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#1001 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 04 May 2009 - 23:21

A little 'headsup' on...

"The Young Racers"

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FRIDAY, MAY 8, 2009
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(1963)

A writer pens an expose on the womanizing racer who stole his finacee. Cast: Mark Damon, William Campbell, Luana Anders. Dir: Roger Corman. C-84 mins, TV-PG, CC, Letterbox Format.

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 06:57

Stole his wot? ...finance?? ...fiancée?? ...finca?? :drunk: :D

Edited by fines, 05 May 2009 - 06:59.


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Posted 05 May 2009 - 07:38

Stole his wot? ...finance?? ...fiancée?? ...finca?? :drunk: :D


Nicked his sponsor, from what I can make of it, Fines.............. :D


#1004 Macca

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 16:57

A little 'headsup' on...

"The Young Racers"

TURNER CLASSIC MOVIES

FRIDAY, MAY 8, 2009
3:00 PM, DST, Young Racers, The
(1963)

A writer pens an expose on the womanizing racer who stole his finacee. Cast: Mark Damon, William Campbell, Luana Anders. Dir: Roger Corman. C-84 mins, TV-PG, CC, Letterbox Format.


Sadly it's not scheduled to be shown in the UK (although apparently it was filmed here).

Paul M


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Posted 08 May 2009 - 10:18

Sadly, unlike Kingsleyrob, we couldn't find an obvious way onto the banking - the officials present said that it was closed - and certainly most of the exits were firmly gated and locked. So, I guess we'll just have to try harder next time. What a place though!


Hard luck Ian, I am beginning to believe that fate dealt me a good hand that day I took the Micra on the banking. :) :)

Pity the restaurant is boarded up, but I suppose it's 43 years ago now and to have the same appearance would be too much to ask. I mean, look what 43 years have done to me :well: .

Funny you mention about the other restaurant being closed on Mondays - on our recent trips to Italy we have found great difficulty in finding places to eat on an ad hoc basis, like you can in the UK. One night we were completely stumped (in a town called Sulmona) and ended up with a take-away pizza back at our rented cottage.

I trust you saw the Duomo in Milan and counted the statues...

Rob :wave:
PS Time for more research Macca, put your foot down!


#1006 Macca

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 12:43

"Whenever I see some terrible research, I put my foot down - HARD - because I know everyone else is lifting theirs from old sources......."

:rotfl:

OK, then.........during what is supposed to be the American GP meeting at Watkins Glen, Sarti has a row with his team manager over something the car was doing in practise, and is still doing; this still shows it was actually at Brands, in the top paddock near the tunnel. Also the car is wearing the number it wears at Brands.

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Although Garner went to the Glen, there was no time to include any footage in the movie due to time constraints before the premiere, so all we see is Jordan and Stoddard splitting the prize-money in a hotel room.

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 14:22

"Whenever I see some terrible research, I put my foot down - HARD - because I know everyone else is lifting theirs from old sources......."

:rotfl:

OK, then.........during what is supposed to be the American GP meeting at Watkins Glen, Sarti has a row with his team manager over something the car was doing in practise, and is still doing; this still shows it was actually at Brands, in the top paddock near the tunnel. Also the car is wearing the number it wears at Brands.

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Although Garner went to the Glen, there was no time to include any footage in the movie due to time constraints before the premiere, so all we see is Jordan and Stoddard splitting the prize-money in a hotel room.

Paul M

Great! We want more Macca. :clap:

Research the film, don't try to stand it on its bloody ear!

Rob :wave:


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Posted 08 May 2009 - 22:28

Did anyone catch the Whicker programme on BBC2 this week? T'was a reminder that Aunti Beeb made good programmes once upon a time...
Anyway, it had a very short sequence from the Monaco filming of GP, complete with Garner getting somewhat irate (to put it mildly).
I'd love to know if the Whicker programme is available on DVD or the like. In fact, I'd probably buy the box set.
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I'm certain the Whicker / Monaco programme is on the extras DVD of Grand Prix


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Posted 11 May 2009 - 11:21

I'm certain the Whicker / Monaco programme is on the extras DVD of Grand Prix

and for fans of Maurice Jarre
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Posted 11 May 2009 - 19:50

"Whenever I see some terrible research, I put my foot down - HARD - because I know everyone else is lifting theirs from old sources......."

