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#301 Barry Boor

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 16:12

YES!

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#302 Ivan

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 18:08

Is this from a real book, or are you lot making this stuff up?

#303 Martyj

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 18:14

Originally posted by Ivan
Is this from a real book, or are you lot making this stuff up?


It's the real book that was the official marketed tie-in for the film. The cover has the same art as the poster, record album jacket, etc., with the words "Metro Goldwyn Meyer presents a John Frankenheimer Film" prominently across the top.

#304 Martyj

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 18:28

("Grand Prix" the novel, continued from previous post...)


The driver of the green BRM was taking an extreme outside line for the corner. He shut off and locked left and slid into the turn, his rear tires spraying bits of hot rubber. The driver eased his wheel, barely missed his clipping point on the inner retaining wall, and came into the middle of the turn straight and ready to accelerate. The driver jammed the gas pedal and roared out of the turn and came thundering down past the Chatham Bar, and toward the Nouvel. It flashed beneath the balcony, a green streak of lightning, and the man watching made a sardonic little gesture with his hand. He watched the BRM brake and slide into another turn, missing the Van Cleef windows, and vanish. New sound approached now at the Tobacco Turn. A Cooper and a Vanwall. Turner and Murphy. Behind them, its engine casting a shriller note, came a white Yamura.

The man with the glasses turned to leave the balcony. He had no particular interest in these cars. As he stepped back into the room the girl in the bed said, "Pete."

"Yeah?" He regarded her with dispassion and just a hint of boredom. It had been fun last night, and in the early hours of this morning, but now he wished she would leave. It was a particular curse of his, he thought, that while he never had any trouble getting women he had a hell of a time getting rid of them.

(more to come later)

#305 Ivan

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 18:32

can you scan the book cover? I googled the arthur and I can't find the book. This does keep coming up but, still no book -

Jeffrey Lord
House pseudonym used by
Lyle Kenyon Engel, Roland J Green, Ray Nelson, Manning Lee Stokes

#306 Maldwyn

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 20:38

Originally posted by Macca
A very rare picture of the Stoddard brothers together, Scott (on the right) looking rather old considering the year...................but when was Roger killed

Chapter 7, page 104 "The farmhouse belonged to Scott Stoddard's parents, and would one day belong to him. Now that Roger Stoddard, Scott's older brother, was dead. Killed in the American Grand Prix at Watkins Glen, in New York State, five years before. Roger had been a big man, much bigger than Scott, a bluff and hearty man who had been known among his inmates, and to racing fans, as 'Jolly' Roger."

Originally posted by Ivan
can you scan the book cover?

No sooner said than done :)

#307 dolomite

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 21:41

Vanwall?!? :drunk:

#308 Ivan

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 22:47

Thanks Maldwyn

#309 Ivan

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 23:52

Amazon.com is my best friend. I just ordered the last two copies!!!!

#310 Keir

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 00:18

BASTARD!!

Where shall I get mine then???

maybe Avon books will do a reprint??

#311 Ivan

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:26

Keir,
I'm sure you'll forgive me. I ordered the second one for a friend.

#312 Macca

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:18

And I just ordered one from a s/h bookseller in the UK!

Don't worry, Keir, we'll tell you how it ends!

:p


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#313 Macca

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 13:12

Vanwall??? Hmmm.................can't see it in this shot...........

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#314 Ivan

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 14:22

Macca,
Look at the inside of Aron's right tyre. You've had a blow out!!!

#315 Martyj

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 14:25

Originally posted by Macca
And I just ordered one from a s/h bookseller in the UK!

Don't worry, Keir, we'll tell you how it ends!

:p


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Here you go, Keir. This is how it end:

Pete Aron smiled. He lit another cigarette, rubbed his blasted face tenderly where the skin itched, and went back to the Cord. His face was serene as he drove away from the pit area. He was content.

#316 Macca

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 14:26

Actually he's lost the inside sidewall of all four tyres..................in fact he's running the unified wheel/tyre combination which saves unsprung weight (springs? what springs?)



:cool:


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#317 Keir

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 14:27

I can now die in peace!!

I have to get this book!!

#318 Martyj

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 14:40

(Grand Prix the novel. Continued from before...)


The girl was sitting up in bed. She was naked. She held a sheet over a pair of well-developed breasts. She was pretty in an ordinary way, with short blonde hair and rather protuberant blue eyes.

"What were you doing on the balcony just now? Was it important, something to do with the race tomorrow? I was watching your face. You looked positively grim."

"Did I?" He was amused. "I was spying on my teammate, Scott Stoddard. Watching how he gets around the Tobacco Turn. I have to admit he's pretty damned slick."

