The 1939 Tobruk & Bengasi races to Tripoli
#1
Posted 11 February 2002 - 15:55
6C-2500SS in ranks 1, 3 and four. Now I found in an Italian book written by Curami the information on a race from Bengasi to Tripoli on March 3rd 1939, won by Ercole Boratta in an Alfa Romeo.
This was a round of the Campionato Italiano Sport. Now I wonder if these could be one and the same race? Has anybody any information on this race (races?), especially the ID of the Alfa Romeo drivers. Maybe someone has complete results?
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#2
Posted 11 February 2002 - 16:52
Mussolini's chauffeur Ercole Borato or Boratto Iam not able to check more in the book maybe somebody else
ROBERT
#3
Posted 12 February 2002 - 07:50
#4
Posted 13 February 2002 - 13:59
I've got Top3 results for three raids involving Tripoli :
1930, Tunis-Tripoli (760 km)
1) S. Pellegrini - ALFA Romeo (89,96 km/h).
2) Vigano - Lancia
3) Trigoni - ALFA Romeo
1937, Benghazi-Tripoli (1020 km)
1) Ercole Borato / Alessandro Gaboardi - ALFA Romeo (133,77 km/h).
2) Haller / Villa - ALFA Romeo
3) Jacazio / Ravano - Lancia
1939, Tobrouk-Tripoli (1500 km)
1) Ercola Borato / Consalvo SAnesi - ALFA Romeo (141,41 km/h).
2) Clemente Biondetti / Monzani - ALFA Romeo
3) Carlo Pintacuda / Mambelli - ALFA Romeo
Sorry, but no dates, car types or other finishers...
Frank
#5
Posted 13 February 2002 - 14:11
so now we know who the Alfa drivers were. Thank you for digging that out.
I wonder if anybody has more informations on these races?
#6
Posted 13 February 2002 - 14:19
Rossi (Fiat Millecento coupe) 119.88km/h - faster than a Lancia which won the 1500cc class!
#7
Posted 13 February 2002 - 17:15
1 Ercole Boratto/Alessandro Gaboardi (Alfa Romeo 6C-2300)
2 Rodolfo Haller (Alfa Romeo 6C-2300)
3 Remy Jacazio (Lancia Aprilia)
4 Ippolito Berrone (Lancia Aprilia)
- Quintavalia (Fiat 508C) - 1st 1100 class
26/3/39 2nd Littoranea Libica (Tobruk to Tripoli)
1 Ercole Borrato/Consalvo Sanesi (Alfa Romeo 6C-2500SS)
2 Clemente Biondetti (Alfa Romeo 6C-2500SS)
3 Willi Briem (BMW 328)
4 Carlo Pintacuda (Alfa Romeo)
- Max zu Schaumburg-Lippe/Ralph Roese (BMW 328) - 2nd 2000 class
- Paul Heinemann/Uli Richter (BMW 328) - 3rd 2000 class
- Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo 6C-2500SS) DNF
#8
Posted 15 February 2002 - 01:52
I've got those results in my archives:
Litoranea Libica (Benghasi - Tripoli) 12 December 1937
1- Boratto / Gaboardi Alfa Romeo 6C-2300
2- Haller / Vella Alfa Romeo 2300
3- Remy / Ravano Lancia Aprilia
4- Berrone / Poggio Lancia Aprilia
5- Minio / Foscari Fiat 1500
6- Quitavalle Fiat 995
7- Pietrangeli / Fiorentini Alfa Romeo 1750
8- Monnaveccchia / Contorno Fiat 1500
9- Maresca / Feriol Fiat 1100
10- Campigli / Grolla Fiat 1500
11- Guzman / Ferraguti Fiat 1100
12- Macchia / Viero Fiat 1100
13- Bonomo / Mariotti Fiat 1100
14- Darbesio / Albertario Fiat 500
15- Baravelli / Zanella Fiat 500
16- Comirato / Dumas Fiat 500
17- Modena / Buzzachechi Fiat 500
1030 km
22 starters
17 classified
3rd was certainly Remy Jacazio (as David said) and I'm not sure of the spelling of Quitavalle, must be Quintavalia...
#9
Posted 09 September 2007 - 16:38
Does anyone know if there was ever a 1940 Tobruk - Tripoli race scheduled or held? If yes, does anyone know where results could be found?
Was the race held regularly, or sporadically (as the posted results indicate?)
Thanks in advance.
Cris
#10
Posted 09 September 2007 - 21:00
Thanks.
Cris
#11
Posted 09 September 2007 - 22:45
http://forums.autosp...&threadid=96639
#12
Posted 09 September 2007 - 23:17
All this is strictly from memory, so I won't swear to 100% accuracy, but I was there and seem to recall these were the principals involved.