:rotfl:

OK, then.........during what is supposed to be the American GP meeting at Watkins Glen, Sarti has a row with his team manager over something the car was doing in practise, and is still doing; this still shows it was actually at Brands, in the top paddock near the tunnel. Also the car is wearing the number it wears at Brands.

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Although Garner went to the Glen, there was no time to include any footage in the movie due to time constraints before the premiere, so all we see is Jordan and Stoddard splitting the prize-money in a hotel room.

Paul M



Yes, I always found it strange that we only saw the scene in the hotel room after the US GP. I really liked the trophy too!



#1011 Gary C

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 20:40

I can't believe it's nearly EIGHT YEARS since I started this thread!! Pity there's not been any progress on the original subject though, all the film has been destroyed.

#1012 Macca

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 19:48

God's teeth - I must get a life.................

We now know MGM don't have any unused footage, but how about the 27 reels of film shot at the Nurburgring that Frankenheimer had to hand over to John Sturges because of his contract with the circuit?

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#1013 Gary Jarlson

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 01:21

Pullman99 asked whether any of the movie cars still existed and, apart from the two photos that were posted, it was surmised that the rest probably ended up in Jim Russell's trash bin. Not so. In 1971, I attended the Jim Russell school at Willow Springs Raceway in California. One day, a mechanic pointed out to me piles of bodywork from movie cars stack up in the rafters of the school's garage. I didn't climb up there to investigate because the whole building exuded a distinct air of impermanence. In fact, you were warned not shut the doors too hard unless you wanted bits of building crashing about your ears. The school was run by the late Chet Kastner who, as I understand it, would rent out his school cars--complete with the movie bodywork installed--to whatever film company was doing a TV movie of the week or an episode of a weekly series that had racing involved in the plot. Perhaps someone could locate Chet's son John and find out what happened to the bodywork.

As to the film itself: as a racing fan from a very early age, I grew up on the usual diet of "The Racers," "The Big Wheel" (Mickey Rooney), a Clark Gable film whose title I don't recall and "The Green Helmet." When I went the premiere of "Grand Prix" at the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, I was all but blown out of my seat by the reality Frankenheimer was able to bring to the screen. As to the plot, it was no better nor worse than what passed for thew run-of-the-mill dramas cranked in those long ago days.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 07:11

a Clark Gable film whose title I don't recall.


In To Please a Lady (1950) Clark Gable stars as Mike Brannon, a thrill-seeking race car driver whose ruthless tactics cause a crash that results in another driver's death. Barbara Stanwyck plays Regina Forbes, an influential newspaper columnist who is determined to get him permanently banned from the professional racing circuit. The pair engages in an explosive battle of wills while fighting off an attraction to each other that threatens to spin out of control.
To make the racing scenes as authentic as possible, director Brown used a good deal of actual professional racing footage. Gable did some of his own driving for close-ups, while a stunt driver took the wheel for the more dangerous shots. For the film's gripping climax at the Indianapolis 500, the cast and crew went on location to the famous Indiana speedway for three weeks. While there cinematographer Hal Rosson used up to six camera crews at a time to capture the action of actual races. The location shooting paid off in the film's nail-biting climax where car speeds averaged 100 miles an hour.


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Posted 15 May 2009 - 21:18

Gable did some of his own driving for close-ups, while a stunt driver took the wheel for the more dangerous shots.


I don't know why they bothered using Gable for the close ups - stunt driver Bud Rose looked more like Clark Gable than Clark Gable did.




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Posted 15 May 2009 - 21:34

God's teeth - I must get a life.................

We now know MGM don't have any unused footage, but how about the 27 reels of film shot at the Nurburgring that Frankenheimer had to hand over to John Sturges because of his contract with the circuit?