He went to a desk and took out a sheet of the hotel stationary. With a pencil he drew a turn, then doodled a little car going in and coming out.

"The bastard understeers in and oversteers out. It shouldn't work--but it does for him."

The girl in the bed said: "Is it ethical? For drivers to spy on each other?"

Pete Aron laughed. "Hell yes. And it's not exactly spying, baby. We all do it, but sometimes you have to do it on the sly. If I went down there and stood on the turn Scott wouldn't show a thing."

"Will it help you win the Grand Prix tomorrow? Spying on your teammate?"

Pete left the desk and went to the bed. He kissed her lightly on the lips. She smelled of tabacco and brandy and day old perfume, all catalyzed by the female musk odor. The girl put her arm around his neck and the sheet dropped away. Pete kissed each breast once, then arranged the sheet about her again. "I'm going to have to kick you out, kid. I've got things to do. You want first shower?"

(more to come later)

#319 Keir

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 14:49

I wonder how Garner would have played it???

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#320 Macca

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 15:09

Hopefully he'd have got the corners in the right sequence :evil:

See post #305......if he's understeering into the turn, how come rubber is coming off his REAR tyres at the entry? Stuck throttle?


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#321 Martyj

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 18:20

(Grand Prix, the novel. Continued from before....)

Her blue eyes widened. "You wouldn't like to come back to bed? Just for a little while?"

"I would like to but I can't. I've got to meet somebody at noon and it's damned near that now. Maybe some other time, honey."

The girl sighed. "There won't be another time and you know it. I'm leaving Monaco tomorrow, right after the race."

Pete lit two cigarettes and handed one to her. This was the part that always tried his nerves--getting rid of them. He was not a cruel man, nor was he especially kindly, though he made the effort. His greatest fault was lack of patience.

He fixed her now with a rather hard stare. His eyes were wide spaced and a dark grey, and there was a glitter about them that went with the hawk face.

"Okay" he said slowly. "Okay, Barbara. So there won't be another time. So? It was a good time while it lasted, huh? I thought so and you acted like you did. So now it's goodbye. What's so bad about that?"

The girl shrugged her white shoulders. Each shoulder was dusted with tiny golden freckles. "I'm sorry," she said. "I didn't mean to be so silly. But last night was so marvelous, so dreamy." She made a gesture that included the entire Principality of Monaco. "I mean--meeting and sleeping with a famous race driver in a place like this! This little story book country! It's like an operetta. Like the Prisoner of Zenda or the Student Prince. You know what I mean? Does it affect you that way?"

Pete had been sitting on the edge of the bed. He got up and slapped her rump through the sheet. "Only in a very vague way," he admitted. "I'm a racing driver, and all Monaco means to me is a chance to change my luck and win a race for a change."

He smacked her again, "Come on, wench! Out. Take your bath and beat it."

(More to come)

#322 Keir

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 16:31

Funny, I don't see Garner using the word "wench"!!

#323 Martyj

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 13:42

(Grand Prix the novel, continued....)


He watched her climb out of bed on the opposite side. She was a rather tall girl with a firm, nubile body. Her legs were slim and long, her pubic hair the same pale gold as that on her head.

"You'll be sorry," the girl said. She was half pouting, only half jesting. "You'll be sorry. I'm not going to root for you tomorrow! I'll root for your teammate---what's his name?"

"Scott Stoddard. And you won't be alone, baby. Most of the crowd will be rooting for Scott, too. Now go take that bath or I'll really smack that beautiful behind."

As she scampered for the bathroom he had to admit that it was, indeed, a lovely behind. Pink and rounded to perfection. Fully packed.

(More to come)

#324 Keir

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 14:00

Round, Firm and Fully Packed!!

#325 Martyj

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 16:56

(Grand Prix the novel, continued...)

The bathroom door slammed and a moment later he heard the beat of the shower. He lit another cigarette and went to the balcony again. His eyes swept over the Monte Carlo district from the Casino to the Yacht Club and the tiny inner harbor where scores of glistening white boats were moored. Even without the binoculars he could see the crews, mostly professionals, swabbing the decks and polishing the bright work. His glance brushed the jumbled, pastel-hued hotels and apartment houses that terraced back from the harbor. Everywhere he could see the huge vari-colored posters reading: GRAND PRIX DE MONACO.

Pete Aron flipped his cigarette over the balcony rail and went back into the room. He supposed that it was exciting and colorful, even thrilling, to a girl like Barbara Ketchum. From Indianapolis, Indiana. Age Twenty-one. A senior at Butler, majoring in Psychology. Dad a big shot with a meat packing outfit.

