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[nigel5]

Hi,

I try to collect a lot of pics of testing drivers on board their formula one, since 1985 to the years 2000.
If, for the 2000’s years I possess a lot, some pictures of the 80’s and the 90’s are, for the moment, absolutely impossible to find.
Last week, the terrific Felix send me the only picture that I was looking for for most than 11 years. One more time, Thanks a lot Felix Muelas
So, I join a list of test drivers that I am looking for pics of them driving a formula 1 during tests.
In the same time, if someone has informations about this test list, even if I do a mistake, I am open to correct it, because, for some drivers I am only sure at 90% that they really drove a formula 1, even if they were named as test driver.

- Johansson Stefan : Mc Laren (1991 : some tests)
- Aiello Laurent : McLaren Peugeot (1994 : one test ???)
Jordan Peugeot (1994 : one test at Estoril <1'22.12 / 31 laps>)
- Apicella Marco : Lambo 2 Lamborghini (1991 : test driver)
- Brundle Martin : Mc Laren Ford (1983 : one test)
Benetton Renault (1997 : one test)
- Burt Kelvin : Williams Renault (1993 : one test at Paul Ricard)
Tyrrell Yamaha (1993 : one test at Silverstone)
Jordan Hart (1994 : test driver)
- Collard Emmanuel : Williams Renault (1994 : test driver)
Benetton Renault (1995 : test driver)
Ligier Renault (1995 : some tests)
Jordan Peugeot (1995 : some tests)
Tyrrell Yamaha (1996 : test driver)
- Davies Jamie : McLaren Mercedes (1995 : one test)
- De Simone Fabrizio : Arrows (1994 : test driver)
Jordan (1995-96 : some tests)
- Ferté Alain : Renault (1982 : one test)
Larrousse Lamborghini (1989 : one test)
- Ferté Michel : Ligier Ford (1983 : one test)
- Firman Ralph : McLaren Mercedes (1995 : one test)
- Gilbert-Scott Andrew : March Judd (1988-89 : test driver)
- Mc Carthy Perry : Williams Renault (1993 : one test)
Benetton Ford (1992 : one test at Spa)
- Mc Nish Allan : Mc Laren Honda (1990 à 92 : test driver)
Benetton Ford (1993 à 94 : test driver)
Benetton Renault (1996 : test driver ???)
- Moreno Roberto : Ferrari (1989 : test driver)
Mc Laren (1991 : some tests)
- Nissen Kriss : Sauber (1995 : one test)
- Palmer Johnathan : Mc Laren Honda (1990 : test driver)
- Schlesser Jean-Louis : Williams Honda / Judd / Renault ( 1986 à 89 : test driver)
Larrousse Lamborghini (1989 : one test)
- Streiff Philippe : Renault (1982 : one test)
- Wallace Andy : March Judd (1989 à 1990 : some tests)
- Watson John : Jordan Ford (1991 : some tests)
- Wilson Max : Williams Renault (1997 : one test)
Williams Mecachrome (1998 : test driver)
- Zoboli Vittorio : Jordan Hart (1993 ou 1994 : one test)

Thanks
Best regards

[Geza Sury]

This is a very good idea! However, I only have pictures of McNish in the Benetton (1994) and Watson in the Jordan. I'll try to post them tommorrow.

Other examples:


Andrea Montermini: Ferrari (1991 at Imola)


Andrea Montermini: Benetton-Ford (1993)


Johnny Dumfries: Ferrari (1985)


Alex Caffi: Benetton Ford (1987)


Johnny Herbert: Lotus Honda Turbo (1998, Monza)

[mikedeering]

That last shot of Herbert is confusing - 1998?

Why would he be testing a 10-year old Lotus? The team went bust 4 years previously?

Wasn't Johnny a Sauber driver in 1998? Did they not mind him testing other F1 cars?

I think the caption should read 1988!

[Geza Sury]

Originally posted by mikedeering
I think the caption should read 1988!

Yeah, I mistyped it. It's definately 1988.

[Viktor]

John Watson in a Jordan 191, http://www.atlasf1.c...&threadid=52406

/Viktor

[mikedeering]

Anyone got a picture of Martin Donnelly in a Jordan? I think it at the start of 1993, so it may well have been in the 192 rather than the 193.

Also nice easy question - when did Jordan move from numbering their cars "1" following by year prefix and move to EJx prefix?

