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#1551 Macca

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 08:15

Frankenheimer was very thorough; where the cars used in takes were his Lotus 33s, BRM P261 and McLaren M3 he kept their sound, but the Formula Junior 'kiddy cars' were overdubbed. I believe Phil Hill actually created sound-track for some in-car shots in post-production by driving the McLaren in a way to match the gearchanges of the footage. 

 

FH again:

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I believe this is at one of the premieres of the film, maybe the European one.

 

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#1552 Giraffe

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 09:56

This colour slide was recently purchased on ebay by Andrew Komosa........

 

 

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...and captioned as below. Seems rather odd to have a display of sports cars, and a "World Premier" in Birmingham?!?!

 

 

 

Build-up for the 1967 World Premier for the film Grand Prix in Birmingham showing the latest Ford GT40 from Sid Taylor Racing and the Tyrrell Racing Organisation transporters delivering their individual race cars for the display



#1553 Rob29

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 17:02

This colour slide was recently purchased on ebay by Andrew Komosa........

 

 

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...and captioned as below. Seems rather odd to have a display of sports cars, and a "World Premier" in Birmingham?!?!

 

 

 

Build-up for the 1967 World Premier for the film Grand Prix in Birmingham showing the latest Ford GT40 from Sid Taylor Racing and the Tyrrell Racing Organisation transporters delivering their individual race cars for the display

This one has me baffled-do you mean Birmingham,Alabama? I went to the UK premiere of 'Grand Prix' in Soho,London in march 1967.Tyrell F1 team did not start untill 1968..



#1554 bill p

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 18:06

.......Tyrell F1 team did not start untill 1968..

What team name were the Tyrrell Formula 2 Matras entered under?

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Edited by bill p, 14 April 2015 - 18:06.


#1555 MCS

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 19:10

Tyrrell Racing Organisation



#1556 Gary C

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 19:30

basically, I think the Ebay seller has made up the 'World Premier' description to try and hype the sale of the slide. (and yes, I nearly bid on that slide, too)


Edited by Gary C, 14 April 2015 - 19:31.


#1557 Glengavel

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 07:39

Somebody must be able to identify who, where and when, surely? Is that Jochen Rindt on the right?



#1558 Gary C

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 07:41

I think they're all just punters.

#1559 Rob29

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 08:14

Does anyone remember a display of sports racers & F2 cars in Birmingham ,England in this period? Around 20 years before the Super Prix was created :clap: Apears to be a '62 BRM behind the Tyrell transporter.Don't think this photo has any relevence to thread subject.



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#1560 Vitesse2

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 08:32

Somebody must be able to identify who, where and when, surely? Is that Jochen Rindt on the right?

I thought that too - at first. But it's not.

I think they're all just punters.

Indeed. I can see Mr Bean, though. Behind the Tyrrell transporter.



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Posted 18 April 2015 - 13:04

On Sunday April19 - BBC 4 at 20:10.....it's on again!!

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#1562 Kingsleyrob

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 19:55

I'm eleven years old again. Feels great.

I have the DVD so can watch any time of the day or night, but there's something about a television appearance that's irresistible.

Those overhead Monaco shots are glorious.

It's times like this I feel privileged to have driven the Monza banking! Have I mentioned that before? ;-)

Rob

Edited by Kingsleyrob, 19 April 2015 - 19:55.


#1563 Glengavel

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 19:58

On Sunday April19 - BBC 4 at 20:10.....it's on again!!

Mike

 

DAMMIT! Missed it again. Now in grumpy mode...



#1564 Kingsleyrob

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 20:02

Still a couple of hours or so left - tune in now Glengavel!

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#1565 Glengavel

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 21:53

Just turned over and saw Eve-Marie Saint's hysterical overacting "Is this what you want...is this what you want!". Still grumpy!



#1566 Paul Parker

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 12:27

Just turned over and saw Eve-Marie Saint's hysterical overacting "Is this what you want...is this what you want!". Still grumpy!

 

 

Have you ever seen someone in such a real life circumstance, try viewing the distraught wives, husbands, friends faced with the dead body of a loved one on the TV news.

 

However it was obvious that some of the crowd in situ were surprised and unsure as to how they should react.

 

Hard to believe that Eva Saint Marie will be 91 on 4 July this year.

 

I also spotted Mike Cooper in the Monza footage photographing Yves Montand if I recall correctly.



