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#1 schuy

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 11:59

Hello,

I have just gone through a book of mine which has results from each race from 1950-1997, and came across a driver by the name of Julio Eglesias, who raced in the Argentinian GP in 1955.

Is this the same Julio as the world-renkown singer?

Liran.

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#2 petefenelon

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 12:32

Originally posted by schuy
Hello,

I have just gone through a book of mine which has results from each race from 1950-1997, and came across a driver by the name of Julio Eglesias, who raced in the Argentinian GP in 1955.

Is this the same Julio as the world-renkown singer?

Liran.


Unlikely, since the singer's called Iglesias, would not have been old enough to drive then, and in any case his sport was football (sometime reserve goalie for Real Madrid, IIRC).

pete

#3 Geoff E

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 12:34

"Julio Iglesias (born September 23, 1943) is Spain's best selling singer
in history"

#4 schuy

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 13:28

Thanks guys, would have been fun... :

BTW, I am sorry, I made a spelling error, the driver's name was Iglesias as well.(He was born in 1922).

#5 Geoff E

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 13:58

You will be surprised (but pleased :p ) to know that Julio Iglesias (the singer) finished fourth in a 1970 European Grand Prix. :drunk: http://www.geocities...63/LIST1970.HTM

#6 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 14:17

Yeah - but look who won. IRELAND IRELAND IRELAND.

#7 Geza Sury

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 14:18

Originally posted by schuy
BTW, I am sorry, I made a spelling error, the driver's name was Iglesias as well.(He was born in 1922).

Exactly. His name was not JULIO, but JESUS Iglesias. (Full name: Jesus Ricardo Iglesias)

#8 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 14:44

I remember a picture of Iglesias (the singer) posing alongside an early 1980's Grid (or Rondeau) group C car, with his name in large letters on the side of the car.

Jesper O. Hansen

#9 David McKinney

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 17:55

Jesus Ricardo Iglesias, who raced in the 1955 Argentine Grand Prix, was one of the leading Argentinian Mecanica Nacional drivers throughout the '50s, with many wins to his credit
He gained fame of a different sort a few years later when he got in the way of one of the leading contenders in the non-championship Buenos Aires GP - Moss in 1960, IIRC

#10 petefenelon

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 18:00

Originally posted by Eric McLoughlin
Yeah - but look who won. IRELAND IRELAND IRELAND.


Robert McGregor Innes of that ilk?

#11 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 18:18

Originally posted by Geza Sury

Exactly. His name was not JULIO, but JESUS Iglesias. (Full name: Jesus Ricardo Iglesias)



David Holland said something recently that his name was actually neither Jesus Ricardo or Julio but Jose, IIRC.
and does anyone other historian think a birthdate of 2/2/22 is a bit suspicious? :)

#12 Rob29

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 18:53

Originally posted by petefenelon


Robert McGregor Innes of that ilk?

No Pete,if you click on the link,you will discover it refers to what we call the Eurovision Song Contest! Won in 1970 by Dana from Rep of Ireland-not to be confused with Dana International who won for Israel more recently.

#13 Joe Fan

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 19:22

Another error that slipped by the proofreaders. Julio Iglesias, Grand Prix driver: "To all the Gordini I've crashed before..."

#14 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 19:33

That would only happen When they begin the Grand Prix, wouldn't it?

#15 kober

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 20:00

I believe the singer was well respected soccer goalkeeper.

#16 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 20:21

...and scored well after ending his football career...

#17 Geoff E

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 20:53

Originally posted by kober
I believe the singer was well respected soccer goalkeeper.


"The Latin crooner's first love was football, and he was already a successful goal-keeper for top Spanish team Real Madrid when a horrific car injury ended his sporting aspirations when he was 19. Semi-paralyzed, he feared he might never walk again."

#18 petefenelon

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 21:07

Originally posted by Rob29
No Pete,if you click on the link,you will discover it refers to what we call the Eurovision Song Contest! Won in 1970 by Dana from Rep of Ireland-not to be confused with Dana International who won for Israel more recently.


Well, Innes loved wine and women - I'm sure he was OK at song too.;)
(perhaps I should've stuck a :p on my previous posting...)

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 21:54

Sorry to be boring, but here's some more Jésus Iglésias data for anyone interested.

