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#101 lanciaman

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 00:07

Originally posted by Lotus23
lanciaman, I might add: while all that is taking place, the searing nitromethane fumes will be turning your lungs into gray porridge!


And frying your synapses, or I would have remembered not being able to breathe.

When I positioned myself at the christmas tree, as the new PR director for the racetrack at my first ever dragrace, I couldn't imagine why the starter was stifling a laugh. "I want to see them up close the first time," I said.... :eek:

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#102 canon1753

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 04:26

Top Fuel Dragsters are the baddest there are. Followed by the 1986 qualifying trim F1 cars, early 70's Indy cars on qualifying boost, and the 917/30. On the road, the baddest car was my 1986 Plymouth Turismo 2.2, 96bhp of sheer power. :rotfl: :rotfl: :clap:

#103 ray b

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 04:32

a buddy had a 59 anglia with a chevy V8 in the front
actualy in was in the front seat too to, he sat in the rear
it was fast in a strait line but didnot stop or corner worth a chit

another guy had a healy 100 with a chevy V8 swaped in it too
he was shocked when he cut out the wheel wells to fit slicks
it cut like butter, he had a rare alloy bodyed le monz rep car
both were daily drivers, and weekend street racers
owned and built by teenagers in late 60's miami
both were done under a grand total cost
but won more than their cost to build

btw our street races were out in the farm fields on blocked hi-ways
but we had x-mas trees and gave out timming slips tooo
not in traffic or citys streets like the punks do today

#104 onelung

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 06:09

Surely this would have been an adrenalin boosting experience .. ?
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#105 Terry Walker

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 07:16

The original Goggomobil Coupe was a micro-car with a 360cc rear engine. When Vic Watson finished with his, it had a 5-litre small-block Ford in the back, through a VW box, and rear swing axles no less. What's more, he grafted discs onto the Goggo's original swing-axle front suspension, and raced possibly the only car with swing axles both ends.

It had a very short wheelbase and was reputedly very scarey to drive.

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#106 BT 35-8

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 07:41

Unfortunately I must advise of a minor connection with stuffing a Riley Pathfinder engine into an unsuspecting Fiat Topolino sometime in the early /mid 1960s in the Sydney suburb of Carlton , Paul Hamilton should also own up on this as being a person of interest.

Bryan Miller.

#107 onelung

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 10:13

Re the Goggo "creation" ...

Oh my god!
And how would our Nanny state auto sport authorities view such an object today!

Ah - when sex was safe, and motor racing .... etc etc

#108 Vicuna

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 10:19

Originally posted by rdrcr
BAD....

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402 cid each, 4 wheel drive, the runs were filled with tire smoke from all four tires, start to finish!

http://www.draglist....-2000/Tommy Ivo


It's all relative.

... most of the "Tuner" cars currently being produced today are pretty "bad" 600+ hp, 600+ lbs torque, sub 4 second runs to 60 mph, sub 5's to 100, 200+ mph top speed and stop on a dime.

Hell it's only money, how fast do you want to go?


This is TV Tommy Ivo's 'show car'...

Bad is not necessarily unsuccessful but in the latter category, I rate the air cooled Honda F1 car near the top..

#109 biercemountain

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 14:02

Originally posted by jdanton
917-30. 1200hp and practically undefeated...


Amen!

#110 tomkatf

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 16:23

Originally posted by Lipp
[B]It must be a Honda S800 coupé with the famous high revving 800cc engine (a motorcycle chain driving the back wheels) What do I win???? :p ;) :clap:
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But the S600 was redlined at 9500rpm stock... so it was 1000rpm badder!

The S800 "only" redlined at 8500, if I recall correctly...

The chains on the S600 were enclosed in transfer cases inboard of the rear wheels and were driven by a fairly normal looking differential..I may be wrong but the S800 may have gone to a standard live rear axle by productions end. I actually drove an S600 coupe during my last year of high school on Okinawa...neat little car, lots of fun.

