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#501 tedwentz

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 14:37

Originally posted by Mallory Dan

And Ted, sorry to repeat an earlier question, but how was the T450 ATS car you used occasionally in 76, was it the bad lot it appeared to be??


The ATS car really wasn't too bad, Gunter Schmidt of ATS had asked me to come over and drive the car for the May race at Salzburg in Austria. He picked me up in Frankfurt in his brand new 911 Turbo which he proceeded to demonstrate the top speed of on a rain soaked autobahn. He kept the needle well north of 200KPH the entire way. I don't know which was wetter my palms or the road. He just sat there without his seatbelt on chatting about the old days when he raced Nikki Lauda in SuperVees. I don't know about you guys, but I'm a terrible passenger, and that trip didn't end soon enough.

Since Salzburg is in the mountains it rained off and on for the race meeting. Quali was mostly in the dry and I was keen to try out the vaunted BMW M Power. The car handled pretty well, but the preperation was nowhere near what I was used too, so we wasted a lot of time messing about with silly things. I think that Schmidt only had the one engine and he has quite adamant about strictly observing the rev limit. Every time I came into the pits he would poke his head into the cockpit to get a real good look at the tell tale on the rev limiter. Once he gave me a bollicking for exceeding the limit by 50 revs. After that I learned how to reach under the panel and reset the tell tale button on the back straight. I figured it was better for his blood pressure and mine.

I don't remember where we qualified, but it wasn't too shabby. The V6 Renaults were the class of the field and were pretty much untouchable on the long straights, but the Lola handled well and with BMW power was among the best of the rest. There was rain at some point and I remember a kink on the back straight that needed to be taken flat. The problem was that there was a steep mountain upslope on the left and a torrent of water came down the slope and ran in a small river across the track dead in the middle of the kink. All of the fast boys just sucked it up and hammered though there flat with the real end twitching away until coming upon a drier piece of road. To this day I can't believe we did this stuff.

Eventually my M Power lump unpowered and that was that. The car was certainly competitive and with a bit of testing could've been a contender. I next drove for the team again at a Formula Libre race at Brands at the end of the season. We were quickest in one of the wet practice sessions, but I don't remember what happened in the race. Schmidt never really made a proper commitment to the F2 series and I don't think his results fairly reflect on the car.

However, at the end of the season John Reid of Holbay had obtained the rights to a Lampredi designed inline 6 cylinder engine. Lola very much wanted to see this engine campaigned in the 1977 F2 season in one of its cars. I was asked to come up to Snetterton on a typically cold Norfolk October day and test the engine in a T450. The whole package was quite exotic with the very short inline six canted over at what looked like 45 degrees. The sound was absolutely glorious. It has the beautifully crisp throttle response that these injected two liter cars were famous for and felt like it would rev forever. It was a delight to drive. We quickly got down to some really competitive lap times because the car was so beautifully balanced. It also had amazing power. John Reid and Eric Broadley were both there that day and decided on the spot that all we needed was some proper funding and we would campaign the car for the '77 season as a works Lola Holbay. Sadly the funding was never found.

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#502 David M. Kane

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 14:47

If only, it would have been interesting to say the least to see you in a full F2 season.

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 03:52

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Ted about to gobble up Derek Cook, while chased by Tony Rouff and Alo Lawler, and Tony Rouff with the much-campaigned Boxer with its own ground-effect skirts.

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"In the late seventies, a UK based Formula Atlantic driver named Alo Lawler had a bus based transporter that was supposedly ex Dan Gurney. My very first experience in motor racing was a trip to the ceremonial scrutineering in Dublin for the Phoenix Park races in that bus. It came about as follows. The local petrol station in the area of Dublin I grew up in was owned by the father of Bernard Devaney, who was doing very well in UK FF at the time. I suppose through Bernard, Alo Lawler based himself out of the petrol station when he came to do the Leinster Trophy and the Phoenix Park on consecutive weekends in '78 or '79. My brother worked at the petrol station so after school everyday I went to see to bright yellow Chevron B29. The team mechanic, one Colin Bennet, was very freindly and allowed me to sit in the car everyday for a week. When thursday night came and time to go across town to the scrutineering, Mr. Bennet, much to the horror of my older brother, invited me along for the ride. It was one of those dearly cherished memories".

