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#1 Jerry Lee

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:03

I've been reading Nigel Roebuck's material in Autosport and on the Autosport website and really enjoy it. I also enjoy that fact that it's editorial material rather than just reporting of the facts.

My question is, do any of you read his material and are his opinions and recollections accurate?

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#2 troyf1

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:17

I have been reading Nigel's column for a couple of years now and he is generally on the mark. He makes no bones about the fact that he is not very excited about the current state of Formula One and he has no use for Michael Schumacher at all and doesn't care who know's it. He is highly respected in the F1 paddock.

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:30

Nigel also does the race reports for Autoweek magazine. The reports are refreshingly honest and don't pander to the gigantic egos in the pitlane. He's certainly better than some of the ding-dongs out there (watch the next postrace press conference if you don't know what i mean).:rolleyes:
Nigel's critics say he does too much reminiscing through rose-tinted glasses, but he really did enjoy the sport more before big money affected it so much, and was/is actually friends with people like James Hunt. And, the one thing that really sets him apart from most Englishmen: Nigel will readily proclaim that he's not a Nigel Mansell fan. What a revelation! I'm surprised he hasn't been deported for pointing out what a difficult ass Nigel is.

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:36

I'm an Englishman & I think Mansell is the biggest, most egotistical boring C**T that was ever allowed to drive an F1 car ( As opposed to a GP car ), so don't tar us all with the same brush.

#5 Jerry Lee

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:45

I guess his honesty about his opinions was one thing that always struck me about his writing. He didn't seem to give a flip who knew it and sure as hell didn't pander to the PC crowd.

As for Mansell, I never got to see him race in F1, but he was entertaining to watch when he raced Champcars. However, he seemed to be quite a whinger, even if he just won the race.:rolleyes:

#6 Don Capps

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:56

Nigel Roebuck is the only reason I would even touch a copy of Autosport these days. I have the feeling that many from the Generation X, Y, or Z side probably don't like much of what he has to say. I think he is usually close to the target. Again, I rarely pick up a copy of the magazine, but try to skim his column whenever I think of it. Funny how he and I both wrote about Oporto 1958....

#7 Robbie

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 16:46

Roebuck is excellent: he has his likes and dislikes -- don't we all.

I've been watching F1 since the days of Mario Andretti -- I haven't noticed that it's become nastier. But it seems that Roebuck sees it that way. I think that GP racing was always hard, and that drivers were always primarily interested in winning. (Even the movie 'Gand Prix' [1966?] picked up on that.) I think that Roebuck has allocated all that is unsightly about today's GP to MS: whereas he very accurately shares it out when it comes to the past, with the result that for him the old drivers were capable of the odd indiscretion, without being labelled 'bad guys'.

(Remember James Hunt felled a marshall with a punch who was trying to help him? What would somebody like Roebuck say if MS had done that. Then there are all the Senna incidents that he recently glided over.)

Still, I look forward to his column ervery Wednesday.

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 18:16

Roebuck was great friends with Gilles Villenueve, I always think that his love for Grand Prix racing took a big hit in Zolder 1982

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 19:23

Nigel is great! Even though he has a strong dislike for Michael Schumacher, he still admits that Schumacher is a great driver. Nigel just disagrees with some of Schumacher's tactics, but I find his criticism's fair and balanced, although he could do without calling Michael "herr schumacher".

He's the only reason why I log onto Autosport. The first thing I do when I get home from school on Wednesdays is to read his column.

His favorites are Stirling Moss and Gilles Villeneuve. He regards Stirling as the best ever.

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#10 Vitesse2

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 21:43

Originally posted by LittleChris
I'm an Englishman & I think Mansell is the biggest, most egotistical boring C**T that was ever allowed to drive an F1 car ( As opposed to a GP car ), so don't tar us all with the same brush.


I'll second that ...:lol:

BTW Chris, who are you referring to as the biggest, most egotistical boring C**T that was ever allowed to drive a GP car?:confused: :confused: :) :)

As for Nigel Roebuck: I'll second Don's comments - he's the main reason I read Autosport these days (apart from scanning the sits vac of course!!)

#11 Barry Boor

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Posted 10 August 2001 - 21:50

On the Roebuck topic, his column was the first thing I read when I used to buy Autosport. Sadly, it was not enough to keep me buying it.

On Mansell, I think you will find that very few Englishmen who were race fans before the rise of Il Leone, and are still race fans after he has moved on, will claim to actually like the man or the type of followers his style attracted.

