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#1451 Macca

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 21:09

Aha...and property is theft....

 

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#1452 Cappo

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 22:35

The second picture, besides the three well-known drivers, is the man sitting on the tyre the French actor Jean Claude Brialy?


The movies director, john frankenheimer, I think

#1453 TANAO73

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 11:28

I remember seeing the various takes of this scene in the Alan Whicker documentary on TV years ago.

They did it in three sections; first, the cars apparently touching and spinning at the entry to the chicane, which was filmed with the Lotus 20/22 fakes driven by American stunt drivers (the close-up of the wheels touching could have been shot anywhere anytime). They had several takes before it looked genuine, and not like cars deliberately swerving into the barriers.

Then they brought on the secret weapon, a compressed-gas cannon nicknamed 'Big Blow', which could be attached to a fitting on the rear of the gearbox (or where the gearbox would be, since I think they tended to remove engines and gearboxes where possible). First they fired the Stoddart car towards the cliff face, having several goes at it until they had a take where it slid along the cliff without turning over (and I think they filmed the landing with a stuntman in the car by just dropping it manually off some strawbales).

By this time they were getting short of bodywork. Finally they fired a car into the harbour, which I think they got with one take (would have been a bit time-consuming to have to keep craning it out of the harbour!). If you see a still or slo-mo this bit in the film, you can see that the body on this car has a white noseband when it goes into the harbour, and it doesn't appear to have an engine.

'Big Blow' was also used to shoot the 'Sarti Ferrari' over the banking at Monza in the climactic race, though the picture on this page looks as if it hit the barrier backwards, which is strange since there is no sign that Big Blow was attached to the front for this shot.

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#1454 Barry Boor

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 16:46

No, not a white nose band. That is an advertising banner that has been caught up on the nose of the car.....                 I think!



#1455 Barry Boor

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 12:46

Even model manufacturer Spark are getting in on the 'Grand Prix' act.

 

They have just announced two new 43rd scale models to be on the market soon; a Bob Bondurant B.R.M from the Belgian Grand Prix 1966 in Pete Aron-Yamura colours; and a Mike Spence Lotus from the British Grand Prix in Sarti-Ferrari livery.



#1456 Alan Cox

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 13:11

They have just announced two new 43rd scale models to be on the market soon; a Bob Bondurant B.R.M from the Belgian Grand Prix 1966 in Pete Aron-Yamura colours; and a Mike Spence Lotus from the British Grand Prix in Sarti-Ferrari livery.

http://www.sparkmode...2543/index.html

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#1457 D-Type

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 22:53

When is someone going to get around to modelling Jack Brabham's car from 1966?  It must have appeared in the background of some shots even if Jack wasn't on the payroll.



#1458 jj2728

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 16:58

When is someone going to get around to modelling Jack Brabham's car from 1966?  It must have appeared in the background of some shots even if Jack wasn't on the payroll.


SPARK model makes both Brabham's and Hulme's cars from 1966 in 1/43. I have both, very nice indeed.

#1459 Lemnpiper

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 18:52

  Hi all .,

 

 

     If this question was answered earlier  in this  thread I apologize.

 

   

   According to Wikipedia  Grand Prix    had the 9th highest box office in 1966  with a take of   $20,845,016  .

 

     I don't know if this is just USA  Box office or worldwide at the time but it provides a base for comparison.

 

 

    There is a site called Box Office Mojo   that tracks current box office receipts of movies but it doesn't seem to go back to movies prior to 1981.

   

  Rush's box office is being tracked there now , but if it's still in release  it's final numbers haven't been totaled up.

 

 

  quick edit  : as of 2/1/2014  Rush's total is $26,947,624 .  In the USA box office

 

   90 million in worldwide box office


Edited by Lemnpiper, 02 February 2014 - 16:15.


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#1460 Macca

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 16:43



Even model manufacturer Spark are getting in on the 'Grand Prix' act.

 

They have just announced two new 43rd scale models to be on the market soon; a Bob Bondurant B.R.M from the Belgian Grand Prix 1966 in Pete Aron-Yamura colours; and a Mike Spence Lotus from the British Grand Prix in Sarti-Ferrari livery.

Here is the Spark P261:

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and here is my 1/55 Matchbox version from some years ago:

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Here is the British GP Spence 'Sarti' Lotus, complete with dummy mesh box over air intake:

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And of course they had previously modelled Spence's Dutch GP 'Aron' Lotus:

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And here is Sir Jack with his left hand who-knows-where:

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#1461 Barry Boor

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 17:04

I can see his left hand, but where is his right!



#1462 Tim Murray

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 17:22

We do indeed need to get to the bottom of this.



#1463 Snakedriver

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 20:11

Im sure he got to the bottom of it, since it seems well handled.

