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#1 tyrrellp34

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 07:11

Is there one who can tell me which guys were driving the Cooper F2 car in 1959 ??

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#2 Rob29

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 07:47

This will be hard work-perhaps you can clarify what you need to know. Just opened my 'Sheldon' at the first F2 race of '59-Goodwood-Lavant Cup. Of 23 entries,20 are Coopers,the other 3 Lotuses! The works entries were for Jack Brabham & Jean Lucienbonnet.

#3 Barry Boor

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 07:49

Jack Brabham
Jean Lucienbonnet
Bruce McLaren
Mike Taylor
Masten Gregory

This is all the drivers who drove for the factory team. Brabham drove by far the most races; while Lucienbonnet, Taylor and Gregory drove only one each.

Of course there were dozens of other Coopers around at that time.

Definitely the best internet source of info on F2 is:
http://user.tninet.s...1w/F2_Index.htm

#4 David McKinney

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 08:46

The factory didn't run an F2 team in 1959. Brabham ran a car privately, and fellow F1 team-members Gregory and McLaren raced for the Alan Brown/Ken Tyrrell partnership. Can anyone prove me wrong from a source other than Sheldon?

#5 tyrrellp34

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 08:57

Thank you all!

I was asking you that, because when I went to the Nürburgring last Monday to drive on the Nordschleife, my wife asked me to buy something for her which is very special for the Eifel. So, in fact they have no sausages or cookies I bought a F2 Cooper car in scale 1/43 for her which is now present in her office.
Yesterday she wanted to know who was driving that car... That’s it

Thank you again! :wave:

#6 Barry Boor

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 09:17

Stefan, I presume the car is in works Cooper colours but what number is on the car and what colour is the driver's helmet? I wonder if you have, in fact, got a 1959 F1 car, rather than an F2.

Also, which company manufactured the model?

#7 tyrrellp34

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 10:28

Difficult to say.. We will know the number tomorrow morning. The whole driver is red as the piece of plastic where it was made from. So, Barry the modell was not very expansive but really looks like a F2 car.

I will write you again, if I know the number and the company which manufactured that modell.

By the way.. the old 14 miles long Nürburgring is extremly demanding... How did they manage to go 15 laps in 1967??? Incredible!

#8 David McKinney

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 10:31

If it's a 1959 car you'd be hard-pressed to tell just by looking whether it was F1 or F2

#9 tyrrellp34

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 10:33

Yes, I know. But I have compared some pictures and the shape really looks like a F2. Mostely the part behind the drivers head.

#10 Rob29

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 11:40

There was no F2 or F1 race at Nurburgring in 1959. The GP was held at AVUS. A T43 was the 1957 model.In both 1957 & 1958 both F1 & F2 cars (including Coopers) ran in the German GP on the Nordscliefe,no doubt to try to fill the circuit for the crowd. If your model is in 1959 works colours,then its original never ran at the 'ring.

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 12:58

Originally posted by David McKinney
If it's a 1959 car you'd be hard-pressed to tell just by looking whether it was F1 or F2


Didn't the F1 cars all have "F2-xx-59" chassis plates anyway back then?

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#12 David McKinney

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 14:47

tyrrell:
the shape behind the driver's head (and everywhere else) was identical in the F2 and F1 cars

rob 29:
Brabham's car in the 1960 German GP would have been in works colours

Pete:
Yes

#13 tyrrellp34

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 18:03

Thank you very much, David McKinney

#14 Roger Clark

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Posted 22 September 2002 - 21:35

I believe that it is true to say that no Cooper T45 or T51 ever ran in what we would regard as traditional works colours on the Nordschliefe.


Originally posted by David McKinney
The factory didn't run an F2 team in 1959. Brabham ran a car privately, and fellow F1 team-members Gregory and McLaren raced for the Alan Brown/Ken Tyrrell partnership. Can anyone prove me wrong from a source other than Sheldon?


I'm quite prepared to believe that these were private entries, but is it possible that they were entered in the name of the Cooper Car Co., presumably for starting money reasons?

#15 tyrrellp34

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 06:32

The car has number 5 and is green ;)

Manufacture is Solido / France :wave:

Reedition ==> Cooper 1500 CM 3 :clap:

#16 Barry Boor

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 06:40

O.K, now we know. My Dad bought me one of those on our first visit to the south of France in 1962!

That car is indeed supposed to be an F2 car but I think it is actually modelled on the 1957 Cooper. At that time, Solido were not producing 'race specific' cars; i.e. their models were never made to represent a certain car at a certain track on a certain day, as most are these days.

My feelings about that car are that it was basically modelled on the one that Jack Brabham tried to force into the Casino at Monaco in practice in 1957, although I am aware that that car was not a 1500cc car but had a larger engine. However, it was basically an F2 car because that was all Cooper had made up to then.

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 07:25

Thank you very much, Barry!

I would have been too in 1962 in France....