I posted this elsewhere but this pic of Alo Lawlers B29 brought it all back.

#504 Alan Cox

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 08:21

A couple more shots to remind Mo of "...one of those dearly cherished memories"

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#505 Gerald Swan

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 11:43

Hello Ted, I was talking to Bob Marston yesterday and he would very much like to get in touch with you again for a chat about the good old days :). If you would like to contact me at gerald@lolaheritage.co.uk I can let you have his contact details.

Gerald.

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 17:35

Hi Ted, just got back off holiday, I'm really pleased to see your stories, but how about some funny tales as well as the technical stuff, those that you can tell anyhow!

Those were great days weren't they, and I think most of us had good fun and were great friends on and off the track. Do you remember John Nic's wedding?

Good to hear from you,

Cheers,

#507 MoMurray

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 19:22

Thanks Alan.

Mo

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 04:57

Ted
It is fascinating to read your recollections of the Lola T460.I wonder if you have any recollections of the development of the T560 other than that already mentioned? It would also be interesting if you could expand your thoughts on the T360 and its development.
Colin

#509 tedwentz

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 16:17

Originally posted by Fris the Whizz
Those were great days weren't they, and I think most of us had good fun and were great friends on and off the track. Do you remember John Nic's wedding?


Great days and even better nights.
I must've partied a little too hearty at Johnny Nick's wedding, because I remember being there, but that's about it. I think that Bruno poured me one too many.

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 12:19

[QUOTE] from David Kane
I know Val Musetti was a movie Stuntman what kind of driver was he? I remember visiting his mother's Italian Restaurant with Tom Pumpelly, Mike Wilds, James Hunt et al one year when we were at the Race Car Show.
Ted might even have been with us.



Now this story has some very BIG gaps, and some memories may be a little blurred for one reason or another. I think it must have been 1973, maybe 74. I took a train from Rugby with my mate Jim Cooke, down to London for said "Racing Car Show" Jim used to help me at meetings, drive my lorry etc, unless he'd been out on the pop the night before, in which case I would have to drive!

I can remember absolutely nothing about the Show, except that us F.Atlantic drivers were invited by the wonderful Ron Carnell of Duckhams oils to a get together at a house they owned nearby. At said time we all trooped along to the house, it was a mews type house, the room upstairs was full of antique furniture etc, a large table was set with sandwiches and refreshments. I got talking to a guy called Chris Skeaping, I wonder whatever happened to him, he was a bit of a rebel as I recall. He was leaning on the (antique) table with all the food on. As we spoke the table broke and all the food went on the floor, most embarrassing! I can't remember any more, but I think from there we moved onto Val Mussetti's Mums restaurant, "Il Cucciolo" 12 Denman Street W1, just off Piccadilly Circus.

I think there were two tables full of Atlantic drivers, mates, wives, lovers whatever. On our table I remember Johnny Nic and Dave Morgan. After the meal they produced this drink I'd never come across (remember I live in the sticks, north of Watford), Sambuca, little tumblers full of the stuff. Well I didn't realise the stuff was alight and spilt it all over my hand, to the great amusement of everyone else! Fortunately a bit of "racing driver" instinct had the fire quickly under control with no ill effects!

I can vaguely remember that we went out of there to an NCP car park, or whatever they were then, and I think John Nic was driving with Dave Morgan laying across his bonnet. He tried following the car in front (one of our lot) through the barrier before it could close..................unsuccessfully. The barrier came down trapping Dave on the bonnet until the money was paid and he was released!

Now it must have been about 1.30 or so in the morning by this time, Jim and I made it back (can't remember how) to Euston Station, rather stupidly expecting to jump on a train back to Rugby..........No such luck I'm afraid, the next one was the Milk train at about 7.00 am or something, so we had to sleep the night at the Station, ..............some hope of that. It would have been easy enough considering the booze, but the bloody rail cops kept coming round and waking us up, thinking (perhaps correctly, as it happens) that we were vagrants.

