PHOTO QUIZ NO 92
Posted 21 September 2002 - 21:28
The following two are at the same venue:
Where is this - and who are they - in what?
Guess what - but where?
Then there's this lovely line-up...
Followed by this unlovely ruin - driver somewhat singed but OK, but what 'was' it?
Then there's this bloke in what, where?
Followed by fingers in your ears time, because this was VERY noisy indeed...
But in the peace of a private workshop, what connection does this have with 241mph???
Then there's these chaps running in a Grand Prix...who, what, where?
And these chaps running flat-strap in a series of Grands Prix...query as above...
Admired by this extremely nice lady driver - who, what, where?
Of course there's nothing like encouragement from one's mechanics???
And an easy one to finish with - name them all...
Posted 21 September 2002 - 22:49
Posted 21 September 2002 - 22:52
Can't seem to pin down that pit shot - something non-Championship in 1960?
Is the burnt-out hulk the ERA E-type?
The next one's an Allard I think - in Australia from the look of it.
The noisy one is Silverstone 1973 - Mike Beuttler threading his way through the chaos as de Adamich's Brabham comes to a halt on the grass - the one with the white airbox at the back is Scheckter, isn't it?
No idea on that ugly duckling, but that's Stirling in the Cooper - South Africa maybe?
And the next one is Reims 1967 in the Trophées de France series - including a shot of Brian Hart in the Protos: the odd-looking #48 car.
Don't recognise the lady, but I think the message is directed at James Hunt ..... ah - I see Gary beat me to that one!
And I assume the last one is Daytona?
Posted 21 September 2002 - 23:06
The pit shot is the 1957 Syracuse Grand Prix
The two Loti and a cooper shot is the 1961 Rand Grand Prix.
Posted 21 September 2002 - 23:44
And the first photo looks like 'Evil Sprite'- how Healey Sprite would look in the hands of Darth Wader...
Posted 22 September 2002 - 00:37
If the 250F's are from '57, why do they look so 56'ish?
the little odd car looks french........Matra....or was there something called Mathis??
is'nt it a Simca Gordini in one of the pictures??
Posted 22 September 2002 - 06:47
Posted 22 September 2002 - 06:51
From nearest camera:
6 Godia 250F
2 Piotti 250F
26 Halford 250F
28 Whitehouse Cooper T41
10 Wicken Cooper T43
8 works Connaught (Bueb)
30 works Connaught (Fairman)
12 Rob Walker Cooper T41 (Brabham)
14 Rob Walker Connaught (Peter Walker)
I'll look at the other photos later
Posted 22 September 2002 - 07:06
About Reims photo- what is that car behind Jimmy (I assume next to him is Gurney in Brabham perhance?) ?
No, not Dan Gurney. I think the other leading car is Jacky Ickx in Ken Tyrrell's Matra.
Behind is the Protos, as already identified, with, I think, Jackie Oliver alongside and Jo Schlesser in the works Matra behind.
The date was 25th June 1967 and Jochen Rindt won the race.
Posted 22 September 2002 - 07:09
Posted 22 September 2002 - 07:15
The second one down looks like the last cars to leave at the start of the 1961 Leinster Trophy race at Dunboyne - Naylor's JBW-Maserati on the left, probably Gerry Ashmore's F1 Lotus 18 on the right. Possibly Collomb's F1 Cooper next to the JBW, but I can't identify the Lotus 20
The Gordini was a well-known car in Irish racing from 1954 into the 1960s, and in 1961 (if that's when this picture was taken) was raced by Capt J A Burke
I agree on Australia for the Allard (if only because you can read 'Melbourne' on it) - Tom Hawkes? Reg Hunt? A N Other? I wanted the venue to be Bathurst, but that circuit has no right-hand corners on the flat
If we are looking at the 1961 Rand GP it's not Moss. Car 25 was supposedly Trevor Blokdyk's FJ Cooper, but it looks like a bigger model to me. Definitely Syd van der Vyver's Lotus-Alfa 18 behind, but I don't know which FJ Lotus 18 they're lapping.
Posted 22 September 2002 - 07:16
Posted 22 September 2002 - 08:41
ever invented, he must have had a bloody big head.
Posted 22 September 2002 - 08:45
Originally posted by eldougo
Car no 48 it looks like the driver has the first fullface helmut
ever invented, he must have had a bloody big head.
I assume you're not referring to Cristabel Carlisle
Posted 22 September 2002 - 11:01
Posted 22 September 2002 - 14:21
Originally posted by pedro
Picture from Sebring '63, sharing the MGB with Denise McCluggage.
Posted 22 September 2002 - 16:09
[B]That pitfront line-up is indeed the 1957 Syracuse GP - in April, Vincenzo, which is why the 250Fs have 1956-style bodywork. That and the fact that they are private entries
David, thanks. I gather I should have been able to count that out my self, but ehmmm well....can't spend all my time thinking, can I?....
Posted 22 September 2002 - 16:39
scariest accident I ever recall seeing with Jody sitting in the middle of the track waving his arms madly. Can you imagine what was going through his mind?
Posted 22 September 2002 - 16:56
Dunboyne is absolutely correct for the first three pix, the Maseratis etc are indeed before the pits at Syracuse, and the burned out wreck is indeed a Connaught - Connaught, fire, Syracuse??? Think about it....??? Sebring is correct of course and the lady who was such a good driver is indeed the music teacher, Ms Carlisle. The F2 pack is indeed at Reims '67, and while the Cooper and Lotus 18s are on South African soil it's not Kyalami....
Is anyone going to have a stab at the 241mph link and the rather Flash Gordon-looking Coupe in the peaceful workshop.....????
Posted 22 September 2002 - 17:56
I'm going to need more of a clue if I'm going to contribute anything on that 241moh tough.
Posted 22 September 2002 - 18:09
Posted 22 September 2002 - 18:34
Doug, you have flummmoxed me with the 241-mph link. I thought it might have referred to an LSR car engineered by one of the creators but no LSR car ever set a mean speed of 241 mph!
Posted 22 September 2002 - 19:11
Posted 22 September 2002 - 19:25
Posted 23 September 2002 - 07:29
Must write something one day about sports and road cars with centre steering from Rumplers to Ferrari /Pininfarina prototypes.....
Posted 23 September 2002 - 14:41
The car is the Allard-Cadillac he raced for a few years, running here as a racing car.
Almost certainly, it is Gnoo Blas circuit at Orange, January 1955, although I can't recognise the exact place the photo was taken. He was forced by CAMS (Confederation of Australian Motor Sport) to cover the advertising sign (which I think said "Henderson Springs") at this meeting.
The odd thing is that Jack was entered in the programme for that meeting as number 8. There is another photo, used on the cover of the October 1955 Gnoo Blas meeting (second of only two meetings there that year), showing Murray hard on the heels of Jack Brabham in the RedeX Special (Cooper-Bristol), who is well crossed-up after charging past the Allard into a corner. Brabham's car has number 5 - as it did at the circuit in January - and Murray's car carries number 56, as in this photo.
Posted 23 September 2002 - 15:50
# 1 Looks like something we would have made in our garage in the late-50's...
# 2 I recognized a Cooper, hmmm another Cooper, a Lotus 20 or a Lola, a Lotus 18..... which with the English on the stores in the background makes it somewhere Down Under or Ireland...
# 3 Looks like a Gordini at....
# 4 The lineup at Siracusa I recognized immmediately, especially the Godia car in the foreground....
# 5 .....which narrowed down the demise of the car with the pre-selector gearbox to probably a Connaught....
# 6 An Allard somewhere in the English-speaking world, the tape hiding something which was probably advertising...
# 7 1973, British GP, Silverstone and Baby Bear Scheckter is presented by several teams with copies of "How to Win Friends and Influence People," Andrea de Adamich in the foreground and the March of Mike Beuttler threading thru the mess, with a glimpse of the Brooke Bond Oxo Surtees in the background....
