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#1 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 22:41

Having enjoyed Mike’s quiz I thought I should have a go at setting one. I hope it’s not too soon after the last one.

The same rules apply – the first post that has all the correct answers is the winner. And, yes, there will be a prize.



1. Who set the fastest qualifying time for the 1985 F1 Belgian Grand Prix?

2. “Some day you will arrive at the heights, as he did. Perhaps you will be even more famous.” Who said that? Who did he say it to? And what was the occasion on which it was said?

3. What happened when Tazio Nuvolari had his first test drive in an Alfa Romeo at Monza?

4. What is a Ferrari C35?

5. Who are Mattie, Isabel, Susan and Betty?

6. What is the common factor in the first F1 WDC Grand Prix wins of Jack Brabham, Denny Hulme and Jim Clark?

7. Which F1 WDC Grand Prix winner has led the least number of laps in all his races?

8. What caused the accident that led to the death of Count Eliot Zborowski at the 1903 La Turbie hillclimb and what is the legendary link to the death of his son, Count Louis Vorow Zborowski at Monza in 1924?

9. When was the first time radio contact between car and its refuelling and servicing depot used during a record attempt? Name the venue and car and driver involved.
Was the attempt successful?

10. When FISA announced the 1985 F1 World Championship schedule at a press conference in Paris on December 20, 1984, which long standing event was missing and what two new venues, apart from Adelaide, were listed?

11. In 1984 a Golden Helmet Award was won by Mark Blundell. He won it by winning more overall or class victories in RAC approved motor race meetings in Britain during that year. His total was 25 overall wins and no class victories. The driver who was placed fourth actually had the second highest total of overall wins (19) and only one class win. Who was he and what cars did he drive?

12. Who won the 1985 Bangalore Grand Prix and what car was he driving?

13. What was special about the car that Peter Argetsinger tested at Savannah, Georgia in February 1985?

14. What were the circumstances that led to R.M.V. Sutton’s Lea-Francis running out of fuel in the 1930 International Tourist Trophy Race?

15. Which winner of the British F3 Championship flew to Italy, supposedly to celebrate his wife’s birthday in Venice, and then surfaced at Fiorano, testing a Ferrari F1 car? When did it happen?

16. In the report of which F1 WDC Grand Prix did this appear?

“Parties of students ran riot on Friday evening, their behaviour in some cases being on a parallel with razor-gangs of the ‘twenties. A parked Renault was turned over – just for fun, and other “amusements” consisted of smashing restaurant signs and knocking over inoffensive person’s drinks. Many British right feet itched, and in at least a couple of cases made contact in the right places.”

17. What was the Wasp Grub?

18. When Stirling Moss crashed his Kieft F3 car at Brussels in 1952, who was it who loaned him his car for the next few races?

19. Two days after Goldie Gardner’s successful record attempts at Bonneville in August 1951 an American owned MG TD set 23 new national records. Who was the driver?

20. Where and when was the first New Zealand Grand Prix held?

21. Who was the New Zealand driver who raced a works Lister-Jaguar?

22. Who set the first ever 100 mph Formula 3 lap record at Brands Hatch and when was it done?

23. Which circuit had a section named New Zealand Hill?

24. What is the greatest number of different makes to finish in the top placings of a F1 WDC Grand Prix? Where, when and what makes?

25. Name the drivers who have raced in a F1 WDC race in a car of their own surname.

26. How many of the ten New Zealand Peter Stuyvesant races run in 1978 were won by drivers with a New Zealand competition licence?

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#2 Rob G

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 22:53

25. Off the top of my head: Chris Amon, Jack Brabham, Bruce McLaren, John Surtees, Arturo Merzario, Graham Hill, Hector Rebaque, Paul Emery

I'm sure I've forgotten a bunch...

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 23:16

Originally posted by Milan Fistonic
6. What is the common factor in the first F1 WDC Grand Prix wins of Jack Brabham, Denny Hulme and Jim Clark?