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 17:10

Originally posted by Terry Walker
The original Goggomobil Coupe was a micro-car with a 360cc rear engine. When Vic Watson finished with his, it had a 5-litre small-block Ford in the back, through a VW box, and rear swing axles no less. What's more, he grafted discs onto the Goggo's original swing-axle front suspension, and raced possibly the only car with swing axles both ends.

It had a very short wheelbase and was reputedly very scarey to drive.

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Wrong thread - this car is absolutely

good!!!

#112 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 21:36

Originally posted by tomkatf
.....I may be wrong but the S800 may have gone to a standard live rear axle by productions end. I actually drove an S600 coupe during my last year of high school on Okinawa...neat little car, lots of fun.


Man... I waited forty years to drive one!

And you're right, it did go to live rear axle, and I think it was quite early in the S800's lifetime. But my lingering, unforgettable impressions headed the article that I wrote about that car:

Driving along a tree-lined road at dusk I was experiencing something new. But all of a sudden it had a vivid, living connection with the distant past!

There it was! Something I never expected, the connection that took me back forty years! Memories flooded back, but not of sights or events, but of a sound and a setting, a wonderful moment in time that cannot be erased.

The Honda S600 has a very distinctive exhaust sound. Well, of course it does – wouldn’t any car with four tiny cylinders screaming out past 9000rpm do so?

Through the tiny twin exhausts came a kind of a flattened consistent rasp, totally unique and a joy to those who fancy fine engines. But what of the moment in time?

It was the middle of the night, or at least ten o’clock. Belrose was rural those days, none of the brick and tile fill that was to start to form a few years later. The Forest Way was smooth but followed the ups and downs of the terrain, so in front of Mike Kable’s home there was a minor dip and then, after the following rise, the road dropped away a bit before leveling out.

The setting was perfect for that sound to ring out between the wattle and the scrubby brush that lined each side of the road. The Honda didn’t come in to view, it came into earshot. I’d been looking longingly at these cars for months, though I would never be a buyer.

I simply liked their make-up. The way they combined the growing Japanese functionality of design with known race and performance engine techniques, making a really practical screamer of an engine. And there was the rest of the car, of course. The independent rear end with those strange chain cases taking the drive.

So it was a very busy sound that came to my ears that night. It must have been somewhere over 7,000 rpm as the lights came into sight, and then the wavering of the note through that little dip, over that slight rise and down the drop – lovely!

But though it stood out in my mind every time I thought about these Hondas over many years, it’s become less and less common to make that connection. So when I took Russell Denning’s little buzzbox for a drive it wasn’t a thought at all.

“You can’t write about it unless you drive it!” he’d said to me. And he was right. All those revs, so foreign to anyone used to driving cars with the kind of torque that no 600cc engine will ever have. The only car I’ve ever driven that was anything like it was a Daihatsu Campagno Spyder 800. And that was fun too.

Going up through the gears on the Boorowa Road out of Russell’s hometown of Cowra, I reached top gear and was getting along well. And then it happened. A slight dip in the road, that familiar wavering of the exhaust wail, and I was forty years younger again!

What it is that causes these aural sensations I cannot explain. Only a couple of cars have ever done it to me. But it was exciting to once again be united with that sound that forced its way through the scrub that night all those years ago.



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Posted 27 November 2007 - 21:53

I understand there is a wealthy young man in Japan trying to put one of these things in a Mini! :rotfl:

http://www.k4viz.com/12-Cylinder.html

If he can pull it off it should be pretty dang bad.

Henry

#114 Bonde

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 23:08

The Goggomobil in Ted's post begs the question: Why?

(...although I must admit I like it. What superloons should be all about...)


In the same vein, I'm sure there's got to be som 'bad' Trabants out there somewhere...