[Viktor]

Acording to the Jordans homepage the 1999 Jordan was named 199 and the 2000 model was EJ10 (http://www.f1jordan..../statistics.asp).

/Viktor

[Rediscoveryx]

This thread is awesome, keep up the good work!

[Rediscoveryx]

Here's a little contribution, a few more recent pics, some are of official test drivers, others are of one-off's


Sergei Zlobin (Minardi 2002)



Jos Verstappen running in a black Arrows (2000?)



Tomas Scheckter testing for Jaguar (2001)



Takuma Sato, preseason testing (2002)



Takuma Sato BAR (2000?)



Stephane Sarrazin Toyota (2002)



Stephane Sarrazin Prost



David Saelens Minardi (2002)

[Rediscoveryx]

Darren Manning BAR



Patrick Lemarie BAR



Tom Kristensen Williams (1999)



Tom Kristensen testing for Michelin



Narain Karthikeyan Jordan (2001)



Bruno Junquiera Williams (2000)



Bryan Herta Minardi (2002)



Mario Haberfeld Jordan



Oliver Gavin Renault (2002)



Ryo Fukuda BAR (2002)



Dario Franchitti Jaguar (2000?)



Sarah Fisher McLaren (2002)

[Rediscoveryx]

James Courtney Jaguar (2002)



Enrique Bernoldi Sauber (2000)



Olivier Beretta Williams (2003)



Christian Albers Minardi (2001)



Ryan Briscoe Toyota (2002)



Ricardo Zonta Jordan (2001)



Anthony Davidson BAR (2002)



Allan McNish Toyota (2001)



Marc Gene Williams (2002)



Giorgio Pantano Benetton (2000?)



Alexander Wurz McLaren (2002)



Luciano Burti Ferrari (2002)



Olivier Panis BAR (preseason 2001)



Olivier Panis McLaren (2000)



Justin Wilson Jordan (2001)

[shurikus]

1998, Aluizio Coelho, British Formula Renault champion

[nigel5]

Thanks a lot to Geza Sury and Rediscoveryx

[Rediscoveryx]

Originally posted by nigel5
Thanks a lot to Geza Sury and Rediscoveryx

You're welcome


More pictures are welcome, I know Rainer has got a few ;)

[Zawed]

Cool thread, nice to see pictures of "strangers"in F1 cars. I found a pic of Gaston Mazzacane having a test with the Asiatech Arrows, Dec 1st, 2000, on the f1rejects site. So that's my photographic contribution to this thread.

[Rediscoveryx]

Thanks for the contribution Zawed

[nigel5]

A new test driver picture : Jean-Louis Schlesser, 1992, Sauber

http://www.atlasf1.c...&threadid=52603

Thanks Rainer

[Felix Muelas]

Originally posted by nigel5
- Ferté Michel : Ligier Ford (1983 : one test)

;)

[Rediscoveryx]

Great pic Felix

[fines]

... what a wonderful rear wing that is!

[nigel5]

Felix Muelas , you are the best

Wonderfull pic

[Théodore33]

I am still loooking for a long time for pictures of : Allan Mc NISH driving the Benetton and the Mc Laren as test driver, and, Johnathan PALMER driving Mc Laren as test driver.

Does anyone possess some pics of these two test drivers ?

Thanks a lot

[gdecarli]

We have posted pics about test drivers on some different threads: Ultimate TEST DRIVER Thread! (I call it UTD in the list), on Almost Moves -2 (AM), John Watson after 1983 (JW) and on GLAS projet - Lamborghini chassis and Mauro Baldi (GLAS).

Here I post a list of one I recall now, in order to find them more easily:

• UTD - Post #35: 1984: Emerson Fittipaldi (Spirit Hart)
• JW - Post #34: 1985: John Watson (Toleman Hart)
• AM - Post #17: 1985: Emanuele Pirro (Brabham BMW)
• AM - Post #28: 1986: MIke Thackwell (Ram Hart)
• UTD - Post #100: 1986: Giovanna Amati (Benetton BMW)
• UTD - Post #108: 1987: Josele Garza (Brabham BMW)
• UTD - Post #107: 1988: Josele Garza (Minardi)
• AM - Post #17: 1989: Emanuele Pirro (Lola Larrousse Lc89-Lamborghini)
• GLAS - Post #4: 1990: Mauro Baldi (Lambo)
• JW - Post #39: 1990: John Watson (Jordan 191 Ford)