Paul M


COuld you tell me more about the Nurburgring affair please?

#1017 Macca

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 20:06

"You've got what you wanted - he's finished with researching."
"Maybe now we'll have some peace in our lives."
"You think so?........."

:|

It's getting difficult to find out more, though it's interesting that some of the 'kiddycar' bodies ended up in the USA. I know Jim Russell used them for publicity purposes for a while, so maybe he sent them out there specially. If any US TNFers know John Kastner and can find out if any still survive.............. :wave:

As to the lost Nurburgring footage, it's mentioned in the Wikipedia entry for Frankenheimer, also here:
http://www.thesandpe...ile_mcqueen.htm

In the book "A French Kiss with Death", it mentions how Sturges' film crew were all en route to the Nurburgring to start shooting when the call came from Jack Warner to can their film 'Day of the Champion'.

Earlier in the thread, we identified a mystery person in a still as 'Mimo' Dei of Scuderia Centro-Sud fame, whose house at Monza was used as Sarti's flat, and I can confirm that when Sarti and Frederickson first arrive there Sarti calls 'Mimo' and it is he who appears and arranges for their bags to be brought in.

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There are still some locations in 'GP' to pin down, but I've just been looking at the Monaco party scene and all the racing people there.

Paul M


Edited by Macca, 08 September 2013 - 14:04.


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Posted 20 May 2009 - 20:14

"You've got what you wanted - he's finished with researching."
"Maybe now we'll have some peace in our lives."
"You think so?........."

:|

It's getting difficult to find out more, though it's interesting that some of the 'kiddycar' bodies ended up in the USA. I know Jim Russell used them for publicity purposes for a while, so maybe he sent them out there specially. If any US TNFers know John Kastner and can find out if any still survive.............. :wave:

As to the lost Nurburgring footage, it's mentioned in the Wikipedia entry for Frankenheimer, also here:
http://www.thesandpe...ile_mcqueen.htm

In the book "A French Kiss with Death", it mentions how Sturges' film crew were all en route to the Nurburgring to start shooting when the call came from Jack Warner to can their film 'Day of the Champion'.

Earlier in the thread, we identified a mystery person in a still as 'Mimo' Dei of Scuderia Centro-Sud fame, whose house at Monza was used as Sarti's flat, and I can confirm that when Sarti and Frederickson first arrive there Sarti calls 'Mimo' and it is he who appears and arranges for their bags to be brought in.
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There are still some locations in 'GP' to pin down, but I've just been looking at the Monaco party scene and all the racing people there.

Paul M


Paul! you really must get out more!! :rolleyes: :wave:

Edited by picblanc, 07 June 2009 - 18:45.


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Posted 07 June 2009 - 18:42

http://www.pitpass.c...es_art_id=38123

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Meanwhile...........

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"OK Chris, we've hitched Sabato on the back - you know what to do!"


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Posted 07 June 2009 - 19:29

Fantastic! :clap: :clap: :clap:

#1021 Macca

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 21:41

There is a rumour that Scott Stoddard is to return to GPs as a team owner with 'ScottF1'; the cars will be built by Riley & Scott, driven by Scott Speed and Scott Dixon (with Susie Stoddard as test driver), team manager will be Richard Scott, all the mechanics will be Scots, and they will be sponsored by a producer of Scotch.....................

:smoking:

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JS: "Tell Nino I've borrowed his bike."
J-PS: "As long as you don't borrow his girl, he won't care."



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#1022 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 23:34

Ah, but no, Paul... I've just caught a bulletin on the beeb that says that the team entry has been scotched.



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Posted 09 June 2009 - 07:20

Ah, but no, Paul... I've just caught a bulletin on the beeb that says that the team entry has been scotched.

:lol: :lol: Scotched as the hoped for backing from the Royal Bank of Scotland has fallen through due to the banking crisis - that's the financial banking crisis, not Jean-Pierre Scoti's Monza banking crisis...

