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#1 uechtel

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Posted 21 January 2003 - 20:13

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I think the picture shows Ernst Henne at the debut race of the BMW 328, the Eifelrennen at the Nürburgring in 1936, but I have no final confirmation for this.

Can anybody help?

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#2 Mark Ballard

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Posted 21 January 2003 - 20:42

Rainer Simons BMW 328 book has a photo of the start of the 1936 race at the Nurburgring. The car has the No 14 in the same place/font as you pic and has the reg IIA 44851 as does yours. However the race day was rainy (as shown in the pic I have here) and Henne appears to be wearing white overalls. The text says that the practise was 'fine' therfore maybe your pic is taken then .
I will scan the pic when I get the scanner working again.
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#3 Holger Merten

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Posted 21 January 2003 - 20:59

Uechtel, as a not BMW.specialist, I have a link for you.
IIA 44851, mays that helps to identify your picture.


I have another pic with No. 14, but the quality is so bad, that I won't speculate, it shows a start at the Nürburgring with many 328 from 1936 or 1937, but I'm not sure which year it is, may I find more.

#4 uechtel

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Posted 21 January 2003 - 21:18

Rainer Simons BMW 328 book has a photo of the start of the 1936 race at the Nurburgring. The car has the No 14 in the same place/font as you pic and has the reg IIA 44851 as does yours.



Yes, thank you, so we are quite sure about Henne.

Uechtel, as a not BMW.specialist, I have a link for you. IIA 44851, mays that helps to identify your picture.



Indeed the same car, but no text :|

#5 Mark Ballard

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Posted 21 January 2003 - 22:07

As promised (hope it helps)- note the water on the track

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All pics from Rainer Simons book


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#6 uechtel

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Posted 21 January 2003 - 22:39

thank you for that!

Indeed very much the same car and driver as in Holger´s link.

And comparing the number with that of "my" picture I think the "1" is also a little bit different. While it is simply a "l" at the two Eifelrennen / 36 picture, it is much more a true "1" there. So certainly not the same event.

But with that full-width windscreen it must be a picture from 1936/37. So does anybody know about another race in which Henne participated with No. 14? What about the 1936 French GP at Montlhery, would that fit? I don´t have numbers from there, but I know, that Henne wore dark clothes there.

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Posted 21 January 2003 - 23:11

Henne wore no 6 at Monthlery - sharing with Kohlrausch. Fritz Roth & Walter Kautz shared the second prototype (no 8). Aldington drove the 3rd prototype but it was right hand drive so its not him either!

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Posted 21 January 2003 - 23:22

Assuming the number plate wasn't changed the photo is almost probably from 1936 as the text of the book tells of the screen being changed to a two piece screen over the winter of 1936/37. There is a photo of the car at Chimay on 16/May/37 with the 2 piece screen as 'proof'.
The car was also raced in Munich on the 9/Aug/36 driven by Aldington (No 27) and then painted Green and sent to the TT in Ulster on 5/sep/36.

Could the photo be of a test session?

#9 uechtel

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 08:42

Could the photo be of a test session?



Makes no sense IMO. Why placing numbers on it for a test run? And then remove it and then place the same number (but in different letters) on it again?

So if indeed 1936 I still tend towards a "race" picture, perhaps indeed a practise shot.

The reason why I had the Nürburgring in mind is the concrete surface of the track. Where else could that have been?

#10 Holger Merten

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 09:14

Yes Uechtel, the track seems to be the Nürburgring, it's the characteristic structure.

Maybe it's only the point of view of the photographer, so the "1" looks a little bit different?

Also interesting that the car has two number-plates on the front. I found a picture from 1938 (start at the Nürburgring), all 328 with only one number-plate, also No 14.

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 12:35

Ok, I don't have the original pic, but is it possible that the car in the picture is stationary?
Certainly the pic must have been taken at a very fast speed as the holes in the wheels/drums appear to be very well defined. I don't know the source but is it possible that this could be a publicity picture taken well after the event (the number could have been painted over & then repainted for the picture). After all it was a very important win for the car.
The driver certainly seems to be leaning over to the left even though the front wheels are straight.

I have seen a photo of 2 Aston Martins taken in 1935/6 which was meant to be racing at the TT but on closer examination the picture is staged for the publicity department(the tyre treads were stationary).

Probably all wrong but maybe worth consideration?

#12 uechtel

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 12:39

Maybe it's only the point of view of the photographer, so the "1" looks a little bit different?



No, I don´t think so. To me the difference is quite evident.

Also interesting that the car has two number-plates on the front. I found a picture from 1938 (start at the Nürburgring), all 328 with only one number-plate, also No 14.



Of course there were other BMW 328s with number 14 in later events, but this car is clearly 1936-spec, which seems to have not been used from 1937 onward any more.

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 12:42

Ok, I don't have the original pic, but is it possible that the car in the picture is stationary? Certainly the pic must have been taken at a very fast speed as the holes in the wheels/drums appear to be very well defined. I don't know the source but is it possible that this could be a publicity picture taken well after the event (the number could have been painted over & then repainted for the picture). After all it was a very important win for the car.
The driver certainly seems to be leaning over to the left even though the front wheels are straight



Good observing, Mark! Regarding the picture of the NSKK-Roadster in the other thread this could indeed be a possible explanation.

Those BMW seem to invite to manipulations all the time...