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[Egon Thurner]

Strongly motivated by the results of my last thread about the Paris-Rouen races in 1900 I put some more rare 1900-stuff onto the board. Do well again, gentlemen

E.T.

PS: Don't know what happened to the apostrophs - sorry for that

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1900-06-02 AT
Salzburg - Wien(Vienna)
?

1900-05-13 GE
Mannheim - Pforzheim - Mannheim
?

1900-06-17 GE
Nürnberg - Bamberg - Nürnberg
?

1900-07-22 GE
Strasbourg - Kappel - Strasbourg
?

1900-08-30 - 1900-09-02 GE
'Automobiltag zu Berlin'
Berlin - Achen
688 km
winner: ? / ?(trike up to 250 kg) 58 kmh

1900-07-29 GE
Internationales Bahnrennen Frankfurt
winner: Mathias Bender / Benz 16PS (4 Cyl. 120x120=5400cc; 20PS ?) 48 kmh

1900-03-26 F
Nizza - Draguignan - Nizza (Toring-Cars)
1. Stead / Daimler 24PS (class D)
2. Chauchard / Panhard 5CV ? (class C)
3. Ravenez / Decauville 6,5CV (class B)
interesting: class C up to 1000 kg, class D over 1000 kg

1900-02-18 F?
Course Du Catalogue - Melun
(2 laps)
winner ?

1900-04-14 UK
Ranelagh Club - 'Ladies Race'
winning lady: Miss Wemblyn / 'Daimler Parisienne' 6HP

1900-04-23 - 1900-05-10 UK
1000 Miles Trial
London (Hyde Park) - Bristol - Birmingham - Kendal - (Shap Fell Hillclimb) - Carlisle - Edinburgh - Newcastle - Leeds - Sheffield - (Welbeck Park Speed Trials) - Nottingham - London
total 1107 miles
65 contestants, e.g. (remark the long list of well-known fellows)
Edge / Napier 8HP (owned by Edward Kennard)
Rolls / Panhard
Mayhew / Panhard 8HP
? / Marshall 5HP
? / Brown-Whitney steam car
? / Star
Iliffe / Enfield
Cordingley / MMC Phaeton
Friswell / Peugeot
Cpt. Langrishe / 'Parisian Daimler'
Hargreaves / Daimler 12HP
Straker / Daimler
? / Daimler 12HP
Henry Edmund / Daimler 6HP
Siddeley / Daimler
Montagu Graham-White / ?
Percy Richardson / ?
Frank Butler / ?
? / Lancaster
? / Lancaster
? / Simms Motor-Wheel
Jarrott / Ariel tricycle
Stocks / Ariel quadricycle
A. J. Wilson / Ariel tricycle
Egerton / De Dion Voiturette
Impressing List - not at all complete - but is there also a winner ?

1900-04-18 US
Long Island Road Race
Springfield - Babylon (wherever that is) - Springfield
80,465 km
winner: A. L. Riker / Riker elektric 24,3 mph

1900-03-30 F
Nizza - La Turbie (hillclimb)
16 km
winner: 'Levegh' / Mors 30CV 19:02 = 50,526 kmh #22
2. Charron / Panhard 16CV #4
3. Girardot / Panhard 12CV #5
4. R. de Knyff / Panhard 16CV #16
5. Hourgi`eres / Panhard 12CV #19 (in Motorwagen the Name of Hourgieres is spelled Gilles-Hourgi`eres !)
6. Pinson / Panhard 12CV #30
7. Koechlin / Peugeot 16CV #53
8. Labour´e / Parisienne (liz. Benz) 15CV #48
Bauer (Daimler 28PS) fatally injured after crashing
winner 'Voiturettes cl.' : Th´ery / Decauville
winner 'Voiturettes non-cl.': Ravenez / Decauville 6,5CV
winner 'Touringcars up to 1000kg': Baron Th. v. Liebig / Nesselsdorf 6PS
winner 'Touringcars over 1000kg': Stead / Daimler 24PS
generally the dicsrepancy between entry list and result list is a true mystery for me !

1900-04-21 IT
Madonna del Pilone (hillclimb)
winner: Phil Stead / Daimler 24PS
2. Cuchelet / Peugeot 20CV

1900-09-09 AT
Semmering (hillclimb)
10 km
winner: Jacob Dietrich / De Dion-Bouton trike 2,5CV

1900-??-?? AT
Exelberg (hillclimb)
?

