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#51 Gil Bouffard

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Posted 14 May 2002 - 05:08

I had an involvement in the FIA (read CASC/SCCA) Formula Mondial cockup of 1983 working with an independent video company called MOTOR SPORT VIDEO. I was also doing some PR for Jimmy Santos. We covered the first three races of the season at Willow Springs, Riverside and Sear Point.

Roberto Moreno was being run by his manager "Pee Wee" Siddle on a real shoestring. His purse from the first race got him to Riverside but he told me that he didn't think he was going to make the rest of the season. I got MOTOR SPORT VIDEO to put some signage on his car for Riverside and they covered his entry for the Sears Point round.

Tommy Byrne was entered in Sear Point by Kerry Agapiou. Kerry Agapiou picked up Moreno at Detroit for the rest of the season.

Why was it a cockup? The CASC didn't have a series sponsor and was robbing Peter to pay Paul. Jimmy Santos had a money position at Detroit and CASC "offered," to let him use it to pay his entry at Montreal.

The series had potential but, neither CASC or SCCA marketed Formula Mondial with any efficiency.

The series was on its way out when the owners and drivers got together and formed WCAR for the Western United States. The series was still not gaining the recognition it deserved.

Then Stefan Petroff (Industries, I think), stepped in and provided finance and marketing assistance. Things were starting to look up.

Unfortunately, Mr. Petroff was an ill man and died before the first season was finished.

About this time Ford announced that they would no longer support Formula Atlantic. Toyota stepped in and the rest is history.

Having been in there trying to get something going, I, unfortunately, blew a couple of good contacts and bucks on Formula Mondial.

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#52 fines

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Posted 14 May 2002 - 16:09

Originally posted by Carlos Jalife
Fines, are you aware that there were some other races which were called F Atlantic, although I'm not sure they really were. They look like FFs with wings and some were run in Venezuela and Colombia, I remember Rebaque running those with some other mexicans.

No, I wasn't aware of that! Can you tell us more?

#53 Carlos Jalife

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Posted 14 May 2002 - 22:44

I'll ask around but I'm sure there were some races probaby in 1973-74, I'll check ome of my older magazines. By the way, I posted the answer to the Jourdains birthdates and place of birth in some other thread, the one where the dual nationalities were being discussed. And I remember wher it was that Bernardo was posted as belgian, in the Indy Site and I complained he was Mexican, to D Donaldson, the historian, but I never bothered to check if they changed it.

And to Berner: David Empringham and Claude Bourbonnais share the same luck, good drivers, no sponsors so they ended as coaches for guys like mexican Rodolfo Martínez Lavín (who is in his 7th season of Indy Ligts/Atlantic currently and he is barely 24) who had a big sponsor and is learning. Nobody said life was fai, just think of Marc Hymes (the F3 champ in GB 1999) who beat both Burti and Button and has no drive anywhere while the other two went to F1 becuase they had very good agents, and please don't tell me Button is so good, or Luciano, they just had the right contacts. Same thing everywhere, just ask Justin 'too tall' Wilson.

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Posted 20 June 2002 - 18:57

I know this has been discussed before. I've searched back and can not find the thread. I would like to know when the first Formula Atlantic race was run, Where, Who was the driving force behind Formula Atlantic, race results, and any other details that anyone would have.
Thank you,
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#55 fines

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Posted 20 June 2002 - 20:10

Try this one for example: http://www.atlasf1.c...hlight=atlantic :)

#56 Jim Thurman

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Posted 21 June 2002 - 04:49

Or this one...

http://www.atlasf1.c...light=FAtlantic

In that thread I posted a race report and results from the first Formula Atlantic race, March 7, 1971 at Brands Hatch (won by Vern Schuppan).

I still have the photo showing the grid from that first race leaving the line. Is there someone I could forward it to who could post it to one of the myriad FAtlantic threads?.


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#57 Allen Brown

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Posted 21 June 2002 - 08:43

Jim

I'm happy to post it for you. You know my email address.

Allen

#58 Michael_T

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Posted 26 June 2002 - 18:58

Thanks for the replys. Jim Thurman, did your photo of the first grid get posted anywhere?
Mike T

#59 Jim Thurman

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Posted 26 June 2002 - 21:50

Originally posted by Michael_T
Thanks for the replys. Jim Thurman, did your photo of the first grid get posted anywhere?
Mike T


Mike,

I've been so busy I hadn't had the chance!...but it's just been sent off to Allen Brown to post here.


