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#251 Macca

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 11:54

http://www.atthemovi...sters/2522.html


Some more shots here...............



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#252 Macca

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 12:38

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Another one from the MGM cinema programme.....

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#253 Keir

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 14:40

.....on his way to send two young Belgians to the great beyond!!

#254 Keir

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 14:45

.....on his way to send two young Belgians to the great beyond!!

#255 Macca

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 11:31

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From these shots, it looks like one of those young Belgians lurking behind the old timing hut was actually a photographer.............

And look in the background......had Aron just been lapped, or had he caught up a lot...........or is it Tim Randolph?


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Edited by Macca, 10 September 2013 - 15:52.


#256 Macca

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 14:17

In the new "Green 'un/Red 'un", out today, the bit featuring a reader's own photos has a couple from filming GP at Brands - including one of the photographer sitting in Sarti's car.

Jammy git!


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#257 Keir

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 16:17

Care to scan them??

#258 Macca

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 12:26

OK, Keir.

Meantime:

http://www.grandprix...dPrixPlakat.jpg

Interesting poster for the movie; does anyone else think Aron looks just like 'Arree Schell?

And who is that Latin temptress on the right? Not Pat Stoddard, I think - maybe someone who was left on the cutting-room floor?


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#259 Macca

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 12:58

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Interesting - that's a Lotus 33 under the red paint. MGM used R6, R7, R8 and R9; one was also faked up as a Yamura and one left unmodified. The other one may only have been used in static shots.


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#260 Keir

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 14:32

Strange artwork???

They did some great work with what they had on hand!!

#261 SEdward

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 14:50

Twinny.

Antonio Sabato did not look like François Cevert.

No-one ever did, or ever will, look like François Cevert.

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 16:41

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Aron heading for third at Brands.......



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Edited by Macca, 27 December 2009 - 20:08.


#263 Jim Thurman

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 22:00

Originally posted by Macca
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Aron heading for third at Brands.......



"He's on fire!" - Tim Randolph

#264 Richard Neale

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 22:07

Of course he's on fire!

#265 D-Type

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 23:00

Originally posted by SEdward
Twinny.

Antonio Sabato did not look like François Cevert.

No-one ever did, or ever will, look like François Cevert.
Edward

Have you ever seen a photo of Denis Jenkinson without his beard? :)

#266 Keir

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Posted 19 March 2005 - 20:19

I can't say for sure, but does he look like Cevert??

#267 Macca

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Posted 21 March 2005 - 13:52

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Little-known fact (because I don't think he appeared on-track in the film, only in the cockpit) was that Yamura's second driver at the start of the season who he kept on when he took on Aron, was Mike Spence.......


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#268 Macca

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Posted 21 March 2005 - 17:28

http://latphoto.co.uk/html/*2PV_034881

......although he looked quite old at the time!


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#269 Macca

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 13:08

That wouldn't link...........but it was a photo of Frankenheimer talking to Nino Farina sitting in a 'Yamura' at Monaco (search under 'frankenheimer')


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Posted 22 March 2005 - 14:53

try this instead:

click me!

#271 Macca

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 10:10

Thanks, Breadmaster.

I've run out of 'out-take' stills, unless anyone else out there has some or knows someone who does I'm going to have to post stills from the movie to illustrate interesting points.................

(copyright MGM of course!)


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#272 Keir

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 14:51

Copyright would be Ted Turner!!
He's the one responsible for no DVD of "GP"!!

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 08:26

Originally posted by Keir
Copyright would be Ted Turner!!
He's the one responsible for no DVD of "GP"!!


Can we lobby Mr Turner to release the damn thing??? I see a special TNF protest group, with placards, outside his offices!!!

(grumble, grumble....crap like this really really really really pisses me off.....people need to have more respect for others :mad: )

#274 Macca

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 12:06

Couple more things I've noticed.....


In the Monza footage we do actually see Sabato driving (the only time); we see him from the side mounted radio-controlled camera which then pans forward to the forward view as he goes onto the south banking off the back straight.

When Jeff Jordan is watching an ailing Stoddard from the back of the pits at Brands Hatch, leaning on the fence nearby is Teddy Mayer of McLaren.

