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#601 Fris the Whizz

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 09:20

I'm glad we're back to racing and not pop singers!

Cheers,

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#602 Mallory Dan

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 10:23

Originally posted by Alan Cox
1981. Hardly a vintage year for British Atlantic.

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Class of the field, Ray Mallock/Cliff Smith Ralt RT4

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Mallock again, and Ian Taylor/Queensgate Racing Tiga FA 81

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Carlos Ulibarri/March 80A. I wonder how many spectators were persuaded to "Visit Mexico" as result of Carlos' efforts on the British circuits.

And, finally, one for Dan from the previous year, David Leslie
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Agree on RT4s men, lovely looker. Btw, is that Iron Man Andy behind Leslie in the '80 pic? The March 80A looks well too doesn't it, I've never seen that car in that colour before.

#603 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 18:22

Originally posted by Fris the Whizz
I'm glad we're back to racing and not pop singers!


Hear, hear, Geoff!
Agreed, Dan, that 80A looks good - what an amazing overhang was allowed on those rear wings.

#604 tedwentz

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 22:48

Originally posted by Phil Rainford
[B]While sorting through some boxes that have remained unopened since we moved house some five years ago ...... I came across an old autograph book

As you can see from these two adjoining pages from the book even in 1975 Geoff and Ted’s contributions were in sequence. (Ted has kindly both dated his autograph and given Formula Atlantic a name check!)

I can't believe I ever wrote that neatly.
Thanks Phil for the flashback!

#605 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:35

This photo was apparantly posted in the wrong forum. Therefore re-posted and shown with the kind permission of Ted Walker at Ferret who owns the copyright and taken by my friend Mike Dixon who lives about 400 yards from me, 'Autosport' snapper and journalist at Snetterton and other circuits in the '60s/70s.

Snetterton in 1973. The field storms into the hairpin at the end of the long Norwich straight.
Vandervell leads Fris and Johnny Nick with Purley hard on the brakes on the inside. Stan Matthews (someone I have known for 40 years - and I'm only 48!) in the distance in his 73B. When I first studied this, I thought there were two hay stacks in the distance to the left ( being rural agricultural East anglia). It is infact the old Riches grandstand, the gap being the doorway at the back of the stand. Superb shot, can almost hear those BDAs!
Fris won this one...an event I am going to do as a painting later in the year (and a short run print).
Jonathan Palmer, please buy out the market and give us our proper Snetterton back!

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#606 Stephen W

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 18:51

Just revisited this tread and bumped it because of the interesting photo!

Thread merge with the newer one?

#607 Twin Window

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 22:12

Originally posted by Stephen W

Thread merge with the newer one?

Yep; thanks, Stephen.



#608 Fris the Whizz

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 16:30

...an event I am going to do as a painting later in the year (and a short run print).



Can't wait to see the finished article, Andrew..............

(I would have replied earlier, but lost the thread now it's combined, I wish I'd been told!)

Cheers,

#609 David McKinney

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 14:55

From the 1978 Long Beach race:
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Fred Opert team Chevron line-up

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Rosberg’s Chevron. He also drove in the F1 GP on the same weekend

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Divina Galica in another Opert Chevron

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Canadian Bill Brack led the March opposition

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Ton Gloy’s March 77B

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This - obviously - is the Excalibur EE2B (Rick Koehler)

#610 Jerry Entin

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 18:59

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Tom Glory's March 76B as it appears today.
Fellow forum member Dave Kane is current owner.

#611 Alan Cox

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 19:12

Lovely pictures, Mr McKinney - can we expect more from the same source??

#612 David McKinney

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 19:37

As time permits...

#613 Jerry Entin

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 19:42

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This is from Riverside 1966 ARRC Race Nov. 27, 1966.
This race was won by Don Morin in the #101 Brabham and the pole-sitter was Dr. Lou Sell in a LeGrand. Lou Sell was a DNF.
photo Davey Jordon collection- research Rick Hayden

#614 David M. Kane

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 20:14

Jerry:

Does anyone know Nick Craw? He use to run FB races in the day. He is the former head of the SCCA and he is now the ACCUS rep to the FIA.