#1567 john winfield

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Posted 21 April 2015 - 08:12


It's times like this I feel privileged to have driven the Monza banking! Have I mentioned that before? ;-)

Rob

Rob, no, I'm sure you haven't! (Anyway, it's one of the delights of us all growing old...we can't remember anyway!).  Please tell.  Were you in a front engined works Dino or a Sharknose? 



#1568 Macca

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 20:03

Or even a Yamura?

 

I flicked over a couple of times during ads on another channel, it looks good in HD. As usual, I noticed something new - in one shot where Sarti is driving into or out of the pits it was Phil Hill's face under the helmet.

 

To return to the photo of the GT40; Sid Taylor owned c/n P1001 in early 1967 and it carried no. 28 at the Silverstone International on 29th April 1967, where John Fitzpatrick drove Ferrari 250LM c/n 5897a with no. 24.

 

So maybe those 2 cars WERE used for publicity for the film just before or after that meeting, when it went on general release round the UK, with the BRM P578 and something from Tyrrell added.

 

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Gloomy-looking Ferrari team at Monaco, is that Bernard Cahier on the left? Maybe there was an out-take of an interview where some awkward question was asked........

 

 Paul M


Edited by Macca, 23 April 2015 - 09:14.


#1569 Macca

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 10:45

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Another premiere, another pic of FH; with 'Bob Turner' this time.

 

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 11:53

Looks like she's got wellies on, Macca.



#1571 Michael Ferner

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 16:30

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Another premiere, another pic of FH; with 'Bob Turner' this time.
 
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Looks like "GH" to me.

(Or, maybe GNH)

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 19:48

The gent behind FH's left shoulder looks familiar, anyone able to put a name to the face ?



#1573 Macca

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 16:15



Looks like she's got wellies on, Macca.

Perhaps she'd just got back from Spa..........

 

Yes, NGH as DCN refers to him - and both those blokes in the background look vaguely familiar.

 

Going back to the GT40 picture; beyond the BRM P578 with no.3 on it can be seen the distinctive cockpit surround of a dark-blue Matra F2, and beside it an unknown red car.

 

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Here's a cinema lobby card I hadn't seen before - funny thing is, it gives away secrets because the GT40 camera car is visible as is the bulge over the real intakes on the fake Ferrari.

 

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 23:11

And for Australian viewers, it screens again today Saturday at 4.00pm on the Nine Networks Gem channel. I'll watch again.

Edited by wagons46, 01 May 2015 - 23:16.


#1575 ed holly

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 10:12

I did too .... and its in the programme to be repeated later this evening. Watched it even though have it on DVD.

 

Now ...

 

Did anyone attend the Sydney premiere of the movie, and if so do you remember if there was a car and driver in the foyer ?  

 

Apologies if this has been covered before.


Edited by ed holly, 02 May 2015 - 10:12.


#1576 275 GTB-4

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 23:29

Historic news feeds or motoring mags of the time may talk about the premiere Ed...all I remember about Cinerama was that it was a BIG deal...and there was a great buzz in Sydney (I saw it twice)

I started to watch it for old times sake, but then realised it was so peppered with ads that it would run for 3 1/2 hrs...and I too have the DVD. Watched it till FH rode out on the back of the car :love:, then lost interest due to the constant interruptions :blush:

 

Odd Spot: when Scott Stoddart ends up in hospital, the name of the hospital (I imagine) is embroidered on the pillow slip with 1984 between two words...I immediately thought "continuity error", but quickly came to my senses...must be an address?



#1577 Ian G

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Posted 03 May 2015 - 00:06

I think that 8 is a 6 Mick,next time someone has the DVD out can confirm.Enjoyed the Movie again,haven't seen it since the DVD was released nearly 20 years ago.



#1578 275 GTB-4

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Posted 03 May 2015 - 09:47

I think that 8 is a 6 Mick,next time someone has the DVD out can confirm.Enjoyed the Movie again,haven't seen it since the DVD was released nearly 20 years ago.

Just rolled film..." do 1984 Hopitaux Co" it looked like...the 8 might be a stylised 6 (which would make sense), but maybe not...unless you know for sure Ray, I suggest we wait for the brains trust to comment.
 
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OK...looks like "Cote D'Azur 1964 Hopitaux Com?"

Exposition Une:

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Exposition Deux:

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[I suppose I should do a search of this massive thread to see if the location of said Hopitaux has been identified]


Edited by 275 GTB-4, 04 May 2015 - 06:42.


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Posted 08 June 2015 - 12:19

Gary... It MAY just show up here. http://www.oscars.or...ents/grand-prix

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#1580 Macca

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Posted 09 June 2015 - 13:56

Such short notice! And so far away..........pity, as I'd love to talk to Eva Marie Saint about her memories of the film.