7. Which F1 WDC Grand Prix winner has led the least number of laps in all his races?


6. For each of them, it was their 17th WDC GP.

7. Peter Gethin, I guess (1971 Italian GP winner) - just three laps.

#4 Vitesse2

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 23:21

25 Not Paul Emery! Aldo Gordini, Bill Aston, Wilson & Emerson Fittipaldi and David Brabham. Are you counting Graham Hill, Milan? He practiced the GH1 but never raced it.

1 Alain Prost (Or is this a trick question?)

6 Their first wins came in their seventeenth WDC races.

7 Scarfiotti? Brambilla?

15 A guess: Jackie Stewart, 1965

20 Ohakea 1950

8 Zborowski senior was killed when his cuff-links caught in the hand throttle of his car. Zborowski junior was allegedly wearing the same cuff-links the day he died.

#5 Geza Sury

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 23:36

Originally posted by Rob G
25. Off the top of my head: Chris Amon, Jack Brabham, Bruce McLaren, John Surtees, Arturo Merzario, Graham Hill, Hector Rebaque, Paul Emery

Also Bill Aston, David Brabham, Emerson and Wilson Fittipaldi and Amedee Gordini.

1. Alain Prost 1:55.306

15. Johnny Dumfries?

#6 Roger Clark

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 23:52

18 Derek Annable
19. D Van Osten

#7 Geza Sury

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 00:08

Originally posted by Geza Sury

Also Bill Aston, David Brabham, Emerson and Wilson Fittipaldi and Amedee Gordini.

I stand corrected, the last one was of course Aldo, not Amedee.

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 00:24

1. Michele Alboreto (in June) and Alain Prost (in September)
20. 1954, Ardmore

#9 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 00:55

5. These are Jim Clark's sisters. Although Isobel spells her name with an 'o'.

13. Great question! Which I'll let someone else answer.

#10 Marcor

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 01:04

3)- From http://www.tazionuvolari.it/bio_uk.htm

In 1925 Nuvolari did not race car at all. These were the years of his consecration as an ace of the two wheelers. However, summoned for a test drive on Sept. 1st, 1925, at Monza, he was given the triumphant P2 - the dominat Gran prix car of those days - to drive. He drove faster and faster for 5 laps - faster than Campari and Marinoni, and close to Antonio Ascari's best lap of the year before. But at the sixth lap, his test drive ended with a spectacular unplanned exit from the track (Nuvolari could have taken the place of Ascari, who was killed at Monthléry a month before; but Vittorio Jano, the Alfa Romeo director racing, would not consider him again until 1929). The car was heavily damaged, the driver injured but 12 days later Tazio, still aching, went to Monza where, with a special bandage, he rode his Bianchi 350 and won the Gran Premio delle Nazioni.

In brief: During the test drive on Sept 1st, 1925, Nuvolari was faster than the usual drivers of the team but had a crash at the 6th lap, so Jano would not consider him again until 1929

#11 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 01:14

3. Marc beat me to the punch on this one. The only thing I can add is that the cause of the crash was the gearbox seizing. My source on this is the Lurani biography and he also has it as happening on the 8th lap. Lurani also has it as seven days later that Nuvolari was back on the Bianchi.

#12 Marcor

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 01:30

12)- Tiff Needell.

19)- Dick Van Osten

25)- Chris Amon, Bill Aston, Jack Brabham, David Brabham, Emerson Fittipaldi (but not Wilson, as the car was called Copersucar in 1975), Aldo Gordini (strictly speaking, are we sure the car he drove was called Gordini, not Simca-Gordini ?), Graham Hill (strictly speaking, not really...), Bruce McLaren, Arturo Merzario, Hector Rebaque, John Surtees.

#13 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 03:26

These are the questions that have been answered correctly so far.

1.Fines got this right.
Even though there was only one practice session held at Spa in June before the race was postponed, all sessions counted for grid positions in those days – there were no separate qualifying sessions as such. So Alboreto’s time in the first session qualified him on pole if the race had been held.

3. Marcor got this one.
Richard Williams' new book on Ferrari says that when Nuvolari left the road the car got caught up in a barbed-wire fence and a group of soldiers had to free him.