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[Hans Etzrodt]

Detailed results will be found in the various 1900 issues of the ALLGEMEINE AUTOMOBIL-ZEITUNG (Wien). This should be eine Leichtigkeit for you, Egon, since it is in your country, not far from you.

1900-06-02 AT
Salzburg - Wien(Vienna) ?
see my list on Leif's Web pages http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/

1900-05-13 GE
Mannheim - Pforzheim - Mannheim ?
see my list; sources: Braunbeck, Gustav, Braunbeck's Sport-Lexikon, Automobilismus, Motorbootwesen, Luftschiffahrt, Uwe Greve, 1994, pg. 71-72 - Kirchberg: Das Beste aus “Der Motorwagen 1898-1908” Teil I: pg. 27

1900-06-17 GE
Nürnberg - Bamberg - Nürnberg ?
110 km trial. Braunbeck calls it a Fernfahrt

1900-07-22 GE
Strasbourg - Kappel - Strasbourg ?
90 km trial. Braunbeck calls it a Fernfahrt

1900-08-30 - 1900-09-02 GE
'Automobiltag zu Berlin'Berlin - Achen 688 km
winner: ? / ?(trike up to 250 kg) 58 kmh
see my list; Sources: Braunbeck, Gustav, Braunbeck's Sport-Lexikon, Automobilismus, Motorbootwesen, Luftschiffahrt, Uwe Greve, 1994, pg. 78-80 - Sloniger/von Fersen: German High-Performance Cars pg. 20

1900-07-29 GE
Internationales Bahnrennen Frankfurt
winner: Mathias Bender / Benz 16PS (4 Cyl. 120x120=5400cc; 20PS ?) 48 kmh
see my list; Sources: Braunbeck, Gustav, Braunbeck's Sport-Lexikon, Automobilismus, Motorbootwesen, Luftschiffahrt, Uwe Greve, 1994, pg. 76 - Sloniger/von Fersen: German High-Performance Cars pg. 19/20

1900-03-26 F
Nizza - Draguignan - Nizza (Toring-Cars)
Touring cars are not my baby.

1900-02-18 F?
Course Du Catalogue - Melun (2 laps) winner ?
see my list; source: Gerald Rose: A Record of Motor Racing 1894-1908, pg. 107

1900-04-14 UK
Ranelagh Club - 'Ladies Race'
winning lady: Miss Wemblyn / 'Daimler Parisienne' 6HP
Touring cars are not my baby.

1900-04-23 - 1900-05-10 UK
1000 Miles Trial
Touring cars are not my baby.

1900-04-18 US
Long Island Road Race
Springfield - Babylon (wherever that is) – Springfield 80,465 km
winner: A. L. Riker / Riker elektric 24,3 mph
That’s all what is known about this 50-mile race. Not on my list.

1900-03-30 F
Nizza - La Turbie (hillclimb) 16 km
sources: Kirchberg: Der Motorwagen, Vol.1, pg. 25, 95 - MotorSport December 1951, pg. 615 - Rose, A Record of Motor Racing, pg. 110 - G. Monkhouse: Grand Prix Racing, Facts & Figures, 2nd Edition, pg. 283 - Braunbeck, Gustav, Braunbeck's Sport-Lexikon, Automobilismus, Motorbootwesen, Luftschiffahrt, Uwe Greve, 1994, pg. 70

1900-04-21 IT
Madonna del Pilone (hillclimb)
winner: Phil Stead / Daimler 24PS, 2. Cuchelet / Peugeot 20CV
5.0 km mountain climb. Overall winner was Carlo Biscaretti on a Phénix 3¾ hp tricycle in 8m36s. Stead won his class in 9m28s. Source: Emanuele Alberto Carli: Settant'anni di gare automobilistiche in Italia, pg. 33 - Chris Jones: Road Race, pg. 26

1900-09-09 AT
Semmering (hillclimb) 10 km
winner: Jacob Dietrich / De Dion-Bouton trike 2,5CV
I have September 8, 1900. Source: Braunbeck, Gustav, Braunbeck's Sport-Lexikon, Automobilismus, Motorbootwesen, Luftschiffahrt, Uwe Greve, 1994, pg. 80, 291 - AAZ (A) 1926 No. 19, pg. 34 - AAZ (A) 1933, No. 8, pg. 6-7 - Automobil und Motorrad Chronik 1979, No. 9, pg. 28-31