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#60 Michael_T

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Posted 26 June 2002 - 22:18

Thanks, Jim.
Would there be any way I could get a copy for my own personal library? If you would prefer to take this offline, contact me at Mike.Truitt@Quantitude.com

#61 Allen Brown

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Posted 27 June 2002 - 18:18

Hi Jim

Here it is:

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Posted 02 February 2003 - 16:50

Curious.

I'd bet the "ScKee" Klauser drove was built by Bob McKee of Chicago, and rebodied by someone else, giving it the "S" instead of the "M" in front of the "cKee." Anyone know?

I drove a Lotus 23 copy (a derivation) built by one of the fabricators in the McKee shops. McKee was actually a terrific domestic car builder -- probably one of the few Americans building dedicated road racing cars in the late sixties-early seventies.

His Formula A/5000 cars were rather ugly -- but in the right hands FAST against the Lolas and McLaren's of the day. At SCCA club events in CenDiv McKee F/A cars won many events.

He also built several CanAm cars over the years, teamed up with a guy named Gene Crowe (who did the engines -- usually Oldsmobiles!).

Anyone remember Bob McKee? Anyone know if this is what the "ScKee" really was a chassis by him?

#63 mickj

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 02:17

Cadblack
Is your Lotus 23 copy a La Boa ?. McKee also built a run of 3 wheel cars, also I think he had a lot to do with the Howmett's.

#64 Allen Brown

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:28

Originally posted by CADBLACK
Anyone remember Bob McKee? Anyone know if this is what the "ScKee" really was a chassis by him?

The Can-Am car was the Schkee, a rebodied Lola T332C. McKee did most of the engineering and the "Sch" came from car owner Doug Schulz.

McKee's FA cars were the Mk 8, the Mk 12 and the Mk 18. The McKee Mk 8 got some good results in 1968, including third places for Mak Kronn at Continental Divide and for Kurt Reinold at War Bonnet and Mosport. In SCCA Nationals, Reinold won at least three in 1968 - probably more.

The Mk 12 made less impact and McKee seems to have wound things up not long after that.

He also built a car for Hamilton Vose in USAC racing - I'm not sure if that was a converted FA or a purpose built design. McKee is, I think, still around.

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#65 Pete Stowe

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 19:56

Bob McKee certainly is still around, his McKee Engineering outfit at Lake Zurich in the northern suburbs of Chicago being involved in all sorts of interesting engineering projects, from designing robotic process equipment, to restoring old race cars, to constructing prototype electric powered vehicles.
I met Bob at Goodwood in 1999, and later visited at Lake Zurich when he related his involvement in the Howmet turbine cars, which were originally built in his workshops and whose chassis were based on the 1966-7 McKee sports-racer. He stated out in racing building Chevrolet & Pontiac NASCAR cars for Tiny Lund, went to Indianapolis as chief mechanic for Dick Rathmann, then was one of the first to drop a V8 into a Cooper Monaco, for Rodger Ward. This led to the production, with then employee Pete Weismann, of the McKee transaxle which found a ready market for V8 powered sports-racers in the early 60s. Bob then began building complete cars, usually in small numbers for a specific customer. The first was known as the Chevette, although not because of any GM involvement, later cars were McKee’s. A wedge bodied McKee was used by Paul Newman in the film ‘Winning’ and the 4-w-d auto-transmission car of 1969 was the first turbocharged car to appear in the CanAm. Bob then got involved in other areas of engineering, building numerous electric-powered and alternative-fuelled prototype cars for the likes of Ford, GM & Chrysler. He’s a really great guy, and far too modest about his achievements.

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 23:42

Here's a transcribed 1982 Formula Atlantic auto sports news preview at Westwood. The race was named the Gilles Villeneuve Memorial Race.