When Aron tries to interview Yamura at Clermont-Ferrand, Bob Bondurant is standing by, with Tim Ranndolph................so maybe he was the Yamura #2 or 3 - his car certainly spent enough time painted white in the film!



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#275 ensign14

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 13:17

Rob Rondurant borrowed Mike Spounds' spare helmet at Monaco, whilst Spounds was with Turner at Indy.

#276 Keir

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 14:30

Lots of helmet purloining during the filming of "Grand Prix" !!

#277 Macca

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 15:50

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.....and here, of course, is the famous 'beer in the eye' incident that was thought to have caused Bob Turner's loss of form until the taped throttle cable on the Jordan-BRM was discovered to be the real reason for his poor form..............


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#278 Keir

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 21:23

Sorry, not on any team of tea drinkers would one find a taped throttle!!!

Blame the beer!!!

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 14:30

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A very rare picture of the Stoddard brothers together, Scott (on the right) looking rather old considering the year...................but when was Roger killed?


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#280 Keir

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 14:59

You've got me on that one, Paul!!

Time for research!!

#281 Macca

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 13:55

Has anybody still got the paperback book that went with the film? That might have all the answers!

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meanwhile.......from the Italian GP, Stoddard in a P261 faked-up with P83 H-16 exhausts!

(copyright MGM/Turner)

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 14:59

I have a copy. The prose is appalling.

For some inexplicable reason, if you lay my copy of the book on its spine, it naturally falls open at the page where Barlini gets his wicked way with Mlle Hardy.

Can't think why.

Stick to the film. It's much better.

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 15:02

Are there copies available ??

#284 Martyj

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 17:20

Originally posted by SEdward
I have a copy. The prose is appalling.

For some inexplicable reason, if you lay my copy of the book on its spine, it naturally falls open at the page where Barlini gets his wicked way with Mlle Hardy.

Can't think why.

Stick to the film. It's much better.

Edward


Appalling prose? Surely you can't be refering to this gem of a passage, from page 158, where Scott explains to Pat why he is still competing with his dead brother Roger:

"I was in love once before," he went on. "Before I met you, Pat. Her name was Mary--her last name isn't important--and I was really very much in love. I wanted to marry her. Well, to keep it short, Roger took her away from me! Just like that. She was dazzled by him, I suppose, and he was very successful then and I was nothing. That was the year Roger won the world's championship."
Something very hard and bitter crept into Scotts voice now. "But Roger couldn't leave well enough alone, you see. He did worse than take Mary away from me--he gave her back! We were in England at the time, and he and Mary had dropped out of sight for a few days. Then the phone rang and it was Roger. He was half drunk and laughing at me. He told me where I could find Mary in some cheap hotel.
"Just before he hung up he said 'She's all yours again, Old Chap. I've had my fill. Take her back if she'll come.' And he laughed like a demon."
Pat wanted to go to him, then. To cradle his head on her breast and hold him, but she restrained the urge...

#285 Gary C

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 18:08

this is quite fantastic stuff -- I'm hooked!!

#286 ensign14

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 18:34

For some reason, the names Michael, Ralf and Cora come to mind... :confused:

#287 Keir

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 21:13

Quite the "pot boiler" !!!

More!! More!!

#288 Martyj

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 21:46

Originally posted by Keir
Quite the "pot boiler" !!!

More!! More!!


You got it.

From page 43:

Nino whistled softy. "Ho-hah--I must see to this, Maestro. You will excuse me." He left the garage in hot pursuit of the girl.
Sarti gazed after the boy, trying to convince himself that it was not a species of hate he felt for the young, but rather a worldly and weary cynicism. How could one really hate a beautiful young animal like Nino Barlini? He, Sarti, had always liked the boy. But that had been last year and the year before--when Nino had still been racing motorcycles and had been no threat. Now he was a distinct threat. All youth was a threat. How they shoved and pushed, the young, how inexorably they kept on the pressure. Move on, old man, move on. Get out, old man! He was King and they were all out to dethrone him. He was the Old Man of the tribe and they were all waiting, the young ones, for him to lose his fangs...