Ciao,
Guido

[Felipe Senna]

Ho-Pin Tung testing the Williams car at Jerez 03



Nelson ângelo Piquet (not jr.) testing at Jerez 03

[Felipe Senna]

Timo Glock at Barcelona 04 (testing the jordan)

[my_own_shadow]

In this thread nigel5 has written that two more drivers (after Giacomelli, of course) did some tests for Leyton House March Team in 1989 - Andrew Gilbert-Scott and Andy Wallace. But what about this photo? I can't say precisely who is this (Gilbert-Scott, Wallace or somebody else)



About Wallace I can say that before March testing he tested Benetton in 1986

[my_own_shadow]

I've done some search and can't say that on the penultimate photo is Andrew Gilbert-Scott or Andy Wallace (because of the red helmet). Maybe some of us know this driver in Newey's March?

[gdecarli]

I was sent by Skabik the following pic (click to enlarge) :



Who was this driver?

This is Tyrrell 011. Official drivers were:

• 1981: Cheever (#3, from Hockehnheim) and Alboreto (#4, from Zandvoort); white car without sponsor
• 1982: Alboreto (#3), Borgudd (#4, only from Kyalami to Long Beach) and Henton (#4, from Imola); blue car, sponsored by Candy (but Skabik told me that at Kyalami and during pre-season test it was white without sponsor)
• 1983: Alboreto (#3), Sullivan (#4); green car, sponsored by Benetton

I made a quick check on helmets of all these drivers, and none of them is similar to one in this photo.

So I think this is a test driver and this photo was taken between Las Vegas 1981 and Kyalami 1982. Is it true? Who was this driver?

Ciao,
Guido

[my_own_shadow]

And don't forget about this photo, please (I mean who is this driver?) Can it be Carlos Guerrero?

[duby]

hi
as Ayrton Senna fun this is his pic in the test with williams in Donington 1983

http://www.amdmodels...ic_fw08c_st.jpg

[fines]

Originally posted by my_own_shadow
And don't forget about this photo, please (I mean who is this driver?) Can it be Carlos Guerrero?

The helmet looks like Johnny Herbert's...

[man]

Nannini with the 1992 Ferrari F92A

http://8w.forix.com/an-f92a.jpg

[man]

Senna 1983, McLaren

http://www.amdmodels...C/r_c/r_23.html

Brundle, 1983 McLaren

http://www.amdmodels...C/r_c/r_23.html

Verstappen, 1993 McLaren

http://members.lycos...nfoto/id265.htm

[my_own_shadow]

Originally posted by fines

The helmet looks like Johnny Herbert's...

Herbet's helmet colours weren't quite like this. So, it must be somebody else.

[gdecarli]

Originally posted by my_own_shadow
In this thread nigel5 has written that two more drivers (after Giacomelli, of course) did some tests for Leyton House March Team in 1989

First of all, I think that this is a March 881, used in 1988 and at beginning of 1989 (Brazil and San Marino; later used as T-car only up to - I think - Canada). In 1988 the body was completely light blue, while new green-blue colours were used for the first time at San Marino 1989.

Just before Monaco GP, Bruno Giacomelli and Gary Brabham tested new CG891 at Pembrey (source: Autosprint 17/1989 page 6). Brabham had a blue helmet, so he is not the driver in your photo during another test on 881.

I checked also all main tests performed by March, but I found that only Capelli and Gugelmin tested and there is no evidence about the test with the old 881. Even Giacomelli seems to be called again only in september, for test CG891 with active suspensions.

Another idea: could he be one of F.3000 Leyton House driver? I know only Mauro Martini in European Championship (in August replaced by Gary Brabham - (source: Autosprint 33-34/1989 page 5)) but I don't know if there were somebody else.

Another idea: Giacomelli raced 24 heurs du Mans 1989 and Djion Cup on a Porsche 962 Kremer sponsored by Leyton House. At Dijion he shered his car with Fouche, at Le Mans one car was driven by Giacomelli - Takahashi - Lavaggi and the second one by Fouche - Sekiya - Okada.
I don't know anything about this team and its relationship with Leyton House, but could "your driver" be one of them?