Formula Atlantic 1982 Preview
By Scott Simpson, The Vancouver Sun, Thursday, August 19, 1982

With overall points leader Tim Coconis apparently through on the Formula Atlantic circuit, fellow Californian North Hunter leads a pack of drivers who have chances to seize the lead at this Sunday's Westwood race.
Hunter, the 1981 rookie of the year as well as the third place finisher at the Westwood race last season is No. 2 in points with 74 in his Ralt RT4 compared to Coconis' 78 after six races.
Known as a volatile personality, Coconis allegedly vowed to quit Formula Atlantic racing for good in the wake of two disputes with officials at the Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin race August 8th.
Coconis' complaint that other racers used cheater engines during qualifying was ignored and, coupled with orders to raise the height of side skirts on his own car, he reportedly blew his stack and won't compete again - at least for the rest of the season.
Also absent from the race will be defending Westwood champion Rogello Rodriguez. Lacking sponsorship to finance his own racer, he has been using fellow Mexican Jose Le Garza's RT4 whenever the latter is competing in CART races that conflict with the Atlantic schedule.
Close behind Hunter in point standings is Dan Marvin of San Francisco, in third sport with 69 points, driving an RT4.
The only Canadian in the top 10 point standings is Vancouver-born Allen Berg of Calgary, who finished second at Westwood in '81 and is currently tied with Le Gaza for ninth place at 49 points apiece.
At a press conference called Wednesday by Gateway Productions, promoters of the FA race, group spokesman Tom Wilson said he expects 25 competitors to participate in qualifying which goes Saturday from 1:30 to 2 p.m. and 4:45 to 5:30.
Included on the list of competitors are five drivers from the Lower Mainland. Andy Mahood of North Vancouver, Ross Bentley of Surrey, Bob McGregor of Langley and Vancouver residents Brian McLoughlin and Marc Akerstream.
McLoughlin and Terry Bemmill of Kirkland, Washington, members of the same racing team, are the only entrants driving 1982 model RT4s. McLoughlin's other distinction is being the oldest racer entered. He's a 49-year old Vancouver based law society bencher.
"The car cost us $35,000 without the engine," said McLoughlin, who missed last year's race because of a broken leg incurred when the brakes failed on his RT1 in the Edmonton FA.
"The (RT4) is much improved for 1982. It has a different suspension and changes in the ground effects position.
"Ralt has made numerous adjustments to make the car go faster. I'm just learning this year about a lot of those."

PIT PATTER - Gateway is calling this year's event the Gilles Villeneuve Memorial Race, in honor of the Quebec Formula One driver who was killed earlier this year…A total of $40,000 prize money will be offered with the top Formula Atlantic finisher collecting $8,000…There will be six support races on Sunday but in a cost-cutting measure, there will not be a Formula Ford race. The first green flag falls at 1:20 and the 56-lap Formula Atlantic event scheduled for a 3 p.m. start…Sponsors for this year's race are radio station CKLG and MCL British Cars.

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#67 Bengt

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Posted 14 April 2003 - 09:42

I wonder if someone has more information about the results of the North American FAtlantic championships in 1980 and 1983, besides the race winners which I've already found earlier in this thread.

#68 Rob29

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Posted 15 April 2003 - 08:15

Originally posted by Bengt
I wonder if someone has more information about the results of the North American FAtlantic championships in 1980 and 1983, besides the race winners which I've already found earlier in this thread.

Mamiya Michelob North American Formula Atlantic Championship 1980

R1-Long Beach 29 Mar

1st-#1-Tom Gloy-Ralt RT1-color yellow-Lane Sports
2nd -#33-Kevin Cogan-Ralt TR1
3rd-#19-Bob Earl-Ralt RT1-silver
4th-#6-Jacques Villenuve (CDN) March 80A-Red & Blue-Shierson Racing
5th-#11-Rogelio Rodriguez (MEX) Ralt RT1-yellow-Lane Sports
6th-Bruce McInnes-Ralt RT1
7th-#69-Steve Saleen-Ralt RT1
8th-Takao Wada (J)-March 79B
9th-Paul Grandrich-Ralt RT1
10th-Robert Silvestro-Ralt RT1
11th-Rick Koehler-March 80A
12th-Bob McGregor-March 78B
Retired; #43-Geoff Brabham (AUS) Ralt RT4-red-David Psechie
Crashed; Dan Marvin March 80A John Norman Racing
Crashed;#22-Price Cobb March 80A-yellow-John Norman racing
Retired; #2-Jeff Wood-March 80A-white ,yellow & blue
Crashed; Dave McMillan (NZ) Ralt RT1
Retired; John Mortensen March 80A-Shierston Racing
Retired; Tommy Grannah March 80A -Relco Racing

R2-Sears Point-25 May

1st-Gloy
2nd-Villenuve
3rd-Saleen
4th-Wood
5th- Mortensen
6th-Tom Stewart-March 80A
7th-Rodriguez
8th-McGregor
9th-Silvestro
10th-Steve Jizmagian
Crashed;Earl
NS;McMillan

