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[D. Heimgartner]

Greetings,

Have I just seen one of the most fabulous tracks... the Schleizer Dreick. The motorcycle show "Motobike" on DSF showed a bit of coverage of the annual IDM race at the track, which is located near Plauen in Germany.

Here's a bit of text from motorvision.de about the track.

Die international Deutsche Motorradmeisterschaft, kurz IDM, ist in diesem Jahr zum letzten mal zu Gast auf dem traditionellen Schleizer Dreieck.
1998 feierte man hier 75tes Jubiläum – somit ist dieser Rundkurs in der Nähe von Plauen die älteste Naturrennstrecke Deutschlands. Auf 6,81 km machen 22 Kurven das Fahren zu einer sportlichen Herausforderung. Seit 1923 fährt hier alles, was auf zwei Rädern Rang und Namen hat Das war für uns der Anlaß hier vorbeizuschauen. Weitere Themen der Sendung sind : Shell Story, Honda Pan European, Ducati 998 und wie immer News und Service.

To paraphrase, the German motorbike championship is for the last time the guest on the traditional Schleizer Dreieck. In 1998 it celebrated its 75 anniversary--thus it is the oldest natural course of Germany. On 6.81 km, 22 curves make the driving a real challenge.

Anyway, this course is very Spa like, a track that uses real streets and has its front stretch actually run through a town. It is very high speed, but also has two hairpins. The reason the IDM is racing here for the last time is because of a lack of safety... I wish I'd have a track map... but believe me when I say this place is fantastic.

Now... who has heard of this track, and why isn't it famous? Have any of the major series ever raced here before?

Just found a track map:

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Also info at: www.schleizer-dreieck.de.

[Mark Beckman]

Yet another track that can be virtually experienced in the game "Grand Prix Legends".

[Rainer Nyberg]

http://www.atlasf1.c...ighlight=Melkus

Some results are to be found in the above thread.

Another track map from Darren's website.

[anjakub]

For people from my part of Europe (former socialist, in other words communist, countries) the Schleizer Dreieck is one of the famous track.

For a start several numbers about three days events (qualification and motorbike and automobile races) at Schleiz:
1980: 215 000 spectators - almost 400 drivers from 7 socialist countries - 13 races
1981: 240 000 spectators
1988: 210 000 spectators - 13 races
1989: 220 000 spectators - 481 drivers from 14 countries - 17 races

The major series were the Cup of the Peace and Friendship (Cup of the socialist countries) and, of course, DDR-Meisterschaft (championship of the German Democratic Republic).

Winner of the Cup of the Peace and Friendship:
1970 Vladislav Ondrejik (CS) Lotus Ford
1972 Jaroslav Bobek (CS) MTX 1-01
1973 Wolfgang Kuther (DDR) Melkus
1974 Karel Jilek (CS) MTX 1-02
1975 Hartmut Thassler (DDR) HTS
1976 Ulli Melkus (DDR) SEG
1977 Ulli Melkus (DDR) MT 77
1978 Heiner Lindner (DDR) MT 77
1979 Vaclav Lim (CS) Avia AE-2
1980 Frieder Kramer (DDR) MT 77-1
1981 Frieder Kramer (DDR) MT 77-1
1982 Bernd Kasper (DDR) MT 77-1
1983 Ulli Melkus (DDR) MT 77-1
1984 Jan Vesely (CS) RAF 80-05
1985 Ulli Melkus (DDR) MT 77-1
1986 Bernd Kasper (DDR) MT77-1
1987 Ulli Melkus (DDR) MT 77-1
1988 Viktor Kozankov (SU) Estonia 21M
1989 Toivo Asmer (SU) Estonia 21-10

Winners of the GDR championship:
1974 Karel Jilek (CS) MTX 1-02
1975 Hartmut Thassler (DDR) HTS
1976 Ulli Melkus (DDR) SEG
1977 Wolfgang Günther (DDR) SEG
1978 Heiner Lindner (DDR) MT 77
1979 Ulli Melkus (DDR) MT 77
1980 Frieder Kramer (DDR) MT 77-1
1981 Frieder Kramer (DDR) MT 77-1
1982 Frieder Kramer (DDR) MT 77-1
1983 Ulli Melkus (DDR) MT 77-1
1984 Ulli Melkus (DDR) MT 77-1
1985 Bernd Kasper (DDR) MT 77-1
1986 Bernd Kasper (DDR) MT 77-1
1987 Bernd Kasper (DDR) MT 77-1
1988 Bernd Kasper (DDR) MT 77-1
1989 Heinz Siegert (DDR) MT77 (1300)
Adolf Fesarek (CS) ? (1600)
1990 Chris Vogler (D) Görlich-R

Note: 1973-1975 class C9 to 1300 cc (Formula Easter), 1976-1982 class B8 to 1300 cc (Formula Easter), 1983-1989 group E to 1300 cc (Formula Easter), 1989-1990 group E to 1600 cc (Formula Mondial).