5. Mike Argetsinger probably met all four sisters. Sorry about the spelling mistake.

6. Scheivlak has this right.

7. And this one

8. Vitesse2 has obviously read William Court’s Grand Prix Requiem.

12. Marcor has answered half the question.

15. Geza Sury has answered half of this as well.

18. Roger Clark got this right.
Derek Annabel was the first owner of a MkV Cooper into which a later owner fitted a pulse jet engine. The car came to New Zealand and was demonstrated all around this country and Australia before being laid up. A friend of mine bought the car, removed the jet engine, and fitted a JAP engine to the restored car.

19. Roger got this right and Marcor added the Christian name.

20. Vitesse2 didn’t fall into the trap that caught Fines.
The 1954 race at Ardmore has become known as the first New Zealand International Grand Prix but its official title, as printed in the programme was The New Zealand Motor Cup and it was organised by Auckland International Grand Prix (Inc).

25. I’ll accept Marcor’s answer for this one.
I agree with the question marks you raise over Hill, Gordini and Wilson Fittipaldi. It all depends on which book you look in.

#14 Falcadore

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 04:33

10. The South African event was missing. Jerez and Suzuka had been listed?

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 06:02

10. Monaco was left off the initial calendar over a problem with TV rights (IIRC).

#16 David McKinney

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 06:44

20. The first NZ race with the title of Grand Prix was held at Orakei, Auckland, in 1933 and callled the Prosperity Grand Prix. The fist race called the New Zealand Grand Prix was, as vitesse2 so rightly says, at Ohakea in 1950.

21. I know this, but will wait a bit to give other Nothern Hemisphere members a chance ;)

22. Howden Ganley 1968

#17 Roger Clark

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 07:55

Originally posted by Milan Fistonic


1.Fines got this right.
Even though there was only one practice session held at Spa in June before the race was postponed, all sessions counted for grid positions in those days – there were no separate qualifying sessions as such. So Alboreto’s time in the first session qualified him on pole if the race had been held.


For the sake of pedantry, there were two qualifying sessions on Friday and Saturday, but also practice sessions which did not count towards grid position. In June there was a session on Friday morning and a qualifying session in the afternoon.

Question 2 sounds like Enzo Ferrari. Did he say it to Alberto Ascari?

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 08:32

21 = Sybill Lupp will in fact I am just asuming that she is the driver as its NZ and a Jaguar and quite frankly that points to her?

#19 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 08:45

mark f1 - Yes that's the one that was missing and for the reason you give.

David - Yes it was Ganley but not in 1968.

Roger - It was said to Alberto Ascari but not by Ferrari.

Phillip - No, not Sybill Lupp.

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#20 Barry Lake

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 08:56

Originally posted by Mike Argetsinger
3. Marc beat me to the punch on this one. The only thing I can add is that the cause of the crash was the gearbox seizing. My source on this is the Lurani biography and he also has it as happening on the 8th lap. Lurani also has it as seven days later that Nuvolari was back on the Bianchi.


Lurani was probably writing from memory on this one. The Italian GP for cars was at Monza 6 September that year, and the GP delle Nazioni for motorcycles was on 13 September -12 days after the date Nuvolari is said to have tested the Alfa Romeo.

#21 Barry Lake

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 09:00

2. A calculated guess, then: was it Tazio Nuvolari's widow, to Alberto Ascari?

#22 Barry Lake

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 09:04

Originally posted by David McKinney
20. The first NZ race with the title of Grand Prix was held at Orakei, Auckland, in 1933 and callled the Prosperity Grand Prix. The fist race called the New Zealand Grand Prix was, as vitesse2 so rightly says, at Ohakea in 1950.


David

Are you able to give me exact dates for these two races?

The Ohakea race was mentioned in one of the recent NZ books, but I can't remember which one at the moment.

I am trying to remember if there were other NZGPs between 1950 and 1954.

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 09:11

Originally posted by Milan Fistonic
These are the questions that have been answered correctly so far.
15. Geza Sury has answered half of this as well.

Great! Oh, and when did it happen? Perhaps late 1984 or early 1985.

