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#1 Brun

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 14:14

Found them in the BMW archives...

BMWs and Auto Unions from the NSKK teams all lined up for the Führer, who will open the 1939 IAA (International Auto Fair) in Berlin:
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George Meier, not at the same event, but still smiling:
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#2 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 14:24

And a Mercedes behind the AUs ....

#3 Brun

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 14:32

Seems I subconsciously tend to block out everything Mercedes from my perception :lol:

By the way, Vitesse, is it me or are we online at the same time, today?

#4 Gary Davies

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 14:35

Fascinating pictures .... with the enemy (W154?) bringing up the rear.

(Edit 30 secs later ... quick draw Vitesse Zwei too quick for me :drunk: )

#5 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 14:36

Pretty much, but I now have to go to work :(

#6 Brun

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 15:19

Another one, as a favour to Racer.Demon :)

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Prague, 1970.

#7 anjakub

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 17:34

Once more MTX 1-01 (in action)

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#8 Holger Merten

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 17:45

Brun great pictures, we AU fans have to look on AU No. 10. This is more or less a Typ C, but not a hillclimber. And not a car from1937, with this front. And it's not an interim Typ D with a modified Typ C body. But what is it? The last Typ C before the war?

#9 oldtimer

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 19:35

Originally posted by Vanwall
Fascinating pictures .... with the enemy (W154?) bringing up the rear.

(Edit 30 secs later ... quick draw Vitesse Zwei too quick for me :drunk: )


No, a 1937 W125 MB. I wonder why.

And couldn't the number 10 AU be a '37 GP car?

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 20:46

Originally posted by Holger Merten
Brun great pictures, we AU fans have to look on AU No. 10. This is more or less a Typ C, but not a hillclimber. And not a car from1937, with this front. And it's not an interim Typ D with a modified Typ C body. But what is it? The last Typ C before the war?


Holger, the 1937 cars didn't all have the same front. The one Rosemeyer drove at the Eifelrennen looked identical to the one in this picture. I believe it's either a 1937 Typ C or the first 1938 hillclimber, yet without the double rear wheels.

#11 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 22:04

Originally posted by oldtimer


No, a 1937 W125 MB. I wonder why.


Looks like a display of German racing might through the years - out of shot are probably a W154, W163 and W25, maybe a W165 or SSKL? Note that the AUs at least are numbered, presumably corresponding to programme numbers for the parade, so that spectators could identify the cars.

And just imagine the NOISE! Four AUs, four BMWs, at least four Mercedes, plus who knows what else, echoing off the walls of a city street ..... even idling it would be awesome!

#12 Doug Nye

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 22:50

On one of these Berlin Show-opening jamborees in the city streets the irrepressible Rosemeyer covered himself in glory by flooring the throttle to spin his Auto Union's rear wheels and promptly lost the lot, instead spinning like a top down the middle of the strasse. He resumed, laughing like a drain amidst cheering crowds. Not surprising they loved him, is it?

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 23:02

God, folks, stop, this is unbearable - just having to think about all those engines sounding in unison or about burnouts in an AU - it's almost erotic :drunk: :stoned:

Allright, back on me two feet again. Just thinking aloud: since they filmed every Führer's fart in those days, shouldn't there be footage in some archive of events like these?

#14 oldtimer

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Posted 28 February 2003 - 23:08

Originally posted by Vitesse2


Looks like a display of German racing might through the years - out of shot are probably a W154, W163 and W25, maybe a W165 or SSKL?


A W163? Here we go again! :)

Re Rosemeyer spinning the Type C: wasn't the huge torque of the 16 cylinder engine beyond the capabilities of the rear suspension/tyre combination?

#15 Holger Merten

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Posted 01 March 2003 - 05:01

Originally posted by Brun


Holger, the 1937 cars didn't all have the same front. The one Rosemeyer drove at the Eifelrennen looked identical to the one in this picture. I believe it's either a 1937 Typ C or the first 1938 hillclimber, yet without the double rear wheels.


A hillclimber? :confused:

With the streamlined bodywork arround the axles?


Another try:
9: Nuvolari
10: Stuck
11: Meier
12: Müller

#16 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 March 2003 - 05:10

I'd think anything like a bit of throttle from any of them on this wet strasse would result in a spin... intentional or otherwise.

Hope someone goes through those fuhrer archives for the film...

#17 Brun

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Posted 01 March 2003 - 10:20

Originally posted by Holger Merten


A hillclimber? :confused:

With the streamlined bodywork arround the axles?


Another try:
9: Nuvolari
10: Stuck
11: Meier
12: Müller


Jawohl, check page 153 in Kirchberg's book. Could be it, if they had taken the double wheels off.

#18 Holger Merten

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Posted 08 March 2003 - 20:58

Originally posted by Brun


Jawohl, check page 153 in Kirchberg's book. Could be it, if they had taken the double wheels off.


Brun, after a week of skiing in the swiss alps with nice weather and the best sort of snow, I checked, and I'm impressed.

AU used the aerodynamic optimized body for hillclimbings? But only at the Grossglockner. I found somne pictures of the 1939 event, where Müller started with an Typ C with that optimized body. Must have to do with the special track of the Grossglockner. A flat start.... and afterwards a hillclimb? I don't know? Or just the AU situation, they only had those bodies?