And for interested in moto races - winners of the motorbike GDR championship

Class 50 cc
1974 Fendrich (CS) Ahra, 1975 Knapp (DDR) Kreidler, 1976 Fendrich (CS) Kreidler, 1977 Havrda (CS) Kreidler, 1978 Gernot Weser (DDR) Kreidler, 1979 Gernot Weser (DDR) Kreidler, 1980 Boje (YU) Kreidler, 1981 Peter Verbic (YU) Kreidler, 1982 Peter Verbic (YU) Kreidler, 1983 Peter Verbic (YU) Kreidler, 1984 Heiner Schulz (DDR) Eigenbau, 1985 Maik Beelitz (DDR) Eigenbau, 1986 Zbynek Havrda (CS), 1987 Thomas Müller (DDR)

Class 80 cc
1986 Karoly Juhasz (H) Casal, 1987 Janez Pintar (YU), 1988 Karoly Juhasz (H), 1989 Janos Szabo (H), 1990 Müller (DDR) MZ

Class 125 cc
1974 Bischoff (DDR) MZ, 1975 Jürgen Lenk (DDR) MZ, 1976 Wendler (DDR) MZ, 1977 Janos Drapal (H) Morbidelli, 1978 Frank Wendler (DDR) MZ-HB, 1979 Havrda (CS) Morbidelli, 1980 Janos Drapal (H) Morbidelli, 1981 Janos Drapal (H) Morbidelli, 1982 Janos Drapal (H) Morbidelli, 1983 Janos Drapal (H) MBA, 1984 Janez Pintar (YU) MBA, 1985 Janez Pintar (YU) MBA, 1986 Janez Pintar (YU) MBA, 1987 Janez Pintar (YU) MBA, 1988 Janez Pintar (YU) MBA, 1989 Attila Csösz (H) Honda, 1990 Frank Rien (DDR) MBA

Class 250 cc (from 1981 two cylinders)
1974 Janos Drapal (H) Yamaha, 1975 Jürgen Lenk (DDR) MZ, 1976 Janos Drapal (H) Yamaha, 1977 Janos Drapal (H) Yamaha, 1978 Janos Drapal (H) Yamaha, 1979 Karoly Juhasz (H) Yamaha, 1980 Janos Drapal (H) Yamaha, 1981 Janos Drapal (H) Yamaha, 1982 Janos Drapal (H) Yamaha, 1983 Harsfai (H) Yamaha, 1984 Janos Drapal (H) Yamaha, 1985 Arpad Harmati (H) Yamaha, 1986 Janos Szabo (H) Hummel, 1987 Janos Szabo (H), 1988 Zdravko Leljak (YU) Honda, 1989 Martin Sraj (YU) Yamaha, 1990 Frank Rien (DDR) Yamaha,

Class 250 cc (one cylinder)
1981 Holstein (DDR) HB, 1982 Lutz Brandenburger (DDR) MZ-HB, 1983 Eduardo Cenzano (Cuba) MZ, 1984 Lutz Brandenburger (DDR) MZ-HB, 1985 Jose Moreno (Cuba) MZ, 1986 Eduardo Cenzano (Cuba) MZ, 1987 Michael Freudenburg (DDR) MZ, 1988 Michael Freudenburg (DDR) MZ, 1989 Michael Freudenburg (DDR) MZ, 1990 Michael Freudenburg (DDR) MZH,

Class 500 cc
1988 Silvo Habat (YU) Honda (class 500 cc - first time after 28 years), 1989 Pavel Dekanek (CS) , 1990 Johannes Kehrer (DDR) Yamaha,

Sorry, results only from last years existence of the German Democratic Republic

[dmj]

I believe it was Silvio Habat, not "Silvo".

[anjakub]

dmj,
That's true.
Silvio Habat - rider and painter from Ljubljana.

[ghinzani]

Just seen bits of it on the Superside review - looks nuts!

[LittleChris]

Sadly it's been much reduced in length over the last few years with a new start finish straight that starts with a left hander just after Seng, cuts across country and joins the old track roughly where the 2nd stand after the s/f of the old circuit is shown on the map. Prior to this the circuit had already been shortened with a link bypassing Schleiz town itself.