I've never been so pleased to get back home to my own bed, sorry about all the gaps, I'm hoping that Ted might enlighten us?

Over to you Ted....................

Cheers.

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 12:26

And there I was, thinking Atlantic drivers were all a bunch of dedicated, clean-living, tee-total professionals.... another myth shattered. Nice one, Geoff!

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 12:31

[QUOTE] From Ted Wentz

Great days and even better nights.
I must've partied a little too hearty at Johnny Nick's wedding, because I remember being there, but that's about it. I think that Bruno poured me one too many.


Hi Ted,

Here's some (poor) photos taken at Bruno's 80th Birthday, September 1992. John phoned me out of the blue after about 20 or so years and asked me down. The photos show Bruno, then Dave Morgan, spinning yet another yarn, 'Little Cyd' Williams and me, then me John Nic and Cyd! Bruno was accompanied by his 30 or so year old wife (and baby if IRC)!

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#513 David M. Kane

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 15:43

What a fine looking lot!

#514 Mallory Dan

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 16:45

Fris, you mentioned Chris Skeaping, we've discussed him on here before. He had a VERY chequered past I gather....and not at all pleasant.

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 17:14

Great story about the Atlantic party, Geoff. Mmm, nice sweater, too! Hope Ted can follow up with even greater insight as to what makes a top-line Atlantic racer...

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 23:09

Does anyone know more about Wes Dawn?

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 23:17

Originally posted by David M. Kane
Does anyone know more about Wes Dawn?

As David has resurected this thread again, and my contributions are minimal a good opportunity for me to show this photo again!! :wave:
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#518 David M. Kane

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 23:45

Thanks Picblanc is this photo of Wes from 1973? Gil Nickle was BTW a big supporter of the Sport here in the US.

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 23:53

Originally posted by David M. Kane
Thanks Picblanc is this photo of Wes from 1973? Gil Nickle was BTW a big supporter of the Sport here in the US.


Its 1975 David.
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 03:22

Originally posted by David M. Kane
Does anyone know more about Wes Dawn?


I remember meeting Wes about 1977 when he ran Atlantics at Long Beach. If I remember right he was a makeup artist for the movies and he also was a partner in a company called "Twos Company" that built and modified cars for the film industry. I seem to remember he did some IMSA races in, I think, a Porsche 924 GT.

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 11:45

Here's just a few pictures of my fairly indistinquished days in Indylantic.

Picture one is of the Brabham that caused the guys at Autosport so many problems (because of the slogan on the side).

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Picture two marks an historic landmark in British Motor Racing - Can anyone tell me what it is, and Alan Cox and Simon Arron are barred from answering this because they might remember the answer!

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Picture three is the Sana, with me trying to go around the outside of Ken Bailey or Alo Lawler at Lodge Corner.... Oh alright then, the truth is that I was being lapped of course!

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 12:11

[QUOTE]Originally posted by David Winstanley
[B]Here's just a few pictures of my fairly indistinquished days in Indylantic.

David

Don't put yourself down..... One of the most memorable practice sessions I can remember at Oulton was when you thought you would liven up the 30 minutes of the Escort Mexico practice by Rallycrossing your way around the Cheshire circuit

Mr Arron and I watched from Fosters and you would come through Cascades so quickly that you had to miss the Fosters complex out altogether; instead you had to create your own Rally Stage on the grass until you could join the tarmac at Knickerbook.

Great Stuff….but not as much fun as seeing Mr Arron’s face when he saw the practice times. I had to take him to the Medical Centre as he had gone into deep shock due to the fact that you were on the front row!!;)

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 12:56

It may have had many flaws, but the Sana just looked so neat and compact, IMO. It has that very mid-seventies compact, functional, simplistic styling elegance that the Lola T460 also had. The otherwise very handsome Chevron looks large by comparison, even if closer to the camera.

(Do any photos of the Sana sans bodywork still exist, per chance?)

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 13:16

Originally posted by David Winstanley
Picture two marks an historic landmark in British Motor Racing - Can anyone tell me what it is, and Alan Cox and Simon Arron are barred from answering this because they might remember the answer!


Welcome to TNF, David. It's been a long time.