#289 Gary C

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 22:12

Brilliant, brilliant stuff! Who actually (or, who owned up to) writing it??

#290 Keir

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 22:15

I don't know about any of you, but this is pretty good "pulp fiction"!!

I might buy a copy, if I can find one!!

#291 Martyj

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 22:17

Originally posted by Gary C
Brilliant, brilliant stuff! Who actually (or, who owned up to) writing it??


A guy named Manning Lee Stokes. The copyright page says "novelization arranged by Lyle Kenyon Engel," who some of us Americans will remember as editor of the old "Auto Racing" magazine from the late 60's.

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 22:27

Here's the best jewell in the whole book, from page 119:

"Just listen, Monique, and you will understand. You will understand perfectly well. And you will, I think, consent to give me a divorce. This, this paper in my hand, is the report from a firm of private detectives--"
Monique raised a hairbrush, but she did not hurl it. Her face worked. "You--you spied on me! You dared to spy on me!"
"I dared. It was most expensive, too, but worth it. And most surprising! Very surprising. I thought I was going to catch you with another man--instead I caught you out with another woman. I will say this for you, dear wife--you are probably the most discreet Lesbian who ever lived. You have certainly fooled me! At first I did not even believe the detectives--not until they showed me the girl."
Her eyes were slitted and as hard and dark as volcanic glass. "You saw Charlotte? You spoke to her--you dared to speak to her?"
Sarti waved a hand. "Of course I saw her. And of course I did not speak to her, or intrude in any way. I am as discreet as you are, Monique. I do not wish a scandal, a mess. All I want is a divorce."
Monique shook her head. "Never!"

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 00:53

:rotfl:

This is GOLD!!!! Somehow there must be a way to get the entire text.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 03:10

What a great thread! I've been following it for a while. Grand Prix was/is/will always be my favorite movie. I saw it when I was 3 at the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood. It's nice to see that there are so many Grand Prix movie fantatics here, as well.

#295 Macca

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 12:11

Excellent stuff - it's all adding to the gaps where the film was cut (did the writer have a copy of the full or shooting script?).

But are there any more race results, and any more names of fictional drivers who never made it onto the credits, in the book, so we can complete the WDC points table?

In the film Rindt and Brabham are mentioned, and Jim Clark (just once before the British GP) - at the drivers' meeting we see Spence, Ligier, Schlesser, McLaren and Siffert of the un-named drivers, plus Phil Hill/Randolph, Graham Hill/Turner and Dan Gurney/Burney (plus journalists Cahier and Frere), and Bonnier and Bondurant are seen at Clermont - but Yamura #3 Mclendon must have been McLaren, not Bondurant.



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Posted 31 March 2005 - 12:57

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"He's on fire!!!"


:cool:


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#297 Keir

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 14:22

:clap:

#298 Martyj

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 14:39

Originally posted by smithy
:rotfl:

This is GOLD!!!! Somehow there must be a way to get the entire text.


You just had to ask, didn't you?

Okay...here goes:

Chapter One:

The man on the balcony of the Nouvel Hotel was tall, a little over six feet, with the wide shoulders and flat hips of the natural athelete. He was heavily tanned, with the face of an amiable hawk. The terry cloth robe he wore was open at the chest and the buttery Monaco sun, now nearly at the zenith, was warm in the curling dark hair on his massive chest.

The sound of a racing engine, low keyed and distant at first, began to fill the hotel room. The sound grew and grew, climbing steadily in decibles until it invaded and conquered the room. The man on the balcony raised a pair of binoculars, twisting the focusing dial, bringing the glasses to bear on the Tobacco Turn.

He picked up the green BRM running fast toward the turn. Too fast, he thought. Too fast! He's going to louse it up. His aquiline face was impassive; only the faintest twitch of jaw muscles betrayed any emotion. That and the bare beginning of a smile at the corner of his well formed mouth....

(more to come)

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 14:41

"Tobacco Turn....."

Oh Gawd - STOP NOW! PLEASE!

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#300 Macca

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 15:31

What, before he gets to the Railroad Station Turn, or Gatekeeper Bend?



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