# 8 I had not an idea as to what this was....
# 9 Hmmm, Cooper, Lotus, Lotus, perhaps South Africa....
# 10 Reims, F2, and the Protos behind the two Lotus 48's and Jochen Rindt tucked in behind Jim Clark, so 1967 -- the Protos was really something different....
# 11 Hmmm... Recognized her, but simply couldn't think of her name, had to look...
# 12 Message from the crew to James Hunt...
# 13 Sebring 1963, four Sting Rays followed by two of the Chaparrals and then a bunch of Cobras -- the cars being lined up by displacement in those days.... give me a bit and I will match up most of the drivers....
To those who got them, more power to you and a tip of the hat....
Posted 23 September 2002 - 19:15
I think the South African pic. is taken at East London in the '61 SA GP, that would be the only place at that time to attract such a large crowd.
Don't know who the Cooper driver is, presumably though from the rear end of the grid, which (if I'm correct about the event) had a number of Coopers; J Guthrie (Cooper Alfa), W Dunlop (Cooper Alfa), Clive Trundell (Cooper Climax), and D Wright (Cooper Alfa)
Posted 23 September 2002 - 19:48
Posted 23 September 2002 - 23:50
To Karl: wasn't there 3 versions of the Wimille coupe, or am I thinking of another obscure French marque that looks very similar...maybe I'm thinking of a rebodied T57 Bugatti...but I can't find a photo of it...
Posted 24 September 2002 - 03:00
Obviously, number 7 is the big mess at the '73 British GP at Silverstone triggered by Jody Scheckter. Andrea de Adamich in the Ceramica Pagnossin backed Surtees plainly visible, at least the rear wing of the other Surtees is visible. I remember watching "highlighted" coverage of the race (a week later, tape delayed) on ABC's "Wide World of Sports". One of the rare glimpses of F1 on U.S. TV in those days. Truncated, highlighted coverage of Monaco each year was about all that could be counted on pre-1975. And the races on "Wide World of Sports" (be they NASCAR, USAC Champ or F1) were routinely cut away from for coverage of other sports, like the World Wrist-Wrestling Championships and so on.
Number 13, Sebring 12 Hours...the traditional LeMans style start.
Hmmm, let's see...drivers ID. There's Steve, Roger, Phil, Dave, Bill, Ed, another Bill, John, Ray, Tom, Dick, Harry...and so on. I'm not really sure of the 35th fellow
As always, great pictures Doug. Thanks for posting them.
Posted 24 September 2002 - 05:08
the 241mph do not refer to Le Mans, but to Ehra-Lessien (the VW test facility in Lower Saxony), as Doug said:
Aah don't bother about it - merely cross-reference to V. fast production car which also uses centre-steering...
i.e McLaren F1, driven by Andy Wallace on 31 March 1998, more you can find here:
We will see how long this record will stand: the new Bugatti EB16 Veyron is announced with 1001hp and a top speed of 405kph (about 250mph).
Posted 24 September 2002 - 07:35
(This is just to prove that I did look at some of the other pics besides Cristabel Carlisle.)
Posted 26 September 2002 - 03:05
It seems that this is the only one to stump you all.
Should I tell 'em Doug?
This is in fact a previously unpublished shot of the Prototype DN 001
Built from the remains of a 1959 Morris Minor convertible, some Bristol Bolingbroke fueselage panels half-inched from Reigate RAF storage depot, and entered in the 1960 Round Britain RAC Rally, with sponsorship from "Blue Peter", driven by John Noakes and navigated by Valerie Singleton.
It was Mr. Nye's first and only venture in race car design, and as such is a collector's item. It has remained in storage for the last 40 years and is ready to race in Formula Libre, and Classic Clubman's events. Sensible offers invited. No time-wasters please
Posted 26 September 2002 - 10:57
Well, almost....maybe...or perhaps not...
And there's still a way to go on the South African shot...
Posted 26 September 2002 - 12:25
#1 is cleary a nefarious attempt at blackmailing Mr. Donald Healey
Either that or the Shining Time Station Healey.
Was it constructed of boiler plate?
Surely Desmond Titterington didn't drive it, did he?