The picture is from the Indylantic race at Croft in 1976 - I remember it well, I was spectating at the chicane that wonderfully sunny afternoon. I probably have a picture somewhere too, but I've still to find about ninety percent of my motor racing stuff, sadly.

Hope you are well - really good to see you here. :up:

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 15:28

Hi Phil, Hi MCS,

The day and circuit are right of course but what happened after I hit the chicane is the landmark in British motorsport, not the fact that the sun was shining!

And Phil, Of course I remember that day well. My car had been prepared by Wainwrights earlier in the season and I was always 11th or 12th in the results. Eventually Cal Withers lost patience with me and put Gerry Marshall in the car at Brands. I think Gerry finished 13th and told Cal that the car was a heap of junk. After testing on Wednesday at Oulton where I was my usual 2 seconds of the pace, Cal then gave it to Cyd Williams to prepare and on the Saturday you saw the result. I was actually going through Cascades flat, and that was the days when the armco was next to the circuit. I tried going through Druids flat as well but spun! After practice I was looking at the lower end of the times as usual and couldn't see a time for me until someone said '*******' hell Winstanley how did you manage that - and it was purely down to someone setting up the car properly!

#526 David M. Kane

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 15:40

David:

Great story, funny how that set-up thing works! :up:

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 16:11

Originally posted by David Winstanley
Picture two marks a historic landmark in British Motor Racing - Can anyone tell me what it is, and Alan Cox and Simon Arron are barred from answering this because they might remember the answer!

David

Sorry, I'm going to ignore the ban...

Were you the first driver to clock up 1,000 spins at the Croft chicane before the end of May? Or did you cause the first use of the Indylantic pace car? I wasn't there (I have yet to make it to Croft for an event of any kind), but I have vague recollections of pace cars being as much a part of Indylantic protocol as badly driven BT40s.

Incidentally, the Sana shot shows you being passed by Ken Bailey. I suspect Rainford and I are probably just out of shot, drinking lukewarm Thermos coffee on one of the Lodge grandstand's crumbling planks.

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 18:07

David, for a demolition job on the Croft chicane it doesn't look nearly as bad as some I've seen [was the chicane in fact designed to explode when hit?] Maybe they were desperate to use the thing and needed someone to just give it a nudge.
But yes, Simon if disqualified is nonetheless first on the road, that Indyatlantic 'safety car' has to be the first use of such a device in British racing

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#529 Rob Ryder

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 21:53

Go on David, give us the dates & circuits of your great pics (I can't tie them up with the results on ORC).

1st photo : Oulton?
2nd photo : no problem.. my local.. Croft 31 May 1976.
3rd photo : obvioulsy Oulton, but ORC has Ken Bailey DNA and Cyd Williams in the #69 Sana (16/10/76)??

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 09:27

Unfortunately, my programme from the October 16 1976 Oulton meeting appears not to be in the cardboard box/treasure trove by my desk, so I can't double-check any of Rob's thoughts. The pic in question definitely contains Messrs Bailey and Winstanley, however. Could that be John Bicht just behind them? The number and car combinations don't tally with any Gp8 or Open Single Seater entries I can find from 1976, so I suspect it might well be the Indylantic event.

Meanwhile, here are three surviving fragments from 16/10/76, just the 31 (and a bit) years ago...
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Mike King's Bruach Lola T360. Is that Mr King in the background, to the left?

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Surtees TS15 in the paddock: Steve Carvill's aluminium working quarters.

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Martin Birrane (Chevron B29). Sadly, I don't appear to have any shots of the Winstanley Sana to verify its presence.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 10:20

Steve Carvill.... now wasn't he supposed to be the Next Big Thing, or was that just a load of hype on the part of his mentor Peter Wardle?

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 11:35

The programme that we used for the ORC results of Oulton 16 Oct 76 was exceptionally well annotated.
The spectator had even clearly filled in the grids and full results for the sprint qualifying heats which is almost unheard of...

Bailey is entered there at no 12, not 62 as he's running in David's photo, and is crossed out in biro.
Cyd William is marked as the driver in the Withers Sana, and IIRC is also mentioned in the press as he was eliminated in a multiple shunt in the early stages of the final.

