F1 Variomatic project?
#1
Posted 16 March 2003 - 17:25
Anyone recall anything? I have seen posted various F3 projects, but never seen a F1 before.
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#2
Posted 16 March 2003 - 17:41
"Experimental continuous variable transmission (CVT) set-up by Van Doorne Transmissie (VDT) on championship-winning car bridged gap to late-sixties F3 and FJ efforts by Van Doorne's Automobiel Fabriek, better known to the world as DAF. The CVT paired to a Renault V10 constantly revving at its peak led to spectacular test times by David Coulthard, after which CVT was quickly and silently banned from Grand Prix racing in 1994, much in the fashion as six-wheeled racers had been banned by the FIA after worryingly fast test times by a Williams... "
It was referring to the Williams VDT FW15C project. There was a programme on TV a week or two ago that mentioned the Coulthard car.
The DAF car:
Read all about it:- http://www.ritzsite....AF_cars_p17.htm
#3
Posted 16 March 2003 - 19:53
We had a thread a long time ago on the DAF F3 effort...
#4
Posted 16 March 2003 - 21:23
#5
Posted 16 March 2003 - 23:32
#6
Posted 16 March 2003 - 23:51
Originally posted by fines
I believe the first pic is a standard DAF F3 racer, the Brabham copy. The second appears to be the Tecno/DAF, don't think I've seen one before.
I think you're right on the Tecno Michael, but surely the first picture is the Alexis Mk 6 that they used before the Chequered Flag built the Brabham copies?
I like the tiger-striped bike too. Is there an Esso connection there somewhere?
#7
Posted 17 March 2003 - 01:50
Originally posted by Geoff E
It was referring to the Williams VDT FW15C project. There was a programme on TV a week or two ago that mentioned the Coulthard car.
There was some footage of DC testing the car on the programme - it was kind of surreal listening to a car just rev right up to the sweet spot and keep going with no gear changes.
pete
#8
Posted 17 March 2003 - 14:01
Originally posted by Vitesse2
I think you're right on the Tecno Michael, but surely the first picture is the Alexis Mk 6 that they used before the Chequered Flag built the Brabham copies?
I like the tiger-striped bike too. Is there an Esso connection there somewhere?
I think Michael is right on the first picture, as the Alexis had a very distinctive radiator grille.
Alexis - DAF:
More pics:
http://www.rallydaf.nl/DAF%20F3.html
#9
Posted 17 March 2003 - 15:41
I don't read Dutch, but did they perhaps have some sort of overheating problem?
#10
Posted 17 March 2003 - 17:17
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Posted 17 March 2003 - 17:36
#12
Posted 17 March 2003 - 17:47
The first picture is either a Brabham, or an extremely close copy. It has the little NACA duct ahead of the windscreen, and the top and bottom wishbones are identical to those on a BT21 I used to own.
#13
Posted 17 March 2003 - 17:53
Originally posted by Cirrus
Those "cut off" ugly noses were quite common at Monaco. They were intended to reduce the chance of body damage at the hairpins.
I've read that before (only on a forum), but I don't see how a long nose could possibly hit something that the wheel was going to miss. Look at the pic in the second post in this thread and try to imagine such an event - I can't. I'm sure the short noses were to aid cooling air flow with the slower speeds of Monaco.
#14
Posted 18 March 2003 - 00:44
I did many happy miles in a DAF 55, and worked for Volvo during the latter stages of 340 Auto imports, but received wisdom was that CVT didn't work well with "big" engines; certainly, the largest road engine I know of with this transmission was the afore mentioned Volvo with 1400cc.
I'd also be interested to find out how well it worked at low engine speeds. There is a certain technique in getting a CVT 'off the line' with any great speed, largely due to the fact that this system attempts to find the highest ratio as quickly as possible, which means that from a standstill (or exiting a low speed corner), just booting it doesn't get you very far. I found the best way, was to floor the throttle and just as the revs reached their peak, back off slightly and then floor it again. I would have thought that this was all a bit much under racing conditions, although the earlier post mentioning "Spectacular test times" from DC, suggests that they found a way round this.
As an aside, this transmission works the same in reverse as forwards - 300+ kph backwards anybody?!
#15
Posted 18 March 2003 - 02:32
* few years back VW had VR6 engines with 245Nm and 190BHP, and 235Nm and 175BHP.
#16
Posted 18 March 2003 - 08:01
#17
Posted 18 March 2003 - 09:24
I have been driving and was driven around in CVT cars since 1975/1976. You get used to the decoupling of engine speed and wheel speed. And I find it adictive. Don't want anything else anymore. Manual gear shift is so late 1800's. ;-)
#18
Posted 26 January 2004 - 00:39
#19
Posted 26 January 2004 - 01:52
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#20
Posted 26 January 2004 - 10:02
DAF Club Nederland
DAF Preservation Society
Anyway, strange that I neglected to post the link to this article here...
#21
Posted 26 January 2004 - 13:24
The Alexis and one Brabham are on view at the Daf museum in Eindhoven. The Brabham was also kindly on loan by the Van Doorne family at schools and meetings during the years.
One Tecno is supposed to be in the living room of Mr. Koch, race engineer at the time.
When I visited Van Doorne Transmissies (VDT) in the early nineties, we got to see accidentally what seemed like an F1 car under wraps. Also an American car was sitting in this garage. Obvious for us that VDT had some interesting projects in store. Sorry bout the rule change.
Reading your interesting article Demon, makes me wonder how many F3 chassis Daf used. One Alexis, two Brab's, one Gemini, two Tecno's = 7??
And what about the story that Daf produced one or two Brabham chassis in license?
#22
Posted 26 January 2004 - 14:11
#23
Posted 26 January 2004 - 15:46