He was Argentine Champion in the Fuerza Libre class in 1952, 1956, 1958 and 1959. His first title win was particularly noteworthy, as his mount that year was an underpowered car with which he had won the 1951 national Fuerza Limitada title.

Started 1947 in Fomenta Limitada.
First successes came two years later, racing his Plymouth special against the likes of J F González, Onofre Marimón, Benedicto Campos and Alberto Crespo. His wins included:
•Nueve de Julio 18/9/49
•Premio Carlos Trincavelli (Pergamino) 18/6/50*
•Premio Armstrong 25/6/50*
•Parque Sarmiento race (Córdoba) 12/11/50
•Premio Domingo Marimon (Capilla del Monte) 18/2/51*
•Bahia Blanca 1951
•Circuito Emilio Córdoba (San Nicolás) 15/5/52
•Entre Rios Libre race 17/8/52
•Rio Cuarto race (Córdoba) 21/12/52
*Fuerza Limitada races

Finally moved into the top Mecanica Nacional class in 1955 with a six-cylinder Wayne-equipped Chevrolet special, and won the following:
•Buenos Aires Feb 1955
•Parque Sarmiento race (Córdoba) 1955
•Premio Ciudad de Marcos Juárez 9/9/56
•Sunchales 20/7/57
•GP Ciudad de Buenos Aires 1/3/59
•Rio Cuarto race (Córdoba) 26/7/59
•San Jorge 12/10/59
•Las Flores 9/11/59
•Junín December 1959
•Premio Vendimia 6/3/60

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#20 schuy

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 22:09

[QUOTE]Originally posted by petefenelon


Well, Innes loved wine and women - I'm sure he was OK at song too.;)
(perhaps I should've stuck a :p on my previous posting...)
[/QUOTE

BTW, you know Dana International is not actually a woman?

#21 petefenelon

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 22:10

[QUOTE]Originally posted by schuy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by petefenelon


Well, Innes loved wine and women - I'm sure he was OK at song too.;)
(perhaps I should've stuck a :p on my previous posting...)
[/QUOTE

BTW, you know Dana International is not actually a woman?
[/QUOTE]


What, he's Bob Cowell?

#22 Rob29

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 09:06

Originally posted by petefenelon



What, he's Bob Cowell?

No,but your on the right track.Both had sex change operations,so are now legally women. Actually 'Dana International' is one of the most beautiful women I have seen,whilst the original subject of this thread is one of the ugliest men.

#23 Felix Muelas

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 13:04

Originally posted by David McKinney
Sorry to be boring, but here's some more Jésus Iglésias data for anyone interested.


Thank you, David. :wave:

As of your remark of how boring race statistics might look when compared to gossip about transexuals and about my compatriote Julio Iglesias' songs and other bedtime "pasatiempos", please allow me to keep my comments to myself. After all, in these troubled times, my comments might not sound too patriotic at this stage... :lol:

Please keep it boring, David. I, for one, was interested in those results and never had access to them well listed and organized. ;)

un abrazo
Felix

#24 Vitesse2

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 13:12

Originally posted by Felix Muelas

Please keep it boring, David. I, for one, was interested in those results and never had access to them well listed and organized. ;)

un abrazo
Felix


For a horrible moment there Felix, I thought you were referring to the list of Eurovision winners ..... :eek:

#25 Felix Muelas

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 14:44

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually, to be honest, Richard, I have found those results -the Eurovision ones- also well listed and organized :rotfl:
:p
Felix

#26 Jimmy Piget

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 22:13

David,
How the hell did you succeed to gather these Mecánica Nacional & Fuerza libre results, when my few Argentine pen-pals could not ? Amazing !
I'd really love to be bored again if you do not mind sending other race results...
For the moment being, following is what I get (picked up here and there in various web sites and including the results you provided above) :

1947
• Argentine mecánica nacional (champion not available)
GP de Otoño (RA) Buenos Aires-Retiro (Feb 9) Mario Chiozza (own Mercury preparado)
GP Brosutti (RA) Rosario-Independencia (Mar 1) Juan Manuel Fangio (own Negrita / Chevrolet)
Necochea (RA) las Playas (Apr 6) Clemar Bucci (own Cadillac preparado)
Premio Vendimía (RA) Mendoza ciudad (Apr 20) Clemar Bucci (own Cadillac preparado)
Rafaela 500 (RA) San Francisco pequeño (Sep 7) Pablo Gulle (own Bugatti / Ford)
GP Primavera (RA) Mar del Plata-Playa Grande (Sep 20) Juan Manuel Fangio (own Volpi / Chevrolet)
Rafaela (RA) San Francisco ? (? / ?)

1948
• Argentine mecánica nacional (champion not available)
GP de Otoño (RA) Buenos Aires-Palermo (Mar 21) Juan Manuel Fangio (own Volpi / Chevrolet)
Mendoza (RA) ciudad (Apr 18) Alfredo Pián (own Ford preparado)
Mercedes (RA) (May 2) Juan Manuel Fangio (own Volpi / Chevrolet)
Rafaela 500 (RA) San Francisco pequeño (Sep 19) Luis Brosutti (own Mercedes-Benz preparado)
Rafaela (RA) San Francisco pequeño ? (? / ?)

1949
• Argentine mecánica nacional (champion not available)
Premio Jean-Pierre Wimille (RA) Buenos Aires-Palermo (Feb 19) Juan Manuel Fangio (own Volpi / Chevrolet)
Premio Fraile Muerto (RA) Bell Ville (Mar 20) Juan Manuel Fangio (own Volpi / Chevrolet)
Mendoza (RA) ciudad (Apr 3) Pablo Gulle (own Bugatti / Ford)
Nueve de Julio (RA) (Sep 18) Jesús Iglesias (own Plymouth preparado)
Rafaela 500 (RA) San Francisco pequeño (Oct 22) José Fanto (own Mercedes-Benz preparado)
Rafaela (RA) road ? (? / ?)

1950
• Argentine mecánica nacional (champion not available)
Córdoba (RA) Sarmiento (Nov 12) Jesús Iglesias (own Plymouth preparado)
Rafaela (RA) road ? (? / ?)

1951
• Argentine mecánica nacional (champion not available)
Rafaela 500 (RA) San Francisco pequeño (Oct 14) José Fanto (own Mercedes-Benz preparado)
Rafaela (RA) San Francisco pequeño ? (? / ?)
Salta (RA) Pablo Birger (own Ford preparado)
Bahía Blanca (RA) Jesús Iglesias (own Plymouth preparado)

1952
• Argentine mecánica nacional championship (1st Jesús Iglesias)
El Cumbre (RA) Pablo Birger (own Ford preparado)
Buenos Aires (RA) (Mar 9) Pablo Birger (own Ford preparado)
Buenos Aires (RA) (Mar 16) Alberto Crespo (own Alfa-Romeo preparado)
Circuito Emilio Córdoba (RA) San Nicolás (May 15) Jesús Iglesias (own Plymouth preparado)
Premio Entre Ríos (RA) Paraná Urquiza (Aug 17) Jesús Iglesias (own Plymouth preparado)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo ? (? / ?)
Rafaela (RA) autódromo ? (? / ?)
Río Cuarto (RA) Córdoba Sarmiento (Dec 21) Jesús Iglesias (own Plymouth preparado)

1953
• Argentine mecánica nacional (champion not available)
Premio Eva Perón (RA) Buenos Aires (Aug 8) « Eymart » (own Gordini / Simca 1100 u.s.)
Premio Primavera (RA) Buenos Aires (Sep 26) « Eymart » (own Gordini / Simca 1100 u.s.)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo ? (? / ?)
Rafaela (RA) autódromo ? (? / ?)

1954
• Argentine mecánica nacional (champion not available)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo (May ) Roberto Bonomi (own Ferrari SP)
IV Centenário (BR) Interlagos (Nov 28) — class Eugênio Martins (own Maserati / Jaguar)
Rafaela (RA) autódromo (?) Pablo Birger (own Ford preparado)

1955
• Argentine mecánica nacional (champion not available)
Buenos Aires (RA) (Feb ) Jesús Iglesias (own Wayne / Chevrolet)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo (May 29) Alberto Rodríguez Larreta (own Ferrari SP)
Córdoba (RA) Sarmiento Jesús Iglesias (own Wayne / Chevrolet)
Rafaela (RA) autódromo ? (? / ?)