Could the picture be from the Oulton round of the G8 series in early 77, the meeting where Alo Lawler flipped his Lola 462?
Bailey still had the B29 that year. What happened to the Sana? I know that Andy Barton bought one in early 78 and I believe it's now in South Africa.

Of course, it's perfectly possible that our spectator, in crossing Bailey out at #12 forgot to write him in at #62, and to change Cyd Williams over to David, who had driven the car at Brands the previous round I think. But neither 12 or 62 appears on the grids, so if Bailey was there it may only have been for practice, saving David from the indignity of being lapped!

[Simon, I think that the current owner of the Mike King Lola [T360-HU18] might appreciate that photo. I'll draw it to his attention.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 12:04

Chris, I think Andy B got the Withers Sana in mid-77, not 78. He ran it as the Sana to start with, then it became the Barton JTB3 either from late 77 or the start of 78. I don't think David ran the Sana in the early 77 Oulton G8 race, so I guess the pic is from the late 76 Indylantic. The car behind David and Ken B, I agree, doesn't look like a B29, the Swift quite possible I'd say.

As for Steve Carvill, a close friend of Wardle's I hear...

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 12:06

Chris

I looked at the 1977 G8 programmes. No sign of Ken Bailey or David W. I have also trawled through my "filing system" again, in an unsuccessful bid to trace the Indylantic paperwork. I suspect we need Mr Winstanley to solve the riddle. If he responds to this as quickly as he used to drive the Sana, we should know the answer by the time Lewis Hamilton's grandchildren take up karting...

SA

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 12:13

Very harsh Simon! I sat alongside David in a Metro 6R4 on a Rallytrack/Corporate Day some years ago, he seemed quick enough to me then. He was also very surprised, and impressed I think, that I remembered the Agent project to him (he probably thought 'what a sad pratt this bloke is...).

Hope to see him tomorrow evening??

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 12:30

Originally posted by Simon Arron
Chris

I looked at the 1977 G8 programmes. No sign of Ken Bailey or David W. I have also trawled through my "filing system" again, in an unsuccessful bid to trace the Indylantic paperwork. I suspect we need Mr Winstanley to solve the riddle. If he responds to this as quickly as he used to drive the Sana, we should know the answer by the time Lewis Hamilton's grandchildren take up karting...

SA


I have a vague recall of David's first race in the Sana being a libre event at Oulton. Could that be it?

David, do you remember?

#537 David Winstanley

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 14:49

I think that it could have been a Libre race (as I don't remember ever doing an Atlantic race in it although I do remember doing one of those combined G8 races, but that could have been in the Brabham) and I think I retired after hitting someone that I was lapping - don't laugh Arron!! And as for the Croft incident, what made it 'historic' is that it was the first time that a pace/safety car had EVER been used in the UK!

#538 David M. Kane

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 16:30

Picblanc et al:

Any idea who prepared Wes Dawn's Atlantic car in England? I'm trying to trace the history of my 741. He's the one who bought it to the US along with a 742.

Thanks everybody.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 23:56

I think, if my memory serves me correctly, but please bear in mind that I was only 10 at the time! That David's quite right, I think the photo of his Sana and my dad was a libre race, THis was the final race that Ken took part in: pole, won the race, fastest lap and lapped most of the field! A proper way to retire!!

Ken's penultimate race was also a libre race at Oulton where he was again on pole but it was teeming down in the race and he finished 2nd to a guy in an F3 car I can't remember his name I'm afraid. I think Davina Galica was also in that race too.

Ken didn't take part in the final Indyatalntic race at oulton, I remember watching with him at old Hall and again if I'm right didn't Ted Wentz break a drive shaft on the line as the flag fell?

Ken didn't compete at all in 1977 having sold the car at the end of 1976 to one Eddie Jordan Esq.

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#540 Simon Arron

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 07:18

Hi David

Thanks for your input. I think the correct answer, then, is probably the MCD Open Single Seater race at Oulton Park on October 2 1976. I can't find the programme, but the pic below confirms your dad's presence in Chevron B29 #62 (car park looks busy).

