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#751 D-Type

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 21:18

The administrative area that a place is in is not necessarily the same as the postal area. For example I used to live in a house that was between Bexley and Dartford. Administratively we were in Dartford and paid our rates (local taxes) to them, but our postal address was 'Bexley'. I would expect that Alan and V2 have kept the same postal address through all the changes.
Richard, I think you'll have to decide which you are going to use.


Edited by D-Type, 07 January 2014 - 15:08.


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#752 Barry Boor

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 21:46

I can identify with all this confusion. I live in Qawra but most people call it Bugibba when in fact, the whole area is St. Pauls Bay, as is the post code.

#753 Giraffe

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 07:33

I can identify with all this confusion.


Me too Barry, as at one time I lived in Batley, my postal address was Dewsbury and my postcode was Wakefield! :drunk:

#754 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:38

Blundell was born in Barnet in 1966, but Barnet was already in Greater London from 1965, so, Hertfordshire should be wrong - etc. etc

With the counties in Great Britain, this discussion, whilst valid, crops up every so often and as the subsequent posts have alluded, it's a minefield and there are also inconsistences. The thing is, not one British person can say that the above is wrong per se, or Harrow, or Darlington etc, so I will leave the Counties as they are, because someone else will come along in 3 months and make equally valid responses back.

The place of death of Kay should be Marlborough, Connecticut, not Marlboro Indeed so, will be changed as will Bourdais, Schlessler

Lippi - the real complete name of the deathplace of Lippi is Lavinio - Lido di Enea (usually abbreviated only with Lavinio)
http://rete.comuni-i..._-_Lido_di_Enea

Fine, that's no problem, that will be changed as will Adolff, Migault, Simon

Gethin - the correct name of deathplace is Old Henley, Haslemere, not Haselmere

Fat fingers, nothing more, spelling error, sorry

There is an inversion in the nationality of Maldonado, YV not VY Whoops

You have changed the abbreviation of uruguay drivers from U to ROU (like the new international abbreviations) and now you should change also the abbreviation of the finnish drivers - from SF to FIN (Häkkinen, Järvilehto, Kinnunen, Kovalainen, Kozarowitzky, Räikkönen, Rosberg Keijo e Salo) because the new abbreviation is in use from 1993.

I will need Allen's help here as the database only picks up certain charachers with the nations. This is why the old U was changed to ROU as it didn't pick up as a nation. SF for now comes up as Finland on the database. If I change it to FIN, it'll come up as FranceIndonesia (or something similiar), so we'll need to rewrite the script, but I agree with the sentiment

About Naylor I have read that his death was caused by an accident, road or aircraft or other?
Yes, it was a boat accident,that likely contributed to his early passing, but not actually caused it

and about Rounds I have found an information about his death but also him only "accident", road or aircraft?
Definitely not. Died of cancer. The "aircraft" accident was alleged to have killed him in 1962, long before he actually died, so forget that particular line of information, it diverted me for a long time from the real information


Sorry for the late reply in all this, but as those of you who are my friends on Facebook may be aware, there are more important things going on in my life this week. But tonight I'm home and I'll respond in kind.

But thank you very much because I am nitpicky, albiet nitpicky in my favour :lol: and I appreciate the little pointers and advice like this. Once life settles down again, I'll update the website.

#755 Graham Gauld

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:46

Good morning, after years finally I came back to this website, to update the informations of my documents about Formula 1 drivers... :)

I have read every posts of this years and checked every biography in the website, I was only in 2008!!!

In the meanwhile I have found some little mistakes or little corrections to suggest. I'm sorry if my words seem too much raw... it's because I don't speak english very well but I'm slowly improving :p

Blundell was born in Barnet in 1966, but Barnet was already in Greater London from 1965, so, Hertfordshire should be wrong

The place of death of Kay should be Marlborough, Connecticut, not Marlboro
http://www.marlboroughct.net/

Bourdais - in the biography the correct info should be "winning the title four years in a row between 2004 and 2007"

Schlesser Jo - there is a little mistake in the biography (Madagascar)

Pease - I have no evidence of Darlington from Yorkshire to Durham, but only Darlington in Durham. If I'm wrong there is also the birthplace of Robinson Tony (in team bosses section) to change, infact he was born in 1929 in Darlington, Durham.

Lippi - the real complete name of the deathplace of Lippi is Lavinio - Lido di Enea (usually abbreviated only with Lavinio)
http://rete.comuni-i..._-_Lido_di_Enea

Adolff - the deathplace is only Kreuth (without am-Tegernsee, the lake Tegernsee is close to the town and in the logo of the town there is Kreuth am Tegernsee but the name is only Kreuth. There is also a town named "Tegernsee")
http://www.postleitz...miesbach/kreuth
http://www.kreuth.de...akt-kreuth.html

Migault - the correct name of deathplace is Parigne-l'Eveque with "-" as usually for the french names of the cities.

Burgess - the deathplace of Harrow is in Greater London, not Middlesex, from 1965

Simon - the complete name of the deathplace is Evian-les-Bains (as confirmed by the road signs, you can see them in Google Street View :) )

Gethin - the correct name of deathplace is Old Henley, Haslemere, not Haselmere
http://www.haslemere.com/

There is an inversion in the nationality of Maldonado, YV not VY

There is a little mistake in the deathplace of Nuckey - Philippines with only one "L"

You have changed the abbreviation of uruguay drivers from U to ROU (like the new international abbreviations) and now you should change also the abbreviation of the finnish drivers - from SF to FIN (Häkkinen, Järvilehto, Kinnunen, Kovalainen, Kozarowitzky, Räikkönen, Rosberg Keijo e Salo) because the new abbreviation is in use from 1993.

I have found a different information for the death of Flaherty, emphysema but maybe he had also a cancer... I can't verify this news at all.

About Naylor I have read that his death was caused by an accident, road or aircraft or other?

and about Rounds I have found an information about his death but also him only "accident", road or aircraft?

and that's all!!!
as usually my congratulations for this big job :clap:

now is time to enjoy a new F1 championship... finally!!! :D




The accident to Brian Naylor happened when he was working on a yacht and seemingly some bottled gas had leaked and in the explosion Brian was killed.

#756 Barry Boor

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:50

Completely O.T. but since Brian Naylor has been mentioned, I've had a request from his grandson for a model of the J.B.W Maserati. He saw my slot race version and asked if he could have one.

I must get around to making it soon.

Sorry - back to W.A.T.N.

#757 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 23:00

Latest update;

2013 Updates
Allmendinger, Battistini, Beatriz, Bjork, Briscoe, Caroll, Camathias, Campos, D Clarke, de Oliviera, N Fry, Gabbiani, Gosselin, Gounon, Goudy, Gommendy, M Halliday, Hoshino, Krumm, Karthekiyan, Lowe, Lancieri, Leinders, Morbidelli, Menu, Nakano, O'Connell, Nurminen, Perera, Pastorelli, Piccini, Plankenhorn, Salles, Sutil, Tuero, Tung, van Hooydonk, Van der Poele, Van Hool, Wirdehim, A Wirth, R Wilson, A Wallace

WATN updates
Aloi, Enge, Gache, Lloyd, Scassellati, Verstappen, Tielemans (a world away from motor racing!), van Rooyen

Deaths
A Branca, G Martini

New
J Bianchi, Goss


Changed Information
Almondo, Briatore, Lardi-Ferrari, Steiner, Valentini - birthplace
Ascanelli, Caliri, De Riu, Langes, Liuzzi, Lancia, Willman - birthdate
Andrew Green - birthdate, but finally found birthplace

Other
Spellings/counties - etc. as per Bob Simbel's post above
Grand Prix's updated to current total

Thanks
David McKinney, Michael Ferner, Roberto (Bob Simbel), Adriano Barnelli


#758 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:26

Latest updates;

2013 Updates
Jo Andretti, J Allison, Bernoldi, Bartels, Belloc, Chiesa, Conway, Caffi, Dracone, Dominguez, Hancock, Heger, Ide, M Jourdain Jr, Legge, Buddy Lazier, Mann, Meira, Merzario, Melo, A Muller, Pantano, Pizzonia, Rangoni, Rosset, Sourd, Wiggins

Other WATN
Antinucci, Apicella, Albers, Baumgartner, Boldrini, Furlan, J Howard, Hug, Bob Lazier, Mikola, Reese, Simmons, Tichy, Tinseau, Witmeur

Died
Malone

New
Chester and C Daly

New Information
Arpainen, J Baldwin, Habegger, Minder, Serpaggi, Veitch - full birthplace
Abney, G Clark, S Hoffman, Kreiger, B Miller - FULL details (at last for some of these)
C Berton, Hug - full birthdates
F Niccolini - birthyear

Changed Information
McCarver - birth details and a bit more information about his name
Newman - dates deleted, but still born c. 1922

Other
Chase Austin never made it to Indy, so he's out
Indy 500 totals updated and of course, GP totals updated

Thanks

Rewind, Richard Salomon, Michael Ferner

Edited by Richard Jenkins, 26 May 2013 - 21:27.


#759 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 22:05

Latest updates;

2013/14 Updates:
Buemi, Cunningham, Coughlan, J Gene, Hildebrand, M Lauda, K Nakajima, Servia, Schiattarella, Symonds, Sarrazin, Wurz, Webber

Other WATN Updates:,
Arundell, Alliot, Cabral, de Ferran, Goth, Insinger, A Ribeiro

Died:
JF Gonzalez, Gaze, Julien, J Leffler, Reese

New:
J Davison, Filippi, S Wilson

New Information;
Full birthdate - Chester, Cullen, Karnatz, Pavesi, Serblin
Place of death - A Duray


Changed Information;
A Miller (Krulac) - birthplace change,
Shepherd (birth and death places),
Manfred Winklehock - birth year

Other;
GP Totals updated

Thanks
Jerry Moses, Bob Jamaica, Alan Drysdale, Allen Brown, Peter Wells, Richard Reese, Kristin Hunt, Chuck Harris, Gergely Gabris and Peter Higham (and his excellent new tome World Encloypaedia of Racing Drivers)



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#760 ReWind

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 17:45

Full birthdate - Chester

Are you sure about 1969?
EngineeringF1 says Nick Chester was born in 1968.

#761 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 19:09

Are you sure about 1969?
EngineeringF1 says Nick Chester was born in 1968.

They're wrong. I've got a copy of the birth certificate, deffo 1969.

#762 ReWind

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 19:47

Okay. Thanks.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 18:42

@Richard: Sometime Autodelta boss Giovanni „Gianni“ Tonti was born on 01 July 1942 in Cesara, Novara.

 

(Source) With thanks to Tuboscocca.



#764 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 23:04

Reinhard - thanks for that.

Now what I don't understand is that your post - or this thread - didn't even appear in the updated posts. I'm not going to go into a new software rant, but I do find it strange I only noticed it today when going into the thread to update the information.

 

The latest update round-up is as so;

 

2013/14 Updates:

J Bianchi,Brawn, Dalziel, Hinchcliffe, Lowndes, Montoya, Pagenaud, Pilbeam, Preston, Ricciardo, A Suzuki, T Scheckter

 

WATN Updates:

Jeff Andretti, Alcorn, Bonner, Bertaggia, Chassange, L Chevrolet, Caistang, Clerico, Dingley, Da Matta, De Villota and Edwards (sadly), Flaherty, R Ford, Fry N, Feast, Galica, Gelnaw, L Gerard, Glockler, Gidley, R Hubbard, Hytten, Hirt, Hartz, Hearne, Meek, Perkins L, B Roe, Stroud, Van Rossem, J Ward, J Wood

 

Died:

Gerini,  H Taylor

 

New:

Luhr

 

 

New Information:

Cucinotta, Webb - FULL details and WATN

WH Frey - deathyear

Monahan (note spelling) - full death details

Nakamura and Orsi - full birth details

L Niccolini - birth year

 

Changed Information:

Apicella, Forti, Gimax, Pesenti-Rossi, Zanardi - birthplace

Hytten - birthyear

Sospiri - birthdate

Slater - birth details (totally changed)

 

Other:

Made a note that De Riu is actually Deriu, but name remains same for now.

 

Thanks:

Peter Higham, Tuboscocca, Rewind, Richard Hubbard, Mario Hytten, Alessandro Silva, Adriano Brunelli



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Posted 08 December 2013 - 18:57

Tiago Monteiro born in Massarelos, not Musserelas.

 

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Massarelos



#766 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 21:45

Thanks Alnica



#767 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 20:57

Latest updates, summarised for a New Year;

 

2014 WATN

Allmendinger, Angelelli, Beatriz, T Bell, Briscoe, Bourdais, Bruni, Beretta, Collard, Davison, De Villota, Diaz, Derichebourg, Euser, C Fittipaldi, Garcia, Gidley, Ganassi, Grosjean, Glock, Goosens, Giroix, Gutierrez, Henzler, Hulkenburg, Hynes, Junqueira, J Kane, Jonsson, Johansson, PJ Jones, Kubica, Kinser, Lazzaro, Legge, M Lauda, JM Lopez, Lotterer, Lamy, Legge, Luhr, McDowell, Munoz, J Magnussen, Massa, Matos, Patrick, Pastorelli, Perez, Pruett, J Robinson, RInland, Shank, S Sharp, Sutil, Sato, Salo, S Schmidt, W Taylor, Valiante, Villeneuve Sr, Wilds, Yeley

 

General WATN

Franchitti, Krakau, Davy Jones, Maslov, Matsushita, McNish, Marchese, C Miller, Mieres, Nellemann, Poore, B Rose, Rickenbacher, M Rose, B Robisnon, Ruttmann, Rol, M Schumacher, Serblin, H Sharp, Shawe-Taylor

 

New

Aleshin, Kvyat, K Magnussen

 

Died

P Favre, Grief (with full dates now), Gregory, Granatelli, Hart

 

New Information

M Costa, Gillis, Spreafico - birthplace

Graemiger, H Werner - FULL birthdate

Peltier - FULL deathdate

Rocchi - FULL deathdate

Silva - changed from da Silva - added birthplace & WATN

 

Changed Information

Monteiro - corrected birthplace spelling

Maldonado - birthdate

Rol - deathplace

 

 

Thanks

Mike Wilds, Jac Nellemann, Franco Spreafico,

Nexfast (Jose) - for Mario Silva,

Csaba Varga - Maldonado

Alnica - Monteiro

William Eisele and Janice Plazola - B Rose

Peter Higham - World Encyclopedia of Racing Drivers - Krakau, Marchese, C Miller, Mieres, Poore, Prinoth, Rickenbacker, Rol, B Robinson, M Rose, Ruttmann



#768 ReWind

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 19:26

Did Phil Caliva change his name into Wolf?

Website radaris.com

http://radaris.com/~...-Wolf/174463344

has him as Philip Wolf! (At least I think it is the same person.)



#769 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 20:56

Did Phil Caliva change his name into Wolf?

Website radaris.com

http://radaris.com/~...-Wolf/174463344

has him as Philip Wolf! (At least I think it is the same person.)

 

I think it's Radaris putting two and two together and making five. I do know that Caliva is brother-in-law to former F1 team boss Walter Wolf (mentioned in that Radaris) article, but I'd be suprised if Phil would then change HIS name to his brother-in-law's. 


Edited by Richard Jenkins, 14 February 2014 - 20:56.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 22:44

2014 WATN

Andre, Aguas, Annala, Albers, Ayari, Bremer, Brawn, Bouchut, Berton G, Baguette and Boullier, Caffi, Coughlan, Dennis, di Resta, di Grassi, de Silvestro, de Oliviera, Dominguez, Earle, Enge, Figge, Formato, Furlan, Fontana, Gidley, Giammmaria, Giovanardi, Gommendy, Davey Hamilton, M Halliday, D Halliday, Helary, Hornish, Iida, Janis, Krumm, Klien, Kobayashi, Kox, Kolles, Kasemets, Karthekiyan, Lammers, Lohr, Lotterer, Leinders, Luyendyk jr, Liuzzi, Mollekens, Morand, S Mayer, Montagny, Menu, Morbidelli, J Muller, Minassian, Mazzacane, Matsuura, S Nakajima, Nakano, Papis, Penske, Plowman, Perera, Petrov, Pastorelli, Piquet Jr, Ranger, G Smith, Schrader, Servia, Tagliani, van der Garde, Villeneuve, Wirdheim, Zonta, Zanardi

 

General WATN

Belmondo, Comas, Divila, Fernandez, Gaillard, Haas, La Caze, Lemarie, Lisles, Laffite, Lagorce, Menninga, Robarts, Stapp, Siegrist, Toccacelo, Turizio, , M Williams, J Winkelhock

 

New

Ericsson, Gerstenberg, Gandelin, Lopez

 

Removed

Renzetti - not a car designer in any sense, he was an engine specialist.

 

Died

Beale, Crook, Mingotti, (d. 1991, however), Weiss

 

New Information

Jack Buxton - full birth details, WATN and tidied up deathplace.

Harold Bailey - FULL birth and death details

Biechteler - full name and birthplace

Farnetti, H Meier, F Niccolini, Picchi - full birth details

Kiser - deathplace

J Rossi - birthyear

Studer - birthyear and birthplace

Walz - birthplace

 

Changed Information

Cox - exact birthplace

N Houser - birthplace

 

Thanks

Peter Higham - World Encyclopedia of Racing Drivers - Stapp, Turizio, J Winkelhock

Motorsport Memorial - Mingotti

JIm Thurman - Buxton

Mark Williams - himself

Donald Davidson - Harold Bailey

John Siscoe - Norm Houser

Michael Ferner - Siegrist & Studer

Rewind - Rossi

Chris Townsend - Biechteler and Walz.

Roger Clark and Dizionario del Piloti - Picchi

 

 

 

The last mention also, combined with Roger, goes to the late David McKinney - one of WATN's biggest helpers and encouragers over the years. His support and useful nuggets of information will be sorely missed.
 



#771 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 21:45

A round of up of the most recent updates:

 

2014 Updates

 

Alguersuari, B Bell, Bernoldi, Biagi, Belli, Bjork, Bleekemolen, Bachelart, Carpentier, Carroll, Couto, Cochet, D'Ambrosio, Daly, De Castro, Del Monte, Domenciali, Deletraz, Eeckelaert, Ekblom, Filippi, Gihinzani, Goudy, Gounon, Hildebrand, Ide, Jourdain Jr, Lavaggi, B Lazier, Matsuda, Marshall, Mann, Melo, Melgrati, Martinez, Monti, Necchi, Nissany, Nardozi, Noda, Nurminen, Oestreich, Pantano,Piccini, Quester, Rangoni, Schiattarella, Sourd, Speed, Servia, Steiner, M Smith, Troberg, Tung, Tyler, van der Poele, van Hool, T Wright, Wyss, Yoong

 

WATN updates

 

Alesi, Blundell, Ballisat, Bonnano, de Andrade, Dudot, Eichmann, Gentry, Heard, Hancock, Herbert, A May, Meneghello, C Montanari, Pirro, Puzey, Pescarolo, Pratt, Regester, Rocca, C Robinson, Rostan, A Russell, Rydell, Salles, Salazar, Scapini, T Scheckter, I Stewart, Stadler, Threshie, Trice, Tamburini, Tedeschi, Trombetti, Tassin, Tracy, Warren, Wallace, R Wilson, Zampedri, Zwolsman

 

New:

K Busch, Hawksworth, Huertas, Karam, Mattiacci

 

Died:

Anspann, G Bettenhausen, J Brabham, Merello (with birth year details), Pease, Settember.

 

New Information:

Full Birthdate: Bakst, C Green (plus WATN), B Hunt (and deathplace), Matsubara, Potocki, Pedrazza, J Richardson, P Robinson

Full Deathdate: Boling

Birthplace: De Benedetti

Birthyear: North

Day of Death: Mantova

 

Changed Information:

Birthplace: I Burgess, Krammer, M Busch (and country)

Deathdate: Duane Carter

Birthdate: Don Thomas

Also changed Orlo Trice's first name

 

Other

GP totals added, Indy 500 totals added

For the first time in years, there's two new interviews on the site; Ruggero Melgrati and Giovanni Bonanno - Melgrati - http://www.oldracing...ggero-Melgrati/ and Bonanno's - http://www.oldracing...ovanni-Bonanno/

Bonnano's in particular is a tale of what might have been..

 

Thanks

Rewind - Carter, Anspann

Richard Armstrong - Trice

Ruggero Melgrati - himself

Giovanni Bonanno - himself

Vinicio Salmi - himself

Bartl Stadler - himself

Jose (Nexfast) - Merello

Gergely Gabris - Ian Stewart

Kurt Murray-Cameron - Pratt



#772 ReWind

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 07:32

Re Miguel Ángel de Castro Santos: On his own website he confirms that he was born in April (not June).

 

I am pretty confident that he is not identical to the occasional rally driver who according to ewrc-results.com died in June 2013.



#773 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 21:47

Thanks Reinhard, I'll update this tonight.



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 21:38

Latest updates;

 

2014 Updates

Abiteboul, Albers, Conway, Filippi, Fernandes, Kolles, Kobayashi, Lotterer, M Lauda, Melgrati, T Stewart, Trulli, Weaver, N Wirth

 

 

WATN updates

Baumann, Burany, Capelli, Donnelly, Edwards G, Friesacher M, Flaherty, Ginther, Marozzo, Nakamura, R Schumacher, Varano, Verstappen, J Villeneuve Sr, Zimmerman

 

Died:

Buess, Dubler, England, Lancia, Stephens

 

New Information:

L Allen, McCarver - FULL details

Beeder - full birth details

Porporato - birth date

 

Changed Information:

Butcher, De Castro, Maldonado - change of birthdate

Burgess - birthplace and WATN

Nemesh - corrected birthplace spelling

SweigArt - new dates and spelling

 

Other

GP totals added

 

Thanks

Richard Murray - Zimmerman

Ales Norsky (www.gpfactsandnumbers.com) - Stephens

Rewind (Reinhard) - de Castro

Rick Kelly - Butcher

Cleo Davidson - Ginther, Nakamura

Tony Gallagher - Edwards

Peter Windsor - Lowe

Bob Baumann - Baumann

Michael Ferner - Sweigart

Gustav Berntsson - Burgess

Dave Seaton - Flaherty

Beat Schenker - Dubler

Csaba Varga - Nemesh

 



#775 ReWind

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 18:29


Changed Information:

Sweigart - new dates and spelling

 

 

Frank N. Sweigart from Apache Junction, Arizona, died on 18 December 1983 in Mesa, Arizona. (Source)

His funeral was in January 1984 in his native Kokomo, Indiana.



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 19:45

One to go in the WC team bosses section - Martino Finotto died last week, Autosport has an obituary.  Born 1933, so he was comparatively ancient when he won his first world title, in Group C2. 



#777 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 21:53

Thanks Reinhard!

 

Ens, I was aware of Finotto's passing, I've remarked to it in the "Gone but not Forgotten" thread.

 

The reason he's not in, is the same as Rob Walker and so on. It's... murky. It's too long to explain here and now, but I will one day.



#778 LittleChris

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 22:30

Didn't realise Jurg Dubler had died recently :(



#779 ReWind

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 18:05

Carlo Giorgio has passed away.

 

ACI CSAI si unisce al dolore per la scomparsa a 66 anni di Carlo Giorgio. Giorgio vinse un titolo italiano nella F.3 nel 1973, su una Ensign-Ford della Jolly Club e su una March-Ford della scuderia Trivellato. In F.2 ottenne successi su ogni tracciato europeo. Il sodalizio con Roberto Angiolini della Jolly Club permise l'approdo in F.1 con una A.G.S., grazie anche allo sponsor Charro, che nel 1986 portò al debutto nella massima formula Ivan Capelli.

 

The news is dated 28.09.2014 but I don't know yet whether that is actually the day he died.



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#780 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 19:58

Reading from his Facebook page, the longest tribute says "today we lost" at around 10am, so I would think it was early morning 28.9.14. Although the first report of his death around 9.27am says "this morning the news came through".

 

Giorgio was a popular well known man so I doubt it will be long before the relevant details come through.



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 23:22

Sadly there were a lot of motorsport-related people dying on the last few months - Waldegaard, Giorgio, Lavazza, Dubler, Cerutti.... some of them ones which whom I had spoken on FB



#782 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:48

Latest updates to tie in with the end of the 2014 season:

 

2014/2015 updates

Albers, Allmendinger, Buemi, Bottas, D Brabham, J Bianchi (sadly), Booth, Carpenter, Dixon, Ericsson, S Fisher, Grosjean, Hornish, Hunter-Reay, Hulkenberg, Julian, Kimball C, Legge, Lowndes, Montoya, Mattiacci, Massa, Montagny, C Murphy, Michel, McQulliam, Y Muller, Newgarden, Power, Perez, B & G Rahal, Rydell, Sato, Servia, Sarrazin, Shank, Tung, Wiggins

 

General WATN updates

Andskar, Berger, Borgudd, de Montezemolo, Hakkinen, Kristensen, Lanier, Mansell, MacPherson, Menninga, McInerney, Pike, Rollinson, Tramison, Vinella, S Watson, P & G Whitehead, B Ward

 

New

Nasr, F O'Connell, Ravetto, Stevens

 

Died

Genevieve Bugatti, de Cesaris, Dockery, Giorgio, Pavesi, Terry (changed birthdetails), J Williams

 

New Information

Bollinger - birthplace

Giba - deathday (at last)

Gerstenberg - date of birth, correct year of death and an extensive WATN

Horan - death date and place

Nordstrom and Rocca - birth year and place

Sweigart - full death details

 

Changed Information

Schmidt R and A Wilkins- CHANGED Birthdate and place and WATN Information

 

Other

John Marton - REMOVED. There was a SCCA driver from Antioch called John Marton, but he wasn't in CART. That was John Morton.

2014 F1 details updated

 

Thanks

Allen Brown - Wilkins

Reinhard (Rewind) - Sweigart, Terry

Tomas Karlsson and Rainer Nyberg - Nordstrom


Edited by Richard Jenkins, 24 November 2014 - 20:50.


#783 ReWind

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 20:07

Apparently Walter Habegger died on 13 June 2014 in Fiesch, Valais.

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I have to admit I didn't know his full name.

BTW: The correct spelling of his birth place is Oberönz (although Oberoenz would be acceptable).



#784 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 21:12

Thanks Reinhard, just updating and amending now. Bit surprised by that full-name revelation which doesn't appear anywhere other than this memorial notice and wasn't mentioned by his nephew who gave me the biographical data (so it's definitely the right man) and photo of him..



#785 ReWind

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Posted 30 November 2014 - 15:26

Shouldn’t Giuseppe Risi be included in the team bosses section of your site?

 

It seems he owned the car which Emilio de Villota drove in 1977 (McLaren M23/6). At least he was the team manager and later also played a role in the Rebaque team. Afterwards he became a Ferrari dealer in Houston, Texas, and became famous for his “Risi Competizione” team.



#786 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 30 November 2014 - 15:46

Team bosses is a murky area but it was decided a while back that people like Risi, Rob Walker, Roy Winkelmann and so on didn't come under the parameters set. But its not an exact science - hence me only just adding the likes of Todt recently

#787 ensign14

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 20:51

Taking the "now" in Where Are They Now absolutely literally, right now Timo Glock is watching the PDC World Darts Championship Final.  I find that appealingly stochastic.  I didn't know darts was even vaguely visible in Germany, although young Max Hopp was impressive in the first round.



#788 Bob Simbel

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Posted 28 February 2015 - 21:16

Good Morning!! About one time per year I come back on this forum to receive the last updates for my documents and so on....

 

Write here is always a honor for me.

 

My posts are short because of lack of time and not english mothertongue effects  ;) , so, I would like to give my contribution:

 

1) Pesenti-Rossi born in Gerosa, but nowadays (from 4th February 2014) the town of Gerosa doesn't exist anymore because is join with the town of Brembilla in the new town of Val Brembilla

http://www.comune.br...admoDriver_s_22

 

2) McDowell John should have had his fatal accident in practice (Rex Mays Classic indycar), not during the race

http://www.champcars...aces/195202.htm

http://www.motorspor...php?db=ct&n=532

 

3) Rol Franco died for a suicide, not a boating accident. According with the newspaper republished on the facebook's page from his grandson.

http://2000-2013.gus..._Franco_Rol.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/franco.rol.9

He made suicide after the discover of a brain cancer and the body was found into the sea, after some days.

 

4) About Schumacher Michael and Ralf, the town of Hürth-Hermülheim doesn't exist... Hermülheim is only district of the town Hürth. It was an indipendent town until 1930.

http://www.huerth.de...rth_history.php

 

5) Comas Erik, the complete name of his birthplace is Romans-sur-Isère, Valence

http://www.ville-rom...fr/contacts.php

 

6) Deathplace of Crook Anthony is Kingston upon Thames but London, Greater London, not Surrey (from 1965)

 

7) The same note about Blundell Mark, born in Barnet, already Greater London from 1965, instead of Hertfordshire

 

8) Hülkenberg complete birthplace is Emmerich am Rhein, Nordrhein-Westfalen

http://www.emmerich.de/

 

9) Montoya Juan-Pablo, I have already found without -  . According to some sources (but I disagree) is only Juan.

http://www.jpmontoya.com/2014/

 

10) (not completely sure) Borgudd Slim's real name is Edward not Edvard.

 

11) The International vehicle registration plates for Uruguay is now UY from 2012 (former ROU) and now they use the same code in the whole country.

There are four F1 uruguayan drivers: Cantoni Eitel, Fontes Asdbal, Gonzalez Oscar and Uria Alberto.

 

See you soon! Maybe before another year :wave:

Bob



#789 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 20:44

Good Morning!! About one time per year I come back on this forum to receive the last updates for my documents and so on....

 

Write here is always a honor for me.

 

My posts are short because of lack of time and not english mothertongue effects  ;) , so, I would like to give my contribution:

 

1) Pesenti-Rossi born in Gerosa, but nowadays (from 4th February 2014) the town of Gerosa doesn't exist anymore because is join with the town of Brembilla in the new town of Val Brembilla

http://www.comune.br...admoDriver_s_22

 

2) McDowell John should have had his fatal accident in practice (Rex Mays Classic indycar), not during the race

http://www.champcars...aces/195202.htm

http://www.motorspor...php?db=ct&n=532

 

3) Rol Franco died for a suicide, not a boating accident. According with the newspaper republished on the facebook's page from his grandson.

http://2000-2013.gus..._Franco_Rol.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/franco.rol.9

He made suicide after the discover of a brain cancer and the body was found into the sea, after some days.

 

4) About Schumacher Michael and Ralf, the town of Hürth-Hermülheim doesn't exist... Hermülheim is only district of the town Hürth. It was an indipendent town until 1930.

http://www.huerth.de...rth_history.php

 

5) Comas Erik, the complete name of his birthplace is Romans-sur-Isère, Valence

http://www.ville-rom...fr/contacts.php

 

6) Deathplace of Crook Anthony is Kingston upon Thames but London, Greater London, not Surrey (from 1965)

 

7) The same note about Blundell Mark, born in Barnet, already Greater London from 1965, instead of Hertfordshire

 

8) Hülkenberg complete birthplace is Emmerich am Rhein, Nordrhein-Westfalen

http://www.emmerich.de/

 

11) The International vehicle registration plates for Uruguay is now UY from 2012 (former ROU) and now they use the same code in the whole country.

There are four F1 uruguayan drivers: Cantoni Eitel, Fontes Asdbal, Gonzalez Oscar and Uria Alberto.

 

See you soon! Maybe before another year :wave:

Bob

 

Hi Bob,

1) That's interesting. But as you later put with other examples, I've got to go with what it was at the time. Hence 11) as well it WAS ROU when they raced, so I'll stick with it.

2), 5) & 8), you are, of course, correct, thank you.

6) and 7) - I'll change it, as again it's got to be as it was at birth - or death. Barnet I knew about - I live about 20 minutes from there and I have noticed the Hertfordshire bit has been fazed out, but I always thought Kingston was still in Surrey - you learn something every day!

3) Very interesting, I never knew that - how tragic.

 

Thanks,

I'll update them all tonight



#790 Vitesse2

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 23:36

I don't think there's a definitive answer for post-1965 London Boroughs like Kingston and Barnet. Kingston - for example - has its own KT postcode area, but parts of the borough are within the London Postal District. Same with Barnet - some parts have EN postcodes, some don't.

 

So the full postal address of anywhere within the London Borough of Kingston with a KT postcode is Kingston, Surrey KT## ###. But if it has a London code then it's simply London SW## ###. Most people would probably consider the London Borough of Sutton to be in Surrey - it's entirely within the CR (Croydon) postcode area, but parts of the London Borough of Croydon aren't.

 

Just to really confuse - I used to live in Norbury, which is historically in Surrey (their Second XI have even played cricket there!). Part of it is in the London Borough of Croydon and the other part in the London Borough of Merton, but the whole place has an SW16 postcode, which it shares with Streatham. But Streatham is part of the London Borough of Lambeth!. :drunk: The border between Croydon and Lambeth actually runs down the middle of the A23 where it bends just west of Norbury station: there used to be pubs on both sides of the road - the one in Lambeth closed at 10.30,  but the one in Croydon was open until 11.00, so there was a general exodus from one to the other at about 10.35! Looking at it on Street View, I see one is now a kebab house and they've built a Lidl on the site of the other one. :well:

 

http://en.wikipedia....n_postal_region



#791 paulsenna1

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 16:00

I live in the town of Barnet in the London Borough of Barnet but the address is always written as Barnet, Hertfordshire. The parts of Barnet with a London postcode are addressed as London.



#792 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 03 March 2015 - 06:55

I got a call from Linda Kerr, John Cordts' wife, the other day.  He hasn't had any heart problems for about five years and is in good shape.  He goes out on his motorcycle almost every day, except when there is "black ice."  He will be 80 this year.

 

Vince H.



#793 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:18

Cheers Vince, I'll amend the info tonight. Glad he's doing well



#794 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 23:16

Latest updates to Where Are They Now - http://www.oldracing...m/drivers/watn/

 

2015 Updates

Aleshin, Aguas, Bachelart, Baguette, Bremer, Belloc, K Busch, Booth, A Campos, CLauson, Collard, Chilton, Chandhok, Carroll, Couto, Domenciali, Davidson, Dumas, Earle, di Resta, de Oliveira, de Castro, Enge, Filippi, Gutierrez, M & J Gene, Gavin, Giammaria, R Gordon, Gommendy, Gomez, Henzler W, I Hoffman, Iida, Krumm, Klien, Kobayashi, Kovalainen, Jonsson, Kubica, Karthekiyan, Lamy, M Lauda, Lohr, Lotterer, Lunetta, Minassian, Morand, M Marshall, Morbidelli, Magnussen, Perera, Pizzonia, Policand, Ranger, Rugolo, R Schneider, Salo, R Schumacher, Senna B, Serra, Stevens, Tarquini, Vergne, Valiante, Vautier, J Villeneuve jr, J Watson, Wilds, Yeley

 

General WATN Updates

Amati, G Anderson, Benedini, Bolanos, Belso, Crinelli, David Cook, Cowperthwaite, J Chamberlain, Couderc, Cordts, G Coppuck, Carcasci, Peter

Collins (team boss), Dalles, de Rouvre, Deutsch, Fiorio, R Gonzalez, Galica, Gascoyne, Gilbert-Scott, Heyer, Hockenhull, Kennedy, Jarier, Lucchini, Lempeurer, McQuilliam, A Muller, Meira, L Oldfield, Nielsen, Nissen, Piper, Pitchforth, Rol, S Robertson, J Russell, Schlessler, Servoz-Gavin, Sandro Sala, Skaife, N Tesini, Tredozi, J Villeneuve Sr., Wickham

 

Died

JP Beltoise, Bross, Ducarouge, Habegger, Manzon

 

 

New

Arrivabene, G Chaves, Coletti, Merhi, Sainz, Todt

 

New Information

Filaninno - place of birth

 

Changed Information

M Galvin birthplace (and WATN)

Tom Pryce - birthplace

W Henzler - birthyear

Servoz-Gavin - changed death date.

 

 

Other

Minor tweaks to Blundell's birthplace, Crook's deathplace, Comas' birthplace

 

Thanks

David Hayhoe (Servoz-Gavin), John Siscoe (Pryce), Rewind (H Henzler), Bob Simbel (Various), Vince Howlett (Cordts), Nicola Tesini (himself and also Alberto Tassinari)

 

'Where Are They Now' is at: http://www.oldracing...m/drivers/watn/
 



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Posted 23 April 2015 - 04:03

 Hello Richard  ,

 

 

    I noticed over on Racing-reference  that had an entry for a Ray Campbell  that listed a April 29, 1902 dob  with an Oct 18,1980 date of death   And a Tonowanda NY home

 

  Meanwhile they also show him competing in Nascar in 1956 in convertible  race 23 in Toronto  as well  as in Sprint cup in 1957  in race 41 in Syracuse Ny , and 1958 Race 33 Rochester Ny. Also they show him aged in his  50's while competing in those nascar races .

 

   So this begs the question is this the "missing"  Ray Campbell  the 2 1930's Indy 500s  , or have they linked the wrong person to the nascar races?  (personally I think despite having the same 1902 birth year  I feel if the same ray Campbell from 1930's indy car race that raced in nascar he would have been "found" long ago .)

 

    Thanks  Paul



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Posted 23 April 2015 - 17:42

The Ray Campbell dates come from a contributor called „Anonymous“ who is very active on RR but does not verify his findings and gives no sources. What he does is not reliable research but pure guessing.
Obviously he just looks for fitting names but makes no proper identity checks.
So his assumptions sometimes are right and sometimes they are wrong.
But he suggests that they are proven facts which they clearly are not.
His Ray Campbell dates belong to one Raymond Owen Campbell who is buried in Syracuse, New York. At least the FindAGrave entry gives no hint whether he was a race car driver or not.



#797 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 20:50

Thanks Paul for getting in touch about one of the most obscurest of the obscure.

 

Ray Campbell of Indianapolis "fame" was from Detroir in Michigan. There's not a lot on the web about him, bar wearing an "English" crash helmet - http://www.motorspor...934/23/news-usa Despite that crash mentioned, he was still racing in 1935, again listed from Detroit, and appears to primarily have been a midget driver.

 

To confuse matters even more, there was a Ray Campbell from California who was a stock driver and is recorded as racing in 1973, described as a "veteran". If all the RC's are the same, 70 years of age seems unlikely to still be racing, to put it mildly.

 

My gut feel? All three Campbell's are different and the 1902-1980 guy probably isn't any of the three of them.



#798 Jim Thurman

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 00:09

Thanks Paul for getting in touch about one of the most obscurest of the obscure.

 

Ray Campbell of Indianapolis "fame" was from Detroir in Michigan. There's not a lot on the web about him, bar wearing an "English" crash helmet - http://www.motorspor...934/23/news-usa Despite that crash mentioned, he was still racing in 1935, again listed from Detroit, and appears to primarily have been a midget driver.

 

To confuse matters even more, there was a Ray Campbell from California who was a stock driver and is recorded as racing in 1973, described as a "veteran". If all the RC's are the same, 70 years of age seems unlikely to still be racing, to put it mildly.

 

My gut feel? All three Campbell's are different and the 1902-1980 guy probably isn't any of the three of them.

 

Not an uncommon name, but I can definitely clarify that the California Ray Campbell, who raced in the 1970s, was not in the 70 year age range. That Ray Campbell was from Turlock, California and raced the unique Sportsman division primarily at Watsonville and Merced (where he was the 1973 track champion), but also when the class made their annual visit to the paved San Jose Speedway.



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Posted 24 April 2015 - 16:23

Yes, not an uncommon name, unfortunately. There was also a Californian Ray Campbell (often listed as D. Ray Campbell) in the mid thirties, but definitely not the Indy 500 driver. The Indy Ray Campbell was, as Richard correctly states, mostly listed under Detroit/MI, but also Frankfort/IN a couple of times, and even Akron/OH - no New York connection that I can see. I have only one Midget appearance for him, 1935 in Flint/MI, but 53 Big Car entries between 1922 and '36 which are, I'm reasonably confident, all from one and the same person. Interestingly, most of them are from Ohio races (23), followed by Indiana and Pennsylvania (10 each), only 5 in Michigan, 2 in Illinois and one each in New York, Kentucky and Maryland - the latter two events were just over the stateline from Ohio and Penna, respectively. As for car owners, information is mostly suspect, but Illinois (Henry Kohlert, Nelson Bros.), Ohio (Hal Hosterman), Michigan (G. W. Sinclair) and Pennsylvania (E. D. Stairs) again figure, as do Massachusetts (!, W. H. Richards with strong Studebaker/Indiana connections) and Missouri (Tulio Gulotta). Does this help?