De Angelis and Alboreto
#1
Posted 07 March 2002 - 17:36
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#2
Posted 07 March 2002 - 20:09
#3
Posted 07 March 2002 - 20:56
#4
Posted 07 March 2002 - 22:20
Originally posted by magic
guessing: elio aristocrat and albereto from lower class?
Elio Roman, Michele Milanese ?
I'm italian but I recall no squabble at all between these two guys.
#5
Posted 07 March 2002 - 22:56
both led the wdc one after the other.
#6
Posted 08 March 2002 - 03:38
(www.ireland.com/newspaper/obituaries/2001/0505/obit3.htm)
"At the end of 1983 he received an offer no Italian could refuse. It came, he later related, as a result of an interview he had given after his win in Detroit, in which he criticised Ferrari for failing to hire an Italian driver. He had been advancing the claims of Patrese and Elio De Angelis, ..."
nice fraternity.
#7
Posted 08 March 2002 - 10:57
Originally posted by FEV
I might be wrong, but I dont remember having ever heard of special "hate" between de Angelis and Alboreto. There was a fierce competition between the numerous young Italian F1 drivers of the early 80s and there has been some clashes (like San Marino 1981 where something like four of them took out each other in the first laps), but afaik there was no real hate like between Depailler and Jarier for instance.
Interesting. I did not know that there was any possible friction between De Angelis and Alboreto - but then I did not know that Depailler and Jarier did not get along. can you shed some more light on this ?
#8
Posted 08 March 2002 - 12:19
#9
Posted 08 March 2002 - 14:42
#10
Posted 08 March 2002 - 16:21
But it is inevitable, with competitive guys like this, that there will be people who come to blows (either literally or figuratively) during their careers. Certainly, there is plenty of scope in karting and in the junior formulas for drivers to clash badly enough on track to establish a permanent antipathy. A recent instance is Pat Long and Robert Dahlgren in British F.Ford last year. There was a nasty on-track incident at Silverstone that decided the championship in favour of Dahlgren. Long then retaliated at the F. FOrd Festival I imagine that these two will be at war for a long time as a result.
Then there are off-track matters. These might be pinching another guy's girl-friend or another guy's drive. I think that something of this sort may be what happened between the two Mikas who fell out during their F3 days. Mind you, if Salo talked back then the way he talks now, it is not surprising that Hakkinen went off him.
A while ago, I posted a thread about Wollek and Schlesser after reading that Wollek loathed him to the extent of carrying round a scrap-book of adverse press-cuttings. But no-one was able to enlighten me about the actual root cause of the enmity.
Anyone know of any other famous or not so famous dislikes/antipathies?
#11
Posted 08 March 2002 - 16:22
Although I respect Murray enormously for his knowledge of the sport, I can probably safely say that I've read more historical interviews and articles specifically about Elio than even Murray, and I have never read Elio or another journalist make any reference to personal problems with other F1 drivers, other than his own team-mate Nigel Mansell during 1981 and 1984.
The other Elio fanatic on here, AlainSL will probably confirm this methinks. Otherwise I guess we can put the speculation down as journalistic hearsay. Thanks for the topic!
#12
Posted 08 March 2002 - 16:47
#13
Posted 08 March 2002 - 19:58
Originally posted by BRG
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Anyone know of any other famous or not so famous dislikes/antipathies?
James Hunt vs Eddie Cheever.
Well, James wasn't really "soft" with any driver but he deeply disliked Eddie especially.
#14
Posted 08 March 2002 - 22:53
"He's been around an awfully long time to have done nothing in F1"
No love lost there, methinks....
#15
Posted 09 March 2002 - 06:52
That looks to me like an objective assessment, not a suggestion of hatredOriginally posted by deangelis86
He's been around an awfully long time to have done nothing in F1
#16
Posted 09 March 2002 - 16:59
Tommy Milton and Ralph DePalma
Eddie Cheever and Tomas Scheckter
#17
Posted 09 March 2002 - 17:28
#18
Posted 10 March 2002 - 02:19
We have been very unfortunate because we have been robbed of several potentially stormy/volcanic pairings: Senna/Mansell, Mansell/Piquet, Lauda/Jones, Schumacher/Senna,...