R3-Westwood-1 June

1st-Villenuve
2nd-Gloy
3rd-Saleen
4th-Marvin
5th-Wood
6th-Cobb
7th-Mortensen
8th-Stewart
9th-Rodriguez

R4-Brainerd-15 June

1st -Saleen
2nd-Cobb
3rd-Jerry Hansen-March 79B
4th-Rick Bell-Ralt RT1
5th-Ralph Mannaker-March 80A
6th-Roger Penske Jnr-Ralt RT1
Crashed;Villenuve,Wood,Mortensen,
Rodriguez,FL?

R5-Lime Rock-5 July

1st-Villenuve
2nd-Wood
3rd-Mortensen
4th-Jo Sposato-March 78B
5th-Bell
6th-Charles Cass-March 80A-Shierson Racing
7th-Penske
8th-Rodriguez
9th-Saleen
10th-Bob Hoff-Ralt RT1
Crashed;Cobb,
NS;Stewart

R6-Elkart Lake-20 July

1st-Earl
2nd-Cobb
3rd-Villenuve
4th-Rodriguez
5th-Saleen
6th-Mortensen
7th-James King-March 79B
8th-Ed Midgley-March 78B
9th-Cass
10th-Bob Schader-March 80A

R7-Trois Rivieres-24 Aug

1st Cobb
2nd-Gloy
3rd-Marvin
4th-Rodriguez
5th-Bell
6th-Whit Ganz-Ralt RT1
7th-Saleen
Wood,FL?

R8-Brdgehampton-14 Sep

1st-Wood
2nd-Cobb
3rd-Rodriguez
4th-Saleen
5th-Gloy
6th-Grannah
7th-Ganz
8th-Jon Milledge-Ralt RT1
9th-Mortensen
10th-Sposato
Crashed;Villenuve

R9-Montreal-27 Sep

1st-Villenuve
2nd-Gloy
3rd-Danny Sullivan-Ralt RT4-Brian Robinson
4th-Saleen
5th-Wood
6th-Rodriguez
7th-Mortensen
8th-Milledge
9th-Marvin
10th-Bell
Crashed;Earl,Cobb

R10-Mexico Cty-26 Oct

1st-Villenuve
2nd-Gloy
3rd-Wood
4th-Rodriguez
5th-Saleen
6th-Tom Phillips-March 79B
7th-Ganz
8th-Grannah
9th-Cobb
10th-Cass
NS-Mike Rosen-March 80A

#69 cheesy poofs

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Posted 20 April 2003 - 02:03

Originally posted by fines

Who then was R. K. Smith? Any info?



Born October 16, 1937.

1983 FFord National Champion
Began professional career in 1986 in the Pro-Sports 2000 series, followed by Formula Atlantic and Trans-Am in 1987. Raced in 10 Trans-Am events in 1988. Competed in the Pro Sports 2000, Toyota Atlantic, Racetruck Challenge and Escort Endurance in 1989. Won the 1990 World Challenge drivers championship with 3 victories. Also competed in three Toyota Atlantic races along with one Racetruck event ( which he won ). Finished second in the 1991 World Challenge standings, but took his second his second title in three years in 1992.

That's all I have for now...

#70 arcsine

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 18:03

Does anyone have a list of 1991 Toyota Atlantic race winners?

#71 Jimmy Piget

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Posted 28 April 2003 - 23:15

In my own notes, I have R.K. Smith as a director of Swift Cars (USA) — the make he used in F Atlantic.
The information probably came from Autosport reports.

#72 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 02:54

Originally posted by fines
Ken Smith ran a Leyton House Formula One for demonstration laps during one of the early 1993 New Zealand FPacific meetings. Does he own the car? And if, which one is it?


Yes, he still has the car. A friend of mine saw it at last weekend - in fact he took a photo of his grandson sitting in it.

Sorry I can't help with the identification of the car.

#73 Jim Thurman

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 06:46

Originally posted by Jimmy Piget
In my own notes, I have R.K. Smith as a director of Swift Cars (USA) — the make he used in F Atlantic.
The information probably came from Autosport reports.


Correct, he and Bill Fickling were principals at Swift.

Thanks cheesy poofs for getting the info on R.K. Smith. I still have some around here...somewhere, but just haven't had the opportunity to dig it out.


