What is worse - Eurosport or CART ?
Posted 03 September 2001 - 17:49
Last night the CART race was advertised as being on Eurosport at 11 p.m. I knew this would not be live, but I stayed off the Internet and waited. 11 p.m. came and went while two chaps whacked small yellow balls at one-another and a third chap occasionally informed us that apparently, they were in love or were having juice.
Eventually after 11.30 they reached a point where they could be left to be in love without our having to watch them, although the announcer informed us that he was sure they would still be at it when the racing ended! Such stamina!
Cut to Vancouver; the cars were already racing. Indeed, they had been racing for no less than 60 laps out of 100. Were we given any idea of what had happened up to that point? Er.... NO! It was clear to me that the commentators had been rattling along since the start and were probably totally unaware that we had not been with them all the way through. Eurosport, it appears, in their wisdom had not seen fit to tell them that viewers were just joining and they might give us just a hint of what had gone before.
Cut away to CART itself. I know we have often debated this series and it has its fans. I am one of them; hell, it IS single seater motor racing after all! But I am getting a bit tired of a) the almost uniformally awful driving of the competitors and b) the ludicrous use of full-course yellows and c) the apparent arbitrary 'make-it-up-as-you-go-along' rules being employed; e.g. the closing of the pits when everyone in the race teams assumed they would be open. We had the 'piece of lint' on the track comments on another thread just a day or so ago, but PLEASE, can somebody tell me why they did about 8 laps behind the pace car when 2 cars had slid into the tyres? Da Matta was back in the pits and back in the race not even losing a lap. while Fernandez drove off the race track and out of the way almost immediately.
If I were a spectator, and I might even be one at Rockingham, although I rather think I won't bother, I would be hammering on CART's door demanding a proportion of my entrance fee back for having to watch the 50 mph Grand Prix for 3 or 4 times longer than was actually needed.
CART is in VERY serious danger of making itself a complete laughing stock in the eyes of many race fans, if it hasn't already.
So which is the worst? Eurosport for making a complete Horlicks of the transmission or CART for making theoretically good racing into farce?
You pays yer money and takes yer choice!
Posted 03 September 2001 - 17:56
Posted 03 September 2001 - 18:00
Anyway, the race was yesterday, which makes it historic!
Posted 03 September 2001 - 18:56
Posted 03 September 2001 - 19:42
Posted 03 September 2001 - 20:43
They sound as though they are really having a good time.
Posted 03 September 2001 - 20:48
Additionally, Eurosport never seem to stick to their schedule, no matter how often they change it during the course of one week. Complete disregard of customer, I call that!
So, Eurosport is definitely worse!!!
As for CART, I agree, they seem to have lost their plot quite dramatically recently. I once quite liked the series, but rarely watch it anymore.
Posted 03 September 2001 - 21:30
In addition, there are two main Eurosport channels, for Europe and Britain. They don't show the same schedule but it can happen that what is actually on view agrees neither with their Teletext listing nor the Sky EPG! We can but hope they might take a decision to switch events to the Eurosport News channel when problems like that outlined by Barry occur. Sky Sports do this often when events over-run - night cricket games very often get switched to Sky Sports 3 or Extra at 10.00pm.
As to commentators, I always enjoyed hearing John Watson take Allard Kalff apart - does Allard still work for RTL? He wasn't the best ever, although Wattie was great as expert summariser and he teamed very well with Ben Edwards afterwards.
Posted 04 September 2001 - 07:17
Posted 04 September 2001 - 07:40
I know Eurosports coverage of CART is usually a tad poor, but this season seems to be dire.
I noticed the lack of summing up by the commentators as well - I reckon nobody told them that the rest of us were only going to get the 2nd half of the race.
What I can't understand is.... Eurosport is a Europe-wide satellite channel, so I presume they take their viewing figures as a whole.
If CART is so popular with viewers, why screw it around so much. I mean, they'll show the European soccer matches they get the rights to 'til the cows come home - repeat after bloody repeat. It's not like they have so much stuff to show and so little broadcast space.
As for CART.....
I suppose it's safer to post this here rather than the kindergarden.
But the driving and organisational standards are just appalling.
Come on, a street course, tight and twisty, a restart and off they all go at full throttle into the first bend with no hope of overtaking, bumping and grinding away. NASCAR must have more influence over North American motorsports than we thought - since most CART drivers seem to think they're in a tin box rather than an open wheeler.
As for the 'piece of lint'
CART must really be in trouble if they can't afford the money to rent a couple of cranes for the weekend.
The officials really give the impression they couldn't organise the proverbial knees up in a brewery.
Posted 04 September 2001 - 12:43
As for CART, I think that one of the long yellows was for them to blow the track clear of marbles - I caught a glimpse of the blower. But it was as crappy a race as usual on the ridiculous street courses that CART persists with. Vancouver is a DIRE track and always has been, despite the changes over the years. I wish CART would run all the races at Cleveland....
Posted 04 September 2001 - 14:21
Posted 04 September 2001 - 17:27
There is a constant appraisal of the situation in F1, and while the changes that are made do not always achieve the desired results, they DO try.
I get the feeling that CART thinks it really is the dogs b******s and could not conceive that there are millions of people out here in spectator-land who would not wholly agree with their views.
Posted 04 September 2001 - 19:49
As to TV coverage, we in Canada generally have had feed from coverage by ABC. Over the years, the commentating has improved, but the ABC producers have never seemed to have come to terms with what motor racing is about. They do seem to have learned not to gaze at a sponsors airship, or show us the tension on the faces of drivers' wives, just when exciting things were about to happen on the track, but somehow they still manage to miss some key happenings.
I still tune in, but with more anticipation of a screw-up than a good race. How can you mess up a race at Elkart Lake?
Posted 04 September 2001 - 20:27
Posted 05 September 2001 - 12:03
Originally posted by NYR2119935
It's not CART's fault.....blame Eurosport......complain to them! Demand better coverage!
And they ignored me.
Posted 05 September 2001 - 12:13
Posted 05 September 2001 - 13:25
Posted 05 September 2001 - 13:59
And I offer this without comment: "expert summariser" will be Mark Blundell ...
Posted 05 September 2001 - 15:01
Apparently Eurosport do not have the rights for either Rockingham or Lausitzring.
The other members of the BBC Commentary team will be Suzi Perry ( YEEES PLEEAASE !! ) & Leigh Diffey, both of whom currently cover World Superbikes for the BBC.
There will be a 24 hour delay, but one might ask what happens if it rains on Saturday and they have to run on Sunday, would the BBC be able to show it live ?
Posted 05 September 2001 - 18:21
My digital programme listing for Eurosport showed Vancouver at 5.15 this evening. I waited - football! I flicked back and forth so as not to miss the bit I didn't see on Sunday. 6.15 - football ends; right, here we go - British superbikes.
Posted 05 September 2001 - 18:48
Originally posted by MattSmith
And they ignored me.
Then Harass Them!
Posted 05 September 2001 - 19:09