 

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#1464 Macca

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 15:19

Can't tell my left from my right............his left hand is obviously on his helmet..........and he has a cheeky smile.

 

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Probably Monaco.

 

 

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 23:49

Just before he put in the harbour perhaps, it looks like it could use a bit of a rinse. In other news, I have ordered the blu-ray version of Grand Prix and Le Mans as well as Winning and 1 the film. I know what I will be doing in my spare time next week.



#1466 Keir

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 13:28

Helmet colors are backwards. Aron = red to blue left to right. Amon = blue to red left to right



#1467 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 17:20

I don't know if this is old news, but I just recently read that John Surtees successfully sued MGM over this movie - he didn't like the way his relationship with Enzo Ferrari was "portrayed" in the (semi-?)fictional persona Jean-Paul Sarti. The outcome was a payment of an undisclosed sum, the year 1969 or '70.



#1468 Barry Boor

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 18:48

Oh well, I guess it helped to pay Peter Connew's wages!   :D



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 16:41

Fascinating thread - I found it because I was researching Francoise Hardy and her part in the Grand Prix film.

 

Saw it in 1967 in London - perhaps the reason no outakes were kept is simply that the Cinerama films used 3 cameras to shoot the action  to get the full widescreen and the film wasn't suitable (in those days) for anything other than Cinerama production.

 

Anyway - my researches have led to a bit more info on a small part of the filming of GP and since it involves the gorgeous Mlle Hardy I thought I would register here and share it. :D

 

First, these pictures show Francoise balanced on the rear suspension of one of the fake Ferraris

 

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The place names on the signpost helped me track down the likely spot to Royat and some searching via Google Earth resulted in finding the wall - well what little now remains of it! The junction has been completely remodelled and a new Thermal spa built there!

 

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Then I came across this pic on this thread with a reference to Clermont Ferrand and thought - Hey that's my wall in the background!

 

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And when I checked the GP film itself for the sequence, guess what - that Cortina on the right is there!

 

 

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All that ties in with these other two pictures of Francoise  and the car on the garage forecourt -

 

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Finally - the whole clip from the film - not sure WHY they had Francoise on the back of the car - did I miss something or did the rest of that storyline get left on the cutting room floor?? ......

 

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#1470 Macca

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 16:48

See post # 958.........

 

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#1471 equus

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 16:54

Yes - I saw that - just thought I'd tie together the other pics as well :D



#1472 AJB

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:15

Helmet colors are backwards. Aron = red to blue left to right. Amon = blue to red left to right

Indeed. That's the only photo I've seen with James Garner wearing an "Amon" helmet. All the others in the movie are a mirror image..



#1473 Macca

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 13:08

I posted that photo as I found it, but I'm fairly sure it's been reversed - there was a picture a couple of pages ago where the blue gaffer tape was visible on the left side, and the exhaust (the real one) visible should be on the left side.

 

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#1474 mfd

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 13:40

Can you see a gear lever in the cockpit or is the car behind really a right hooker?



#1475 Macca

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 17:35

See posts 1427 and 1284 - the Cobra is really LHD and the picture IS reversed.

 

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 20:29

See posts 1427 and 1284 - the Cobra is really LHD and the picture IS reversed.

 

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It certainly looks like a reversed Goodyear logo on the rear tyre.



#1477 Keir

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:06

Good catch on the reversed pic



#1478 Macca

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 13:22

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As Barry spotted, the 'BRM' that goes into Monaco harbour got an advertising banner wrapped round its nose, but did have the correct orange band - this is a grab from the trailer.

 

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and here is the earlier shot corrected - please also see post # 1284 by Bill P.

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 19:18

Hello new to the forum here. Does anyone know who the photographer was for this shot?

 

 

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Garner at Spa.

 

 

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 19:07

Here are screenshots of the front of the Stoddard house when Scott arrives to recuperate, and the side when he comes out to try the Lotus 16 which is then push-started round the corner:



 

 

I can add some trivia about this scene. The extras (man in cap and woman in blue dress) were the estate gardener and his wife. I have no idea what they were paid (if anything) but did learn earlier this week that the woman is a previously unknown aunt.

 

Thank you Macca for working out the locations of scenes in the film. As for the differing views as to the film's merits I saw it aged 11 in New Zealand and it was the first time I saw places like Spa, Brands Hatch, Monza and Monaco brought to life. I left the cinema determined that I was going to visit all of these places.



#1481 Macca

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:23

Thanks for that info, Opplock - it all adds to the background.

 

A couple more photos, of Garner in a Lotus 33 'Yamura' and Phil Hill in the McLaren M3:

 

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:02

This Sunday, July 20th, BBC don't have the rights to broadcast the German GP live; they are showing highlights from Hockenheim on BBC2 at 7.00pm.  Before that, starting at 4.15pm, is Grand Prix!  



#1483 ReWind

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 07:34

James Garner has died yesterday (Saturday, July 19, 2014) in Los Angeles.

R.I.P.



#1484 Barry Boor

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 08:13

Very sad news.

#1485 Rob29

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 08:18

RIP James-I guess my favouite actor.Sad to see this news here first-I guess media dominated by bad news elsewere?



#1486 Macca

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 09:21

It's not showing on news sites yet, but posts on f/book seem to confirm it.

 

Very sad news - a good man, a good actor, and a damn good driver. Deepest sympathy to his family - here he is with his daughter at Brands Hatch:

 

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RIP, Pete.

 

 

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#1487 Lola5000

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 09:33

Such a cool guy,always followed him from when I 1st went to the movies a watched Grand Prix.

 

RIP Jim Rockford.



#1488 Coral

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 09:55

I'm really sad to hear of the passing of James Garner. I am a massive fan of "Grand Prix"...it is one of my all-time favourite films, and would you believe it is being shown on the BBC today. What a coincidence is that?!

 

James was born on 7th April 1928...the same day as my late father, who was also a huge fan of his.

 

RIP James Garner/Pete Aron. Never forgotten! :cry:



#1489 kapow

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:11

Grand Prix is on BBC 2 this afternoon.

#1490 jj2728

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:16

RIP Pete.....a sad day.



#1491 E.B.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:40

I'm really sad to hear of the passing of James Garner. I am a massive fan of "Grand Prix"...it is one of my all-time favourite films, and would you believe it is being shown on the BBC today. What a coincidence is that?!


Late last year Ronnie Biggs died on the same day that the BBC showed a drama about the Great Train Robbery.

Does anybody know if the BBC have any plans to make a programme about Simon Cowell?

#1492 BRG

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 20:26

Late last year Ronnie Biggs died on the same day that the BBC showed a drama about the Great Train Robbery.

Does anybody know if the BBC have any plans to make a programme about Simon Cowell?

No, but I am hoping that they are working on a biog of Bernie Ecclestone.



#1493 JacnGille

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:19

:cry:



#1494 Barry Boor

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 09:51

I think it's worth mentioning that our very own Kingsley Rob will be broadcasting a James Garner tribute feature on his Radio Warrington oldies show tonight at 6 p.m.  You can listen live, on line, at http://radiowarrington.co.uk/



#1495 Macca

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 15:50

http://primotipo.com...ry/obscurities/

 

That page has an article about Buzz Buzaglo, with a clean copy of the picture at Monza with Garner and Bondurant, and a couple of other pics not seen before.

 

I caught the last part of GP on TV on Sunday, and as always noticed a couple of things I hadn't spotted before.

 

But mainly just remembering JG and what a top bloke all the obits confirmed him to be.

 

 

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 16:18

Thanks for the plug Barry, just been doing a spot of prep, and as usual the Grand Prix theme made the hairs on my end stand up.  The power of music eh? And memories.

 

RIP James/Pete, I never tire of seeing you win the world championship, and am privileged to have followed your tyre tracks around the Monza banking, albeit in a Nissan Micra cabrio.

 

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 19:36

So, after just on 13 years after I started this thread,  through a couple of ex-BBC colleagues, I am now in touch with the Second Assistant Director who worked on the film for over a year. Methinks this may be an interesting conversation...........



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 21:52

Tim Parnell and Norman Dewis pictured at the British GP recently, and Tim in "Grand Prix".....
 
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Posted 28 July 2014 - 15:19

Wow just discovered this thread. I will definitely have to unfind it or I will be spending hours on it. I saw the film when it came out in Cinerama, then several times in regular theatrical re-release, then owned VHS and DVD. 

 

Anyway, going back to July 2013 - @Macca:

 

but I am puzzled as to how they shot the Monaco in-car piece where he pulls down his face-mask to swear at Aron.

 

I've always figured that they did that with the old car-on-a-trailer technique. Such a crucial shot would have justified the time to do it. And it does look like that - the car is so stable against the background, and the actual speed doesn't seem that fast.

 

 

James Garner RIP


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#1500 Macca

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 12:18



So, after just on 13 years after I started this thread,  through a couple of ex-BBC colleagues, I am now in touch with the Second Assistant Director who worked on the film for over a year. Methinks this may be an interesting conversation...........

 

I hope you have a long list of questions.........I have some.

 

Tim Parnell would be a good person to ask about GP as well; he was in the drinks party scene with Fangio, etc. as well as at Clermont Ferrand. Also Buzz Buzaglo who is on FB.

 

And then this young man was an "additional cameraman" before he had a beard and had stars and wars in his thoughts: 

 

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Paul M