#12 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 11 August 2001 - 08:02

I first starting reading Nigel Roebuck when I bought the Michael Turner art book, "Formula 1" - Nigel wrote the narration for each painting and I instantly liked his style. I've since bought a number of his later books and they are all well worth a read. He narrated the video "500 Grand Prix" made in 1990 which is excellent, although his delivery of the commentary shows that TV is not his strongpoint. He has also appeared on the two Channel 4 discussion specials, "Wheel Torque" and "Stirling Moss Night" and agsin showed that his TV technique was not fantastic.Of course, he has his personal likes and dislikes, don't we all. And I don't always agree with everything he says, just most of it.

I still buy Autosport every week, partly for his column but also for the "Club Autosport" section, I find that more interesting than the F1 coverage these days. When will they drop their interminable unclever "pun" headlines? They drive me mad.

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Posted 12 August 2001 - 18:36

I like Roebuck's column and it's one of my first lectures in each Autosport issue, although I sometimes (too often!) don't agreed with his MS&Senna bashing.

BTW, I'm not English but I find Nigel Mansell one of the bravest and fastest F1 (and other cars) drivers of the last 20 years. I don't know if he was a nice and charming guy :rolleyes: but I always thought he deserved more than one eventual WDC, and it is a shame that his WDC was in such a superior car, people tends to subestimate him for that, forgetting he could win others WDCs on merit.

Obviously all this IMHO :)

#14 Don Capps

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Posted 13 August 2001 - 02:32

I think that perhaps one reason that tend to like N. Roebuck is that he and both seem to share the low opinions of Senna & M. Schumacher. Mike Lawrence's only flaw is that he still is wrong about Senna.

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Posted 13 August 2001 - 04:06

I really enjoy reading Nigel's work, originally in Autosport, now on their website. I also have his book with Michael Turner and his 'Inside Formula 1' book that is a collection of his Autosport articles.

I think it is his nonosense insights into the drivers personality etc. that I enjoy best!

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Posted 24 August 2001 - 23:21

Vitesse,

I actually meant F1 car as a derogatory term as compared to a GP car. I've just been on holiday to NE France & S Belgium, so prepare yourself for lots of pictures of Peronne, Reims, Chimay & Mettet once I get them developed ! Peronne in particular is wonderful !


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Posted 26 August 2001 - 15:41

I have been a Roebuck fan since I started watching F1. His Senna legacy to Schumacher theory is his honest opinion and IMO spot-on. I check out his "Ask Nigel" web column and his Autosport column, as well as get my race reports from Autoweek.

If you want to read how much he loved Gilles Villeneuve and how much he disliked Nigel Mansell (it's actually a hilarious chapter), check out his latest book, "Chasing the Title"

I take some heat for respecting him though from my Schumacher-loving friends.

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Posted 26 August 2001 - 15:53

While Roebuck's dislike of Schumacher was mildly entertaining in previous years, he just wrote a completely antiseptic and out of character Hungary race report for Autoweek.
If I recall correctly he didn't mention Villeneuve once in this article, something of a novelty for him.

Is the man getting bored or has he revised his opinions?

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Posted 26 August 2001 - 17:56

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr_J
"he could do without calling Michael "herr schumacher".

Roebuck's mentor, DSJ used to refer to Stewart as 'the beady-eyed Scot' and Prost as the 'woolly-haired Frenchman'...

I'm another Brit who is not an admirer of Mansell's histrionics, but he certainly put in some very fine racing performances.

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#20 MichaelJP

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Posted 28 August 2001 - 13:02

Originally posted by bergwerk
Is the man getting bored or has he revised his opinions?


I think like many of us he must be getting pretty bored of modern F1 - I can't think of anything worse than having to write a race report of the recent Hungary race!

I'll miss his columns when he retires, but at least I won't have to buy Autosport any more:-)

- Michael

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Posted 28 August 2001 - 20:21

He is simply the best. His writing even attracts people wo are not interested in this sport. E.g. the book "Grand Prix Greats" is vintage wine.

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Posted 29 August 2001 - 01:12

I too, have noticed fewer Jacques Villeneuve references this entire year from Nigel. Hmmmm . . .

I'm curious if there are any motorsport journalists of similar caliber writing regularly in other languages?

#23 Gary Davies

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Posted 29 August 2001 - 09:53

I've always been a fan of NR's insights into this weird sport/business hybrid we follow. I've never had the pleasure of meeting the man but some years ago, I did stumble upon the opportunity of observing what I perceived to be his elevated standing amongst his fellow F1 scribes.

Before the days when Bernie caused F1 Media Centres to be harder to penetrate than the Pentagon War Room, I had occasional semi-official business in the Adelaide Grand Prix Media Centre when it was (for those familiar) adjacent to the old Victoria Park race course buildings.