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 09:42

16. I seem to recall it was at Watkin's Glen but I'm not sure which year? - 74?

#25 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 09:48

Barry - No, not Mrs Nuvolari.

The dates you were asking about are in Vercoe's book.

Prosperity GP - July 29,1933

NZ Grand Prix Ohakea - March 18, 1950 and March 3, 1951

#26 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 09:50

Originally posted by Richie Jenkins
16. I seem to recall it was at Watkin's Glen but I'm not sure which year? - 74?


Quite a bit earlier than that.

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 09:54

1969?

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 10:39

question 21 - Ok I have spent yonks looking this up and belive the answer may now be Ross Jenson who drove a Lister - Jaguar in the 13 September 1958 - Goodwood (GB): Round 6, World Sports Car Championship. I also believe Ron Roycroft had extensive driving in Jaguars but have yet to find a link to a works Lister Jaguar.

Im trying to work on question 26 I do know that Keke Rosburg drove at least one season in NZ under a NZ licence its just a matter of which year 77 or 78 and who else won the 1978 races.

#29 Phillip

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 10:51

Originally posted by Barry Lake


David

Are you able to give me exact dates for these two races?

The Ohakea race was mentioned in one of the recent NZ books, but I can't remember which one at the moment.

I am trying to remember if there were other NZGPs between 1950 and 1954.


Was it the book "50 Years on Track" by Sandy Myhre.

#30 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 10:56

Originally posted by Richie Jenkins
1969?



Quite a bit earlier than that and on a different continent.

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 11:30

17. Wasp Grub was a miniature hill climb special built by Jack Moor for his young son Nicholas based on his own Wasp Special. It had a 150cc engine and appeared in about 1951.

24. British GP 1981 saw the first 11 places made up of different marques and a few of the early retirements followed suit:-
1 McLaren; 2 Williams; 3 Ligier; 4 Tyrrell; 5 Brabham; 6 ATS; 7 March; 8 Osella; 9 Renault; 10 Arrows; 11 Theodore: Next Retirements were Alfa, Fittipaldi, Lotus & Renault - the first repeat.
(I'm sure this is right, I worked it out once before but can't remember what I did with it)

#32 Roger Clark

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 11:40

Is number 16 the 1960 French Grand Prix?

#33 Roger Clark

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 11:43

Originally posted by David Holland
17.

24. British GP 1981 saw the first 11 places made up of different marques and a few of the early retirements followed suit:-
1 McLaren; 2 Williams; 3 Ligier; 4 Tyrrell; 5 Brabham; 6 ATS; 7 March; 8 Osella; 9 Renault; 10 Arrows; 11 Theodore: Next Retirements were Alfa, Fittipaldi, Lotus & Renault - the first repeat.
(I'm sure this is right, I worked it out once before but can't remember what I did with it)


And no Ferraris mentioned!

#34 David McKinney

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 11:56

Originally posted by Milan Fistonic
NZ Grand Prix Ohakea - March 18, 1950 and March 3, 1951

The 1951 Ohakea race was definitely not called the NZ GP
The organisers wanted it to be, but the ANZCC (national governing body) refused their application on the grounds that (a) it was to be run on a handicap basis and (b) the distance - 75 miles against the 108 of the 1950 race - was thought to be too short to warrant the title
The title therefore lapsed until it was revived by the Ardmore organisers for their 1955 race

#35 Barry Lake

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 12:13

Originally posted by Phillip


Was it the book "50 Years on Track" by Sandy Myhre.


No. I don't have that one. By recent I meant in the last few years - these days "few" could be 10...15... There were some NZ book on histories of various clubs and circuits. I thought it was in one of those.

#36 Vitesse2

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 12:51

4 This is a Ferrari C35! Top of the range model will leave you just £1 change from £4300 :eek:

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Oh, and I got the Zborowski story from Georgano .... :)

#37 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 17:58

Phillip - Correct except for the spelling.

David - Correct with both 17 and 24.
You were wondering what you did with the answer to 24 - you put it on page 551 of Grand Prix Data Book 1997.

