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#701 ensign14

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 19:03

"Race" might be pushing it a bit.

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#702 ghinzani

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 19:56

"Race" might be pushing it a bit.



Pushing it might have been the safest bet!

btw Danner and Foitek, imagine that pairing of party boys!

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 20:21

Pushing it might have been the safest bet!

And the fastest...

#704 HistoryFan

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 15:09

Fabrizio Barbazza
1988: Coloni



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Posted 16 January 2012 - 15:10

One we have not mentioned yet: Stuck turned down an offer from McLaren in 1975, he said in the new book about Jochen Neerpasch.

#706 Tim Murray

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 15:19

Most drivers would have leapt at an offer from McLaren in 1975. Are there any reasons given in the book as to why he turned it down?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 16:32

Bee Emm Double You, presumably...

#708 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 17:40

In an interview with The Sunday Times financial section, Damon Hill said:

What has been your most lucrative work and did you buy anything special with the money?
Easily F1. After winning the world championship, people were prepared to pay me very good money for racing for their team. At one point I was offered £16m for a season by a Swiss team, but I turned them down because I didn’t think I could win with them. I ended up with Arrows, who paid less — but not by that much. I was advised to invest the money, so I gave it to a firm called Insinger de Beaufort, a wealth manager, to look after.



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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:51

Most drivers would have leapt at an offer from McLaren in 1975. Are there any reasons given in the book as to why he turned it down?


he want to race for BMW in IMSA


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:58

Rubens Barrichello
1994: Williams (after Senna crash)
1995: McLaren (test driver)
1996: Benetton, Ferrari, Penske (IndyCar)
1999: Ferrari, Williams, BAR
2003: Jaguar





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Posted 12 February 2012 - 21:34

Verstappen 1994 for Jordan

#712 ensign14

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 22:52

One from this month's Motor Sport - Ian Ashley to Surtees for the close of 1977. He ended up at Hesketh instead.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 08:51

Michael Bartels
1988: Rial

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 16:00

Ricardo Zunino 1981 Ensign (he turned down the offer)

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 16:46

Any almost-moves from Pierluigi Martini?
Why didn't he get a chance in a better car=?

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 20:54

He had a Toleman in 1984, but DNQd in it...

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:02

Yes, but in addition to that?

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 15:51

It may explain why he never got a chance in a better car. That plus his first Minardi season was dreadful, even Rothengatter in an Osella outclassed him. He was a much better driver when he came back but maybe first impressions counted.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 17:11

I was surprised to learn on The Flying Lap that Mario Andretti was given the choice of ALFA or McLaren for 1981 by Marlboro, while ALFA certainly looked the better bet when he made the decision, (pre MP4 remember) Andretti and Watson might have made a very interesting pairing given the way the MP4 turned out.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 20:21

Günther Bechem
1954: Mercedes

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 16:27

Anx almost-moves from Sospiri?

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 20:43

Briatore want Villeneuve to test for Benetton in 1995, Prüller writes.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:38

some more almost-moves:

Jim Clark was in talks to drive for Aston Martin in 1960, but Aston Martin withdraw

Jochen Rindt was in talks with Brabham and March for 1970.

Jackie Stewart has an offer from Ferrari for 1971

BMW want Stefan Bellof driving for Arrows in 1984, but Bellof couldn’t drive sports car races with Porsche, so he turned down the offer.

Ayrton Senna had an McLaren offer from 1986.

Eddie Cheever should drive for Benetton in 1986

1995 were rumours about Martin Brundle come back to Benetton for Herbert.

There were also some talks (not that seriously) from Hill with Ferrari for 1996.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 12:03

some more almost-moves:

Jim Clark was in talks to drive for Aston Martin in 1960, but Aston Martin withdraw


I think Clark HAD signed with AM, but they were gracious enough to let him go when they realised the F1 car wasn't going to be competitive.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 13:44

Stefan Bellof
1983: ATS, Brabham
1984: Arrows
1986: Ferrari, McLaren, Brabham


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Posted 28 March 2012 - 21:12

Any almost moves from Gabriele Tarquini?

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 08:20

Williams wanted Berger in 1989.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 16:50

Renault and elf wanted Prost for 1989 at Williams.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 20:56

"BMW want Stefan Bellof driving for Arrows in 1984, but Bellof couldn’t drive sports car races with Porsche, so he turned down the offer"

Seems odd when Boutsen was allowed too & Surer as well , & not forgetting Fabi was allowed to do several Indycar races in 84

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 21:21

I think the problem here was the clash of tobacco sponsors. Rothmans, the sponsors of the works Porsche team, would not have allowed him to drive for the Barclay-sponsored Arrows team in F1. This was one of the reasons he left Rothmans Porsche at the end of 1984, to broaden his F1 options.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 21:35

I think the problem here was the clash of tobacco sponsors. Rothmans, the sponsors of the works Porsche team, would not have allowed him to drive for the Barclay-sponsored Arrows team in F1. This was one of the reasons he left Rothmans Porsche at the end of 1984, to broaden his F1 options.



You are right ! That would be it as Surer & Boutsen both drover for Kremer Porsche in WEC who had Barclay logos on the cars, so it was not a BMW/Porsche clash as such

Incidentally I remember reading somewhere that Bellof wore a Rothmans Porsche jacket over his overalls at Monaco 84 to keep warm.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 23:22

Incidentally I remember reading somewhere that Bellof wore a Rothmans Porsche jacket over his overalls at Monaco 84 to keep warm.


If it was during the race then he has really gone up in my estimation... :cool:

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 07:47

Jean-Pierre Beltoise
1976: Ligier

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 14:27

There were rumours about Frentzen and Hill switching the cars for 1996.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 22:18

The same era as today and Renault has five test drivers... :drunk:

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1990: Peter Huysman, Mark Blundell, Allen Berg, Marco Grego (no license), Enrico Bertaggia (mid-season), Roberto Moreno (mid-season), Oscar Larrauri (mid-season).


Harald, not Peter Huysman.

Anything to do with Peter Olsen of British F2 fame in the 90s


Nah, that was Olsson as the poster under you said :)

And sorry for very late reply. It's not often I'm here.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 22:30

Berg Allen
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 19:56

From "Grand Prix Story 99"

Diniz was in talks with Ferrari for 2000

Franchitti for Arrows in 2000.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 21:06

From "Grand Prix Story 99"

Diniz was in talks with Ferrari for 2000

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

They must have been extremely short talks.

Diniz: "Can I drive for you please?"

Ferrari: "No."

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 01:27

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

They must have been extremely short talks.

Diniz: "Can I drive for you please?"

Ferrari: "No."


More like

Diniz "would this huge wheelbarrow of money enable me to drive for you"

Ferrari " we checka wid da money launderers, ooops I mean boss's"


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 01:31

I remember Autosport rumours at the time did have him linked to Irvine's seat. But they were saying the same about Button on the back of his Marlboro connection and that his smooth driving style would suit the grooved rubber or something.



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Posted 11 April 2012 - 02:08

I'm interested in just what he would have acheived. The perception of him by 1999 had certainly changed from 1995.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 02:21

I remember Autosport rumours at the time did have him linked to Irvine's seat.


If I remember correctly Peter Windsor wrote an article in F1Racing Mag backing Diniz over Irvine as the number 2 driver for Schumacher.

The guy did okay against Salo and Alesi (both having their moments in Ferraris) so its possible there were some talks...

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 09:49

Prüller writes about economical reasons.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:56

Makes sense. Schumacher was very expensive. Replacing Irvine with Diniz means you save X million on salary(Diniz would be getting his from his sponsors) AND you would be making extra from the sponsors he'd bring. So you'd increase budget and reduce costs in one move.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 13:14

Jackie Stewart has an offer from Ferrari for 1971


That's really weird after what had happened between them just a couple of years earlier.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:33

Makes sense. Schumacher was very expensive. Replacing Irvine with Diniz means you save X million on salary(Diniz would be getting his from his sponsors) AND you would be making extra from the sponsors he'd bring. So you'd increase budget and reduce costs in one move.


and we know with Massa that Ferrari is not against a slow second driver... :smoking:


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 15:59

From F1 Racing:

Zanardi was in talks with Benetton for 1998.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 18:12

after his performance in 1996 and 1997, zanardi was in several talks for 1998. but you better should call it offers from several teams in f1, cause he was not in the right mood to leave ganassi and c.a.r.t. that year.

he also had several offers from briatore from time to time.


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 19:56

I think he should had go to F1 in 1997 with Jordan because with the tyres changing in 1998 some drivers had big problems, as Villeneuve and also I think Zanardi.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 20:33

Irvine was in talks with McLaren and Jordan for 2000.