The front two rows are a Brabham BT-21 with a teammate behind him and the Lotus 48s (?) in pos 2 and 4 are painted similarly, so they could be part of another team?

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 21:13

From the 1990 Montreal GP - some F/A shots:

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Our pal JO Cunningham late-braking into the hairpin, I think the red car to his left is Claude Bourbonnais.
They had a great dual in the beginning, but Jocko came out on top, eventually winning the race.
Wish I had a shot of his pass around Claude - in nearly the same spot with 2 wheels on the lawn!!

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...Jocko in the lead!

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The gang watching the GP on Sunday - Jocko is in the light blue hat...

#616 David M. Kane

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 00:42

Richard:

They had some great races in Montreal, I always thought Claude B would go further than he did career-wise.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 02:07

Claude was pretty quick and smart about driving but, he was the teammate of Jacques and probably got overshadowed a bit. Another factor perhaps, there were some other strong drivers in F/A at the time vying for the vacating seats in Lights or the upper levels. He had shown some promise in '96 with Indy Lights when he ran against Salles, Castro Neves, Kannan, Empringham and Co - he finished 4th that year. We didn't hear much from him after his Indy appearance and stint in CART a year later... It's tough at top.

There was a lot of outstanding talent in Atlantics, many had the desire, but there was the "contact" element then as today. Got to have or get, the complete package to a make a career out of it.

...trying to remember Jocko's engineers' name... Steve somebody - the guy was a total wiz - in Montreal '89 I saw him swap out a rear in the hot-pit lane in what seemed like mere minutes. He was instrumental in bringing Jocko that '89 (West) Championship. They ran the whole season with no major sponsor on only 300k. He told us the top teams teams were spending more than twice that - fairly impressive given the competition at the time.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 07:59

Originally posted by David M. Kane
Richard:

They had some great races in Montreal, I always thought Claude B would go further than he did career-wise.

My tip in that class of racing was David Empringham, now HE didn't get anywhere, did he?

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 09:38

Originally posted by fines

My tip in that class of racing was David Empringham, now HE didn't get anywhere, did he?



He's still racing - after his single seater career ground to a halt he disappeared from the racing scene for a while and resurfaced in the Grand-Am Cup (now Koni Challenge) which he won in 2005. I wonder if David wasn't a bit too old when he chalked up his Atlantic/Lights successes - he was in his early 30s when he won Lights, a good few years older than a lot of the guys trying to move up. Certainly a very quick driver and recognised as the class of the field for a few years. It is a pity he couldn't make it up to CART or IRL - I'm sure he would've been right up there with the 'establishment' teams and drivers.

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#620 Phil Rainford

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 20:25

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Lovely pictures, Mr McKinney - can we expect more from the same source??


Totally agree... looking forward to the next episode :up:

Kind regards

Phil

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 20:27

Great shots David, thanks - those were some fun times at the LBGP back then.

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#622 David McKinney

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 12:27

Long Beach 1980
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Kevin Cogan

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Tom Gloy

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Jeff Wood and Dan Marvin

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Bob Earl and Jon Mortensen

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Dave McMillan

#623 David M. Kane

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 16:53

Seeing these photos really bring home the point on how far open-wheel racing has fallen in the USA. What a tragedy.

BTW I think Dave McMillan is currently running an Infiniti Pro Team.

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 17:39

Originally posted by David McKinney
From the 1978 Long Beach race:
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Fred Opert team Chevron line-up

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Rosberg’s Chevron. He also drove in the F1 GP on the same weekend

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Divina Galica in another Opert Chevron


Nice pics of the B45's. My family owns one of those cars and these pictures will be a great addition to our (unfortuantly) small period collection. Very useful for restoring period bodywork!

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#625 Alan Cox

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 17:41

The day that the Irish Atlantic crew invaded Donington Park April 23rd 1978

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Eddie Jordan/Chevron B29 and Patsy McGarrity with the much-raced March 772P

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Ken Fildes/March 73B and John Eastwood with the ex-Alo Lawler Lola T462

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Des Donnelly/Modus M3 and Mike Nugent, ex-Dicksons of Perth Modus M3

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 17:46

Originally posted by David McKinney
As time permits...