Ciao,
Guido

[gdecarli]

Originally posted by gdecarli
1982: Alboreto (#3), Borgudd (#4, only from Kyalami to Long Beach) and Henton (#4, from Imola); blue car, sponsored by Candy (but Skabik told me that at Kyalami and during pre-season test it was white without sponsor)

To be more precise, at Kyalami Alboreto's car (#3) was dark blue, while Borgudd's was white. Alboreto had no main sponsor, I think Borgudd as well, but I can see him very small in a front view, so I have no evidence.

Ciao,
Guido

[man]

Does anybody have an image of Lehto testing for Ferrari in 1989? Caffi for Ferrari in 1990? or Dumfries for Ferrari in 1985 (other than the black and white shot)? I would also be interested to know which drivers other than the regular drivers drove the 1987 and 1988 Ferrari's. Did Mansell test the 1988 F1-87/88C in late 1988 afer leaving Williams? Probably not as the team was focused on the 639.

[gdecarli]

Mansell's first test on a Ferrari was on January 5th 1989 at Fiorano, of course on a 639. He set atmospheric new record, 1'08"21. I don't think he never drove old turbo car.

Ciao,
Guido

[man]

Looks like my links for the Brundle/Senna/McLaren/1983 images failed. I'll try again:

Senna

http://www.amdmodels...C/r_c/r_23.html

Brundle
http://www.amdmodels...C/r_c/r_21.html

[man]

Looks like my links for the Brundle/Senna/McLaren/1983 images failed. I'll try again:

Senna

http://www.amdmodels...C/r_c/r_23.html

Brundle
http://www.amdmodels...C/r_c/r_21.html

[AlesiUK]

Originally posted by my_own_shadow
And don't forget about this photo, please (I mean who is this driver?) Can it be Carlos Guerrero?

that pic is wierd,im certain the helmet isnt giacomelli and tho its similar to gilbert-scott's i dont think its him.

More puzzling are the tyres,going by the logo no way are they goodyear eagles which would have been used by march in 88/89 i think?looks like avons which would have been used in f3000 at the time i think?

[AlesiUK]

actually,further to above.Looking at at it im 99.9% certain that it is a pic of someone driving a restored version of the car,possible at a BOSS race or some kind of historic event.

as well as the avon tyres which are pretty much stock for these things,look at the autoglass logo on the side of the car.Autoglass didnt sponsor march in 88 or 89 but did sponsor Leyton house in 1990.However the logo on the side of the car in the pic in question is the modern autoglass logo. in 1990 they had a plain white strip with red writing in that position on the car.



Best i can tell,its the 881 car(going by the airbox) but the color scheme on that was all one color,the liver looks like an attempt at either the 90 or 91 leyton house

[gdecarli]

Originally posted by AlesiUK
Autoglass didnt sponsor march in 88 or 89 but did sponsor Leyton house in 1990.

No, I found a pic taken at Mexico GP 1989 (the fourth one, on May 28th, just after Monaco) that shows Capelli's March with the same colour scheme of the photo we are talking about. (Source: Autosprint #22/1989, pages 20-21).
It was Autoglass' first GP; as I can see on phots taken on previous GP.

In that period there were only three March CG891: chassis #2 was used by Capelli, #3 by Gugelmin, while #1 had a smaller petrol tank and it was used only for tests (Source: Autosprint #22/1989, page 29).

I have no evidence about these "tests", but I think that official drivers stayed in America, as they had 3 GPs in few days (Mexico: May 28th - USA, Phoenix: June 4th - Canada, Montreal: June 18th), so it is possible there were tests in England in those days both with new CG891/1 and with an old 881, both with new livery. Of course, I have no proofs.

As regards car model, I found a similar 881's photo (click to enlarge) :


(Source: Autosprint #40/1988, page 28)

It's Mauricio Gugelmin, on March 881 at Jerez de la Frontera, Spain GP, October 2nd 1988. It's the only photo I found about an 881 with a 'T' airbox and it's funny to notice that it's nearly in the same position as the mysterious photo we are talking about.

Ciao,
Guido

[gdecarli]

Originally posted by man
Does anybody have an image of Lehto testing for Ferrari in 1989? Caffi for Ferrari in 1990? or Dumfries for Ferrari in 1985 (other than the black and white shot)?

