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[Brun]

Has anyone ever been to the Eifel Klassik, on the Nurbürgring? Is it worth a visit? I am thinking of going this year, but have no idea what to expect.

[Holger Merten]

Hi Brun, I have been there several times. It's a serious and nice event which all categories of racing cars. And all the visitors are specialist, no sponsor hype with champagne paddocks and special Ferrari parking. And if Audi is the sponsor, than you have the chance to see the silver arrows. I organized the first rollout of the d-types in 1994 (or was it in 1993), no it was 1994. There is only one thing: the weather. That could be hard: Cold, wet and the fog. May you couldn't see anything.

[Udo K.]

I will be there this year for the first time.

According to the press information its worth the visit. The ADAC claims it to be the biggest oldtimer event in Europe. Well, the 1000 KM race on the Nordschleife (divided into two 500 Kms) alone should be tempting enough.

Weather COULD be a problem. I lived at the Ring for many years and I also experienced nice warm and sunny days in early October. Why not this time?

[David T.]

Why not, why not....

[Udo K.]

Originally posted by David T.
Why not, why not....

.... but you do bring your raincoat, David..?

[David T.]

Sure, already looking for it in my old military service box....

[Holger Merten]

HelloBrun,

I got an Audi press release today (from Auto Union GmbH, the history dept. of Audi) for the Eifel Klassik. The programm will be very interesting, cause Nürburgring GmbH will celebrate the 75th birthday of the ring.

You could see the Auto Union C Type (1936) on the track. May you can compare them with MB.
The NSU 6/60 Kompressorrennwagen (1926)which won the first german GP 1926 on the AVUS.
An DKW F 93 Cabriolet (1956), , only 25 were ever built.
An Audi 920 from 1938; the last Audi pre war modell.

All cars on the track, sounds interesting, and as I knew that event, it's really very familiar there.

Enjoy and take some pictures.

[Hans Etzrodt]

Originally posted by Holger Merten
.....The NSU 6/60 Kompressorrennwagen (1926)which won the first german GP 1926 on the AVUS......

The NSU driven by Georg Klöble won the 1.5-liter class of this event. Overall winner was Caracciola in the 2-liter Mercedes.

[Holger Merten]

Sure Hans, I quick translated the press release text.

Could you imagine, Audi would write anything about those Mercedes? Or a 2l-class?

Nevertheless, Brun, you have to make that trip. Also for the 1,5l class and the V-16 engined class.

[Vilcornell]

Did you know how kind of car will race in the 1000km? I'm thinking to come from Milan, if it worth the trip; I would like to find cars like 917 or T70 or something '60 / '70 like that, is it the right event?

Thanks

[Holger Merten]

Originally posted by Vilcornell
Did you know how kind of car will race in the 1000km? I'm thinking to come from Milan, if it worth the trip; I would like to find cars like 917 or T70 or something '60 / '70 like that, is it the right event?

Thanks

Vilcornbell, may you have a look at this pdf (it's in german, no english version is available).
http://www.nuerburgr...ad/ek-flyer.pdf

The official website www.eifelklassik.com is under construction.

But Eifelklassik isn't that Event of Porsche 917 or Can Am Racers. You can meet them more at the "Jan Wellem Pokal" or the "Oldtimer Grand Prix". But I asked EiffelKlassik via mail about the starters and will came back, if I know more.

[Vilcornell]

Thanks for all, Holger

[Vilcornell]

This is the answer to my mail; no northenloop :

The race is not on the Northernloop. It is on
Grand Prix. Perhaps you can see cars from 60/70
Porsche 917, lola t70.

For an accommodation please call thes Number:
+49 02691/302-610 or go on these Website:
www.Dorint-Hotel.de

Best regards

Nürburgring GmbH
Marketing / Vertrieb
53520 Nürburg / Eifel

[Udo K.]

Originally posted by Vilcornell
This is the answer to my mail; no northenloop :

The two-part 1000 KM race will be on the Nordschleife, as well as the "Eifel-Klassik" !!!!

http://www.eifelklas...om/Zeitplan.htm

[Vilcornell]

[Vilcornell]

OK, understood, thanks Udo

[ThomasR]

You should visit the Oldtimer GP taking place early/mid in August
This year was very fine.
Instead of the TGP-Series the Force GP came. Not only DFV-engined cars.
Some BRM with it's wonderful V12. It was a 1971 Yardley and a 1973 Marlboro BRM. There were 2 McLaren a M23 and a M26, a Lotus 76, some Heskeths and Surtees, 3(!!!)1967 cars. Cooper Maserati, Cooper Alfa and a BRM
Sadly I missed the JPS 7 2 Lotus on Saturday, it just made one lap and my cam was not ready
For the sportscar fans there were a bunch of T70ies and Chevrons. Also a Porsche 908 and some demo laps of the Bentley EXP Speed 8 with Eric van de Poele at the wheel.
Sadly this year the big bangers of CanAm didn't attend the race. Don't ask me why, hopefully I'll see them next near.
BUT, the Historic Group C was there, with Jag, Porsche, Ecosse, and Aston Martin!!!

