June 10th 1957
#1
Posted 03 March 2003 - 23:03
This raises several questions:
1. Who built the Cooper-Porsche
2. Was it a bobtail sports car or was it a Formula 2 car?
3. Did Stirling Moss ever drive it or race it?
4. Would Moss take a month off in mid-season without a race?
Can anybody shed any light?
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#2
Posted 03 March 2003 - 23:49
I know of one Cooper-Porsche, listed in the book "Porsche Specials", though maybe there were more than one:
"Frequently to be seen in South Africa in the mid-1950s was a Cooper chassis with a Porsche 1500 S engine. With this car, Ian Frazer-Jones recorded a number of wins in important races. Of the original Cooper, only the nose remained unmodified."
Extracted form "Porsche Specials", by Lothar Boschen and Jürgen Barth.
2) This was a Formula car, nor a bobtail sports.
Carles.
#3
Posted 04 March 2003 - 00:07
#4
Posted 04 March 2003 - 00:11
From Autosport June 14, 1957
#5
Posted 04 March 2003 - 00:14
#6
Posted 04 March 2003 - 02:05
#7
Posted 04 March 2003 - 05:57
However, when Porsche in Germany got wind of it- it was quite a bit quicker than the 550- they convinced Von Neuman he shouldn't race it any more if he wanted to continue selling Porsches and VWs. Then they sent him an RSK.
At least, that's the legend here in SoCal.
Anton
#8
Posted 05 March 2003 - 17:06
Your von Neumann story is partially true. Porsche did put pressure on, but there's no way under American law they could have pulled the distributorship. The VN Pooper was run at the end of 1956, long before the RSK existed, so that wasn't its replacement. The VN team returned to its original spyders and simply updated them to keep them competitive.
#9
Posted 05 March 2003 - 20:42
Originally posted by Vitesse2
...No mention of Moss being at the Palace in the meeting report in Motor Sport, but there is a picture of Archie in MVE303, numbered 63. I don't have "Archie and the Listers": does that tie in with the photo you mention?
Sorry for the intermezzo, but here goes the picture, Richard
Looks like they BOTH were there...;)
#10
Posted 05 March 2003 - 20:52
Originally posted by D-Type
4. Would Moss take a month off in mid-season without a race?
Can anybody shed any light?
If you look at Moss' 1957 racing record it is clear that he drove fewer cars than he did in other years. Apart from the MG record braking runs in august, he restricted himself to Formula 1 and championship sprotcar races until after the Italian Grand Prix. Is it possible that his Vanwall contract restricted his driving in other events? If it did, Vandervell must have been even more annoyed that he injured himself water skiiing.
It is also possible that he was occupied with preparations for his wedding, building a house in Nassau, and opening a hamburger restaurant.
#11
Posted 05 March 2003 - 22:03
SM had rationed his racing appearances - he was deeply involved timewise with his first wife Katie -he did go water skiing on the Riviera, shipped an excess of sea water at high pressure up his nose, contracted sinusitis and then missed the year's French GP at Rouen too. There was also the troubling time he was having with Maserati - the brake pedal assembly which had snapped off in the Mille Miglia, the spanner which was left lying in the engine, tangled with the throttle return springs at Le Mans...
DCN
#12
Posted 05 March 2003 - 22:13
How different would Rouen have been had he been there?
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Edited by Ray Bell, 02 August 2019 - 22:21.
#13
Posted 05 March 2003 - 22:25
Originally posted by Roger Clark
If you look at Moss' 1957 racing record it is clear that he drove fewer cars than he did in other years. Apart from the MG record braking runs in august, he restricted himself to Formula 1 and championship sprotcar races until after the Italian Grand Prix. Is it possible that his Vanwall contract restricted his driving in other events? If it did, Vandervell must have been even more annoyed that he injured himself water skiiing.
It is also possible that he was occupied with preparations for his wedding, building a house in Nassau, and opening a hamburger restaurant.
Well, GAV might have been a bit annoyed, but as DSJ/CP point out, under the terms of his contract, Moss actually forfeited quite a lot of money for missing those two races for Vanwall. And of course it meant that Stuart Lewis-Evans got a chance to greatly impress the old man, which he did superbly. Lewis-Evans got a Vanwall contract out of it and GAV completed his all-British team.
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Had he been my son I'd have bundled him into the boat with Fox, and kept him well away from those dangerous aeroplanes and racing cars.