 

The hospital in (supposedly) Monaco has never been found; I tried to find it but failed from following clues as I'd done to find Royat.

 

Meanwhile..............here is the website of a dedicated Japanese modeller who has made a model of a Lotus 33 as modified as a Yamura for the film. Now I'm not impugning his research sources, but he appears to have included a dashboard chassis number tag on the lines of the spoof version I posted here many moons ago:

 

http://unmassed18.rs...249/all_p7.html

 

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Another of FH, with the Parnell transporter behind.

 

Paul M



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Posted 10 June 2015 - 10:07

Nikon F with plain prism wearing an early Nikkor 105mm f/2.5 and dedicated lenshood, I think (just for the sake of completeness).



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Posted 10 June 2015 - 10:46

Nikon F with plain prism wearing an early Nikkor 105mm f/2.5 and dedicated lenshood, I think (just for the sake of completeness).


To me, the picture taking device that FH might be holding is completely and utterly inconsequential and invisible! :well:



#1583 Macca

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Posted 11 June 2015 - 16:39

....and presumably also the type and location of the car in which she was seated here:

 

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Paul M



#1584 275 GTB-4

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Posted 11 June 2015 - 23:03

By George! I think she's got it! :love:



#1585 Odseybod

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Posted 12 June 2015 - 10:39

Let's hope it's not contagious :)



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Posted 12 June 2015 - 13:23

....and presumably also the type and location of the car in which she was seated here:

 

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Paul M

As wondefully distracting as she is, I would actually be quite interested to know. That bank of intakes looks suspiciously like something Valerie Singleton might have concocted. So probably not a genuine F1 car, and - based on FH's demeanour - probably not a cool grey day at Brands Hatch.



#1587 275 GTB-4

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Posted 12 June 2015 - 23:40

FH singing with stiff hair...(kind of ironic when you think of all the stiffies she created in her heyday ;-)


Edited by 275 GTB-4, 12 June 2015 - 23:41.


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Posted 13 June 2015 - 00:24

Soon combs out 275GTB-4 :up:

 

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ST :wave:



#1589 Macca

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 09:36

The photo in post 1583 is at Clermont Ferrand and FH is in one of the fake Ferraris concocted by Jim Russell on a Lotus 20/22, as seen here at a staged start at Spa which didn't appear in the film:

 

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Meanwhile below is a photo without FH, I'm afraid; Garner and Montand at Monaco. The Yamuras had no green stripe at this event (although the real McLaren did) which may be why they are never actually seen on track (only Tim Randolph in a cockpit close-up) despite some scenes being filmed around them.

 

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Paul M


Edited by Macca, 19 June 2015 - 09:38.


#1590 Macca

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 21:21

Very sad to say that the brilliant camera guru John M. Stevens passed away on June 15th.

 

He invented camera mounts and methods of shooting that were far in advance of anything else in 1966, and hung out of the helicopter to shoot many scenes.

 

His skills were such that MGM made a short film about his work, particularly 'Grand Prix' and 'Ice Station Zebra', entitled "the Man Who Makes a Difference".

 

Only a year or two ago he appeared at a special event in connection with Grand Prix along with Bob Bondurant, Eva Marie Saint and Evans Evans (Mrs John Frankenheimer).

 

RIP and thank you.

 

 

Paul M


Edited by Macca, 26 June 2015 - 21:23.


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 12:46

A week or so ago I launched my website and thought you might be interested in this interview I conducted with Chris Amon about his involvement in the making of Grand Prix. Originally it was for a book on the history of racing films I was working on, but having spent ages shopping the idea around to no avail I filed away my notes and moved on to other things. Anyway, it seemed like a good time to share it, so enjoy...

 

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Edited by ddmichael, 07 August 2015 - 12:47.


#1592 nexfast

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Posted 07 August 2015 - 22:28

A week or so ago I launched my website and thought you might be interested in this interview I conducted with Chris Amon about his involvement in the making of Grand Prix. Originally it was for a book on the history of racing films I was working on, but having spent ages shopping the idea around to no avail I filed away my notes and moved on to other things. Anyway, it seemed like a good time to share it, so enjoy...

 

DM

 

Nice piece also on the b movies - I had forgotten I had seen Formula Uno, Nell'Inferno dell Grand Prix when I was a teen but your description somehow woke up some corner in the back of my mind. My memories are of low-quality racing images - as you say with a lot of non F1 mixed - and an extremely poor script. And pity Graham Hill, he was decidedly not made for acting in movies.