Yes, please if you have more pics of the '78 Opert Chevrons, we could use them for our collection. Thank you!


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#627 David McKinney

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 19:39

I think you've had your lot as far as 1978 is concerned
At least one of the Opert cars that year was a B39 - perhaps two

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 00:40

Originally posted by David McKinney
I think you've had your lot as far as 1978 is concerned
At least one of the Opert cars that year was a B39 - perhaps two


Keke ran the B45 at Long Beach and the rest of the Opert Camp (Elgh, Crawley, Galica) all ran B39's.


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Posted 17 March 2008 - 08:49

Great photos :) Love those pink Chevrons! Which gives me a thought-would like to see more colour shots of those N.American street races.Does anyone have any photos or info on a one off F.Atlantic race at St.Johns ,Newfoundland in 1974?

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 09:49

Originally posted by Rob29
Great photos :) Love those pink Chevrons! Which gives me a thought-would like to see more colour shots of those N.American street races.Does anyone have any photos or info on a one off F.Atlantic race at St.Johns ,Newfoundland in 1974?

I haven't given my 1974 data to Allen to post on ORC yet (too many gaps) but here's a sneak preview of a mostly complete St Johns race with the bulk of the data coming from Canadian Motorsport Bulletin. IF anyone does have material from 1974 [a full set of Autoweek reports would be useful, as would organisers result sheets...] please get in touch.

1: Tom Klausler #63 Lola T360 [HU2] BDA Smith 70 laps 56 min, 47.313 secs
2: Howdy Holmes #8 Chevron B27 [27.74.15]-BDA Hart 70
3: James King #22 Chevron B27 [27.74.04]-BDA Nicholson 70
4: Craig Hill #4 Brabham BT40-BDA 69 laps
5: Richard Melville Chevron B27 [27.74.08]-BDA Hart
6: Hugh Bancroft #6 Chevron B27 [27.74.05]-BDA Hart 69
7: Chip Mead #23 Chevron B27 [27.74.03]-BDA Hart 68 laps
8: Bill Brack #1 Lotus 59-BDA Hart
9: Tim Cooper March 73B-BDA Williams [car used by Roy Folland in 1973, then by Eppie Weitzes at 1973 US GP support race, more info!!]
10: Peter Broeker Chevron B27 [27.74.17]-BDA Greatorex
11: Bruce Jensen #41 March 74B [6]-BDA 68 laps broken fuel pump
12: Peter Ferguson #3 Chevron B20 [20.72.07]-BDA
13: Hugh Cree Brabham BT35-BDA
14: Fred Beyer Brabham BT35-BDA [ex Al Justasson]
15: Al Justasson #32 Rondel M1 [206]-BDA
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David Loring March 74B [3]-BDA Greatorex
Bobby Brown Chevron B27 [27.74.18]-BDA Smith
Gary Magwood Lola T360 [HU6]-BDA Hart
Syd Demovsky March 74B [4]-BDA Greatorex
Mauro Lanaro March 71BM [10]-Ford t/c
Bill Eagles Brabham BT40-Ford t/c?
George MacDonald McLaren M4B-Ford t/c
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Charlie Gibson March 73B [71BM-15]-BDA Hart
Chris O'Brien Rondel M1 [204]-BDA
Richard Paul March 74B-Ford t/c?

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Bertil Roos Chevron B27 [left Opert team and Melville drove car]
Rick Forest March 73B
Joe Shepherd Chevron B20
Mike Hall Brabham BT40
Joe Grimaldi March 74B
Bill O'Connor Lola T360
Reg Scullion Brabham BT38
Gilles Leger March 74B
Norm Joy March 71BM [ex Ken Huband]
Paul Wheatley Chevron B18
Richard Doran GRD B72

#631 Mallory Dan

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 12:56

Originally posted by Alan Cox
The day that the Irish Atlantic crew invaded Donington Park April 23rd 1978