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#74 Jimmy Piget

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Posted 30 April 2003 - 06:11

Because of a few gaps in my Autosport collection, i miss the winners of th following f Atlantic races :

Brands Hatch 22 June 1975
Thruxton 6 July 1975
Brands Hatch 13 July 1975
Silverstone 3 August 1975
Mondello Park 20 June 1978
Kirkistown ? June 1978
Mondello Park ? July 1978

Can somebody help ?

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Posted 30 April 2003 - 09:16

Originally posted by Jimmy Piget
Because of a few gaps in my Autosport collection, i miss the winners of th following f Atlantic races :

Brands Hatch 22 June 1975 - no Atlantic race
Thruxton 6 July 1975 - no Thruxton meeting on that date
Brands Hatch 13 July 1975 - Richard Morgan, Wheatcroft-Nicholson R18
Silverstone 3 August 1975- Ted Wentz, Lola-Swindon T360
Mondello Park 20 June 1978- 20 June was a Tuesday?
Kirkistown ? June 1978
Mondello Park 9 July 1978- Mike Nugent, Modus

Can somebody help ?



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Posted 30 April 2003 - 17:04

Does anyone have the track layout to the Quebec City race - won by Gilles Villeneuve - that was held in '77 ? BTW- This was GV's last Atlantic win.

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Posted 30 April 2003 - 22:23

Lot of thanks, Milan.

As there were no Atlantic races at Brands nor Thruxton at the dates I mentioned, what were rounds 3 & 4 of the 1975 National championship and who were their winners ?

20 June 1978, a Tuesday ? Oh la la ! A mistake of mine, messing the dates. Wasn't a Mondello Park race for FA around this date ? 18 June or 25 june ?

Thanks again.

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Posted 01 May 2003 - 06:52

Originally posted by Jimmy Piget
Lot of thanks, Milan.

As there were no Atlantic races at Brands nor Thruxton at the dates I mentioned, what were rounds 3 & 4 of the 1975 National championship and who were their winners ?

20 June 1978, a Tuesday ? Oh la la ! A mistake of mine, messing the dates. Wasn't a Mondello Park race for FA around this date ? 18 June or 25 june ?

Thanks again.

R1-2 March -Brands
R2-18 May-Brands
R3-13 July-Brands-Richard Morgan-Chevron B29
R4-3 Aug-Silverstone-Ted Wentz-Lola T360B
R5-10 Aug-Snetterton
R6-21 Sep -Brands
R7-4 Oct-Oulton Pk
R8-12 Oct-Thruxton
R9-19 Oct-Brands

Sorry don't seem to have kept any records of Irish racing at that time.

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Posted 01 May 2003 - 06:57

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(quote) Cheesy Poofs


Quebec City race - won by Gilles Villeneuve - !!! Was,t James HUNT in that race also
or was that 1976!!!!!!!!. :up:

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#80 Rob29

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Posted 01 May 2003 - 07:13

Originally posted by eldougo
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(quote) Cheesy Poofs


Quebec City race - won by Gilles Villeneuve - !!! Was,t James HUNT in that race also
or was that 1976!!!!!!!!. :up:

You are thinking of the Trois Rivieres race in 1976. Canada has had lots of street circuits,pehaps a higher percentage than any other country. Surely someone must have a plan of that Quebec circuit? I'm sure I have seen one somewhere,but can't think where. I actually visited Quebec City in 1984,but could not find the circuit.I am also looking for anything on the St.John's (Newfoundland) circuit used in 1974.

#81 Allen Brown

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Posted 01 May 2003 - 21:43

Originally posted by Rob29
You are thinking of the Trois Rivieres race in 1976. Canada has had lots of street circuits,pehaps a higher percentage than any other country. Surely someone must have a plan of that Quebec circuit? I'm sure I have seen one somewhere,but can't think where. I actually visited Quebec City in 1984,but could not find the circuit.I am also looking for anything on the St.John's (Newfoundland) circuit used in 1974.

I just looked in Formula magazine. There's quite a good report but no circuit map.

The race program would be your best bet.

Allen

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Posted 02 May 2003 - 00:21

Circuit Map: http://www.racingcir.../qu/Quebec.html

The circuit was located at the Quebec City Exposition Park. I'll try adding some further info about street names etc. during the weekend.

Sorry, but I've no info available for St. John's.

#83 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 03 May 2003 - 05:16

Jimmy

The winner of the Atlantic race at Kirkistown on June 24, 1978 was Eddie Jordan driving his Chevron B29.

The Motoring News report of the race states that it was Jordan's sixth win of the season. Does that tie in with your results.

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Posted 11 July 2003 - 17:42

I've always wondered what happened to the whereabouts of Gilles Villeneuve's championship winning Direct Film March of '76 / '77 ?

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Posted 11 July 2003 - 18:12

Originally posted by cheesy poofs
I've always wondered what happened to the whereabouts of Gilles Villeneuve's championship winning Direct Film March of '76 / '77 ?


It's on display in the Gilles Villeneuve Museum.

#86 cheesy poofs

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Posted 11 July 2003 - 18:26

No it isn't.
The car you're refering to is the 1974 March FA.

On a side note, when this car was located, the museum tried to purchase it from its owner, but as he was asking so much for it, they decided to leave it as is. The car was eventually purchased for the museum at $US/100K by..............Jacques Villeneuve :eek:

#87 Fransz

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Posted 11 July 2003 - 20:05

Originally posted by cheesy poofs
No it isn't.


Are you sure? When I was there last year, they told me it was? Those Lying ... :blush:

#88 Chris Townsend

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 06:54

What would constitute 'the championship winning car' anyway?
In 1977 Villeneuve certainly raced two different cars - he used team mate Richard Spenard's
twice after crashing in practice. On those occasions he had also bent his spare car. So even
when he ran his own car we don't necessarily know which it was, since he could use a spare,
and I'd guess that neither finished the season with the same tub that it started with.

Similar case applies in 1976 when Villeneuve also had a spare car. One of those was sold to
Bobby Rahal who used it for most of '77 after destroying the new 77B he'd got.
Nice history on that one...

Villeneuve's 1975 car MAY have been the one briefly used by Dave Saunders in the 1977
Tasman series and destroyed in a big accident at Pukekhoe. [75B-8]

In 1974 the March records show a number of cars that could have been Villeneuve's.
Most sales were conducted via an agent and it's his name that appears.
The team possibly had a spare car for most of the season, and then bought another
for Follmer to race at Trois Rivieres. Also, given that Villeneuve had a big accident at Mosport
and broke his leg, did the team then build up a "new" car for David Loring to use at Sanair?

Out of 13 production series 74Bs built the only ones where I can so far put definitive numbers against
drivers are those of Ted Wentz, Chris Cramer [a hillclimb car], Bev Bond and Bobby Brown.

BTW Does anyone have colour pics of 74Bs in N.America in 1974?

#89 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 09:34

That would be the 1977 NZ Stuyvesant Series, not the Tasman...

When Atlantics ran in NZ, we still had F5000s in Australia. Dinosaurs they may have been, but they were great dinosaurs... that said, however, the competition was keener in the NZ races, I think.

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Posted 19 September 2003 - 12:39

Does someone know the final point standings of 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1993?

#91 Mallory Dan

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Posted 07 October 2003 - 14:54

Indylantic in 1976, anyone remember it ?

Started off with great hopes, finished a bit chaotically as I recall. Some pretty good races though, it finished as Ted Wentz Lola v Tony Rouff's Boxer. Wentz won the champ, only just though. I've just dug out my old programmes for 76, and found that the Mallory race had 3 heats, then the main race. What was the point of that, only 15 cars turned up ?? The series finished in Britain after that year for 2 more re-starting in 79, though F At carried on in Ireland in these 'gap years'.

As you may have seen from another Forum, I'm a bit of an Atlantic idiot !!

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Posted 07 October 2003 - 16:10

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Indylantic in 1976, anyone remember it ?

Started off with great hopes, finished a bit chaotically as I recall. Some pretty good races though, it finished as Ted Wentz Lola v Tony Rouff's Boxer. Wentz won the champ, only just though. I've just dug out my old programmes for 76, and found that the Mallory race had 3 heats, then the main race. What was the point of that, only 15 cars turned up ?? The series finished in Britain after that year for 2 more re-starting in 79, though F At carried on in Ireland in these 'gap years'.

As you may have seen from another Forum, I'm a bit of an Atlantic idiot !!


Interesting current Atlantic snippet - AJ Allmendiger's Atlantic qualifying time at Miami this year was considerably faster than Sperafico's CART qualifying time! - then again it was a very tight circuit indeed and the Atlantic was probably an easier car to drive there than the ChampCars, and Allmendinger seems to be pretty special whereas the best anyone could say about Sperafico in a rather shoestring Coyne car is "which one of the Speraficos is he?"

Must say, the Swift FAtlantics don't look anything like as cute as the last generation of Ralts, they look more like lumpy F3s these days.

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 15:40

Prompted by discussion with Mallory Dan at a recent Northern TNF "brains trust"(!), the concensus was that British Formula Atlantic was at its best in 1975, here are some offerings that recall some of those events.

Posted Image Lyncar ace John Nicholson, on a rare outing in a Modus
Posted Image A great late-season addition, Gunnar Nilsson in Matt Spitzley's Chevron
Posted Image Ted Wentz/Lola alongside Mallory's lake
Posted Image Aussie Bobbie Muir/Birrana
Posted Image Nick May/ Dave Price Lola
Posted Image Cyd Williams/ Brabham BT40
Posted Image Atlantic superstar Tony Brise leads the opening lap at the hairpin
Posted Image Jim Crawford in Stephen Choularton's Chevron
Posted Image Wentz leads Brise and Nilsson at the Esses
Posted Image Wentz Posted Image Muir
Although not Atlantic, Tony Brise demonstrated his current GP car during the Mallory lunch break
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Posted 19 August 2006 - 22:24

Whilst I disagree with the concensus that British Formula Atlantic was at its best in 1975 :eek: , what absolutely wonderful pictures Alan. Fantastic.

I particularly like the images of Nilsson in the Rapid Movements Chevron - his performances in those few end of season races were stunning. His car control was really quite something. What a terrible tragedy that he was never able to fulfill his potential. Oddly enough I thought of him only yesterday on my way home from Belgium when I saw a sign for Zolder on the motorway - the scene of his one and only Grand Prix victory of course.

I'm intrigued by the super shot of Wentz, Brise and Nilsson at Mallory - what a duel that must have been.
Who won though, do you remember? And who is that behind them - is he running fourth?? It looks like a March, initially. But if you enlarge the image it's not clear - well, not to me anyway.

For what it's worth, about the same time the season before, I saw Brise have a thumping great accident at the Esses in the Modus M1. He was okay, but must have been thankful for the strength of his chassis.

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 23:33

Originally posted by MCS
...It looks like a March, initially. But if you enlarge the image it's not clear - well, not to me anyway...


Is it Ray Mallock? (and, no, I'm not talking to myself - well, hopefully not anyway).

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 23:41

Originally posted by MCS
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I'm intrigued by the super shot of Wentz, Brise and Nilsson at Mallory - what a duel that must have been.
Who won though, do you remember? [/B]


Jim Crawford won, Nick May second, Brise third and Nilsson fourth.

It does look like a March to me in the background, Ray Mallock in a 75B?

Also what happened to Cyd Williams' sleek red Brabham BT40? Even the radiator has been moved to the nose.

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 00:23

Originally posted by paulsenna1
Jim Crawford won, Nick May second, Brise third and Nilsson fourth.


Great! :up:

And no surprise - well, not from me anyway. Crawford was lethal (and I'm sure that's the wrong word, but most will know what I mean, hopefully) at Mallory Park - when it suited him.

When he returned to Atlantic in the B45 (?) / B42 derivative I was at Mallory one afternoon during a general testing session. It was windy and a plastic cone blew into the middle of the track between Devil's Elbow and the start-line. He obviously saw it early, missed it, kept his foot down and blasted down the straight, missing the pit armco by all of an inch (if that).

Being the idiot that I am I was stood next to the barrier at the time and it took me a good ten minutes to realise what he'd done. After the session he asked me to meet up with him in Leeds to write something for his sponsor - Econopallet. Very regrettably I couldn't do it as I was heading elsewhere and it was one of the last times I met him.

A great talent, a great man.

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 01:23

Posted Image Aussie Bobbie Muir/Birrana

It is of great interest to myself that this thread has been raised as this chassis was built by the late Jon Porter and myself of Birrana Cars in 1973 and i currently own the rolling chassis down under..........chassis # 273- 009......

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 01:46

Peter, were you involved with the Birrana effort in the UK..?

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 01:56

Originally posted by MCS
Peter, were you involved with the Birrana effort in the UK..?

Un fortunately no , Regards PN..............