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#201 D-Type

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Posted 23 June 2004 - 16:57

Originally posted by BorderReiver
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She's spanking gorgeous!

But old enough to be your mother, B-R!

BTW how's the scuba diving going?

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#202 Macca

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 14:57

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pictures from Eagle comic, 1st October 1966.

 

 

 

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from Eagle Annual for 1968.
 


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#203 Macca

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 15:13

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more pictures from the Eagle Annual.

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#204 Gary C

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 02:49

..and just to bring this thread RIGHT back to the start, I have been informed that there is nothing of the out-takes from the movie left, everything has been thrown away. What with Mr.Frankenheimers' passing, I think we can probably draw a line under this one. :(

#205 Breadmaster

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 09:40

What a waste!

#206 eldougo

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 10:15

Originally posted by Twin Window
I could see the magazine cover ok!

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From my collection of Motor books.Still remember the day i went to see this MOVIE in the city Loved it. :cool:

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#207 Macca

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 12:17

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Big Lou: "Join BRM, my boy, and we will make you World Champion"

Pete Aron: "Nah, I'm more likely to end up in the harbour or out on my a$$"


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#208 Macca

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 13:12

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and here is the picture that DCN posted in the 'Chrissypics' quiz of Phil Hill driving the Lotus 25 camera car in practise - copyright Grand Prix Library.


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#209 Macca

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 17:30

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Another pic which appears to be at Spa, from the building in the background.

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#210 Macca

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Posted 15 February 2005 - 16:13

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Fakes lined up at Monaco - from the MGM cinema programme.

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#211 Macca

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 14:38

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A nervous-looking Sarti goes to the grid at Brands Hatch

(from the MGM cinema programme - thanks to ImageSahck)

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#212 Ivan

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 16:37

macca,
Where on earth are you getting all these great pics from the movie?

#213 Macca

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 17:12

Ivan,

Some are from the actual movie programme from 1967, which I scanned; some are from the article that appeared in 'Sports Car Illustrated' some years ago; some are from the boys' comic Eagle and the annual book from the same people; and some from a 1967 book called 'International Motor Racing' IIRC.

All these are (hopefully) old enough not to be a copyright issue, but I've looked for and credited wherever possible; there are photos on other peoples' sites and in the book 'The Jim Russell Story' which are obviously copyright so I haven't used them.

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#214 Ivan

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 15:43

Paul,
Most of these shots I have never seen before. All of them are very cool.

#215 Keir

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 15:51

.....not to be a "sourpuss", but some of the owners of said pics should be glad for the "FREE" exposure they get here at TNF!!

GRAND PRIX LIVES!!

#216 Macca

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 13:17

The latest issue of 'Octane' has an article about Trevor Taylor, Lotus no. 2 in 1962-63, illustrated by photos credited to Trevor himself.

Among them are some of the aftermath of his crash in paractise at Spa in 1963 in Lotus 25/R5, when his rear suspension came loose in the middle of Stavelot (either due to a loose nut, or a stubby screwdriver temporarily stuck in a bolthole and forgotten) - and the crash is identical to Sarti's at the same place a year later!

:p

Tyremarks on the road, a bent car embedded in strawbales, and a view showing a lump knocked out of the corner of the disused timber timing hut.

What with Aron emulating Paul Hawkins' dive into the Monaco harbour, and the unfortunate Sarti's fatal crash being rather like that of Behra, there seem to have been quite a few coincidences in 1966.....

I'm looking into Barlini's motorcycle career now.................


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#217 Macca

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 16:47

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marshall 1: 'Sacre bleu, we 'ave only just mended zis hut after Monsieur Taylor crashed through eet.'

marshall 2: 'Zat is a nasty wound on your leg.'

Sarti: 'Eef I hadn't been thinking about Louise Frederickson at ze time, it would 'ave been much worse.'

;)


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#218 Keir

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 17:06

That is some shot!! Lucky ain't the word!

Louise, I 'ave some good news and some bad news!!

#219 Macca

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Posted 04 March 2005 - 13:23

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Tim Randolph gives Pete Aron advice on motivation at Monaco - Frankenheimer hopes the duct tape is strong enough.

(photo MGM, thanks ImageShack)


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#220 Macca

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Posted 04 March 2005 - 13:28

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Frankenheimer: "I haven't yet decided who is going to die here at Monza"

Montand: "It had better be me, I die in most of my films"

Sainte: "Just as long as I don't have to hang off any rock-faces"

Montand: "Which banking will I crash over?"