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Eddie Jordan/Chevron B29 and Patsy McGarrity with the much-raced March 772P

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Ken Fildes/March 73B and John Eastwood with the ex-Alo Lawler Lola T462

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Des Donnelly/Modus M3 and Mike Nugent, ex-Dicksons of Perth Modus M3


Brilliant stuff Alan, I think this race got the Brits interested again in FAt, and the rebirth in 79 resulted. When you say the muchn raced McGarrity 772P, at this stage it wasn't. It had only 1 outing for the works in F2 in 1977, at the end of year Donny race. So this would have only been its 3rd or 4th race as a guess. Both Modi were ex-Dicksons, and the white Lola following Eastwood is the ex-Trimmer T460, Joe Greenan OTOH here?

Any more?

#632 Alan Cox

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 18:49

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Any more?


Sorry, Dan, not very much more but I shall see if any others are worth posting. Yes. I appreciate that the 772P hadn't raced much at this stage, and I was wondering about adding "...which was to become the much-raced 772P"!

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Posted 12 April 2008 - 15:09

Some Formula Atlantic/Pacific questions:

1. For which team drove Nelson Piquet and John Smith in Calder 1981 (Australia GP) (Formula Pacific)?
2. For which team drove Graeme Lawrence in the Asian Formula Pacific championship in 1981?
3. I need the teams of the following driver in the New Zealand Formula Pacific championship in 1982: David Oxton, Steve Millen, Dave McMillan, Robert Handford, Ken Smith, Peter Greenfield, Eric Morgan, Mike Rosen, Tom Donovan, Bryan Hartley?
4. I need the nationalities of Robert Handford, Graham Watson, Eric Morgan, Mike Rosen, Tom Donovan (1982 F-Pacific)
5. For which team drove John Smith in the 1983 Australia Formula Pacific?

#634 Chris Townsend

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Posted 12 April 2008 - 15:44

1: Piquet entered by Gregg Siddle [Gould Racing]
John Smith own car

2: Own car, maybe with the usual Rothmans sponsorship

3: Oxton, his own car; Millen, his own car; McMillan, his own car, Handford his own car, Smith his own car, Greenfield, entered by Dave McMillan, Morgan, own car; Rosen, not sure, might be Graham Watson - this was his US series car, which he owned, but it stayed in Australia after this, even though Rosen continued to use it in the AGP; Donovan, self-entered but might be owned by Ken Smith; Hartley, own car.

4: Handford [Australian]; Watson [Australian]; Morgan [NZ]; Rosen [USA] Donovan [NZ]

5: Own car

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Posted 12 April 2008 - 15:52

:clap:

Thank you! That helps me very well!!

#636 Simon Arron

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 09:41

A few nuggets from Oulton Park, April 1981...

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Ray Mallock in his Ralt RT4 with tea-tray front wing.

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Ian Taylor and the Tiga FA81.

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Taylor in the background this time, behind the RT1 of Richard Hawkins (a Kiwi by birth, but - to the best of my knowledge - the first Altrincham-resident Formula Atlantic driver since Stephen Choularton).

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What's the collective noun for Ehrlich RP5s? Fluxie and team-mate Mark Thatcher, who is probably trying to work out if he should turn left or right upon leaving the assembly area...

#637 Mallory Dan

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 10:25

Nuggets indeed Simon, any more. Is that Dr Josef E leaning over the car? The Hawkins RT1 is one of the first ever batches of Ralts, a historic car even then! At least 'the Boy Mark' has a nice helmet, I wonder what Dear Bill made of that??

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 21:49

If someone can strap Dan down, to keep him calm, I'm about to post a bundle of 1979 Atlantic shots in the 'photos of British club racing' thread. Here's a taster...

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 17:05

Hi. Just came across this thread. I wonder does anyone want further comment on things posted some time ago in this thread? I have some comments regarding the state of things in 1976/77, why Ted Wentz left the scene, a critical difference between the U.S. tires and the European. Pictures of this and that. Even an Indylantic poster.

That wasn't me in the 1976 Croft picture. My car already had red white and blue with stars.

