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#1401 Macca

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:49

Ah, Jack Watson.....

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Stoddard: "Never mind how I am, you've aged terribly, Jeff..."

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#1402 jj2728

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 00:09

Ah, Jack Watson.....

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Stoddard: "Never mind how I am, you've aged terribly, Jeff..."

(lobby card, presumably re-touched and coloured)

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You mean Geoff Jordan......

#1403 275 GTB-4

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 06:46

I'm wondering...or maybe dreaming? But has any Cinerama movie ever cut across to an iMax version?

Not saying it would translate well, don't know enough about the technicalititties, but the impact of the huge iMax screen might do the film justice? :confused:

Edited by 275 GTB-4, 10 August 2013 - 06:52.


#1404 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 09:02

You mean Geoff Jordan......

He's called 'Jeff' in the IMDb listing:

http://www.imdb.com/...ts?ref_=tt_ql_1

#1405 B Squared

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 14:14

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Apologies if this photo is a repeat. Macca, I too enjoy this thread and appreciate your efforts.

#1406 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 18:35

Ah, Jack Watson.....

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Stoddard: "Never mind how I am, you've aged terribly, Jeff..."

(lobby card, presumably re-touched and coloured)

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Warning! The following caption is in highly questionable taste!

Look Jeff, I know Aron is boinking my old lady. Do you have to remind me every time I pull into the pits?!!

Warning! The preceding caption was in highly questionable taste!

Anonymously yours,

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#1407 Macca

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 15:53

Prior to the start of the Belgian GP, somebody was leaning over Phil Hill's camera-car..........as they started he was still there:

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I wonder who he was - Jim Russell's biography mentions an assistant to Frankenheimer nicknamed 'beady-eye', maybe it's him?

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#1408 Frank S

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:22

I don't remember if we have seen this (photographer not identified) photo on this thread:

 

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I wonder if anyone has seen the pictures she was allegedly making.

 

Some familiar images in this blog.



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 06:46

It would have been kinda cool if Ron Howard had one of the Gran Prix characters show up in the new movie.  Im sure there was a "composite" character that could have allowed a cross over.  Like James Garner as a team owner or an agent for Honda.  But Im sure that would have so much legal paperwork and what not that it would be nearly impossible.  Regardless, it would have been a nice nod and a fun reference. 

 

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#1410 Macca

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 12:53

Unfortunately James Garner is 87 and retired (although his health apparently isn't too bad apart from bad arthritis), so it would have had to be, say, Brian Bedford as Colin Chapman or Antonio Sabato as Enzo Ferrari..........or maybe Jessica Walter as Hunt's mum!

 

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NF: "I always told you, Sarti, if they get alongside, just shove them off the road.........one day everybody will race like that."

 

One of the last pictures of Farina, I think, as he was killed at about the time of the French GP.

 

I wonder if Francoise has the photos from her little camera at Brands in her personal albums, or if it was just a publicity shot for Minox or whoever?

 

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Edited by Macca, 08 September 2013 - 09:56.


#1411 Macca

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:17

The gentleman leaning over Phil Hill's McLaren camera car at Spa is, I've found, Bill Frick who was in charge of the Panavision cameras - here are some pics:

 

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But who is the gent lying down on the job at Clermont Ferrand - he looks familiar but I can't place him?

 

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:59


But who is the gent lying down on the job at Clermont Ferrand - he looks familiar but I can't place him?

 

 

 

The DP Lionel Lindon maybe?



#1413 Macca

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 19:40

Yes, I'm sure you're right - the anorak with all the racing badges misled me into suspecting it was an ex-driver.

 

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Another one from Monza.

 

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Yves Montand with camera guru John Stevens at Monaco.

 

 

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and Frankenheimer filming the real Jackie Stewart at Monaco.

 

 

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#1414 Macca

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 10:38

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JF: "Can we talk about this storyboard with my Corgi, Dinky and Matchbox cars?"

JB: "Nah, I'm going to have another go at getting that French Sheila to sit on me lap..." (see post #1382)

 

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 17:46

Yes, I'm sure you're right - the anorak with all the racing badges misled me into suspecting it was an ex-driver.

 

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"OK, who ordered the birdcage Maserati Special?"

 



#1416 Macca

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:08

Here's a question - this is camera guru John M. Stevens, before GP, but what is the car (not the E-type in the background), and what would the filming have been for?

 

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and the obligatory shot of FH, at the 'Grand Prix' New York premiere, with Garner sporting a dodgy mo as he was playing Wyatt Earp:

 

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Edited by Macca, 18 September 2013 - 09:10.