#13
Posted 10 September 2007 - 01:02
Cris
#14
Posted 12 September 2007 - 16:51
Originally posted by Lotus23
Slightly OT, but the name Consalvo Sanesi rings a faint bell: Sebring 65, IIRC. Near the end of the race, exiting the pits, wasn't he in a slow-moving poorly-lit car (Alfa?) which was punted in the tail by a Cobra with ensuing fire? And didn't Jocko Maggiacomo figure largely in the heroic rescue?
All this is strictly from memory, so I won't swear to 100% accuracy, but I was there and seem to recall these were the principals involved.
You are right. Sanesi was trying to drive the car down to the chequered flag while the car had some mechanical trouble (transmission shaft, or clutch - explaining why the car was started carefully along the pitlane). I seem to remember he was actually not a regular driver of that car in that event, or maybe it was just not his scheduled stint, and he decided that he could be able to finish the race despite the failure. The Alfa was indeed a Giulia TZ, and that was the last race of Sanesi's career as he suffered serious burns, recovered slowly and later worked only as test driver. Maggiacomo did indeed extract him from the burning car.
Now about the reason for reviving the thread: Michael responded efficiently on the other forum: how one can positively prove that something DIDN'T happen defies anyone's logic. Otherwise, as Michael stated there, the non-existence of the 1940 Tobrouk-Tripoli is common knowledge... at least among kowledgeable people.
I have another Italian source for a 1940 scheduled calendar of races, no need to post one more: it says the same!
#15
Posted 13 September 2007 - 00:42
30 minutes of googling hasn't cleared the issue up, but I'm convinced there were two Jockos, roughly a generation apart. Were they father and son?
#16
Posted 13 September 2007 - 06:51
Jocko Maggiacomo Sr. was born on 21 January 1914 and died on 24 February 1997 (something about him here),
Jocko Maggiacomo Jr. was born on 30 November 1947.
#17
Posted 13 September 2007 - 23:37
#18
Posted 25 September 2007 - 13:07
Final classification:
-over 2 liter cars:
-1.Borrao-Sanesi Alfa 2500 SS 10h 37.19 141,410 km/h
-2.Biondetti-Monzani Alfa 2500 SS 10h 37.40
-3.Pintacuda-X Alfa 2500 SS
-2 liters:
-1.Briem-Holzschuss BMW 10h 43.10 140,156 km/h
-2.Schaumburg-Roese BMW 11h 01.11
-3.Heinemann-Richter BMW 11h 02.45
-1500cc:
-1.Leoncini-Berrone Lancia Aprilia 13h 02.52 115,146 km/h
-2.Belluci-Costantini Lancia Aprilia 13h 09.22
-3.Spoletini-De Dominicis Lancia Aprilia
-1100cc:
-1.Rossi-Molinari Fiat 12h 32.00 119,760
-2.Bonomo-Ferioli Fiat 12h 52.01
-3.Leornadi-Scimbaldi Fiat 13h 04.36
-4.Ravano-Lenzi Fiat 13h 35.26
-5.Palmieri-X Fiat 13h 35.55
-6.Avanzo-Fiorelli Fiat 1h 57.32
-7.Adanti-X Fiat 14h 04.32
-8.Comirato-Mme Fiat 14h 08.53
-750cc
-1.Bavarelli Fiat 14h 36.40
-2.Bortolon-Mme Fiat 15h 52.43
#19
Posted 02 October 2007 - 21:08
And is it Bavarelli or Baravelli, or are these two different persons?
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#20
Posted 02 October 2007 - 23:26
#21
Posted 14 March 2012 - 16:25
I'm looking for some picture about Maria Antonietta Avanzo with her Fiat 1100 Tassi & Rivola #18 at TOBRUCK-TRIPOLI IN 1939.
Beside her there was Federico Fiorelli.
Let me know where I can find some picture of her car (book, reviews, etc).
Many thanks to all!!!!!
Edited by sparklingstudio, 14 March 2012 - 16:26.
#22
Posted 14 March 2012 - 16:33
In 1939 there was a race from Tobruk to Tripoli, which was won by Alfa Romeo with their
6C-2500SS in ranks 1, 3 and four. Now I found in an Italian book written by Curami the information on a race from Bengasi to Tripoli on March 3rd 1939, won by Ercole Boratta in an Alfa Romeo.
This was a round of the Campionato Italiano Sport. Now I wonder if these could be one and the same race? Has anybody any information on this race (races?), especially the ID of the Alfa Romeo drivers. Maybe someone has complete results?
Hi UDO,
could you tell me more info about this book by Curami?
#23
Posted 14 March 2012 - 17:14
You'll be lucky! UDO hasn't posted here since November 2010!Hi UDO,
could you tell me more info about this book by Curami?