Pass me the Scotch and a tartan rug matron. :|

Macca, are we nearly exhausted on the research front? :(

Do we know anything about whether Bob Turner, Tim Randolph et al had any "acting" lessons? That's something for you to get your researching teeth into. Hope it's not too big a Hill to climb... ;)

Rob :wave:

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 07:24

J-PS: "As long as you don't borrow his girl, he won't care."


He wasn't so impressed though when she told him she would leave him.


#1025 Macca

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Posted 26 June 2009 - 17:03

Macca, are we nearly exhausted on the research front? :(

Do we know anything about whether Bob Turner, Tim Randolph et al had any "acting" lessons? That's something for you to get your researching teeth into. Hope it's not too big a Hill to climb...;)

Rob :wave:


I'm over the Hill, so even if there are more montands to climb................... :|

I don't know about drivers acting, but.....

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"You're gonna need a bigger car, Jim"


Is anyone still interested, even if there is anything more to find out about the film or the locations? There are places seen that other people know, such as the after-race party at Monaco, the museum where Sarti goes with Louise where there are two Maseratis outside, and the house where Sarti has his flat, but I don't know where those were shot.

Paul M

Edited by Macca, 26 June 2009 - 17:04.


#1026 mfd

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 14:52

Macca, are we nearly exhausted on the research front? :( Rob :wave:

Possibly not news, but I just realised there's lots of photos & text about Grand Prix in the book called "The Jim Russell Story" by Norman Greenway (publisher Transport Bookman Publications) ISBN 0-85184-058-2. It was on the remaindered list recently, so you might try Amazon etc. if you don't have it already.

Edited by mfd, 18 July 2009 - 14:52.


#1027 Macca

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 20:25

Earlier in the thread a TNFer posted some b/w contact sheet prints, one of which showed Fangio with Montand - those pictures were seemingly something to do with Jim Russell as a couple were used in the biography. (It'd be great to see all of them......all 6,000 :lol: )

Here it is

And two of the Formula Juniors used in the film are currently for sale, a £47500 and £65000 - must get a lottery ticket tomorrow......
http://www.formulaju...s_for_sale.html

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 08:27

In a shamelessly transparent attempt to get this back on page 1 of the forum, I was scanning through "Grand Prix" looking for a suitable topic for the purpose and I tripped over a legitimate issue. I had actually noticed this a long time ago but with my new found still capture skills (a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing!) I can actually look at it closer.

During the Monaco Grand Prix, when Stoddard passes Sarti ("The old master is usually unbeatable on these twisting Monte Carlo streets."), it's coming out of a left hand bend. There are only three real left hand bends at Monaco and only Massenet (past the Hotel de Paris) fits in with the sequence. It looks a bit like Massenet except that it is too sharp and the road too narrow. But more telling is that it appears to lead into the run down to Mirabeau without making the necessary right bend at Casino.

This capture shows the BRM and Ferrari exiting "Massenet":

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Now they should be entering Casino but it's no where to be seen. In fact the real estate seems to be falling away on the left where Casino Square should be:

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Now they appear to be on the run down to Mirabeau, but notice the car in the background coming out of a left hand turn when he should be coming out of the right hand Casino bend?

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This the actual run down to Mirabeau from in-car. Notice the guardrails that were not in the previous shot? The scenery isn't even close.

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I seem to recall that when watching the Whicker segment on the making of Grand Prix (the "Making of Grand Prix" I wish they had included on the DVD) many, many years ago, it was stated that on a particular day Frankenheimer was unable to use the part of the course he needed and as time was running out he had to make do with some side streets instead of the real thing.

Does anyone else recall this or have more info about where the shots were actually filmed?


In the third picture the cars pass some shops going down to "Mirabeau". One is a drug store, a second a barber shop. Another has a blue sun blind that states Marquise de Sevigne. This is a brand of luxury chololats still existing today with shops in Paris and Montpellier. Possibly they had a shop or a reseller in Monaco. Or in what appears a different French town at the cote d'azur.

Edited by Arjan de Roos, 29 July 2009 - 08:31.