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#640 alansart

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 17:34

Originally posted by John Bicht
Hi. I wonder does anyone want further comment on things posted some time ago in this thread?


Yes please :)

#641 Fris the Whizz

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 18:27

Yes Please, John, I'd like to hear your thoughts of those far off days!

Cheers,

#642 John Bicht

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 19:45

Okay, that's nice. I'll start with a couple of text things, and get to pictures later.

The period of something like 1974 to 1977 or later, was a very dark time for English racing. The country was completely in the shit economically, and there was no money to spend to race. There was money on the continent but not England. As a for instance...I was working at Ogle Design in Letchworth and one of my friends was a guy who is now the head of visual design for Ford all but in the U.S. - Martin Smith. We were getting paid about 5,000 pounds a year. He had come back to the U.K. because his girl friend did not like Germany (he had worked for Porsche). He got tired of being broke and was offered a job at Audi for something like 17,000 pounds and he jumped at it. He was soon was up to the twenties and above. Not just a sign of his talent, but the extreme difference in pay scale.

I remember the test session with Ted and the Holbay F2 motor somewhat differently than Ted did. It was Bob Marsten who was there with Brian the mechanic for Lola and since I didn't know Reid of Holbay I will take Ted's word for his presence. The whole track was quite damp and puddly, and Ted's job was simply to see that the car was working okay. He went pretty quick, as you had to to know what the car was like really. The center person of the scene was a young Italian driver. This day was based around him. He had two friends, older guys, the money guys, who had overcoats that were worth about a years income for me in England. The young man, and his friends, were incredulous that Ted had not a ride for 1977! How can this be? They could not imagine that situation. No sponsors about in England was why. For a bit of perspective - the Swan Lager sponsorship only amounted to about 5,000. Lola and Swindon had to anti-up the rest. That was all there was. And then next year 1977, nothing.

So the young Italian took all afternoon to get going near as fast as Ted, and by that time the track was dead dry. Holbay had reputedly spent a quarter of a million pounds for the motor project. And Marsten and I and possibly Reid, talked at length about coming up with the money to put a serious driver (Ted) in front of this motor, and they couldn't afford it. Keep in mind that according to Lola, in conversation with me, Carl Haas owed them half a years money!! But they couldn't piss him off because he was by far the largest customer. Loss of his sales, for all the U.S. would have killed Lola. So what happened? The kid didn't like it when the motor wasn't quick right away, and it blew up a couple times. He was gone and bought a March with the standard package. The whole motor package went down the tube for lack of 15 or 20k.

Later in 77 or 78 I spoke at length many times to John Dunn, and his pet gripe with the English motor racing industry - people like Hewland and Cosworth - was that they wouldn't put money into English racing series, because they didn't believe it possible that England would loose the dominance it had as the center of racing. Which, of course it did.

The future was very bleak. Ted had no ride, and no money. I at least had a job. We were both Yanks, and last on the list for friendly type sponsors. It was going to be years before things broke loose, if ever. So he quit, and went back to the states. Mistake! You bet. But that was what I thought, not what he thought.

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 19:48

I forgot to ask what kinds of pictures were of interest. I have a couple detail shots of the Sana. I had even forgotten the name of the car. Some of my car and Ted's and Dowsett, etc.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 17:46

Originally posted by John Bicht
I forgot to ask what kinds of pictures were of interest. I have a couple detail shots of the Sana. I had even forgotten the name of the car. Some of my car and Ted's and Dowsett, etc.


Any, or indeed all, John. Welcome to TNF!

#645 John Bicht

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 22:31

Thanks for the response. Let's see if I can do this picture thing properly.

I was extremely involved in race car design back in those days. Most all aspects of it. Never got much chance to use the knowledge, except at Hawke and with my own cars. If my then wife wasn't expecting, it seemed likely that I would have seconded Maurice Phillipe at Tyrell, but I don't think I would have liked it. Anyway, this a bit of background as to why I went to Northampton to John Thompson's place to see the Sana project which was for sale at the time - probably 1977?

I hereby admit that in the last few years I have found out that my memory is no longer what I used to think it. Errors galore, probably. Correct them as you wish.