One day I was walking through the building an hour or so after what had been a particularly torrid qualifying session. There was NR, surrounded by, oh - about 15 of his fellow scribes, holding forth on the recent qualifying session to an audience that by their attentiveness and body language, were hanging on his every word. This wasn't a filibuster or a lecture; it seemed to me a genuine case of the guys avidly drinking in NR's spin on proceedings.

There again, maybe they were just swapping notes on who'd been seen coming out of which drivers' room at The Hilton last night :cool:

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#24 Don Capps

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Posted 30 August 2001 - 14:49

Interesting, but there is a parallel thread on the Readers' Comments Forum -- with a rather different view of Mr. Roebuck....

If you are interested, take a look. I make the mistake of posting something over there and, well....

.... I never seem to remember that great advice: "Don't get off the boat!"

Ditto for the threads on qualifying and the Senna poll.....

:lol: :lol: :lol:

#25 Don Capps

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Posted 30 August 2001 - 14:56

Oh, here is a link to the RC thread:

http://www.atlasf1.c...&threadid=27532

#26 Jerry Lee

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Posted 30 August 2001 - 16:45

I make the mistake of posting something over there and, well....



That is exactly why I chose to ask this group, as you all seem to have the ability to discuss something in a civil manner.

BTW, I appreciate the input I have gotten.

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Posted 30 August 2001 - 20:10

Originally posted by CeCe
I too, have noticed fewer Jacques Villeneuve references this entire year from Nigel. Hmmmm . . .


NR reckons JV is "shockingly wasting his talents", in fact the status quo for years already - so nothing new to refer to.

#28 CeCe

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Posted 31 August 2001 - 00:53

Roebuck has continued to give voice to Villeneuve's opinions on other topics in racing (outside his own career) up into last year. I've noticed fewer instances this season, that's all.

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Posted 31 August 2001 - 01:04

A great writer. I loan out "Grand Prix Greats" to anyone who's shown interest in F1.

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Posted 31 August 2001 - 01:11

I get the feeling that Roebuck was hoping that there would be a lot of Gilles in Jacques, unfortunately apart from some flashes in 96 Jacques does not have his fathers fire.

Gilles would be taking that BAR by the scruff of the neck and literally fling it around circuits at speeds it has no right doing. Could Jacques do the same? Well he isn't and I would say he can't.

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Posted 31 August 2001 - 02:51

Originally posted by Bernd
Gilles would be taking that BAR by the scruff of the neck and literally fling it around circuits at speeds it has no right doing. Could Jacques do the same? Well he isn't and I would say he can't.


This phrase has a rather Roebuckesque turn to it...

Are we sure about Bernd's identity?

#32 Barry Boor

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Posted 31 August 2001 - 06:48

Slightly O.T, I know but I fear that in modern grand prix cars Gilles would have great difficulty hurling any car around the circuits faster than it has any right to do.

In fact, I think that if Gilles were the age now that Jacques is, he would have walked away from F1 a long time ago.

#33 Bernd

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Posted 31 August 2001 - 08:11

Wow nice compliment Bergwerk.

Barry I fear that you are right.... Very Sad.

#34 Gary Davies

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Posted 31 August 2001 - 10:12

Agreed Barry! GV? This I'm sure is a remark that risks flaming, but I always thought he showed a scary imbalance of testosterone over sensitivity.

Vanwall.

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Posted 31 August 2001 - 10:32

Originally posted by Barry Boor
In fact, I think that if Gilles were the age now that Jacques is, he would have walked away from F1 a long time ago.


I remember Villeneuve saying that his dream was driving in Formula 1 with Ferrari and that made him a happy man.

I don't remember him requesting slides aswell.

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Posted 31 August 2001 - 10:44

08-26-2001 15:41 CeCe wrote:

I have been a Roebuck fan since I started watching F1. His Senna legacy to Schumacher theory is his honest opinion and IMO spot-on. I check out his "Ask Nigel" web column and his Autosport column, as well as get my race reports from Autoweek.
If you want to read how much he loved Gilles Villeneuve and how much he disliked Nigel Mansell (it's actually a hilarious chapter), check out his latest book, "Chasing the Title"

CeCe - I have to say I agree with your every word. NR is a fascinating read, and very well informed if somewhat opinionated - but that makes his column all the more interesting. He writes from personal experience and knowledge, so I greatly respect (though may not always agree with) his views.

Long may he continue to entertain and inform us more humble F1 fans.

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Posted 01 September 2001 - 07:20

Strong anti-Schumacher bias (I am a Schumi fan - don't flame me) I still think he is pretty much on the money. I enjoy his weekly comments on Autosports web site and at least he has an opinion. I am pretty tired of the antiseptic manner F1 drivers and teams go about these days, it's too PC and marketing driven.