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Judging from the largely blurry images my 15-year-old fingers captured, rivals included Janet McPherson (McLaren M19), Kim Mather (March 742), Jim Evans (Chevron B24 - or possibly a B28, I probably couldn't tell even if the picture was properly sharp), Warren Booth (Lotus 69), Ian Stronach (McRae GM1), José de Uriarte (March 752) and, obviously, the oft-mentioned Mr Winstanley.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 08:46

Hi David, welcome to TNF...............I think you should get Ken involved, get his fingers working on that keyboard. I've told him that we WILL meet up this year, the sooner the better. My best wishes to him and of course you and family. For those that don't know, Ken was incredibly under rated, but far too nice to do anything about it........a true Gentleman on and even more so off the track.

Cheers,

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 09:26

Originally posted by Fris the Whizz
Hi David, welcome to TNF...............I think you should get Ken involved, get his fingers working on that keyboard. I've told him that we WILL meet up this year, the sooner the better. My best wishes to him and of course you and family. For those that don't know, Ken was incredibly under rated, but far too nice to do anything about it........a true Gentleman on and even more so off the track.

Cheers,


David is obviously following his fathers footsteps as he is too modest to point out that's he's the 2007 NW Pre 90 Formula Ford Champion :)

Good to have you here and congratulations for such a good season.

Cheers,

Alan Raine

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:06

Ken Bailey has a unique distinction for me - he was the first racing driver I ever saw wearing a baseball cap. And at Rufforth too - a double distinction, if you like. Probably the first one seen at that windswept venue.

Very good driver too, of course, and one I always enjoyed watching in all kinds of cars. I hope he's keeping well these days.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:10

:lol: What a memory you have Ian!

It was white, wasn't it? And I'm sure Ken used to smoke a pipe as well.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:13

Originally posted by MCS
And I'm sure Ken used to smoke a pipe as well.


Still does.

#546 ian senior

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:30

Originally posted by MCS
[BIt was white, wasn't it? And I'm sure Ken used to smoke a pipe as well. [/B]


Might be wrong, but I seem to remember blue or dark red. Perhaps Ken had a wardrobe full of the things. It was the novelty of it that surprised me - one of those great "what the hell is that?" moments.

#547 Fris the Whizz

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 12:44

Ken told me a few years back that he'd fall over without his pipe in his mouth! He had to drive quickly to stop his head dropping!

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#548 Mallory Dan

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 14:06

Back to that great pic of Simon's for a second. So if we think the race is the Libre on October 2nd, could the car following Ken and David be Warren's Lotus 69. Looks like one anyway. 3 F5000s, 2 old F2s, some Atlantics, and no doubt the odd F3/FSV/FF2000. What would we give to go back to those days!

Slightly off topic, anyone know why Mike King was entered by "Bruach Racing"?

#549 Simon Arron

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 14:18

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Back to that great pic of Simon's for a second. So if we think the race is the Libre on October 2nd, could the car following Ken and David be Warren's Lotus 69. Looks like one anyway. 3 F5000s, 2 old F2s, some Atlantics, and no doubt the odd F3/FSV/FF2000. What would we give to go back to those days!

It was actually a Winstanley-supplied pic, sadly, rather than one of mine. The Booth Lotus was red and black, though, rather than white, so it wasn't that. It might have been John Bicht getting in a bit of practice ahead of the Indylantic meeting, perhaps?

OSS events used to feature everything from FF1600 cars to F1 cast-offs. I'm sure we'd all love to go back to those days, except 1) my 10-speed Raleigh Scorpio has probably rusted, 2) my sandwiches will have gone mouldy and 3) I'll no longer be old enough to get served legally in The Red Lion.

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#550 Phil Rainford

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 17:00

Going back to a time when Mr Arron’s sandwiches were still edible and Indylantic was launched on an unsuspecting public.

Did the Series not begin with plans to parade the cars through the nearest major town the day before each race? I am sure I remember a picture of the cars driving through the centre of Darlington before the first round of the Championship at Croft.

Can anyone confirm I am not going mad :confused: ….and if indeed this was a pre –race ritual did it continue all season?

Kind regards

Phil