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Posted 05 August 2009 - 13:15

In the third picture the cars pass some shops going down to "Mirabeau". One is a drug store, a second a barber shop. Another has a blue sun blind that states Marquise de Sevigne. This is a brand of luxury chololats still existing today with shops in Paris and Montpellier. Possibly they had a shop or a reseller in Monaco. Or in what appears a different French town at the cote d'azur.


I think it was Monaco but I don't yet know where - I saw the Marquise de Sevigny sign too but there's no outlet shop in Monaco now and no mention of it on their website.

Meanwhile..............Pat Stoddard attempts to boost Scott's chances at Monza by tangling her high heels in the 'Spaghetti' exhaust of a Ferrari:

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Paul M

Edited by Macca, 25 June 2012 - 12:54.


#1030 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 13:42

I think it was Monaco but I don't yet know where - I saw the Marquise de Sevigny sign too but there's no outlet shop in Monaco now and no mention of it on their website.

Meanwhile..............Pat Stoddard attempts to boost Scott's chances at Monza by tangling her high heels in the 'Spaghetti' exhaust of a Ferrari:
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Paul M


Blime, if she only knew how what value that "Ferrari" would reach in later years...
(Spaghetti confuso)

#1031 Macca

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 20:14

Oddly enough, that disguised Brabham doesn't seem to appear in the film's Monza sequences, although it is seen at Monaco, Clermont-Ferrand and Brands.

Another snippet:

The museum with the autographed walls, supposedly in Monaco, was actually Count Johnny Lurani's family home; recent picture:

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and a still where you can see the same drainpipe throughthe arch to the left and the same signature just above the Bugatti's scuttle:

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Link here.

Paul M

Edited by Macca, 06 August 2009 - 20:14.


#1032 Coral

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 20:55

Wow, thanks for posting that Paul...it took me a while to match the two pictures up, but when I did I was surprised to find that the signatures are completely unchanged after all these years. Fascinating! :)

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Posted 17 August 2009 - 18:26

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BB: "So if Pat doesn't come back to me, and you're getting tired of Nino chasing the Yamura girls, how about it?.........."

FH: "I told you, I don't smoke............so unless you give up that filthy weed..........."


Paul M

Edited by Macca, 29 January 2010 - 19:34.


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Posted 17 August 2009 - 18:43

Sorry not adding anything to this thread but is this and Le mans available on region 2 bluray?

If so where can you buy it?

Thanks.

#1035 Macca

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 19:22

It seems there hasn't been a release date scheduled for GP on blu-ray although it is on the list.

Another still:

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BB: "When you get to the villa, don't forget to sign the wall, but if you crash for G*d's sake don't light a cigarette."

Driving lesson for Montand - wonder if he gave Bondurant an acting lesson in return?

And I think I may have the location of Sarti's flat at Monza...............


Paul M

Edited by Macca, 21 August 2009 - 19:25.


#1036 Macca

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Posted 10 September 2009 - 20:07

Quiet here lately.................

In the "You were there" spot in Motor Sport a year or two ago were photos of James Garner with Jack Brabham at Watkins Glen, captioned as 1967, but actually 1966, since JB is in the BT19; so Garner was there:

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Cameraman Johnny Stevens and the GT40 camera car were also there:

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(photos copyright - can't remember whose...)

..........so there was some footage shot and not used.

And I think this is also 1966:

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Paul M




#1037 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:41

Airs this very morning on Turner Classic Movies in barely 1 hour!!!

Listing calls up:

Tuesday, October 13, 06:45, EDT.

I know where I'll be in an hour. :)



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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:55

Thanks for the heads up.
Unf, I'm nowhere near to a station that screens Turner Classic Films.
I did however visit their website and found this recent? interesting interview with John Frankenheimer on the subject.
http://www.tcm.com/v...mp;titleId=1120

#1039 Macca

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 16:06

Earlier I said that the house/flat near Monza where Sarti takes Louise, filled with motor-racing memorabilia and with Michael Turner paintaings of Sarti's two 'WDCs' on the walls, actually belonged to Mimmo Dei of Scuderia Cento-Sud who greets them when they arrive.

Here are a couple of stills:

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From these pictures, you can see that the entrance was on a corner, with a balcony over it and with stonework to the ground floor and brickwork above; also iron gates and shrubs by the wall.

Another TNFer tipped me that Dei's address was Via Rovani, Monza; here is a Bing Maps shot of a house in Via Giuseppe Rovani which has all the salient features:

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So I believe that's another location found..........


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Posted 13 October 2009 - 19:25

Nice work Macca :up: :up:

I'd like to suggest some more locations but maybe they are exhausted. I'll have to watch the film again soon.

Do we have any stories/evidence about the drivers having "acting" lessons?

Rob :wave:

#1041 Macca

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 21:13

The 'Life' magazine article from 1966 about the film is now available on Google books:

http://books.google....M...p;q=&f=true

And the Turner paintings of Roger Stoddard in 1958 and Sarti in 1961 still seem to exist....

http://galleria-marc...ery_guest1.html

:up:

Paul M

#1042 Macca

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 19:28

Also there is currently for sale a shooting script from the film...........for a mere $3,000.00!

http://www.jamespepp.../si/16128E.html

Paul M

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 19:48

Also there is currently for sale a shooting script from the film...........for a mere $3,000.00!

http://www.jamespepp.../si/16128E.html

Paul M


We should all club together and buy it for our own TNF archive! :lol:

The 'Life' magazine article on google is great and I love the old Firestone logo on page 114. Terrific.

Edited by MCS, 16 October 2009 - 20:07.


#1044 Macca

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 19:12

The film has been on TCM in the UK today and is on again tonight at 9.00pm...........if there is anyone who hasn't seen it and wants to!

I e-mailed TCM to ask them to show 'The Young Racers' and 'The Racers' which have been on TCM in the USA but not here - no result of course, they just keep showing the same loop of films every few weeks. :down:

Anyway...........the new book of the late Michael Cooper's photos, 'Races, Faces, Places', has a chapter of shots from GP, and there was an article in Octane last month with some photos from the book. Earlier in this thread it was picked up that the centre-exhaust BRM P261 used in filming was actually a side-exhaust car (Ginther's '64 car in fact) with fake intakes and exhausts - here is a small partial scan of the Octane photo from Clermont-Ferrand which shows this, and also that the Cooper glimpsed in the background at some circuits was a Formula 2 car:

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(note: the Cooper seen in the background on-track at Zandvoort was a real F1 T81 - the F2 was seen at Brands and Monza)

And I'm still working on the sequence at Monaco that wasn't shot before the real Mirabeau.........

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#1045 Macca

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 16:52

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#1046 RS2000

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 16:55

Roger had a rather long career at the top compared to most in the day?

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 19:19

Roger had a rather long career at the top compared to most in the day?


Rather! I have recently watched the film again, and I have to say... it is a much better movie than I remembered. The acting is actually very good, I think even the love-interest stories were very good. The remarkable thing is: the least credibel scenes were the racing scenes... which by many motorsportfans are always lauded as 'the only worthwile parts' of the movie...

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 13:59

Well, I think Roger's flame burned brightly but not long..............it was his younger brother Scott who had the long career, though not as long as Sarti who was 44 in 1966 and seems to have started racing in the early '50s, possibly in one of those little blue cars Barry Boor has made recently.

According to the book of the film, Roger was killed at Watkins Glen, which may be why Scott seemed so subdued after his victory there in the film - maybe there was some reference which ended on the cutting-room floor.

But every time it's on TCM, I hope it'll finally end happily with Sarti pulling into the pits while leading to give two fingers to his wife and Manetta, and then retiring and going off with Louise..............

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 14:20

In which year did Roger die, Macca?

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 15:37

The infamous novelette has 'Jolly Roger' dying in 1961. Perhaps he was trying too hard in an underpowered car to catch the champion-elect:

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