That meat outfit, Pete thought now as he lit another cigarette and sat on the bed, would probably be the old Kingan plant out on the west side of town by White River. He was an Indianapolis boy himself, born and raised on North Meridian Street. He had attended Shortridge High School.

Barbara Ketchum had also attended Shortridge. This link, this incidental meshing of their destinies, had come out last night at the Casino where he had picked her up. Pete had been losing a few francs--which he could not afford--in the salon ordinaires. Barbara had been winning a little. She had smiled at him. Later they had drinks at the bar--Barbara was drinking fines ---and the facts about Indianapolis had emerged. There was much small talk about the old home town, to Pete's amusement and slight chagrin. He had never really liked the place. Take away the Indy track, the Brickyard, and you had nothing left but a tank town where the sidewalks were rolled up at midnight. The big track was another matter--he had spend some of his happiest days there, hanging around the pits during the time trials, bugging the drivers, making a general nuisance of himself.

(More to come later)

#326 ensign14

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 17:21

Originally posted by Martyj
Barbara was drinking fines

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#327 Keir

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 18:01

No accounting for taste !!

#328 Catalina Park

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 09:24

Originally posted by Martyj
(Grand Prix the novel, continued....)

.... I'm not going to root for you tomorrow! I'll root for your teammate---what's his name?"

(More to come)


I just thought I would highlight this line for any Aussies that may have missed it! :rotfl:

#329 Martyj

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 15:12

(Grand Prix the novel, continued from before....)


Pete had mentioned none of this to the girl. There had hardly been time or opportunity, for she was doing all the talking, flashing signals that she was available for the night. A little against his better judgement, not really caring, Pete had taken her up on it. He was a loner by nature and he could take people--especially women-- or leave them alone. But she was young and pretty and it had been some time since he had been with a woman. So they had ended up in bed.

Pete leaned to stub out his cigarette, remembering last night. Barbara had been extremely lubricous and knew a great many bed tricks. For only twenty-one! He had wondered, at the time, if the Indianapolis girls had changed all that much or if his memory was faulty. For a college kid this Barbara certainly knew her way around a bed.

The shower noise stopped. Pete paced the floor, smoking yet another cigarette, and feeling a trifle old. Thirty-seven. That was getting just a little long in the tooth for Grand Prix racing. Not too old, not yet, but there was a shadow just around the corner. And he still wasn't top dog. Still hadn't won a world's championship. Maybe this year?

Maybe hell! It was going to be this year! Either that or bust a gut!


(More to come)

#330 dolomite

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 17:11

So is there any actual motor racing in this book? :D

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 17:12

or just soft porn? :lol:

#332 Martyj

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 13:49

(Grand Prix the novel, continued from before...)


Absently he went around picking up the girl's clothes. She had tossed everything on the floor, helter-skelter. Skirt, blouse, a jacket, panties, a garter belt with the stockings still attached. He put them all on a chair just as she came out of the bathroom. She was toweling the ends of her soft golden hair. Pete grinned at her.

"You're not very neat, baby."

"I was in a hurry last night, as you may recall."

"Yeah."

She dressed before him without any show of false modesty. Pete sat on the bed and watched her, smoking. He felt no new stir of desire, even when she came close and asked him to fasten her brassiere. The trouble with me, he thought, is that I'm married to a goddamned race car!

Pete grinned a little ruefully at the thought. He had to admit it. To him a racing car, in prime condition, was better than the best woman who had ever lived. It was what was wrong with him, or at least one of the things, and it was something that no head shrinker would ever be able to fix.

He walked to the door with Barbara Ketchem. She lingered for a moment. "Do you think you'll ever be in Indianapolis again?"

Pete nodded. "I plan to. I want to win that one someday. I've already gotten a fourth and a seventh there. But I don't know just when it will be. Rides aren't easy to get at Indy."


(More to come)

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 13:50

Originally posted by Breadmaster
or just soft porn? :lol:

Too late for the Climax engine.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 14:27

But not too late for the Anti Climax V10 :up:

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 03:52

Got the book the other day. The first chapter alone would have been a good movie. I'm on chapter three with Pete's gearbox seizing up. Funny how sexual the book is. Never knew that about Hugo!! He is one of the cool people in the movie.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 13:44

(Grand Prix the novel, continued from before...)

Still she lingered. "I'm in the phone book. North Meridian street."

He smiled. "My street, too. We were probably neighbors, or would have been if you had been born a little sooner. So long, baby. I've really got to hurry."

The girl sighed. "Well, at least it will be something to tell the girls at the sorority house. They'll think I'm lying, of course."

