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#1 Martin Roessler

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 06:16

Hello there
....a few pictures i have already scanned (sorry for the bad quality)
I know the drivers ,cars and events already but i thought some of you might have fun seeing and researching some facts ....maybe someone has been at one of the races as well and knows a story
about it....
i wonder if somebody knows the motorcycle driver #143 (pic no 15)....
all members of the www.nurburgring.de forum are banned from this quiz ;)


http://eifelracerdow....com/photo.html


http://www.pixum.de/...lbum/?id=509053


some more pics...the first 3 were not taken by my father....they are from a photo album i bought on a fleamarket in germany....1000km 69, 300 miles Hockenheim 69, F1 gp 69 and Jochen rindt show essen 1969....about 140 pictures what a treasure. I might post some more pictures of that album....
enjoy.....cheers Marty

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#2 eldougo

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 08:24

:wave:
Great photos it,s amazing what you find in a feemarket. MARTIN.

1------ J.Siffert cooper maserati --1966
2------ L Bandini ferrari -- 1966
3------J.Hall ---chapperal
4------ ? --ford gt40
5------ J Surtees ferrari p3
6 ----- B McLaren lotusf2?
7 ----- AC Cobera ? (usa)
8------ ford gt40 convertable ? the helmet looks familiar.
9------ Brabham bt 11? ? hope the driver was ok lookat the s/wheel
10-----Porsche ? ranout of fuel!!
11----- " check the red socks .
12----- Lotus 23b ?
13----- J Siffert lotus 49
14----- bike No 143 ? (your dad)!!!!!

MY guess is probably way out at least i try!!!!! :blush:

#3 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 09:57

Wrong hat and wrong colour car for Jo... well, for that Jo...


But there are two up the top... a wrecked Fiat or Fiat Abarth and a Porsche.
Bonnier
Mike Parkes, I think, in the Ferrari.
Phil Hill in the Chaparral
I have no idea about the Ford GT
Maybe that's not Surtees, either, perhaps Bandini?
As for the Lotus, which is not F2... the name's just not coming to me.
And the wreck's not a Brabham.
Olivier Gendebien in the open top Ford... I think
I feel I should know the Cobra, maybe Bondurant?
Not a clue with the orange 906
Jim Clark running away with the 1000km race in the Lotus 23
Siffert in Rob Walker/Jack Durlacher Lotus 49

#4 eldougo

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 11:08

RAY BELL

But there are two up the top... a wrecked Fiat or Fiat Abarth and a Porsche.


:o O DOOORRR I did not even see them -------- thanks Ray

The cooper driver could it be Guy Ligier he looks to thin however
Fiat500 with abarth wheels????
Porsche 308??? i am not good on numbers.
Phil Hill ---- yes
J.Surtees had a strip down the centre of his hat
B. Bondurant----- yes :up:

#5 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 11:30

Bandini also had a stripe over his hat... and his hat was silver. Hard to say, really, but that does look like a peak on the hat too... not very Surtees looking at all.

Don't worry about Ligier, it's Bonner.

The Fiat is an Abarth variant, note the struts holding the engine cover open?

#6 Jeremy Jackson

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 16:00

The #12 Ferrari is the NART Dino 206, not a P3. Since it was driven in 66 by Pedro & Ritchie Ginther, I reckon that's Pedro.

The #10 open Ford GT is being driven by Richard Attwood

The #17 Cooper is JoBo, of course.

#7 Pedro 917

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 17:22

The #12 Ferrari Dino is driven here by Pedro Rodriguez, that's for sure.
The Ferrari #10 is driven by Mike Parkes.
The Ford GT40 "Convertible" is driven by Attwood.
The Porsche is a Carrera 6 and the driver seems to be Udo Schutz

#8 2F-001

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 17:29

I spy 2F-002...

#9 Roger Clark

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 18:46

I hope that somebody identifies the Lotus 25 BRM Quick, before Keir sees it.

#10 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 19:56

It does have a Parnell look about it, doesn't it?

#11 Roger Clark

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 20:52

THe Ford GT (number 140 is Phil Hill or Bruce McLaren in the car's forst race. Almost certainly Hill if it's a race shot as McLaren drove only briefly before retirement.

#12 Doug Nye

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 21:23

The crashed single-seater is fascinating - looks rather broad in the beam but from the look of the suspension is this Bruce McLaren's Cooper after his crash in the 1963 German GP, from which he was retrieved unconscious? Hmmm - interesting picture....

#13 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2003 - 21:34

The roll hoop put me off that one, Doug...

Also, it doesn't appear to be a V8 at all. The car is rather like a 1962-build 1960 car, if you know what I mean. Chubbier than its suspension reckons it should be...

#14 Don Capps

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Posted 26 February 2003 - 04:16

Originally posted by eldougo
:wave:
Great photos it,s amazing what you find in a feemarket. MARTIN.

1------ J.Siffert cooper maserati --1966
2------ L Bandini ferrari -- 1966
3------J.Hall ---chapperal
4------ ? --ford gt40
5------ J Surtees ferrari p3
6 ----- B McLaren lotusf2?
7 ----- AC Cobera ? (usa)
8------ ford gt40 convertable ? the helmet looks familiar.
9------ Brabham bt 11? ? hope the driver was ok lookat the s/wheel
10-----Porsche ? ranout of fuel!!
11----- " check the red socks .
12----- Lotus 23b ?
13----- J Siffert lotus 49
14----- bike No 143 ? (your dad)!!!!!

MY guess is probably way out at least i try!!!!! :blush:


1. Jo Bonnier, Cooper T81 (F1/5/66) - Maserati Tipo 9, 1966
2. Mike Parkes, Ferrari 312( 012), 1966
3. Phil Hill, Chaparral 2F (002) - Chevrolet, 1967
4. Phil Hill/ Bruce McLaren, Ford GT40 (102), 1964
5. Pedro Rodriguez, Ferrari Dino 206S (008), 1966
6. Chris Amon, Parnell Lotus 25 (R&) BRM P56, 1965
7. It is very possible that Doug is correct that this is the Cooper (F1/4/63) that Bruce McLaren wrote off during the 1963 GP, but....
8. John Whitmore/ Richard Attwood, Ford GT40 Roadster (112), 1965
9. Bob Bondurant, Shelby American Cobra (CSX ), practice hack, 1965
10/11. If from 1966, probably the Porsche 906 Carrera 6 (121) of Udo Schutz & Gunther Klass
12. Jim Clark, Lotus 23 - Ford, 1962
13. Seppi Siffert, Lotus 49 (R7) - Ford DFV
14. Too many options.... Either in the early '50s before the 'dustbin bodies' arrived in GP or a local event at about any time up to the mid-60s....

#15 Roger Clark

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Posted 26 February 2003 - 12:21

Regarding the crashed single seater: the car in the picture has rear radius arms which the 1963 Cooper didn't have. Also the shape of the tail looks wrong; the Cooper was cut off over the gearbox with a small spoiler. The shape of the tail looks most like a Mk3 Lola

#16 eldougo

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Posted 27 February 2003 - 08:23

:D

FROM DON CAPPS.

6. Chris Amon, Parnell Lotus 25 (R&) BRM P56, 1965

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I just can,t see that it is AMON ,it got to be BRUCE MC. :up:

#17 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 February 2003 - 08:28

No, it's not Bruce McLaren... he never wore a helmet that colour at all.

Nor did he drive a 25/33...

I've still got a notion it's not Chris Amon, however... when are we going to get the answers anyway?

#18 David McKinney

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Posted 27 February 2003 - 12:34

Whoever it is, he's wearing Chris's helmet and driving Chris's car....

#19 Don Capps

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Posted 27 February 2003 - 14:02

Originally posted by eldougo
:D

FROM DON CAPPS.

6. Chris Amon, Parnell Lotus 25 (R&) BRM P56, 1965

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I just can,t see that it is AMON ,it got to be BRUCE MC. :up:


As David says, it certainly is not Bruce McLaren! I couldn't recall if it was R3 or R7 that Amon was driving, but probably R7.

As for the picture of Bob Bondurant taken during practice for the 1965 1000 Km race, the chassis no. for that Cobra seems to not be recorded anywhere I've looked. There is a choice of several to choose from, but I couldn't find anything definitely identifying it -- I didn't do an 'exhaustive' search, but none of the Usual Sources mentioned the chassis number.

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#20 Roger Clark

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Posted 27 February 2003 - 18:36

Originally posted by Don Capps


As David says, it certainly is not Bruce McLaren! I couldn't recall if it was R3 or R7 that Amon was driving, but probably R7.