#1417 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:05

Here's a question - this is camera guru John M. Stevens, before GP, but what is the car (not the E-type in the background), and what would the filming have been for?

 

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and the obligatory shot of FH, at the 'Grand Prix' New York premiere, with Garner sporting a dodgy mo as he was playing Wyatt Earp:

 

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#1418 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:54

Ben Hur? The Sound of Music? Driving Miss Daisy?

 

Seriously, John M. Stevens is only credited with two movies before Grand Prix: Seconds and Ski Party.



#1419 Macca

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:08

Yes, when The Green Helmet and On the Beach were made he was still a photographer in Sun Valley, and he didn't work on Viva Las Vegas (although stunt driver Carey Loftin did).

 

The original caption says it's preparation for 'Grand Prix', but the car appears to be a mid-engined (if that's the rear wheel with twin radius arms) open-wheeler with a pushrod engine and alloy wheels - any ideas?

 

 

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 14:29

It looks front engined to me, the little bit of exhaust poking through the bodywork appears to be pointing towards the person taking the picture. 



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Posted 19 September 2013 - 19:53

The wheel, wheel nut and tyre tread are all clues. To what I don't know. The narrow tyre looks like a front.
The motor looks like a Chevrolet.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 20:21

The rim looks very much like the ones used on the Scarab single seaters.  Did one of them ever have a Chev V8 fitted?



#1423 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 20:59

Yes, I believe it is the rear engined Scarab F-Libre built in 1961. And the movie is most likely Bruce Kessler's "The Sound of Speed" (1962).



#1424 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 21:14

Picture of it here:

http://forums.autosp...ge-4?hl= scarab

 

Lots of pictures here:

 

http://atspeedimages...b Formula Libre

 

Economically priced poster for sale here:

 

http://www.atthemovi...sters/5385.html

 

Interesting page in Spanish about lance Reventlow and the Scarabs. Has Early pictures of the F-Libre and mentions the movie:

 

http://pilotos-muert...tlow Lance.html

 

 



#1425 Macca

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:08

Yes, I'm sure you are right. The Sound of Speed doesn't have full credits listed anywhere but it all fits.

 

Here's one that has Garner driving the Cobra camera-car when he's supposed to be in the Yamura:

 

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It's a pity about the artistic angle, but the only way I know to correct it is to print it and re-scan/crop the print.

 

 

Paul M



#1426 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 14:27

I'm not 100% sure about the movie as I've never seen it. But the timing, setting and subject seem a close fit.

 

And if it is a movie about Scarabs then the odds are good that they used the F-Libre to film it.

 

"The Sound of Speed" was apparently on YouTube at some point but was removed for copyright reasons. Don't know if it is available anywhere.

 

It's not a 100% certainty about the car either. There are features that match and some that don't. But the car looks so different in the original and current pictures linked above. It must have gone through many iterations.

 

That picture of the banking is truly dizzying. I climbed up the steepest part of the banking in the fall of 1974 and wouldn't have made it without my high-traction Wallabees. Wouldn't have made it all if the banking really was as steep as the picture suggests.

 

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 17:25

Yes, I'm sure you are right. The Sound of Speed doesn't have full credits listed anywhere but it all fits.

 

Here's one that has Garner driving the Cobra camera-car when he's supposed to be in the Yamura:

 

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It's a pity about the artistic angle, but the only way I know to correct it is to print it and re-scan/crop the print.

 

 

Paul M

 

Is this closer?

 

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#1428 Odseybod

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 15:51

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the Cobra come in from one of these sessions with damaged rear bodywork, having thrown a tyre tread on the banking.  The occupants looked rather thoughtful ...



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Posted 23 September 2013 - 16:24

Here's a link to the Speed of Sound. 

 

http://vimeo.com/51577786



#1430 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 15:40

Thanks cs3tcr.

 

Having watched the video, it only shows the 1960 F1 Scarab. I thought that, the way the camera was mounted in the picture above, it was setup to provide a chase view. But there is none shown in the movie. It could have been used for the in-car shots at the end, although the perspective seems more from a nose view than an over-the-engine view. (The engine sound is more like a V8 though.)

 

In any event, you can see some of the inspiration for the camera work in "Grand Prix".

 

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#1431 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 15:52

Just noticed. The guy working on the camera mount is almost certainly the older of the two "mechanics" in the film.