Frankenheimer: "The north-by-northwest one."

Sainte: "Aaagghhh!!!"


:cool:


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#221 Macca

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Posted 04 March 2005 - 15:31

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Sarti's car is indeed the one that crashes.

Montand: "Whoever was doubling me was too thin"

True!


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#222 Macca

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Posted 07 March 2005 - 10:58

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"So let's get this straight, Frankenheimer - you reckon Tony Rudd says this is our new data monitoring system?"


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#223 Macca

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Posted 08 March 2005 - 11:02

http://home.clara.ne...es/photos15.htm

A link to a photo of the 'Ferraris' at Monaco - interesting thing is that Sarti's car is #17 with only two exhausts, like Bandini's real 158/246 Dino. I'll have to watch it yet again now, to see whether it appears in the fillum.


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#224 Ivan

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Posted 08 March 2005 - 17:04

Macca
Those shots from the site you listed are great, all very clear.
You should have started a thread for all your photos. Going to this thread and the other Grand Prix one is hard on my mouse!!! :lol:

#225 Breadmaster

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Posted 08 March 2005 - 17:10

I concur - Macca those are fantastic shots!

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Posted 08 March 2005 - 17:12

Originally posted by Macca
http://home.clara.ne...es/photos15.htm

A link to a photo of the 'Ferraris' at Monaco - interesting thing is that Sarti's car is #17 with only two exhausts, like Bandini's real 158/246 Dino. I'll have to watch it yet again now, to see whether it appears in the fillum.


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Paul

Whose pictures are these - as per the url above ?

They are absolutely fantastic :up:

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#227 Macca

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Posted 08 March 2005 - 17:58

Sorry boys, just trying to keep both threads bumping along on the first page!

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Whoever owns that site presumably took the pictures and owns them - I was just Googling for Lotus images and found them.

And then there is this link to the video about the making of the film, "Challenge of the Champions"..............

http://www.turnercla...,,24320,00.html

And I am pleased to say that I have found a recent photo of longtime-retired British F1 driver Scott Stoddard, still well and retired on the family farm in Yorkshire...

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#228 Keir

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Posted 08 March 2005 - 18:24

Scott is looking good for a man of his advanced age!!

The video link is great!! Thanks :clap:

#229 David Birchall

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Posted 08 March 2005 - 22:19

The copy of "The Making of Grand Prix" that I bought on ebay just arrived. Having been warned that it wasn't worth seeing I was prepared for the worst and I have to admit it is not great :( However, I only paid 5 quid or so, and it does show some of the techniques used by Frankenheimer and crew but really, it is more of a trailer for the movie than anything-still at only 5 quid....

#230 Ralliart

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 04:49

Scott Stoddard, er Brian Bedford, just finished acting in a play here in Los Angeles. Anyone noticed, during the Monza sequence, that there is a shot of the banking. In the distance one can see the cars, in the distance, not on the banking but on the circuit proper. Oddly, a car, on the banking, then comes blasting across the screen, but, instead of coming left to right, it comes right to left.

#231 Macca

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 08:46

There's definitely a shot taken from the rim of the banking looking down onto the straight between Lesmo and Ascari (the place where Sarti later crashes) which shows cars going away down the road circuit and a car passes below the camera on the banking - but going correctly (from that angle) right-to-left.

But I'll watch it yet again to see if there is another shot!



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#232 Martyj

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 18:24

Is it just me, or does the aged Brian Bedford bear a slight resemblance to...Ronald Regan.

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 18:43

A slight one!! Good god, that's disturbing!! :eek:

#234 TooTall

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 18:45

Apparently, Brian Bedford didn't know how to drive a manual gearbox when cast for the film. Don't know how many gearboxes he went through. This probably explains why in almost all the scenes where the camera is mounted on the car looking back at "Scott Stoddard" his face is unrecognizable behind the nomex scarf and dark goggles while all the other main characters wear clear goggles and no scarf. There is the one scene at Monaco where Stoddard pulls down the nomex from his face to voice some words of encouragement to Aron but that could have been done with the car being towed. Also in the "Challenge of Champions" short you get a glimpse of the modified GT40 camera car.