Pete was genuinely startled. "Good God! Do women talk about it like that?"

Barbara's smile was a bit arch. "Some do, some don't. Depends a lot on who the man is. Good bye, Pete. And thanks. You ---you were just marvelous."

Pete relented a bit. He kissed her soundly, then disengaged and pushed her gently out the door. "Good bye, kid. Maybe I'll see you again sometime."


(More to come later.)

#337 dolomite

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 15:07

Come on, what we really want to know is what chassis number was Aron driving at Monaco, and what were his gear ratios and and bump rubber settings. :lol:

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 12:05

This stuff could be entered in the annual Bulwer-Lytton "Turgid Prose" contest ("honoring" the writer who began his novel "It was a dark and stormy night...).

The description of Indy in the 60s is uncomfortably on the mark. Don't have an opinion on Butler coeds as my wife might be looking over my shoulder.

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 16:27

Ok, I have been reading the book and I'm almost finished. I wanted to ask what is the Cord? It's the car that Pete drives in the book. Do any of you know what this car is. In the movie it's a Mustang. I don't think I have ever heard of a Cord before.

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 16:30

Originally posted by Ivan
Ok, I have been reading the book and I'm almost finished. I wanted to ask what is the Cord? It's the car that Pete drives in the book. Do any of you know what this car is. In the movie it's a Mustang. I don't think I have ever heard of a Cord before.


If it was a pre-WW2 Cord, then try feasting your eyes on this

http://www.hfmgv.org.../1937/cord.html

#341 Ivan

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 17:20

Thanks Ruairidh,
That is a very cool looking car.

#342 Martyj

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 14:16

(Grand Prix the novel, continued from before....)

He took a fast shower, decided he could get by without a shave, and dressed. He put on a pair of gray slacks, a sport shirt of Irish linen, and a discreetly plaid sports jacket. He ran a comb through his sleek dark hair, cut just short of a crew. He detected a white hair at his temple and plucked it out. Jeff Jordan, owner of his own BRM stable, liked his drivers young. Scott Stoddard was only twenty-seven! Pete grimaced at the mirror. Screw Jeff! That skinny bastard wasn't going to like him, Pete, no matter what. Jeff thought he was a lead-footed, brainless, speed-happy excuse for a racing driver. Pete knew he wasn't. Pete knew he was probably the best man driving today, but he was never going to convince Jeff Jordan of that. Not now. Too late. The hell of it was that Pete's luck had been so damned rotted for the past six months. One lousy fourth over the last half of the season.

Pete shrugged and went to a dresser. He took a wad of franc notes from the drawer and counted them. A little over two hundred bucks. That was it. And he still hadn't sent his mother her monthly hundred. He must do that today. Then he would have a hundred or so left. Pete stuffed the wad of francs into his wallet. There was always tomorrow. He just had to win the grand prix tomorrow! He would, too, if the goddamned car held together. He left the room. As he strode down the corridor a sharp observer could see that he limped, just a triffle, on his right leg. He was still carrying a fragment of shrapnel from Korea in that knee.


(End of Section 1 of chapter 1.)

#343 Keir

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 14:28

Funny, In the movie Pete missed the War by a year !! I like the movie version better !!

#344 Macca

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 14:38

Different war, Keir - Korea 1950-53, not WW2.

So Pete would have been 21-24.................... like Ginther?


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Another still from the Stoddard family archive - funny thing is, the intakes and exhaust in this picture of Roger look like a 1966 Cooper-Maserati T83.................but Roger was killed in 1961, so it must be a prototype De Tomaso at Monza in 1961.

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Just got back from holiday to find my copy of the novel waiting - more on the points for 1966 to follow.....

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#345 Keir

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 14:51

I really didn't pay much attention to the timeline there !!

Pete would have been 38 for the '66 season !! That's a wee bit old for a F1 driver !! He might have been the eldar statesman ??

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 16:33

The book says 37 - in 1966 Black Jack turned 40 (hence the beard-and-stick act he did at Zandvoort) while Phil Hill and Graham Hill were both 37, and Ritchie (or Richie) Ginther was 36.


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#347 Keir

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 16:43

How old was Garner during the filming ??

..... and I did say, "A wee bit old", not ancient !!

And Black Jack raced well during his last F1 season 1970 !!

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 17:20

Garner was 38 (b 7 April 1928), Yves Montand was 44 (b 13 Oct 1921) during the filming from May-September 1966.


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#349 Keir

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 17:28

They both looked good for their respective ages, didn't they ???

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 22:28

Garner still does!! :clap: :smoking: