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True colours of Frank Williams' March 711 in 1972?


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#1 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 28 November 2002 - 23:30

I got this request from a lad in Brazil, I am unable to confirm the true colours of the Frank Williams Politoys sponsored car, I have always thought they were black, but could they have been a very dark shade of blue?


Hi, my name is Julio Cesar and live in Brazil.
I'm build scale model car. I'm building the Frank Williams March 711 season '72 and i need help:
-what color paint? dark blue or black?
You can help me?

thank you

PS:sorry my mistakes

Julio Cesar


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#2 jarama

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Posted 28 November 2002 - 23:35

Rainer,

I'm not sure, but of the top of my head, I would say it was a very dark shade of blue.

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#3 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 November 2002 - 23:45

My memory said dark blue as well, but checking the colour pages in Motor Sport, it looks black!

#4 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 November 2002 - 23:52

I knew Brazil has a history of providing refuge for political asylum seekers... but surely not that far back?

#5 Roger Clark

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Posted 28 November 2002 - 23:59

THe Motor Sport report of the Spanish Grand Prix said that it was dark blue.

#6 Jeremy Jackson

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 00:00

Saw Frank's 721 at the International Trophy in 1972, and it was definitely very dark blue, not black.

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#7 Vitesse2

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 00:29

One small point - Rainer's correspondent does specify the March 711, not the 721. That figures, as that was Pace's car. Both wings (or the wing and the tea tray!) were white.

#8 WGD706

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 03:11

Here is Henri Pescarolo in the Williams March at Kyalami, South Africa in 1972...
http://www.ifrance.c...GP/IMGP210e.jpg

Carlos Pace in a Williams March at Jamara, Spain in 1972...
http://www.ifrance.c...GP/IMGP211c.jpg

Pace again in a Williams March at Nivelles, Belgium in 1972...
http://www.ifrance.c...GP/IMGP213c.jpg
They all appear to be either black or a dark blue.

Also try the following site for individual races during the 1972 season...
http://www.motorraci...o72/retro72.htm
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#9 Rob Ryder

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 08:56

Rainer

I got the same mail from Julio Cesar. I have sent him some pics from 1972 that show it was definitely dark blue... "I know 'cos I was there!".

In fact it was a similar dark blue to Rob Walker's colours IIRC. Siffert's & Hill's Lotus both looked black in some photographs.

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#10 Doug Nye

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 10:08

Exactly - Frank's preferred colours were dark blue - definitely, definitely NOT black.

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#11 Rob29

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 16:27

Frank used many colours. F3 cars in 1967 were a two-tone green. F2 in 68 & F1 69 a very dark blue much darker than Rob Walker's. 1970 DeTomaso red. 71 dark Blue again then various sponsors colours.

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 18:09

Have a look at Carlos Pace's and Henri Pescarolo's cars at the NĆ¼rburgring in 1972 here:

http://www.motorspor...e_gpd_1972.html

#13 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 November 2002 - 22:04

Originally posted by Rob29
Frank used many colours. F3 cars in 1967 were a two-tone green. F2 in 68 & F1 69 a very dark blue much darker than Rob Walker's. 1970 DeTomaso red. 71 dark Blue again then various sponsors colours.


The Piers Courage Tasman car... green and gold? Green with some stripe, I'm sure.

#14 Wielki Wódz

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 19:09

I've revived this old thread - to ask a question of course :blush:
It concerns the livery at the beginning of the 1971 season.
I have several colour pictures of the 711/3 driven by Pescarolo and the car is always red there. Either the 701/6 is always red, Ray Allen drove the red March in the Race of Champions, but the 711/3 driven by Peterson was dark blue (or grey) :

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The question is: was it this dark blue they applied in 1969/1972 or simply they didn't manage to paint it red? Did they use this blue/grey livery in other races this season?

#15 Doug Nye

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 22:10

Trust me - nothing grey about Frank's cars - very dark blue, as in BLUE.

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#16 Wielki Wódz

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 00:30

Doug, I really trust you. :cool: But what about other very dark blue entries in 1971, if there were any?

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 01:21

I do not have photo of March 711 in Brazil but I have this of Sud Africa , H Pecarolo in Argentina and the car is Navy blue


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#18 Twin Window

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 05:55

Probably of little or no help, but this is the only useable pic I ever took of a blue Frank Williams-entered car; the Politoys upon its debut at Brands in 1972.

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#19 Barry Boor

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 06:27

Merely to confirm what Doug said - dark blue, always dark blue.

In fact I think the colour on the cars up to the much-loved (well by me anyway!) Politoys, was exactly the same as Piers Courage's Brabham in 1969.

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#20 David Lawson

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 06:43

My photograph of Pescarolo's 711 at Silverstone shows the Williams Transit van in the usual dark blue.

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#21 Vicuna

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 09:46

Originally posted by Ray Bell


The Piers Courage Tasman car... green and gold? Green with some stripe, I'm sure.


Wrong - dark blue with small white stripe

#22 MCS

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 13:06

Originally posted by Rainer Nyberg
I got this request from a lad in Brazil, I am unable to confirm the true colours of the Frank Williams Politoys sponsored car, I have always thought they were black, but could they have been a very dark shade of blue?


Midnight blue.

#23 brickyard

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 14:53

The 1969 Williams' Brabham was black with white stripes.

The red March was red because of the sponsor Motul.

Then the cars went a very dark shade of blue.

#24 Rob Ryder

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 18:48

Originally posted by brickyard
The 1969 Williams' Brabham was black with white stripes.
The red March was red because of the sponsor Motul.
Then the cars went a very dark shade of blue.


Sorry Luis, but I with MCS & Vicuna (plus all of images ;) ).. the 1969 Williams Brabham was dark/midnight blue with a central white stripe.
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#25 Wielki Wódz

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 19:35

Originally posted by Vicuna


Wrong - dark blue with small white stripe

... small white stripe on the nose and big yellow ones on each side and yellow aerofoils. :cool:



Thak you, gentlemen. Now we have two nice pictures there to compare, with the Williams transporter and the Politoys. The shade of blue looks pretty similar on both photos.
Nobody remember any other races in blue in 1971, so there was only this one probably.

Interesting that early in 1972 Pace's 711 had the 721 airbox and Pesca's 721 had the 711 "tea tray"... Hard to tell one from another.

BTW I have a polite request to make my Williams files more complete - is there a picture of Cyd Williams driving the 701 or sitting in available, please?