Roger - The right race for number 16 - wrong year.

Vitesse2 - Correct.
Built by Colnago to celebrate Ferrari's 40th anniversary. Only 40 were built. One sold at auction in Christie's 1999 Geneva sale for 10,373 pounds.

By my reckoning we haven't got answers to numbers 9, 11, 13, 14, 23 and 26.

And we've got partial answers to numbers 2, 10, 15, 16 and 22.

Remeber the winner is the first person to post all the correct answers in a single post.

A few clues perhaps.

9 - It was in Britain
11 - The award was sponsored by a magazine.
14 - One of his team mates wrote about the incident.

#38 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 17:59

Phillip - Correct except for the spelling.

David - Correct with both 17 and 24.
You were wondering what you did with the answer to 24 - you put it on page 551 of Grand Prix Data Book 1997.

Roger - The right race for number 16 - wrong year.

Vitesse2 - Correct.
Built by Colnago to celebrate Ferrari's 40th anniversary. Only 40 were built. One sold at auction in Christie's 1999 Geneva sale for 10,373 pounds.

By my reckoning we haven't got answers to numbers 9, 11, 13, 14, 23 and 26.

And we've got partial answers to numbers 2, 10, 15, 16 and 22.

Remember the winner is the first person to post all the correct answers in a single post.

A few clues perhaps.

9 - It was in Britain
11 - The award was sponsored by a magazine.
14 - One of his team mates wrote about the incident.

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 23:25

9- Brooklands ?
21- Ross Jensen

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Posted 04 January 2003 - 23:43

Originally posted by Marcor
9- Brooklands ?


Well as it's a "record attempt", I figure it has to be Brooklands or Pendine. But as there were few record runs at Brooklands after Montlhéry opened, due to the restrictions on night running ....

#41 Marcor

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 00:20

So Sammy Davis wrote about the incident.

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 00:21

10 Monaco was missing as was said but weren't events in New York and Russia? listed

#43 Vitesse2

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 00:34

Originally posted by Marcor
So Sammy Davis wrote about the incident.


Oh well, that narrows it down then :rolleyes:

11 The Golden Helmet was an Autosport reader poll, not the Autosprint award of the same name .... Roger? :)

#44 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 00:53

Marcor & Vitesse2 - Yes it was at Brooklands and yes it was spread over two days because of the no night racing allowed.

LB - New York was one of the events listed but not Russia.

11 - Not a reader's poll. It was awarded on the number of wins achieved in the year.

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 01:26

Originally posted by Milan Fistonic
LB - New York was one of the events listed but not Russia.


The only others i can think of would be either Hungary ( but the track wasn't built in time) or an outside pop at China. I definately recall there being a race listed in a communist country before it actually happened in 1986 with the Hungaroboring

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 01:42

Typical, I go away for 2 days and miss a whole quiz ( and I knew a couple of answers too).

Just in case you are interested here is a pic of the Wasp Grub at Prescott this year

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#47 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 01:54

It's not too late to enter Mark, the others have already done a lot of the work for you.

LB - Not China.

#48 Marcor

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 03:02

22- Howden Ganley did the fastest lap during the E.R. Hall Trophy, round 17 of the Lombank championship. The time was 1' 35" 4/10 so just more than 100 mph. Date = October 19th, 1969.

Is it correct ?

#49 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 04:38

Marcor - That's the correct answer to 22.

I think a few more clues are required.

2 - Alberto Ascari had not started racing when this was said to him.

9 - The car involved was a Spyker.

11 - Brands Hatch.

13 - Mike knows the answer so no clues.

14 - An exasperated pit manager was involved.

23 - It was only part of the circuit pre-war.

26 - I thought Phillip was going to get this one.

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Posted 05 January 2003 - 05:04

ok more guesses

2 was the occasion his dads funeral? as to who said it hmm I have no clue.

10 I'm not giving up on this, as its really bugging me now not Russia not China - I assume its not Hungary as I suggested that too - hmm how many countries are they ? :)

14 hmm complete guess - they forgot to pack the pit board?

23 is it Donington?