I have to eat now, later the night I'll give you some pics from the event

[ThomasR]

You should visit the Oldtimer GP taking place early/mid in August
This year was very fine.
Instead of the TGP-Series the Force GP came. Not only DFV-engined cars.
Some BRM with it's wonderful V12. It was a 1971 Yardley and a 1973 Marlboro BRM. There were 2 McLaren a M23 and a M26, a Lotus 76, some Heskeths and Surtees, 3(!!!)1967 cars. Cooper Maserati, Cooper Alfa and a BRM
Sadly I missed the JPS 72 Lotus on Saturday, it just made one lap and my cam was not ready
For the sportscar fans there were a bunch of T70ies and Chevrons. Also a Porsche 908 and some demo laps of the Bentley EXP Speed 8 with Eric van de Poele at the wheel.
Sadly this year the big bangers of CanAm didn't attend the race. Don't ask me why, hopefully I'll see them next near.
BUT, the Historic Group C was there, with Jag, Porsche, Ecosse, and Aston Martin!!!

I have to eat now, later the night I'll give you some pics from the event

[Holger Merten]

MKMMMMMHHHHHHHHHH, Oldtimer Grand Prix

this event, where everything is reserved for Ferrari F 40 Drivers, or that champaign society looking down to those guys repairing their cars by night, where you find those weekend drivers, which for the Ring is only a beautiful weekend trip and only in the summer?

I like these other events at the ring, when it's raining, fog comes above, and there are the real spectators, who could clap their hands, knowing what it means a drivers change, and to have the car in good condition. Like the Jan Wellem Pokal or Eifel Klassik. Hardcore Oldtimer Racing for Hardcore Fans!

And if you know that society, than it's funny. By the way, I made an event, when the old DTM (German Touring championship) cracks of Audi (driving the V8 in DTM): Hans Stuck junior and Frank Jelinski and Hubert Haupt drove for and with the Oldtimer Auto Union Junior team with drivers change. Hey, that was funny for all of us: spectators, Junior owners and the DTM stars, which overall made place 1, 2, 3 in their class, and one made second in that categorie.

[Udo K.]

Originally posted by Holger Merten
I like these other events at the ring, when it's raining, fog comes above, and there are the real spectators, who could clap their hands, knowing what it means a drivers change, and to have the car in good condition. Like the Jan Wellem Pokal or Eifel Klassik. Hardcore Oldtimer Racing for Hardcore Fans!

[/B]

I have to agree.
It was great to walk up from Brünnchen to Karussell along the Nordschleife on Saturday morning for the first (dry !) run of the 1000 KM race. To see Walther Röhrl in the Porsche 904 sideways through these sections was really phantastic. And it was great to note that there plenty of people watching. On Sunday it was pouring down for the whole of the race. David and I still had great fun
kneeling behind the armco at Pflanzgarten and taking pictures of the cars at very close distance.
Then the fog came and at about noon time we had 1968 GP-conditions again. A pity that we could not witness the demonstration of the Auto-Union C (replica), which was cancelled due to the fog. Still we all had the chance to see the car in the pits and talking to the Audi people.
Great weekend and not to compare with the Oldtimer Grand Prix, which might have the better
field of racing cars, especially on the sports car side, but still... this was was special!

[ThomasR]

Well, you have to stay out out the Ferrari district. Look at the campers outside or look at the people on the grandstands. Of course you will always see VIPs , but most of the people are normal racefans who want to see the cars they've seen 30 years ago or who want to see cars they've just heard about like me (born 84)

here's the 1973 Marlboro BRM with a closer look to the engine

http://forum.racesim...=&postid=349786

[Holger Merten]

Not so easy to logg in:

Originally posted by ThomasR


http://forum.racesim...=&postid=349786

You are right, if you love those Can-Am racers, than it's fine - and I loved it standing in the box and those thunderbolts came across the line. But what is an event where the best days are the practise days, cause of the atmosphere. Sure here you have the race fans, but on saturday/sunday everything is closed for them. Thats what I mean. And this event depends on the VIP clubs and makes money with the VIPS. So once again, compare it with the "Eifel Klassik" or the "Saison Finale" (saisons last race - end of october, I think). just about the atmosphere. And if you are member of the Renault Alpine Club for example, then there is nop place for you inside the circuit.

[ThomasR]

Probs with the pic or what.
may be it's members only, but i deleted all my cookies and the history and tried again. it works

but hey, these vips are funny. cute girl with her porsche vip husband in a short skirt and a blouse. "honey, it's so cold" this year it was around 10°C

I also love to stand at the pit exit when the historic GP cars go out. I can't understand why people use earplugs there. Hey, it's 5 metres away. the whole field stands there and waits for the green light and then they just floor it and 1,5 mins later they come back with around 250kph on the s/f straight. Lovely sound!!!

btw. has anyone attended "Le Grand Prix historique de Monaco"?
How are the prices there. It must be worth a visit 'cause you can't get closer to a f1 car at the limit

[Holger Merten]

Originally posted by ThomasR
I can't understand why people use earplugs there. Hey, it's 5 metres away. the whole field stands there and waits for the green light and then they just floor it and 1,5 mins later they come back with around 250kph on the s/f straight. Lovely sound!!!

The sound is also lovely with earplugs. Hey it rumoured all through your body if those Can-Am race maschines cross the line in a second. And it's not so noisy.

[ThomasR]

Yeah, the whole T4 grandstand was shakin' (First corner) I was scared that it might collapse
What must have been even better was the Interserie at the Norisring with the old Stonegrandstand, my daddy told me about this

And I never use earplugs. I watched the whole German500 without. They gave the people without plugs a pack for free if they didn't had some. They costed 3€ at the merchandise shop. I took my pack and stuffed it in my bag and now it's somewhere in my room - untouched

PS: I never attended a todays F1 GP, just saw the McLaren 2 seater without earplugs