We saw Schumacher/Piquet but it was so brief
#19
Posted 10 March 2002 - 05:59
Originally posted by man
Source = Murray Walker-former BBC and ITV commentator. I was watching the 1985 Monaco GP on video and Murray mentioned that they didn't get along at all.
Oh, THAT explains it... Murray probably meant to say "Mansell" and "Senna"...
;)
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#20
Posted 14 March 2002 - 07:45
As an aside, just reading the names brings back memories - Depailler, Jarier, Alboreto, de Angelis, Hunt etc - of a time when driver's seemed to be human beings aswell as drivers. What happened?
#21
Posted 14 March 2002 - 12:44
Currently I am very worried about the future of 'Boremula One'.
#22
Posted 14 March 2002 - 22:49
Don't despair, the last race wasn't too bad - I fell asleep only twice... :yawn:Originally posted by deangelis86
What happened indeed.....I still miss the good old days.
Currently I am very worried about the future of 'Boremula One'.
#23
Posted 16 March 2002 - 15:12
#24
Posted 17 March 2002 - 23:13
How about Damon Hill and Michael Schumacher, David Coulthard and Michael Schumacher, Heinz-Harald Frentzen and Michael Schumacher. Or the brewing Juan Pablo Montoya and Michael Schumacher? Or the short-lived but potentially fierce Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher?
Tazio Nuvolari and Achille Varzi.
Have we had Ayrton Senna and Nigel Mansell?
It could be a long list.
#25
Posted 21 March 2002 - 09:44
#26
Posted 22 March 2002 - 22:03
We have been very unfortunate because we have been robbed of several potentially stormy/volcanic pairings: Senna/Mansell, Mansell/Piquet, Lauda/Jones, Schumacher/Senna,...
As I'm sure many of you know, We certainly got the Mansell/Piquet pairing, and sure enough they didn't get on at all.
Hard to think of a single team mate, the effortlessly pleasant and by then not terribly quick Patrese aside, that Mansell actually did get on with.
#27
Posted 22 March 2002 - 22:07
DCN
#28
Posted 22 March 2002 - 22:39
"As long as he's fast we don't mind a driver who whinges - but what we can't stand at any price is a driver who whinges in a bloody Birmingham accent..
#29
Posted 23 March 2002 - 01:39
At one of the Australian GPs in Adelaide I was in the media room for a post-something-or-other conference and there was some sort of a delay (probably TV related) so most of the interviewees hadn't arrived.
Informed of the delay, most of the journos wandered off. Then Nigel Mansell arrived. I think he was only an interested onlooker, though it's all vague memories now. The fudge in my head is trying to tell me there was some sort of political/technical dispute that was to be discussed and Mansell was interested in the outcome.
The others still present were a bunch of British journos (I remember some of them, but will withold their names) who saw Nigel coming and, one by one, walked away, so they wouldn't have to talk to him.
Next thing I knew, there was just Nigel and myself left there. So I tried to strike up a conversation.
Now, this is the question:
There had been two incidents in two different GPs that year. One was Senna on the outside crowding Mansell on his inside. The other was vice versa. Both corners, from memory were right handers at the end of a straight. On both occasions the drivers tangled.
Mansell was most vociferous about blaming Senna for the most recent of the two collisions. I suggested that both occasions were racing incidents but that in both cases, since the roles were reversed, if Senna was wrong in one, then Mansell was wrong in the other. Mansell really "arced up" at that suggestion, insisting that it was quite clear to him that Senna was wrong on both occasions. The discussion deteriorated to a sort of, "They were both the same situation!", "No they weren't; they were completely different!"
Can anyone remind me what year this might have been, and what the races and incidents were? It's been bugging me for some time now, but I've never been able to make the time to back-track and work it out.
Neither occasion, by the way, was the infamous Spa-Francorchamps clash.
#30
Posted 23 March 2002 - 09:06
#31
Posted 23 March 2002 - 09:41
In 1992 (?) in Adelaide they collided in the final hairpin. They also collided on the opening lap of the 1985 race in Adelaide.