1900-??-?? AT
Exelberg (hillclimb) ?
4.2 km mountain climb for motorcycles on May 13, 1900, won by Louis Gasté (Darracq); source: Braunbeck, Gustav, Braunbeck's Sport-Lexikon, Automobilismus, Motorbootwesen, Luftschiffahrt, Uwe Greve, 1994, pg. 72

[Rob29]

1900-04-14 UK
Ranelagh Club - 'Ladies Race'
winning lady: Miss Wemblyn / 'Daimler Parisienne' 6HP
Touring cars are not my baby.

This one interests me; Anyone know where Ranelagh is ? Ireland. Maybe first ever race by a woman.

[Egon Thurner]

Thank you, Hans.

Originally posted by Hans Etzrodt
see my list on Leif's Web pages http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/

Ouch - I worked with an old Excel-Version of your list. I've deleted this relict now.

Originally posted by Rob29
1900-04-14 UK
Ranelagh Club - 'Ladies Race'
winning lady: Miss Wemblyn / 'Daimler Parisienne' 6HP

This one interests me; Anyone know where Ranelagh is ? Ireland. Maybe first ever race by a woman.

According to Ivan Rendall the Ranelagh Club is situated near London.
Not the first ever race by a woman, Rob, but maybe the first lady in a race, driving a car:

1998-03-06 Mme. Laumaille finished 7th in cycle-class
1899-07-01 Mme. Labrousse took part in the Paris-Spa race. She finished 5th in the cycle-class.

Next Lady in a racing car - after the Ranelagh Club race, where four Ladies took part - was:
1901-06-27 Paris - Bordeaux Mme. Camille du Gast / Panhard&levassor, finished 33th over all

E.T.

[fines]

Originally posted by Hans Etzrodt
1900-03-26 F
Nizza - Draguignan - Nizza (Toring-Cars)
Touring cars are not my baby.

Neither are they mine, but I happen to have this handy:

Nice - Draguignan - Nice (192 km)

Série A (<250kg) (* "Prix des Alpes-Maritimes")
1. Florès, #49 Cottereau (* De Dion-Bouton), 2.25hp, 110kg, 5:32'57"
2. G. Richard, #80 Georges Richard, 3hp (* 3.5hp), 240kg, 6:56'13" (* 6:19')

Série B (250-400kg, 2 persons) (* "Prix de Turin")
1. "Decauville IV" (* Ravenez), #45 (* #46) Decauville, 3.25hp (* 6.5hp), 390kg, 4:54'29"
2. "Decauville III" (* Corniqueau), #45 (sic!) Decauville, 3hp, 320kg (* 390kg), 5:49'20"
3. Preuil (* Préuil), #87 Cottereau, 5hp, 300kg, 6:21'39"

Série C (400-1000kg, 4 persons) (* "Prix de Marseille")
1. Paul Chauchard, #1 Panhard & Levassor (* Gobron-Brillié), 8hp, 930kg (* 900kg), 4:45'31"
2. Liebig, #78 Nesselsdorf (* De Dietrich), 6hp, 950kg, 5:31'06"
3. Ernest Cuenod (* Cuénod), #82 Georges Richard, 10hp, 990kg, 6:10'59"

Série D (>1000kg, 6 persons) (* "Prix de Draguignan")
1. Stead, #60 Daimler, 24hp, 1450kg, 3:59'08" (* 3:58')
2. Valton, #21 Mors, 19hp (* 12hp), 1200kg, 5:21'58" (* 5:17')
3. (* 4.) Audibert, #68 Audibert-Lavirotte, 10hp, 990kg (sic!) (* 1060kg), 5:52'21"
4. (* 3.) Bergeon, #65 De Dietrich, 9hp, 1100kg (* 1200kg), 6:09'38" (* 5:49')

no other finishers, sources: "La France Automobile" Vol. 5, Nr. 26, April 5, 1900, p206 & (* "Der Motorwagen" 1900, Nr. VII, p101-102)

1900-04-18 US
Long Island Road Race
Springfield - Babylon (wherever that is) – Springfield 80,465 km
winner: A. L. Riker / Riker elektric 24,3 mph

I have the date April 14:

1. Andrew Riker, #1 Riker, 2500lbs, 2:03'30"
2. S. T. Davis, Locomobile, 4.5hp, 2:18'27"
3. Alexander Fischer, #9 Gasmobile, 5hp, 2:30'01"
4. David Bishop, #5 Winton, 6hp, 2:38'08"
5. Albert Bostwick, #4 Winton, 6hp, 2:46'40"
6. George Chamberlin, Winton, 6hp, 2:48'42"
7. C. J. Field, De Dion-Bouton, 3:12'54"

source unknown, probably Phil Harms

[Hans Etzrodt]

quote:
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1900-04-18 US
Long Island Road Race
Springfield - Babylon (wherever that is) – Springfield 80,465 km
winner: A. L. Riker / Riker elektric 24,3 mph

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I have the date April 14:

The April 18 date is from Charles Betts' 1948 records, which formed the basis for others to follow.

[Kvadrat]

Originally posted by Egon Thurner
1900-04-23 - 1900-05-10 UK
1000 Miles Trial
London (Hyde Park) - Bristol - Birmingham - Kendal - (Shap Fell Hillclimb) - Carlisle - Edinburgh - Newcastle - Leeds - Sheffield - (Welbeck Park Speed Trials) - Nottingham - London
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1000 Mile Trial site with much more information: http://www.users.glo...t.co.uk/~adamw/

[billthekat]

Originally posted by Hans Etzrodt
The April 18 date is from Charles Betts' 1948 records, which formed the basis for others to follow.

My problem is that my Betts and other similar material are all on microfilm and not readily accessible without having to take a trip to the local library and then hoping that at least one of the microfilm readers is still working....

[gerrit stevens]

Originally posted by fines


I have the date April 14:

1. Andrew Riker, #1 Riker, 2500lbs, 2:03'30"
2. S. T. Davis, Locomobile, 4.5hp, 2:18'27"
3. Alexander Fischer, #9 Gasmobile, 5hp, 2:30'01"
4. David Bishop, #5 Winton, 6hp, 2:38'08"
5. Albert Bostwick, #4 Winton, 6hp, 2:46'40"
6. George Chamberlin, Winton, 6hp, 2:48'42"
7. C. J. Field, De Dion-Bouton, 3:12'54"

source unknown, probably Phil Harms

I have these results indeed from Phil Harms.
The source were AAA records and the NY Times.

The date was indeed 14t April.
A few additioms
W.H. Hall (Locomobile Steamer 5hp) out after 42 miles
Dave Morris (Steamer 5hp) out after 38 miles.

Phil Harms provided me with a lot of results from the period 1900-1908 on PDF format. Those who are interested may send me their email addres.


Gerrit Stevens

[gerrit stevens]

Originally posted by Hans Etzrodt

1900-02-18 F?
Course Du Catalogue - Melun (2 laps) winner ?
see my list; source: Gerald Rose: A Record of Motor Racing 1894-1908, pg. 107

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I have

Course du Catalogue
18 February 1900 – Melun Triangular circuit (2 laps) – 72 km

FP Driver Car
Big car class (2 competitors)
1 Leonce Girardot Panhard
2 Degrais Mors

Note:
1. First circuit race, Melun-Chatillon-Nangis-Valence en Brie-Le Chatelot-Melun
2. six classes
3. source: Gerald Rose: A Record of Motor Racing 1894-1908, pg. 107


Gerrit Stevens

[gerrit stevens]

Originally posted by Egon Thurner
1900-04-23 - 1900-05-10 UK
1000 Miles Trial
London (Hyde Park) - Bristol - Birmingham - Kendal - (Shap Fell Hillclimb) - Carlisle - Edinburgh - Newcastle - Leeds - Sheffield - (Welbeck Park Speed Trials) - Nottingham - London

Originally posted by Egon Thurner
1000 Mile Trial site with much more information: http://www.users.glo...t.co.uk/~adamw/

Thanks Egon.
Looks like a kind of rally. Could it be the first ever.

Gerrit Stevens

[Kvadrat]

Try also for pictures this site: http://www.sciencean...o.uk/search.asp

It contains no less than 25 pictures of 1000 Mile Trial, but it has bad search facility. Try various search keywords. I don't remember, how did I get all the pictures.

[KJJ]

Originally posted by Rob29
1900-04-14 UK
Ranelagh Club - 'Ladies Race'
winning lady: Miss Wemblyn / 'Daimler Parisienne' 6HP
Touring cars are not my baby.

This one interests me; Anyone know where Ranelagh is ? Ireland. Maybe first ever race by a woman.

The Ranelagh Club was situated at Barn Elms, Barnes. Primarily a polo club, it also catered for golf, tennis, croquet etc. In the 1890s it ran Ladies carriage driving competions, so I suppose it was a small step to organizing a Ladies horseless carriage event of some sort. What puzzles me is the name of the winner Miss Wemblyn. As far as I can see no such surname exists amongst the millions of names on the various genealogical databases. It would be a pity if the winner of the first "Ladies Race" is condemned to obscurity because of a spelling mistake. Any ideas?

[Hans Etzrodt]

Three rather obscure events from the year 1900, where I have not yet found further information than what is written in each line below. I would like to find out more about these events. Type of vehicle, voiturettes, tricycles or what? Other vehicles and drivers participating? Touring event or race?


July ?, 1900 -- Criterium de Provence (100 km), won in 1h20m15s by Camille Jenatzy (Bolide)


October 13, 1900 -- Westend Trabrennbahn (Berlin) won by Hewald (Wartburg Voiturette)


November 4, 1900 -- Paris-Rouen (Alcohol) (130 km) won in 2h15m00s by Etienne Giraud (Panhard)

[David McKinney]

Can't add anything, except to say that my notes have Giraud winning the Paris-Rouen in a Bollée

[Marc Ceulemans]

Meeting de Provence, July 1, 1900
Salon - Arles - Salon, 100 km

Cars (Voitures)
1- Camille Jenatzy (Bolide 30 HP), 1 h 20' 15" 1/5
2- Cuchelet, 1 h 33' 15" 1/5
3- Vagliano, 1 h 39' 15" 3/5

also entered:
de Farconnet
de Fabrègues
"Levegh" (Alfred Velghe)
Antony
G. Richard

Voiturettes
1- Camus, 1 h 58' 03" 1/5
2- Hachel (or Hactel), 2 h 43' 09" 3/5
3- Chevalier, 2 h 54' 0" 2/5
4- Montel
5- Henri Félix

also entered:
Bar(l)atier
de La Mothe
Marcellin
Haymil
Melinski

+ Motocycles (sorry I have not copied it).

Informations taken from French newspapers. Probabaly some typing errors.

[Hans Etzrodt]

Marc - merci bien.

[LotusElise]

The Ranelagh Club was situated at Barn Elms, Barnes. Primarily a polo club, it also catered for golf, tennis, croquet etc. In the 1890s it ran Ladies carriage driving competions, so I suppose it was a small step to organizing a Ladies horseless carriage event of some sort. What puzzles me is the name of the winner Miss Wemblyn. As far as I can see no such surname exists amongst the millions of names on the various genealogical databases. It would be a pity if the winner of the first "Ladies Race" is condemned to obscurity because of a spelling mistake. Any ideas?

 

I've been doing some digging around this subject recently. "Miss Wemblyn" was actually "Miss Weblyn". She is likely to have been one of the daughters of Clifford Weblyn (Webling), either Katherine or Theodora Jessie. I suspect Katherine; the fact that Miss Weblyn seems to have played no more part in the Edwardian "motoriste" scene tallies with her early death in 1901.

 

There were more ladies' races held at the Ranelagh Club, later under the tutelage of the Ladies' Automobile Club.

http://speedqueens.b...mens-races.html

 

http://www.gracesgui...mobile_Gymkhana

[ReWind]

Katherine Elizabeth Weblyn (1871 - 1901) married as early as 1891. So in 1900 she already was Mrs. Addenbrooke.

 

Theodora Jessie Weblyn (b. circa 1877) married Rupert Tattersall in 1902. So in 1900 she was still Miss Weblyn.

[LotusElise]

It was Theodora then!

[wbschmitt]

My great grandfather (Urgroßvater), Wilhelm Schmitt, won 1st Place: Fernfahrt Nürnberg-Bamberg-Nürnberg 17/06/1900, 16-PS Benz-Rennwagen. He left Germany in the early 1900's. The family now live in Cape Town, South Africa. If anyone has information/pictures of the 1900 race, please post. Thank you