I have just uploaded many photos in Ultimate TEST DRIVER Thread!:

• Jean Pierre Jassaud (Renault 1980?)
• Jean Pierre Jarier (Williams 1981)
• Thierry Boutsen (Brabham 1981)
• Mike Thackwell (Williams)
• Johnny Dumfries (Ferrari 1985)
• Paolo Barilla (Toleman TG185? Benetton?)
• Roberto Moreno (Ferrari 1988)
• Martin Donnelly (Lotus 1989)
• Nicola Larini (Ferrari 1989)
• Enrico Bertaggia (Osella 1989)
• Danielsson (Rial 1989)
• JJ Lehto (Ferrari 1989)
• Gianni Morbidelli (Ferrari 1989)

Ciao,
Guido

[AlesiUK]

Originally posted by gdecarli
No, I found a pic taken at Mexico GP 1989 (the fourth one, on May 28th, just after Monaco) that shows Capelli's March with the same colour scheme of the photo we are talking about. (Source: Autosprint #22/1989, pages 20-21).
It was Autoglass' first GP; as I can see on phots taken on previous GP.

In that period there were only three March CG891: chassis #2 was used by Capelli, #3 by Gugelmin, while #1 had a smaller petrol tank and it was used only for tests (Source: Autosprint #22/1989, page 29).

I have no evidence about these "tests", but I think that official drivers stayed in America, as they had 3 GPs in few days (Mexico: May 28th - USA, Phoenix: June 4th - Canada, Montreal: June 18th), so it is possible there were tests in England in those days both with new CG891/1 and with an old 881, both with new livery. Of course, I have no proofs.

As regards car model, I found a similar 881's photo (click to enlarge) :


(Source: Autosprint #40/1988, page 28)

It's Mauricio Gugelmin, on March 881 at Jerez de la Frontera, Spain GP, October 2nd 1988. It's the only photo I found about an 881 with a 'T' airbox and it's funny to notice that it's nearly in the same position as the mysterious photo we are talking about.

Ciao,
Guido

Look at the comparitive colorschemes on the pic u just posted and the mystery pic,they are very different. Also id look again at the pic in autosport,i dont have my autosport collection to hand unfortunately. The Autoglass log in our Mystery pic is a modern logo which im pretty sure was not invented in 1989.


To me this car is definately the 881 car,liveried as as the 89 march,the number on the front wing in our pic is "16" which was the number capelli used in 89 and it was liveried on the wing then as well.i still have my doubts over the autoglass logo,but the biggest single factor that makes me think this is a restored version is still the tyres on the car,using Avon tyres is pretty standard in any historics and i know there was at least 2 march.leyton house cars used in the euroBOSS series over the last 5 or 6 years.

[gdecarli]

Originally posted by AlesiUK
Look at the comparitive colorschemes on the pic u just posted and the mystery pic,they are very different.

No, I think I did't let me understand. I was talking about 2 pics, but I posted only one. I have some problem to scan photos, so when I found the second one I coulndn't scan. So photos were:

• Spain GP 1988
  I posted this pic because the car is nearly equal to the mysterious one: look at 'T' shaped airbox and the body near rear tyres (I don't know English name). March 881 had two differend airboxes and usually they used a more conventional vertical one. This is the only photo (or at least the more recent, as I searched going back from 1989 to 1988) I found with 'T' shaped one.
  
  
• Mexico GP 1989
  This shows a CG891 with nearly the same livery and also Autoglass logo seems the same. I haven't it in my hand, so I can't check better; I will do it on next weekend, when I think I will be able to scan & post it.

Ciao,
Guido

[Nanni Dietrich]

Originally posted by AlesiUK



that pic is wierd,im certain the helmet isnt giacomelli and tho its similar to gilbert-scott's i dont think its him.

Andrew Gilbert-Scott has a white and blue helmet with two red rows on top:
http://www.formula-p...lbertscott6.jpg.

That is not Gilbert-Scott.


Perhaps Paul Belmondo?

[AlesiUK]

Gilbert-scott did have a red and white helmet

http://www.forix.com...00&c=49&p=2&o=1


the helmet is very similar to belmondo,but im pretty sure he didnt test f1 until at least 91,he raced Superpower f3000 in 90and was terrible

[my_own_shadow]

I haven't believed in it, but it is Hideki Noda driving March 881 !!!

[gdecarli]

Originally posted by my_own_shadow
I haven't believed in it, but it is Hideki Noda driving March 881 !!!

I don't know if it's really Hideki Noda or not, but for sure helmets are quite similar:


March 2/3, 2004 - (From Noda's official website, in Japanese - click to open)

Noda's career can be found on Indyracing.com

Ciao,
Guido