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#1 unrepentant lurker

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Posted 17 September 2001 - 20:03

Hi y'all,

I need some clarification about rules for counting which finishes counted towards the championship. They started out in 1950 with the best 4 finishes, and progressed to something like the best x in each half of the season and finally to everything counts.

Also, in the CC they used to only count one car, then went for 2?

Anyway, if someone could give me the Readers Digest version, I would be much indebted.

Thanks

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#2 Vitesse2

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Posted 17 September 2001 - 21:18

1950-3 Best 4 results
1954-6 Best 5 results
1957 Best 4 results
1958 Best 6 results
1959 Best 5 results
1960 Best 6 results
1961-2 Best 5 results
1963-5 Best 6 results
1966 Best 5 results
1967 Best 5 results from races 1-6 plus best 4 from races 7-11
1968 Best 5 results from races 1-6 plus best 5 from races 7-12
1969 As 1967
1970 Best 6 results from races 1-7 plus best 5 from races 8-13
1971 As 1967
1972 As 1968
1973-4 Best 7 results from races 1-8 plus best 6 from races 9-15
1975 Best 7 results from races 1-8 plus best 5 from races 9-14
1976 Best 7 results from races 1-8 plus best 7 from races 9-16
1977 Best 8 results from races 1-9 plus best 7 from races 10-17
1978 As 1976
1979 Best 4 results from races 1-7 plus best 4 from races 8-15
1980 Best 5 results from races 1-7 plus best 5 from races 8-14
1981-90 Best 11 results
1991- All results count

And in the Constructors Championship they changed the scoring rules in 1979 - from then on all top 6 finishes counted towards the points total, but the same season total rules apply.:stoned: :stoned:

#3 unrepentant lurker

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Posted 18 September 2001 - 05:37

Thanks Vitesse

#4 nrp

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Posted 18 September 2001 - 15:42

Also:

1950-1959: No points for sixth place, but one point for fastest lap.
1950-1960: 8 points for a win.
1961-1990: 9 points for a win.
1991-present: 10 points for a win.

The CC started in 1958. As far as I can tell, only one car per team counted at first, with no points counting for the Indy 500 from 1958-1960. Starting in 1979, both cars started scoring points towards the CC, and all results counted.

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Posted 18 September 2001 - 16:17

Vitesse seems to have covered the drivers championship pretty comprehensively. But in the constructors championship, there a few minor oddities which could do with clarification:

1) As I recall, in the 60's, constructors points went to a chassis/engine combination, (e.g. Cooper Climax, Cooper Maserati, Cooper Ferrari, were three different constructors). I further recall that many publications used to get this wrong, and forget about the points scored by the less common combination, or wrongly ascribe them to the chassis manufacturer.

At some point along the way, this rule must have been changed. Or has it? I just checked out a couple of refs for 1984: Autocourse has Arrows scoring 6 points, Mike Lang's "Grand Prix" has Arrows-BMW 3, Arrows-Ford 3. Who is right?

2) I have never seen any constructors championship table which includes Indy cars. So presumably Indianpolis used to count for the drivers championship only (did it?). In which case, in 1958, 59 and 60 there were actually different numbers of rounds in the two championships (though Vitesse's 'best of' figures did apply to both).

3) Constructors never used to get the 'fastest lap' point, only drivers.

#6 unrepentant lurker

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Posted 18 September 2001 - 18:58

Originally posted by rod
At some point along the way, this rule must have been changed. Or has it? I just checked out a couple of refs for 1984: Autocourse has Arrows scoring 6 points, Mike Lang's "Grand Prix" has Arrows-BMW 3, Arrows-Ford 3. Who is right?


Thats a good question. I'd imagine it was something covered in the Concord agreement, which disallowed privateers and "customer" chassis(?).

Wasn't it 90 or 91 when Porsche made their ill fated attempt to return to F1 and were dumped halfway through the season by the team?

#7 Don Capps

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Posted 18 September 2001 - 19:44

Until the Concorde Agreement ceased the practice, each chassis-engine combination was considered a "constructor" so separate points for Cooper - Climax, Cooper - Maserati, Cooper - Ferrari and so forth. Also, Indy cars did get constructor points, but few seemed to realize this even at the time. As to when the practice of only awarding the points to the chassis went into effect, I don't recall but not certain if it was an immediate thing or the Concorde Agreement had a later start date for that. Certainly it wasn't any later than 1984 or 1985 and perhaps even 1981 or 1982.

#8 Vitesse2

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Posted 18 September 2001 - 21:26

Originally posted by nrp
Also:

1950-1959: No points for sixth place, but one point for fastest lap.

- Neil


Welcome to TNF Neil!

Seeing as you've brought this up, can I direct everyone's attention to Egon Thurner's thread about the 1957 French GP:

http://www.atlasf1.c...&threadid=23785

As it develops, you'll see there is a discussion about this point: it appears that what we have all taken as gospel may not necessarily be so. I did revive the thread last week, but I think people were probably distracted by other events ...:(

#9 nrp

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Posted 19 September 2001 - 09:41

Interesting thread, Vitesse2. Will we ever get the truth? :)

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#10 Per Swanholm (Ferrari)

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Posted 20 September 2001 - 19:27

About Porsche, it was in 1991 serving Footwork with engines. It ended after the Mexican Grand Prix that year, when the team switched to Ford Cosworth DFR V8's. The results for the team with the Prosche engines where as follows:

Michele Alboreto
USA retire engine
Brazil not qualified
San Marino not qualified
Monaco retire engine
Canada retire throttle
Mexico retire engine

Alex Caffi
USA not qualified
Brazil not qualified
San Marino not qualified
Monaco not qualified

Stefan Johansson
Canada retire throttle
Mexico not qualified

(Sorry about the bad looking tables):blush: