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#1 quintin cloud

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Posted 24 January 2002 - 06:16

Hi all

Can anybody help complete the following race result of 1928:

Grand Prix de l'A.C.F.


1 "W.Williams"				  Bugatti T35C			2h27m40.8, 65.639mph

2 Andre Rousseau				Salmson				 2h30m04.6

3 Edouard Brisson			   Stutz				   2h31m13.4

4 Lucien Desvaux				Lombard				 2h31m28.4

5 Georges Casse				 Salmson				 2h38m36.0

6 Henri Stoffel				 Chrysler				2h40m14.0

The above is known Data of the race, the data below data which has been emailed to me:

7. de Vere					  Chrysler 

8. Guy						  Lombard



Did Not Finisch



Drouet -  - Bugatti

Sabipa - Fr - Bugatti

Rigal - Fr - Aries

Can someone help complete the race result and add any other interesting facts from the race.
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#2 FEV

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Posted 24 January 2002 - 07:34

Hi Quintin !
Here is what I have from Cohin :

Four qualifying heats for the following classes : over 3000cc, 1500 to 3000cc, 1100 to 1500cc and less than 1100cc. All four run on 10 laps of the 26,300 km track. From the results of the heats are taken the qualifiers for the Final and the handicap starting times of each finalist. I, unfortunately, do not have the results of the heats :(

Starting times for the Final (also run on 10 laps) :

14h25'00'' : Rigal (Ariès 1086cc), Desvaux (Lombard 1095cc), Rousseau (Salmson 1096cc), Guy (Lombard 1095cc)
14h33'30'' : "Sabipa" (Bugatti 1496cc)
14h35'36" : De Vere (Chrysler 4076cc), Stoffel (Chrysler 4076cc), Brisson (Stutz 4888cc)
14h39'00" : Casse (Salmson 1096cc s/c)
14h47'08'' : Drouet (Bugatti 1991)
14h57'08'' : "Williams" (Bugatti 1991 s/c)

Final Stadings :

1. Williams 2h27'40''4/5 (real time 1h55'32''4 + 32'08" handicap) avg.speed : 106,852 kph with handicap - 136,568 kph real time.
2. Rousseau 2h30'04''3 (2h30'04''3 + 0)
3. Brisson (Stutz) 2h31'12''2 (2h20'37''2 + 10'36'')
4. Desvaux (Lombard) 2h31'28''2 (2h31'28''2 + 0)
5. Casse (Sunbeam) 2h38'36''0 (2h24'36''0 + 14'00'')
6. Stoffel (Chrysler) 2h40'14'' (2h29'38'' + 10'36'')
7. De Vere (Chrysler) 2h41'58''0 (2h31'22'' (+10'36'')
8. Guy (Lombard) 2h42'51''5 (2h42'51''4 + 0)

FL : Williams - 11'23'' (138,623 kph) at the 8th lap.

Sabipa, Drouet and Rigal retired, laps and reasons unknown.

Race run under intense heat. Williams was still second, one minute behind Rousseau at the beginning of the last lap. Great rush to first place.
I also have a 30 line review of the race with partial standings if you wish.

Cheers
Frank

#3 David McKinney

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Posted 24 January 2002 - 09:36

The 1928 ACF Grand Prix was not only a sportscar race, but – as FEV says - run on handicap.
Casse was of course in a Salmson, not the Sunbeam that somehow slipped into Frank’s results

Additions to data already posted:
Bouriat (Peugeot) DNS (qualified)
- (Lancia) DNS or DNA
- (Lancia) DNS or DNA
Mme Jennky (Bugatti 1500) DNF – DNQ but started unofficially!
- (Bugatti 1500) DNQ
- (Bugatti 1500) DNQ
- (Bugatti 1500) DNQ
- (BNC 1100) DNQ
de Rovin (DeRovin 750) DNQ
There’s lots we don’t know: 28 cars apparently started the heats, from 48 entered

#4 FEV

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Posted 24 January 2002 - 10:00

Thanks for the additions David !

Casse was of course in a Salmson, not the Sunbeam that somehow slipped into Frank’s results

:blush: My mistake :blush: I'm not used to be up at this time of the morning... :) Maybe one day I'll make an error-free post, who knows :lol:

#5 tombe

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Posted 24 January 2002 - 14:25

David Hodges' 'The FRENCH Grand Prix' have these results from the heats (only qualifiers) :

Heat 1 (unlimited) : Brisson 2:30:16.0 - de Vere 2:30:39.4 - Stoffel 2:32:06.6 - Bouriat ?

