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#1 Robbie

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 08:33

My question: was there ever such a thing a Nice Grand Prix?

The reason I ask is that I saw a film by Juan Vigo -- "A Propos de Nice" -- which is an examination of life in Nice c.1930. The film is full of scenes, cutting from one event to another, and among them is footage of a motor race in which what looks like a contemporaneous racing car hurtles down a hill and around a breathtakingly dangerous looking corner.

Thanks.

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#2 Darren Galpin

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 08:42

Yes. For example, the IV Grand Prix de Nice, 1935.

#3 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 09:01

Nice Grand Prix held in 1933, 1934, 1935, 1946 and 1947

#4 Darren Galpin

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 09:05

I make 1935 the fourth race, so there must have been one earlier.......

#5 Barry Boor

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 09:27

Anyone who has ever been to Nice will, almost certainly have walked along part of the circuit because it ran up and down the main sea side promenade, then turned inland to go around one of the main squares and back out onto the sea front again.

This layout has a vaguely familiar ring to it.......

A circuit plan can be found on Darren's Track Map site.

#6 Doug Nye

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 12:52

Virtually at the dawn of competitive motoring in the nineteen-oh-whatevers, the Nice Week of motor sport was a major sporting/social occasion, enlivening the winter sojourn of many a moneyed knob on the Riviera. Land Speed Records were established there, on the Promenade des Anglais, too...

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#7 Vitesse2

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 13:07

Originally posted by Darren Galpin
I make 1935 the fourth race, so there must have been one earlier.......


Yep - 1932. Formule Libre, but just 30 miles - probably called "Circuit de Nice", if King-Farlow is to be believed. Won by Chiron in a Bugatti.

#8 petefenelon

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 15:44

Originally posted by Doug Nye
Virtually at the dawn of competitive motoring in the nineteen-oh-whatevers, the Nice Week of motor sport was a major sporting/social occasion, enlivening the winter sojourn of many a moneyed knob on the Riviera. Land Speed Records were established there, on the Promenade des Anglais, too...

DCN


I was on holiday in Nice last summer. I think LSRs still are attempted there.... Never knew Twingos could go that fast!

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#9 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 16:42

What a coincidence! Today I am researching the support race to the 1946 Nice GP, the voiturette class.

My "working file" can be seen here:

http://user.tninet.s...q291w/V46_1.htm

Anyone who can add something or make corrections?

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#10 David McKinney

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 18:13

Wasn't Kneppert from Luxembourg?
And I would delete reference to Scaron's Belgian nationality - didn't he become a French citizen during or shortly after WW1?

#11 Leif Snellman

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 18:14

See also
http://www.kolumbus....man/t1.htm#NICE

#12 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 20 September 2002 - 19:51

John Eason Gibson's Motor Racing 1946 has the winner's time as 40m 37.4s and the fastest lap set by Martin (BMW) at 2m 5.8s.

#13 alessandro silva

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 20:00

Stefan, I believe it was Knepper and he was indeed from Luxembourg where he was a notary public.

Also it was Albert Alin not Adrien Alin. It is exchanged in Sheldon for the whole of 1946 and it is wrong.

I searched the French daily L'equipe for voiturette racing in France in 1946 and 1947 and I must say as a consequence that Sheldon is not very satisfactory in that matter. So, if you are willing to accept my suggestion, there is not much of use in having yet another virtual copy of it.

I'll send you privately my findings about the Coupe du Palais de la Méditérranée (which is the correct name of the race).

#14 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 21:19

...1946 and 1947 and I must say as a consequence that Sheldon is not very satisfactory in that matter. So, if you are willing to accept my suggestion, there is not much of use in having yet another virtual copy of it.



I know, I know, but I have to start somewhere and this is my "working-file".

Thanks in advance for your help about this race. Was there more races in Italy than the Coppa Andrea Brezzi at Torino 1945?

Stefan

#15 alessandro silva

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 16:10

Originally posted by Stefan Ornerdal


Was there more races in Italy than the Coppa Andrea Brezzi at Torino 1945?

Stefan


1945
16.12 Mergellina-Posillipo (Naples) hillclimb

1946 (S sports cars, R racing cars)
23.06 II Circuito di Campione d’Italia S 750cc & 1100cc
30.06 VII Circuito di Modena S unlimited
04.08 Circuito di Luino S unlimited
01.09 I Gran Premio di Torino R Formule Internationale (1947)
03.09 Coppa Brezzi R 1100cc u/s & 1500cc u/s
09.09 I Circuito del Lido di Venezia S unlimited
15.09 II Circuito di Genova S unlimited
22.09 I Circuito di Asti S 750 & 1100cc
29.09 III Circuito di Milano R Formule Internationale (1947)
29.09 Coppa Arturo Mercanti (Milano) S unlimited
06.10 II Circuito di Mantova R 1500cc u/s S unlimited
13.10 I Circuito di Voghera S unlimited
27.10 I Circuito di Benevento S 750 & 1100cc

Several hill-climbs

So for small racing cars we have two races: Coppa Brezzi and Mantua in 1946.

#16 Marc Ceulemans

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Posted 21 March 2005 - 12:36

My question: was there ever such a thing a Nice Grand Prix?
The reason I ask is that I saw a film by Juan Vigo -- "A Propos de Nice" -- which is an examination of life in Nice c.1930. The film is full of scenes, cutting from one event to another, and among them is footage of a motor race in which what looks like a contemporaneous racing car hurtles down a hill and around a breathtakingly dangerous looking corner.

Thanks.

I recently have seen the film. The motor race scenes were from an hillclimb, probably La Turbie. One of the cars was a Bugatti.

#17 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 02:56

1932 === 31 July = Nice Circuit Race === Louis Chiron (Bugatti T51)
1933 === 6 August = Nice Grand Prix === Tazio Nuvolari (Maserati 8CM)
1934 === 19 August = Nice Grand Prix === Achille Varzi (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3)
1935 === 18 August = Nice Grand Prix === Tazio Nuvolari (Alfa Romeo Type B/P3)
1946 === 22 April = Nice Grand Prix === Luigi Villoresi (Maserati 4CL)
1947 === 20 July = Nice Grand Prix === Luigi Villoresi (Maserati 4CL)

#18 Kvadrat

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 10:51

I'm looking for information on more obscure Nice meetings.

There are many pictures in Life section of Google Images on 1950 Nice event which seems to be a rally, for example: this one.

People are well dressed so it's early spring or late autumn. Easter? I don't trust "January 1" caption because it's usual practice to fill in this date in database when actual date is unknown.

There were races on shortened GP circuit on April 9, 1950, but this is probably different competition.

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 12:38

Well, its easy to google that April 9, 1950 was Easter Sunday. Does that help?

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#20 Kvadrat

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 15:25

Not yet. Life photos show not races but trials. If someone comfirms that there were trials during Easter meeting...