I thought the car a marvelous design from a philosophical angle. Instead of making the parts of a car as light as you could, make the parts as short/small as you could. In order to remind myself of some of the details, I took some pictures. I thought that there were many more but I probably threw them out over the years.

I found the designer and Thompson to be knowledgeable and fun. The designer had designed one of the Tecno F1 cars. He had a few pithy comments regarding Chris Amon (I think it was who drove for Tecno in those days).

Now that I have written the above I can not find out how to post an image! HELP! The FAQ pages leave me ata loss.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 09:15

Interesting stuff, John. Thanks. For a long time I've had a minor obsession with Sana designer Gordon Fowell and that sheds some interesting light on the little bit I know about him. Saving weight by making the parts small instead of fragile is a concept that I like very much. Are any of Fowell's comments on Mr Amon repeatable in public?

As for posting pictures, have you had a look at the "sticky" threads near the top of the front page? There's one about how to post images.

#647 Fris the Whizz

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 09:32

Hi John,

When I started I found it terribly difficult to post photos! I firstly opened an an account (?) with "Image Shack" (its totally free) You will need to re-size your photos to about 600 width (about 500 height). I opened a seperate picture file on my computer called Image shack, and copy any picture that I wish to post, and re-size it.

Then open Image Shack and upload the photo(s) you wish to use. There are about 9 options once it's uploaded you will need to use about the 5th one down, called "hot link for forums (1)" (under the advert) Copy and paste the reference in this to your article. After a bit of practice it gets easier. If you do it wrong you can edit it for a certain time afterwards (see at the bottom of your post, (edit/delete), a couple of hours I think. I'm posting a picture of John Nicholson with the lovely Maxine just as an experiment..............If it comes out wrong I'll do it again 'till I find the correct link.

There you are, clear as mud I'm sure. Best of luck, I'll look forward to your pictures in a couple of weeks, Ha Ha!.

Cheers,


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Posted 23 July 2008 - 18:29

Wish me luck.

Sana front suspension outboard.

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Sana tub and facia support. Was going to say dashboard!

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Sana tub pickup points front suspension.

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Regarding Amon, I think that I could relate it on the telephone, but not certain enough of the accuracy of my memory to put it in print. If I did, god knows what others might report about me?!!

Pictures seem to work. Thanks Fris. Later I'll get to more.

#649 Fris the Whizz

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 19:20

Great photos John, you've certainly mastered it quicker than I did! Did we ever meet, I remember your name, but like you the old memory cells aren't so good now (never were much good actually!) I drove a Hawk FF2000 in 1976 (great car, ugly looking) and 1977 (crap car, great looker) but I think David Lazenby was probably the designer. Of course I raced with Ted in 1974 and was good friends with him, we both went to Johnny Nicholson's wedding. We have got back in touch again recently through this forum. I found it interesting about him retiring etc, of course I'd run out of money (again) and moved to cheaper classes of racing and lost touch by that time. As he said to me though, at least we are still here!

Keep the stories coming John. Good to have you here on TNF.

Cheers,

#650 John Bicht

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 19:48

Geoff, I hate to admit it, but back in those days I was a pissed off loner pain in the butt, so it is unlikely that we met because I didn't socialize, unless a brief chat while talking to Ted. Add that to terminal shyness! I hated the results I was getting all through my U.K. career, and for a chap who ended up being pretty handy technically, I couldn't get my way out of the problems. Lots of anger I think.

I found out in 1979 my Swindon BDA had 10.5 compression for the 1976 season. The chap I sold the Swift to was rather cross with me about it. Just one of the stupidities that chased me.

I think that the Hawke FF2000 was originally a direct copy of the March F3 suspension. Told me by the friend who let David do the measuring. But basically I think you are right that David was still doing the main design work.

Like all of us, I had very different views of life and death back then as a young man. I am very glad to still be here. But I wouldn't mind being trapped for all time in a time warp, say 1973-77. But that is looking back, and of course expecting that I would be able to fix the person I was, and the cars.

Gee, I hope that this doesn't come across stupidly.