Heat 2 (3 litres) : Drouet 2:16:31.6 - Williams 2:20:42.2

Heat 3 (1.5 litres) : Sabipa 2:59:02.8

Heat 4 (1.1 litres) : Casse 2:38:39.4 - Rousseau 2:39:49.4 - Guy 2:43:18.4 - Rigal ? - Desvaux ?

"Bouriat (Peugeot) did not start in the final; Lormand (Erskine) and Mme.Jennky (Bugatti) decided to run in it although they had not qualified."

#6 quintin cloud

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Posted 25 January 2002 - 06:00

Excellent Thanks Guys :wave: :smoking:

#7 Marcor

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Posted 27 January 2002 - 03:51

I've found an entry list with starting numbers which was published in the newspapers Les Sports the day before the meeting.

Over 3000 cc
#2 de Vère Chrysler 4 L
#4 Weymann X NA
#6 Stoffel Chrysler 4 L
#8 Laly Ariès
#10 Morain Peugeot NA
#12 X Peugeot NA
#14 Bouriat Peugeot

#? Brisson Stutz

1500 to 3000 cc
#20 Duray Ariès
#22 Velitchkovitch Bugatti
#24 Besaucèles Ballot NA
#26 Bocca Lancia NA
#28 Bussienne X NA
#30 Lehoux Bugatti
#32 Jennky Bugatti
#34 Rost Georges Irat NA
#36 Chiron Bugatti NA
#38 Blanck Bugatti NA
#40 Mesnel Bignan NA
#42 Drouet Bugatti
#44 Simon Bugatti NA
#46 Lormand Erskine-Six
#48 Williams Bugatti 35C 4891

1100 to 1500 cc
#50 X Bugatti NA
#52 Gaupillat Bugatti
#54 Sabipa Bugatti
#56 d'Ahetze Bugatti NA
#58 Dreyfus Bugatti NA
#60 Doré Corne La Licorne

750 cc to 1100 cc
#62 Moran Rally
#64 Billiet BNC 527 SCAP NA
#66 Signoret Salmson NA
#68 Laval Salmson
#70 Dussausoy de Coucy NA
#72 de Coucy de Coucy NA
#74 d'Abbadie d'Arrast Salmson NA
#76 Casse Salmson
#78 Simas d'Yrsan
#80 Rigal Ariès
#82 Desvaux Lombard AL 3
#84 Lepicard Donnet
#86 Gauthier Salmson
#88 Christian Lombard NA
#90 Guy Lombard
#92 Rousseau Salmson
#94 Brisson Alphi NA
#96 d'Havrincourt Salmson NA

up to 750 cc
#102 Siran d'Yrsan 750 cc
#104 Treunet Sima-Violet 750 cc ?
#106 Violet Violet
#108 de Rovin de Rovin 750 cc

The cars up to 750 cc took part in a special race titled Prix des petites voitures de sport.

Results
1- de Rovin de Rovin
2- Siran d'Yrsan
3- Violet Violet

#8 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 27 January 2002 - 06:50

Marc,
I don't want to diminish any of the other posts here but your contributions are always so remarkable. You deserve a great :up: :up: :up:

#9 Marcor

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Posted 27 January 2002 - 22:35

Thanks Hans,

About the entry list I've sent, is it possible to check it with, for example, pictures of the meeting ? What was the starting number of Brisson and his Stutz ? I guess it was #4, but I would like to have confirmation ! Archives d'une passion (book of Antoine Raffaelli) contains pictures of Williams and Drouet's cars (#48 and #42)

#10 FEV

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Posted 27 January 2002 - 23:01

Marc, I don't want to diminish any of the other posts here but your contributions are always so remarkable.


Yes indeed :up: :up: If there was an Index of Performance Cup at TNF, you would be the king of it Marc :) :up:

#11 quintin cloud

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Posted 28 January 2002 - 06:11

Excellent Marcor :up: :up: :clap: Thanks for the entry list :clap: :clap: :smoking:

#12 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 January 2002 - 08:01

Sports Cars? Handicap?

Is this race in your list, Hans?

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:48

I've found an entry list with starting numbers which was published in the newspapers Les Sports the day before the meeting.

#60 Doré Corne La Licorne


Hello Marcor, it is not Corne La Licorne but Corre La Licorne.
http://www.corre-lal.../en-course.html