Cheers,

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 22:50

I have this disturbing image in my head of Macca sitting in a darkened room watching Grand Prix over and over again...... :eek:

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 22:51

I have this disturbing image in my head of Macca sitting in a darkened room watching Grand Prix over and over again, only briefly stumbling to kitchen or rest room for refreshment and comfort breaks...... :eek:

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 22:52

Originally posted by Macca
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marshall 1: 'Sacre bleu, we 'ave only just mended zis hut after Monsieur Taylor crashed through eet.'

marshall 2: 'Zat is a nasty wound on your leg.'

Sarti: 'Eef I hadn't been thinking about Louise Frederickson at ze time, it would 'ave been much worse.'

;)


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Having looked at the full size picture, I love the way all of the spectators on the inside of Stavelot seem to have turned their backs on Sarti being lifted by the marshals as if they have no interest whatsoever in what is going on !!

Perhaps they're more interested in Rindt spinning out of Masta a mile back up the road :D

#238 Keir

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Posted 09 March 2005 - 23:36

Barry,

That would be me as well!!

.....but in a candlelit room!!

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 14:07

Candle-lit.............now that would make a change!

Actually, I haven't watched it for a couple of months, I'm just relying on my superb memory.. :rotfl:



Regarding Bedford's driving......in the 'GrandPrix' movie programme there is a photo of Ritchie Ginther wearing a Stoddard/Stewart crash-helmet.



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#240 Keir

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 14:42

According to the various sources, Bedford did no driving at all!! He was only seen when in the "chariot"!!

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 21:19

I have a dim memory of reading an article on the making of "Grand Prix" where, when they were filming at Monaco they sent the cars out on what they thought was a closed track. Montand was first in line and came around a corner to find a civilian car in the road. He spun and hit the barrier avoiding it and the fuel tank split dousing him with fuel, but there was no fire. Moments later, out of the car, rattled but unhurt, he was talking to someone from the crew, maybe even Frankenheimer, when he pulled a pack of cigarettes and a lighter from his pocket. Someone close by was astute enough to snatch the lighter away before he immolated himself.

For some reason, one of my favorite scenes is where Scott decides to get back in the drivers seat and painfully climbs into brother Roger's old Lotus (a 16 I think) which they just happened to have in the garage of the estate, and just happened to be polished up and ready to go on the button. He then turns his flat hat around, pulls on some goggles and motors off down the garden path. I've always wondered what the lap record of the Stoddard estate is? Do you think this is where the Earl of March got the idea for the Goodwood Festival of Speed?

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 22:02

Referring to Keir's post two up from here, I was told by someone who worked on the film - if C. A. Amon drove the GT40, it would have been him - that the bloke who played the part of Sarti's team mate (the chap bearing a resemblance to Cevert) was so disliked by the entire cast and crew, that the driver [Amon] gave it major, major welly whenever he was being towed behind the aforementioned Ford.

I gather that the actor in question was often seen to be of a strange greenish-grey complection after such 'takes'... :lol:

BTW, my humble apologies if this has already been mentioned.

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 22:04

Originally posted by TooTall

For some reason, one of my favorite scenes is where Scott decides to get back in the drivers seat and painfully climbs into brother Roger's old Lotus (a 16 I think) which they just happened to have in the garage of the estate, and just happened to be polished up and ready to go on the button. He then turns his flat hat around, pulls on some goggles and motors off down the garden path. I've always wondered what the lap record of the Stoddard estate is? Do you think this is where the Earl of March got the idea for the Goodwood Festival of Speed?

Dunno, but I found it interestingly consistent with the remainder of the film that the Lotus had [Jordan-]BRM numbers.

#244 Keir

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Posted 11 March 2005 - 14:17

The actor in question was Antonio Sabato, who was quite the peacock!! That is until things got racey in the "chariot"!!

The GT40 camera car was driven by Amon, Bondurant and Phil Hill, who all took part in the stunt driving as well.

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Posted 11 March 2005 - 14:36

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thinks: "I may have only just learn to drive, but at least I'm not a quivering wreck like some people - now, who's got my crash-hat."


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Posted 14 March 2005 - 12:26

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'Ah, that's who had my crash-hat.'





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Posted 14 March 2005 - 16:58

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The 'brolly-dolly' idea showed promise but lacked a certain something at first.......dollies.



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Posted 14 March 2005 - 18:25

Originally posted by Macca
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'Ah, that's who had my crash-hat.'





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That's Ritchie - right?

#249 Macca

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 18:29

Yep - the picture in the MGM cinema programme that I mentioned.


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Posted 15 March 2005 - 11:25

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'I wonder if anyone will notice that I've got a different peak on my helmet to the one on Ritchie's.'




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