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#1 Barry Boor

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Posted 10 September 2002 - 21:48

As is my wont, I have just picked up what seems to be a very unusual die-cast model. It is a silver Testa Rossa Ferrari, with a red stripe down the bonnet. It wears #16 and is supposedly a replica of a car driven at Mugello in 1958 by Phil Hill.

I have looked at the excellent Sports Car Racing website, but can find no record of any race at Mugello in 1958.

Can anyone toss a modicum of illumination on this one, os gwelwch yn dda?

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#2 Vitesse2

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Posted 10 September 2002 - 22:13

1955 maybe? There was a sports car race that year called the Targa Mugello. Hill doesn't feature in the first three though. And how that fits with a Testa Rossa I'm not sure ....

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Posted 10 September 2002 - 22:21

The Testa Rossa's initial incarnation, the TR58 of 1958, won four FIA Sports Car World Championship rounds. Phil Hill and Peter Collins won the 1958 Buenos Aires 1000 Kilometers and Sebring 12 Hours as TR58s finished 1-2 in each event. Luigi Musso and Olivier Gendebien teamed in a TR58 to win the 1958 Targa Florio and Olivier Gendebien and Phil Hill won the 1958 LeMans 24 Hours in a TR58. A TR58 didn't win the 1958 Nurburgring 1000 Kilometers but TR58s finished 2-3-4-5! Stirling Moss and Jack Brabham won the race for Aston Martin.

#4 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 11 September 2002 - 09:03

Barry

You didn't buy it from Wheels Model Cars in Criccieth, North Wales did you?

In their advert in the July Motor Sport they have this classic.

Ganzalas Squalo French GP 1954. First ever Ferrari winner.

#5 alessandro silva

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Posted 11 September 2002 - 09:18

Originally posted by WGD706
The Testa Rossa's initial incarnation, the TR58 of 1958, won four FIA Sports Car World Championship rounds.


A Ferrari 500 Testa Rossa 2L 4cyl was produced starting 1956 substituting for the 500 Mondial.

Originally posted by Vitesse 2

1955 maybe? There was a sports car race that year called the Targa Mugello. Hill doesn't feature in the first
three though. And how that fits with a Testa Rossa I'm not sure ....


There was no other race in Mugello during the 50s than in 1955. The name of the race was X Circuito del Mugello, June 5th 1955. About 300 km-long race with no foreign participation in my records.

#6 dmj

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Posted 11 September 2002 - 13:25

Color scheme is that of Testa Rossa currently owned by a Hong Kong Ferrari collector Brandon Wang and often seen in historical events.

#7 Barry Boor

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Posted 11 September 2002 - 19:38

Aha! A conundrum! I shall have to get in touch with the manufacturers of the model in Italy, to see what they have to say about it.

You didn't buy it from Wheels Model Cars in Criccieth, North Wales did you?



No, Milan, from Ebay as usual. But I have visited that establishment and a magnificent range of very expensive models they have, IF you can find the place. Although in the main street, they are in a converted bank building with no recognition on the outside whatsoever. I walked past it twice!

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Posted 12 September 2002 - 08:46

Originally posted by Barry Boor


No, Milan, from Ebay as usual. But I have visited that establishment and a magnificent range of very expensive models they have, IF you can find the place. Although in the main street, they are in a converted bank building with no recognition on the outside whatsoever. I walked past it twice!


Barry

Well the next time you are in there you had better put them right on the spelling of Gonzalez and the fact that the Squalo wasn't the first Ferrari winner.

#9 Vitesse2

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Posted 12 September 2002 - 11:06

According to my Welsh-English dictionary, Ganzalez is Welsh for Gonzalez, Squalo is Welsh for 375 and French means British. Can't explain the date though :rolleyes: :p

#10 Barry Boor

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Posted 13 September 2002 - 06:46

Color scheme is that of Testa Rossa currently owned by a Hong Kong Ferrari collector Brandon Wang and often seen in historical events.



If this is so, and I hope it is, can the chassis number of this car be located and therefore its history?

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Posted 13 September 2002 - 12:13

I believe it can be. It is really well known car in historic circles, also tested not so long ago by Classic and Sportscar. I will try to find that article and see what it says about car's history.

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Posted 16 September 2002 - 15:47

Silver with red stripe TR 58? John von Neumann car chassis 0710 driven by R GiNTHER with usually number 211 may be

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#13 Barry Boor

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Posted 30 September 2002 - 18:07

:blush: :blush: :blush: Sorry chaps, my mistake! But not my fault. The item description on Ebay said Mugello '58; now that the model has arrived, I find it is actually Mugello '95.

Presumably, therefore, a Festival to which Phil Hill came to drive this silver and red 250 Testa Rossa.