There's probably more
#32
Posted 23 March 2002 - 21:33
Didn't they have a coming together in Brazil during qualifying?
It's on the season review tape.
#33
Posted 24 March 2002 - 13:53
Estoril 1989 is ringing bells.
Was there another, similar but reversed, situation within a few races of that one?
What I need here, I think, is someone who watches the season review videos repeatedly.
#34
Posted 25 March 2002 - 19:07
I believed they were enemies just on track, and quite good friends elsewhere...Tazio Nuvolari and Achille Varzi.
#35
Posted 15 July 2009 - 04:19
#36
Posted 15 July 2009 - 13:05
Much though I know people respect Murray Walker, I wouldn't take it as read that he's right. I know one very well respected writer who was convinced that two particular French drivers "hated each other". He was latter staggered to see them playing golf. The writer then confessed his "opinion" was based on one incident, witnessed from a far. Now as I live in France I know that two Frenchmen talking can look very much like an argument, even when it is far from it. I shall say no more!!
#37
Posted 19 August 2009 - 22:30
Patrese and Cheever couldn't stand each other as well....
By the way Patrese got married with Cheever's sister.
#38
Posted 20 August 2009 - 08:46
All this talk of De Angelis and Nigel Mansell not getting along does'nt detract from the fact that when Elio died Nigel dedicated his next win to him, and from then onwards has always spoken fondly of Elio. A fitting tribute to a great man, and good driver, needlessly lost because of double standards.
Jarier, Depailler Trintignant and ???
Sommer?
#39
Posted 20 August 2009 - 09:06
By the way Patrese got married with Cheever's sister.
Did he??
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#40
Posted 20 August 2009 - 10:36
#41
Posted 20 August 2009 - 11:33
Did he??
I didn't know that...isn't Patrese's wife Italian? I do remember reading somewhere though that Elio de Angelis' sister married Eddie Cheever's brother...
Edited by Coral, 20 August 2009 - 11:35.
#42
Posted 20 August 2009 - 21:58
Did he??
HI !
that's what I do recall...I'm going to check it anyhow.
#43
Posted 20 August 2009 - 22:04
I didn't know that...isn't Patrese's wife Italian? I do remember reading somewhere though that Elio de Angelis' sister married Eddie Cheever's brother...
HI Coral !
this nostalgia forum brings back memories and some of these can be fading ....but I'm pretty sure about it.
Anyhow I've started checking about it.... Hope I'll be sending a post in a short time.
Greetings.
#44
Posted 20 August 2009 - 22:52
I didn't know that...isn't Patrese's wife Italian? I do remember reading somewhere though that Elio de Angelis' sister married Eddie Cheever's brother...
To Coral -
HI!
I'm presently checking the flw:www.riccardopatrese.com/I/motorsport2.htm
A nice site indeed.
#45
Posted 22 August 2009 - 19:27
I didn't know that...isn't Patrese's wife Italian? I do remember reading somewhere though that Elio de Angelis' sister married Eddie Cheever's brother...
The only thing I remember reading is that in 1982 orso Patrese had a relationship with the sister of Eddie Cheevers wife Rita. Her name was Lisa (I think).
I don't think they got married, though. I think they split up somewhere about that time too.
#46
Posted 22 August 2009 - 20:54
To Coral -
HI!
I'm presently checking the flw:www.riccardopatrese.com/I/motorsport2.htm
A nice site indeed.
Hi 500MACHIII
I was right Eddie Cheever's brother Ross did indeed marry Elio de Angelis' sister Fabiana. I discovered where I had read it, it was in the wonderful book "Remembering Elio".
#47
Posted 14 January 2016 - 12:22
They certainly look combative here...
#48
Posted 25 April 2016 - 19:48
Michele! 15 years ago...
#49
Posted 25 April 2016 - 22:07
#50
Posted 26 April 2016 - 15:45
Source = Murray Walker-former BBC and ITV commentator. I was watching the 1985 Monaco GP on video and Murray mentioned that they didn't get along at all.
Murray's mind and his mouth have a pretty tumultuous relationship themselves.