#115 dretceterini

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 06:41

The Alfa Romeo Tipo 412 sports; basically an Alfa 8c2900A with a 12 cylinder 12c37 GP motor. It ran both supercharged and with just carbs. With the supercharger it close to 400 hp in a 2000 pound sports car (NOT a "go fast in a straight line car"), in 1938!

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 03:41

A few months ago, there was an Oldsmobile Toronado (luxo FWD) with 2 BUILT V8's - built by Grant King(?) who owned a big piston ring company - on Ebay. Obviously 4 wheel drive and said to be wicked on acceleration. It went for a pretty high price. Andy Granatelli used to to have a big Chevy with some monster motor which also handled quite well. Said to be able to smoke Italian exotics. I have the 1984 Honda CRX (hatchback) with 2 Accord 4 cyl. engines and 2 automatics which will pull 147 mph and which was built by Racing Beat in Anaheim, Calif. for Car & driver magazine and twice on the cover. This car will vacate the premises pronto - off the line. Not for sale :-)

Joe
Lady Lake, Florida

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:37

In my teenage years Group 5 (should that have been Group Badass perhaps ?) cars were the baddest cars on the planet Mody Dick, Lancia Beta Monte Carlo's, BMW CSL and 320 Turbo's were close to the top of the list,

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but my favorites were the recalcitrant Janspeed TR8 Turbo

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and the marginally more reliable Ferrari 308 GTB Turbo of which I only felt the latter shaking the stands at Silverstone as it blasted between the Woodcote Chicane and Copse.

#118 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:26

With the S600s a well known rodder and club sprint bloke Kevin Johns has been using one for 30 years with a 3.3 litre Holden motor. His other one was badder, widened body and a 283 Chev engine. A few others around with 2 litre Ford engines.
Kevin also repowered a Honda Zot, 360 cc to Morris 1100s 1275.

Though Aussie Sports Sedans have had some serious mods. The Monterosso 6 litre RS2000 Escort. 600hp 890kilos of alloy moncoque.
The sister car, the Ricciardello Alfa GTV with again a 6 litre Chev. still winning at 20 years old.
Or even my Torana, 580hp Chev in a 920 kilo body. normally 2nd quickest in a straight line at most Aussie track, The Alfa was faster though not much. Unfortunatly for me it was 2-4 seconds a lap faster than me.
Lots of other similar devices around, plus some even wilder ones in the 70s in NZ.

Edited by Lee Nicolle, 30 January 2013 - 11:33.


#119 Bob Riebe

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 19:50

Carl Shafer's ultimate Camaro.

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#120 RogerFrench

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 20:40

The baddest car I can remember, just, was the AJB Special of Archie Butterworth which I saw when I was about 9 years old or so at Prescott. Somehow the Mallock-owned Austin Seven "Bombsk" didn't quite impress me as much, even though both "Uncle" Arthur and my father were driving it.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 20:54

The original Goggomobil Coupe was a micro-car with a 360cc rear engine. When Vic Watson finished with his, it had a 5-litre small-block Ford in the back, through a VW box, and rear swing axles no less. What's more, he grafted discs onto the Goggo's original swing-axle front suspension, and raced possibly the only car with swing axles both ends.

It had a very short wheelbase and was reputedly very scarey to drive.

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My dream car......swing-axles BOTH ENDS. :up: :up: All it needs is drums all 'round.

#122 TIPO61

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 21:05

I'd offer the Chaparral 2F (made of unobtainium).

#123 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 21:58

My dream car......swing-axles BOTH ENDS. :up: :up: All it needs is drums all 'round.

VW drums on the rear it seems, and that wonderfull swing axle raer end too. You would feel at home, just the Ford has too much power for you!

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 21:17

I remember a few years ago coming across at some car show a honda crx with the lump from a acura nsx stuffed ! in the back. quite crude, but I guess he drove it there ! no photos unfortunately.

mike in canada

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:05

The Mercedes-Benz W125 Rekordwagen.