Or R8 if you believe Theme Lotus! I think it was R7.

#21 eldougo

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 08:42

David McKinney Whoever it is, he's wearing Chris's helmet and driving Chris's car....
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I still believe it,s Bruce McLAREN---- If you look at the photo he has foam behind his back
to position himself better because it,s not his CAR ,my guess it was in private practice. :up:

#22 David McKinney

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 10:31

I see your point, eldougo
It does look a bit like B McL, but more like Chris, I think.
The padding could be because Chris is in Hailwood's car?

#23 eldougo

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Posted 02 March 2003 - 09:57

:)
WHERE KEIR when you need him ---- what,s your thoughts no this photo Forza Amon. :up:
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:cat: :eek: :

#24 Roger Clark

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Posted 02 March 2003 - 10:05

Amon was to have driven Ian Raby's Brabham BRM but took over Innes Ireland's Parnell Lotus at short notice, when the Scot's father died. I guess the padding could have been because the cockpit was tailored for Ireland.

#25 Martin Roessler

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Posted 04 March 2003 - 00:09

Here is what i found out:

1. Fiat Abarth 1000 Berlina
GP Touringcars 1965 Klaus Steinmetz(racing chief Abarth)/Guiseppe Virgilio

2.Porsche 718 GTR
1000km 1962 Bonnier/Gurney ,retired lap 42

3.Cooper Maserati
Jo Bonnier,GP Germany 1966, retired lap 4 clutch

4.Ferrari 312
Mike Parkes,GP Germany,crash lap 10

5.Chapparal 2F (2F-002) Phil Hill/Mike Spence
1000km 1967 retired

6.Ford GT 40 McLaren/Hill
1000km 1964, retired lap 15

7.Ferrari 206 Dino/carb.(008) Rodriguez/Ginther
1000km 1966, Nart Racing

8.Lotus BRM ,Chris Amon
GP Germany 1965,Reg Parnell racing,retired lap 10 ignition
It's definately his helmet...have seen it in the Amon thread but thats all i can say....

9.Lola 1000ccm Formula junior
29.04.1962 Nuerburgring/southloop !
H.A.Staussberg,driver badly injured
Fitzwilliam racing team

10.Ford GT 40 ,Ford advanced vehicles
Attwood/Whitmore
1000km 1965
must be one of two convert. later destroyed at the Targa Florio

11.Ford Cobra ,Bob Bondurant/Patrick McNally
1000km 1965 haven't found heaps of information about that car.I have slides of 3 or 4 more
cobra's at the Ring with mysterious numbers.They all do not appear in the racing programs i
have but the pics seem to be taken at the same event.

12.Porsche Carrera 906, Racing Team Holland
Ben Pon
1000km 1966
not quite sure about that one....but this my father wrote this information next to the pic in his
fotoalbum.

13.Lotus 23
Jim Clark/Trevor Taylor, 1000km 1962 retired lap 11

14.Lotus 49b Team Rob Walker,Jo Siffert
GP Germany 1968
retired lap 7

15. My dad ,Malchus Spezial 125 ccm
1957

#26 Don Capps

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Posted 04 March 2003 - 00:42

Originally posted by Martin Roessler
Here is what i found out:


11.Ford Cobra ,Bob Bondurant/Patrick McNally
1000km 1965 haven't found heaps of information about that car.I have slides of 3 or 4 more
cobra's at the Ring with mysterious numbers.They all do not appear in the racing programs i
have but the pics seem to be taken at the same event.


As I pointed out, this was the "mule" or practice "hack" that those on the Shelby team used during practice for the race. Perhpas the other pictures are were taken during practice as well.

#27 eldougo

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Posted 04 March 2003 - 05:04

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( quote) El dougo.

14----- bike No 143 ? (your dad)!!!!!HOW WAS THAT FOR A GUESS ---------
MARTIN Great quiz maybe some more oneday .
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OK I BELIEVE YOU it,s ----------- FORZA AMON. :up:

#28 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 March 2003 - 08:27

Indeed... and some more news...

On a thread in the Paddock Club somebody mentioned an adaptor to scan slides with a normal scanner sold by Innovations! I'll be looking out for their catalogue, but it's unlikely to be very dear coming from them... and of course, it doesn't have any of the hi-tech stuff in it, that's all in the scanner itself.