PS Does anyone know if Nigel Roebuck related to the Cricket writer, county English cricket player Peter Roebuck??

#38 Barry Boor

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Posted 01 September 2001 - 07:35

Re the Peter Roebuck question.

Very unlikely because Nigel comes from Manchester, while IIRC Peter is from the West country. Roebuck is a pretty common surname in the U.K. I used to have a teaching colleague who was also a Roebuck.

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Posted 04 September 2001 - 06:55

Just to show that you can have a decent conversation in the Readers Comments Forum if people wish to:

http://www.atlasf1.c...&threadid=27799

It has an excellent discussion on the nuances of oversteer and understeer.

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#40 Barry Boor

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 09:25

I see that Nigel Roebuck is leaving Autosport.

Does anyone know what he is going to do next?

#41 Gary Davies

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 09:42

Bore da, Barry. He is going to Motor Sport. The final Ask Nigel is up now.

But here's my question. In his new role, will he be attending Grands Prix? Or to put it another way, will he be bothering Max and Bernie for an FIA pass? And, inter alia, will he be feeling some freedom to paint a picture of the sorry state of Formula One that more resembles the way it really is?

I believe he has been already been somewhat more bold than many of his anaemic colleagues in declaring that there's something rotten in the State of FIA. May he now feel able to turn up the heat?

Ah! Edit. I have just nipped into Ask Nigel and one question is answered: "This is indeed my last week of working for Autosport (both the magazine and the website), but in the New Year I'm going off to be editor-in-chief of Motor Sport, and will continue to go to the races, and to write columns and features, as always."

Still, take it to them, Nigel!

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 10:59

I must have missed something because logging into autosport this mornning I was shocked.... then I read he was going to MotorSport and I am now delighted.

Nigel gets accused of "reusing" material but when he has written so many words on this sport of ours and considering there are new enthusiasts created every day thats a neccessary evil and I have always enjoyed his columns, maybe nort always agreed, but always enjoyed. Strangley I was also this morning catching up on some old MS issues, i've abit of a backlog, and in last July's edition his column covered Pironi.... despite an attempt to be objective, his disgust shone through - I'd rather see such conviction than the FIA focussed bendoverism of today.

keep up the good work Nigel, goodbye but eh welcome

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 11:27

Originally posted by Vanwall
But here's my question. In his new role, will he be attending Grands Prix? Or to put it another way, will he be bothering Max and Bernie for an FIA pass? And, inter alia, will he be feeling some freedom to paint a picture of the sorry state of Formula One that more resembles the way it really is?


Yes he will still be attending GP's...

"This is indeed my last week of working for Autosport (both the magazine and the website), but in the New Year I'm going off to be editor-in-chief of Motor Sport, and will continue to go to the races, and to write columns and features, as always."

http://www.autosport...x.html/id/23047

But only about 12...

"On behalf of Autosport, I went to nearly 450 Grands Prix, so that can't be bad for a start, can it? And in my new job, I plan to continue to attend at least a dozen a year, plus other events here and there..."

http://www.autosport...x.html/id/23110

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 13:19

Originally posted by Barry Boor
I see that Nigel Roebuck is leaving Autosport.

Does anyone know what he is going to do next?


in this weeks on line 'ask nigel' on the main site he explains that

"in the New Year I'm going off to be editor-in-chief of Motor Sport, and will continue to go to the races, and to write columns and features, as always."

peter

#45 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 13:31

Actually this is a blessing. He no longer fits in at Autosport. Autosport, like the FIA has lost the plot IMO.

#46 Barry Boor

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 16:31

I couldn't agree more!

I just looked at this week's AuSpo in the Co-op and it was uniformly awful.

It's nowt but a comic now.

Very sad, but then I am very old.....

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 16:49

I've always enjoyed reading his stuff, even if I've not always agreed with it. Will miss my weekly fix of his writing in Autosport.

But I won't be following him to Motorsport, unless they're planning to substantially increase their coverage of modern motor racing.

#48 David Beard

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 17:51

Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
I've always enjoyed reading his stuff, even if I've not always agreed with it. Will miss my weekly fix of his writing in Autosport.

But I won't be following him to Motorsport, unless they're planning to substantially increase their coverage of modern motor racing.


But they have :wave:

#49 Vitesse2

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 17:52

Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk

But I won't be following him to Motorsport, unless they're planning to substantially increase their coverage of modern motor racing.

There's been quite a bit in the last few issues ....

#50 stevewf1

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 18:28

This Indiana F1 fan has always enjoyed reading anything Nigel Roebuck writes, anywhere, anytime.

Now, do I keep my AutoSport on-line subscription or not... :confused: