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[eldougo]

Rebaque F1 1978.

[Amphicar]

The Renault RS01 only carried Renault 'sponsorship', apart from some Elf logos?

They were pretty big Elf logos - not surprising as (at the French Government's behest), Elf was a major sponsor of the team. At the time both Renault and Elf were state-owned - so I guess you could say that the French tax-payer was the real sponsor!

[ensign14]

Spirit started off with a plain white car, can't remember if it had sponsors but if there were they were very small. Then Honda threw a few more bob at them to get the car painted in red white & blue. And then they finished as an unsponsored team IIRC.

[ringers23q]

Theodore TY02 with Derek Daly definitely had no sponsorship other than from Theodore itself.

[ellrosso]

Martin Brundle Adelaide 1985. Maredo is the only large signage.

[Roly01]

How about this one? The early '89 Tyrrell.

http://imageshack.us...8901bra04b.jpg/

Edited by Roly01, 18 November 2011 - 07:34.

[eldougo]

[quote name='ellrosso' date='Nov 18 2011, 14:00' post='5405206']
That the Hotel my friends and i stayed in that year,and we only had a few beers during the stay.

[Arjan de Roos]

Works Brabhams carried no sponsorship until 1972.

Nor did the BT44 before Martini money came in.

At times the Brabs did look quite sponsorless but had a fat sticker on the side from Parmalat or Olivetti. Maybe another thread: "Sponsored cars that did look un-sponsored"?

[bathceltic]

Ronnie Peterson.Quick car running comfortably second at Monaco before crashing on hunt's oil at Tabac and won at Monza in the very lightly sponsored March.

Edited by bathceltic, 22 November 2011 - 22:38.

[LittleChris]

Ronnie Peterson.Quick car running comfortably second at Monaco before crashing on hunt's oil at Tabac and won at Monza in the very lightly sponsored March.

At Monza, I think First National City Bank supplied Ronnies March with some last minute sponsorship after Watties Penske was put to the back of the grid after the infamous fuel irregulaty saga.

[Tony Robinson]

All depends on what you regard as 'sponsorship', I am under the impression that 'proper' sponsorship started with the Yardley BRM's, certainly in the fifities no cars would have been considered sponsored. Tyre and fuel companies supplied their products with only a small logo on the cars to show, but could advertise their success.

Was Rob Walker sponsored?

BRP were sponsored by Yeoman Credit 1959-1960,then by UDT-Laystall 1961-1962, then raced without sponsorship,1963-1964.

[uechtel]

Browsing through the RSC photo gallery I am surprised to see pictures of Ronnie Peterson´s March in 1976 in blue and yellow Swedish colours, where besides some inevtiable supplier´s stickers (Goodyear, Champion...) the car is almost completely unsponsored. So I wonder about the financial set-up. Normally with signing up a star driver of Peterson´s ability and popularity I would expect, that the team would have to pay him a regular salary, which of course would be re-financed by selling the whole 'package' (team plus attractive driver) to a main sponsor. Or on the other hand, a driver would buy himself into a cockpit with money from a personal sponsor (obviously like Brambilla with Beta sponsorship in the sister car). But in both cases I would expect some major sponsorship on the car. So what was the deal? Did Peterson, after he had left the Lotus team after the first race of the season offer himself to March for free? But then is still the question, with a driver of his format in the bag, why couldn´t March find any serious sponsorship for his car?

 

South Africa: blue-yellow paint with Swedish flag on the nose, US flag on the airbox (?), minor Shell, Champion and Goodyear stickers with lots of empty space on the car. Was there some Swedish money (from the state, the Swedish Automobile Club, the Swedish tourist board etc.)?

Long Beach: plain white paint with sponsorship of Theodore Racing Hongkong (like on Stuck´s sister car), minor Goodyear and Champion stickers; obviously a one-off deal with Teddy Yip

Spain: Plain blue and yellow (no flag anymore), Goodyear, Champion and Duckhams stickers

Belgium: basically the same as in Spain

Monaco: blue and yellow colour, major Sponsorship for Monaco Fine Arts Gallery on nose, rear wing and sidepots, Duckhams, Fina and Goodyear stickers

Sweden: Full sponsorship from First National City Travellers Checks, car painted in the sponsor´s colours (red-white-blue), Stickers from Goodyear, Duckhams, Champion

France: Back to blue and yellow again (maybe using different chassis). major sponsorhsip from Duckhams with additional Goodyear and Champion stickers

Great Britain: blue-yellow, major sponsorship from Macconnal(?)-Mason Gallery Fine Paintings (nose, sidepots) plus Duckhams, Goodyear and Champion stickers

Germany: Full First National City sponsorship, Goodyear, Duckhams and Champion stickers

Austria: Same as in Germany

Netherlands: basic white colour, major sponsorship from John Day Model Cars (Stuck´s car?), at some time 'erased' with black tape(!); Duckhams, Champion and Goodyear stickers

Italy: Full First National City sponsorship, Goodyear, Duckhams and Champion stickers

Canada: Still in red-white-blue colours but without any major sponsorship, Goodyear and Champion stickers

USA: red-white-blue paint, Goodyear, Duckhams and Champion stickers

Japan: car in red-white-blue, only few a Goodyear and Champion stickers

 

Some additional remarks:

Stuck, who was driving for the team from 1974 to 1976, seemingly did have similar mystery fundings, as with some occasional exceptions (Jägermeister, John Day, Lavazza) his cars were also most of the time unsponsored. Did the team solely live from Brambilla´s (Beta) and Lombardi´s (Lavazza) money?

And mentioning Teddy Yip, he is on my list of Formula 1´s mysterious 'patrons'. 'Sponsoring' the Ensign team from 1974, buying Shadow and then finally merging both in 1982 I always wondered where he could take all the money from and what kind of return he did get (or expect) for his investments? Was it mere enthusiasm?

 

 

 

 

Edited by uechtel, 07 January 2017 - 00:02.

[uechtel]

List of other teams, that did regular participate (or at least intend to do) without 'serious' full season sponsorship:

 

1970:

McLaren

Williams

Brabham - deal with Auto Motor und Sport for Stommelen´s car, but Brabham´s own car unsponsored

Surtees

 

1971:

McLaren

Brabham

 

1972:

Brabham - Hill´s car mainly white with occasional Esso sponsorship while the team mates had personal sponsors (CAP Argentine meat for Reutemann, Bardahl for W. Fittipaldi)

Surtees - Schenken´s car unsponsored, while sistercars were sponsored by Brooke Bond Oxo/Rob Walker (Hailwood) and Ceramica Pagnossin (de Adamich)

 

1973:

Brabham - again only personal sponsors (CAP, Brasil, Ceramica Pagnossin) on mainly white cars

Surtees - Jochen Mass´car in plain white

March - lost main sponsor STP during the season

Ensign - obviously living from von Opel´s money

Hesketh

BRM - Motul stickers were very small at the beginning of the season

 

1974:

Brabham

Ensign - Theodore Racing for Schuppan

Hesketh

March - Stuck´s car mostly unsponsored throughout the season

Hexagon - sponsor or team?

Amon

Token

Trojan

 

1975:

Stanley-BRM

Hesketh

Parnelli

March - Stuck´s and Lombardi´s cars with very little sponsorship

 

1976:

March - Peterson´s and Stuck´s cars

Shadow - after losing UOP sponsorship

Wolf (Williams) - sponsoring or patronage?

Hesketh - minor sponsoring on Ertl´s car for the most of the season

 

1977:

Wolf

Merzario

Hesketh - Rebaque´s car

Ensign - Theodore sponoring on Tambay´s car

 

1978

Ensign - changin sponsors

Theodore - minor sponsors only

Wolf

Merzario - before Flor Bath

Rebaque - personal money

 

1979

Shadow - de Angelis´ car unsponsored

Ensign - Theodore Racing

Tyrrell - before Candy sponsorship

Rebaque

 

[arttidesco]

Browsing through the RSC photo gallery I am surprised to see pictures of Ronnie Peterson´s March in 1976 in blue and yellow Swedish colours, where besides some inevtiable supplier´s stickers (Goodyear, Champion...) the car is almost completely unsponsored. So I wonder about the financial set-up. Normally with signing up a star driver of Peterson´s ability and popularity I would expect, that the team would have to pay him a regular salary, which of course would be re-financed by selling the whole 'package' (team plus attractive driver) to a main sponsor. Or on the other hand, a driver would buy himself into a cockpit with money from a personal sponsor (obviously like Brambilla with Beta sponsorship in the sister car). But in both cases I would expect some major sponsorship on the car. So what was the deal? Did Peterson, after he had left the Lotus team after the first race of the season offer himself to March for free? But then is still the question, with a driver of his format in the bag, why couldn´t March find any serious sponsorship for his car?

 

South Africa: blue-yellow paint with Swedish flag on the nose, US flag on the airbox (?), minor Shell, Champion and Goodyear stickers with lots of empty space on the car. Was there some Swedish money (from the state, the Swedish Automobile Club, the Swedish tourist board etc.)?

Long Beach: plain white paint with sponsorship of Theodore Racing Hongkong (like on Stuck´s sister car), minor Goodyear and Champion stickers; obviously a one-off deal with Teddy Yip

Spain: Plain blue and yellow (no flag anymore), Goodyear, Champion and Duckhams stickers

Belgium: basically the same as in Spain

Monaco: blue and yellow colour, major Sponsorship for Monaco Fine Arts Gallery on nose, rear wing and sidepots, Duckhams, Fina and Goodyear stickers

Sweden: Full sponsorship from First National City Travellers Checks, car painted in the sponsor´s colours (red-white-blue), Stickers from Goodyear, Duckhams, Champion

France: Back to blue and yellow again (maybe using different chassis). major sponsorhsip from Duckhams with additional Goodyear and Champion stickers

Great Britain: blue-yellow, major sponsorship from Macconnal(?)-Mason Gallery Fine Paintings (nose, sidepots) plus Duckhams, Goodyear and Champion stickers

Germany: Full First National City sponsorship, Goodyear, Duckhams and Champion stickers

Austria: Same as in Germany

Netherlands: basic white colour, major sponsorship from John Day Model Cars (Stuck´s car?), at some time 'erased' with black tape(!); Duckhams, Champion and Goodyear stickers

Italy: Full First National City sponsorship, Goodyear, Duckhams and Champion stickers

Canada: Still in red-white-blue colours but without any major sponsorship, Goodyear and Champion stickers

USA: red-white-blue paint, Goodyear, Duckhams and Champion stickers

Japan: car in red-white-blue, only few a Goodyear and Champion stickers

 

Some additional remarks:

Stuck, who was driving for the team from 1974 to 1976, seemingly did have similar mystery fundings, as with some occasional exceptions (Jägermeister, John Day, Lavazza) his cars were also most of the time unsponsored. Did the team solely live from Brambilla´s (Beta) and Lombardi´s (Lavazza) money?

And mentioning Teddy Yip, he is on my list of Formula 1´s mysterious 'patrons'. 'Sponsoring' the Ensign team from 1974, buying Shadow and then finally merging both in 1982 I always wondered where he could take all the money from and what kind of return he did get (or expect) for his investments? Was it mere enthusiasm?

 

Ronnie had a private patron Count Zanon.

[uechtel]

But if so why didn´t he place some Lavazza stickers at least?

[Mallory Dan]

Stuck had BMW DMs didn't he?

[chdphd]

Minardi did a sponsorless car for the 2004 British Grand Prix in respect to John Walton.

 

 

[PeterElleray]

But if so why didn´t he place some Lavazza stickers at least?

Perhaps because the commodity being promoted was Ronnie...

[D-Type]

And the first F1 sponsorship?  The Vandervell-entered Thin Wall Special - a Ferrari using Vandervell Thin Wall bearings?  

 

And Indianapolis was in an alternative universe so doesn't count.

Edited by D-Type, 07 January 2017 - 15:15.

[arttidesco]

But if so why didn´t he place some Lavazza stickers at least?

 

Alturism is not something all wish to always publicise, sometimes it is rewarding in and of itself.

 

 

As has been mentioned already the #3 Tyrrell 011 of Michele Alboreto ran without sponsorship on occasion above at the 1982 British GP Q9 retired after 44 laps with engine problems.

[PeterElleray]

Sponsors name prominent on sidepod ! - Tyrrell Racing Organisation accounts for that year online if you start with Mercedes GP and work back!

[arttidesco]

Sponsors name prominent on sidepod ! - Tyrrell Racing Organisation accounts for that year online if you start with Mercedes GP and work back!

 

Indeed does that make Michele a Mercedes driver or Lewis a Tyrrell driver   

[PeterElleray]

Not quite....

 

The  Tyrrell Racing organisation was never liquidated or bankrupted or wound  up - it was just sold on, and the company registration was merely updated to reflect the change of name and owner  through the BAR, Honda, Brawn GP and Mercedes era's - check it out if you don't believe it

 

Technically Lewis does drive for a company with the same registration at companies house.

Edited by PeterElleray, 07 January 2017 - 15:45.

[arttidesco]

Not quite....

 

The  Tyrrell Racing organisation was never liquidated or bankrupted or wound  up - it was just sold on, and the company registration was merely updated to reflect the change of name and owner  through the BAR, Honda, Brawn GP and Mercedes era's - check it out if you don't believe it

 

Technically Lewis does drive for a company with the same registration at companies house.

 

Already have , thanks for bringing it to my attention

[PeterElleray]

Did you find the accounts? Absolutely fascinating insight into what it did take to run an F1 team and win a GP in 1982

 

Edit : Make that 1983, check out the 1984 accounts. 

Edited by PeterElleray, 07 January 2017 - 16:10.

[arttidesco]

Did you find the accounts? Absolutely fascinating insight into what it did take to run an F1 team and win a GP in 1982

 

Edit : Make that 1983, check out the 1984 accounts. 

 

No but I will look for them now

[MCS]

But if so why didn´t he place some Lavazza stickers at least?

 

Words fail me.

[MCS]

No but I will look for them now

 

Fascinating.  With references also to "Tyrell" (sic) Racing and Matra International.  Wow.

[PeterElleray]

I have been looking in vain for 'Team Lotus' and 'Brabham', under their many and various guises, with no luck so far.. Funny that..

 

Traces of the original McLaren group of companies are there, with no accounts filed on line, but they run out in the early 1980's..