 

Did they ever put a V8 in the F1 Scarab? If so it's possible that the camera was mounted on such a vehicle for the close-up shots of the driver from the front.

 

Bob Mackenzie



#1432 Macca

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 18:32

Thanks, PCC, for the straightened version of the Monza picture. The 'Yamura' in the shot appears to be a Lotus 25 rather than a 20, so it might be Rindt driving it.

 

I'm sure the car in the photo with Stevens is a Scarab - I knew the wheels looked familiar for some reason - and we're looking at the rear wheels since there wouldn't be any steering lock for them to be fronts.

 

'The Sound of Speed' is listed in the IMDB as 1962, so the date would fit with the IC Formula Scarab; maybe the film only has the front-engine car to avoid confusing the filmgoers.  :rolleyes:

 

 

 

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Frankenheimer: "I'm sacking Harriet Anderson so there's a good part for you, Grace."

 

Grace: "I told you, Jaahn, I'm retired from all that now."

 

 

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Edited by Macca, 28 September 2013 - 18:33.


#1433 D-Type

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 19:25

What!  Fifteen posts and no Franรงoise! ): :cry:



#1434 Macca

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 20:17

:wave:

 

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 21:57

:wave:

 

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#1436 Macca

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 20:25

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Garner at Spa.

 

 

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 22:05


With such a large thread I am not sure whether we have had this before, or not, but better twice than not at all. Copyright unknown.
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#1438 Macca

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 20:22

No, we haven't had that one - well done!

 

The question is which version of the Yamura can we see reflected in FH's sunglasses......

 

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 21:06

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'Smile for the camera, Pete'.

 

 

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#1440 Barry Boor

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 15:32

I never thought I would ever have anything to add to this thread in the way of images but it turns out I was wrong.  This picture was taken by a farmer whose land just happens to border the Masta Straight. His name is Jacques Bayard and the photo belongs to him.

 

 

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I tried to insert the actual photo but once again, the new format does not allow it.


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#1441 Glengavel

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 18:35

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'Smile for the camera, Pete'.

 

 

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#1442 Macca

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 20:02

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".............I'll worry about that when I get home"

 

 

 

I think that photo from Spa was posted in the early days of this thread but has long since disappeared - I might have a copy saved somewhere, and another shot at the same time. Behind Rindt in the 'kiddycar' Ferrari, you can see the wheel of a Lotus 33 'Ferrari'.

 

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#1443 Macca

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 20:34

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 11:37

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Here's a better (unobstructed) version of an earlier post; the person on Siffert's right looks a bit like Ligier.

 

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Another from the same set.

 

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A clearer shot of a Brabham-BRM faked up as a Brabham-Repco; presumably this is the Rob Walker car that Siffert used at Monaco which then went to Warner Bros. before MGM got it, and was later painted red during filming at Brands, and white when Amon failed to qualify it at Monza.

 

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This must be a parade in New York at about the time of the US premiere, with Francoise Hardy visible at the top of the float above the real Jack Brabham and his two real F1 cars (and some model girls in overalls on the left)

 

 

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#1445 275 GTB-4

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 21:08

Hard(y) to believe, but this thread just keeps getting better :up:   Great to see Sir Jack on the float with Mlle Hardy (she did sit on his lap at least once....) :stoned:


Edited by 275 GTB-4, 09 December 2013 - 21:13.


#1446 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:33

'Grand Prix' is scheduled to be broadcast on Turner Classic Movies at 4:45pm today(Saturday, December 14th).  It will be preceeded by the 'behind the scenes' featurette at 4:30pm.



#1447 Macca

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:25

It was only on in the US, it hasn't been on for a couple of years in the UK.

 

Here is a clean version of the New York premiere shot:

 

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and yet another of FH:

 

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A tenuous link, but Peter O'Toole passed away a couple of days ago - one of his films I remember fondly was "What's New, Pu$$ycat?" from 1965 which was also the first screen appearance of............Francoise Hardy. Even more tenuously it featured a go-kart race, and O'Toole's character drove a 1936-7 Singer 9 Le Mans. RIP Laurence of Arabia. 

 

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:57

I just had a quick Google and it that Jack Brabham and Francoise Hardy appeared at the 1966 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. (obviously what the photo is about!)
It was televised but I haven't found it yet.



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Posted 21 December 2013 - 18:42

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#1450 Macca

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 17:43

If you thought the onboard camera rig in shots from Monza was a bit agricultural, here are a couple of the pedalo with Sabato and Hardy at the Gour de Tazanet lake, found in an old (Italian?) magazine:

 

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