1956 — Campeonato argentino fuerza libre (1st Jesús Iglesias)
Interlagos (BR) (May ) — class Eugênio Martins (own Maserati / Jaguar)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo (Jul 26) Carlos Najurieta (own Ferrari ex-F 1)
Premio Ciudad de Marcos Juárez (RA) (Sep 9) Jesús Iglesias (own Wayne / Chevrolet)
GP Fangio (ROU) Montevideo-El Pinar (Oct 14) Asdrúbal Fontes Bayardo (own Maserati / Chevrolet)

1957 — Campeonato argentino fuerza libre (1st Gastón Helvecio, own Plymouth preparado, wins not available) — Campeonado brasileiro (1st Camilo João Christófaro, own Alfa-Romeo / Chevrolet, wins not available)
Interlagos (BR) (Apr ) Ramón Requejo (own ? / Chevrolet)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo (May 12) ? (? / ?)
Sunchales (RA) (Jul 20) Jesús Iglesias (own Wayne / Chevrolet)
Interlagos 500 (BR) (Sep 7) Celso Lara Barbéris (Tubularte Ferrari / Chevrolet)
Interlagos (BR) (Nov ) Asdrúbal Fontes Bayardo (own Maserati / Chevrolet)
Premio Vendimía (RA) Mendoza ciudad Eduardo Copello (own Cadillac preparado)

1958 — Campeonato argentino fuerza libre (1st Jesús Iglesias, own Wayne / Chevrolet, wins not available) — Campeonado brasileiro (1st Fritz d'Orey) — n° indicates 58-59 Torneio Triangular round
Barra da Tijuca (BR) Chico Landi (Tubularte Ferrari / Chevrolet)
Interlagos 500 (BR) (Aug ) Fritz d'Orey (Tubularte Ferrari / Chevrolet)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo (Sep 14) Froilán González (own Ferrari / Chevrolet)
1. Interlagos (BR) (Nov 30) Froilán González (own Ferrari / Chevrolet)

1959 — Campeonato argentino fuerza libre (1st Jesús Iglesias) — Campeonado brasileiro (1st Camilo João Christófaro) — n° indicate 58-59 Torneio Triangular rounds (1st Froilán González)
2. Montevideo (ROU) El Pinar (Jan 11) ? (? / ?)
3. Buenos Aires (RA) (Mar 1) Jesús Iglesias (own Wayne / Chevrolet)
Río Cuarto (RA) Córdoba Sarmiento (Jul 26) Jesús Iglesias (own Wayne / Chevrolet)
Interlagos 500 (BR) Celso Lara Barbéris (own Maserati)
Pirajuí (BR) Camilo João Christófaro (own Alfa-Romeo / Chevrolet)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo (Sep ) Froilán González (own Ferrari / Chevrolet)
San Jorge (RA) (Oct 12) Jesús Iglesias (own Wayne / Chevrolet)
Las Flores (RA) (Nov 9) Jesús Iglesias (own Wayne / Chevrolet)
Junín (RA) (Dec ) Jesús Iglesias (own Wayne / Chevrolet)

1960 — Campeonado brasileiro (1st Camilo João Christófaro, own Alfa-Romeo / Chevrolet, wins not available) — Campeonato argentino fuerza libre (1st Gastón Helvecio, own Plymouth preparado, wins not available) — n° indicates Torneio Triangular rounds (1st Froilán González)
Premio Vendimía (RA) Mendoza ciudad (Mar 6) Jesús Iglesias (own Wayne / Chevrolet)
1. Interlagos (BR) Ciro Cayres (own Maserati / Chevrolet)
2. Buenos Aires (RA) Froilán González (own Ferrari / Chevrolet)
3. Montevideo (ROU) El Pinar (May 15) Froilán González (own Ferrari / Chevrolet)
Interlagos 500 (BR) Celso Lara Barbéris (own Maserati)
Brasília (BR) Ciro Cayres (own Maserati / Chevrolet)
Campeonado Paulista (BR) Interlagos Ciro Cayres (own Maserati / Chevrolet)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo ? (? / ?)

1961 — Argentina formula is now named Mecánica Nacional Fórmula Uno (champion not available)
Interlagos (BR) (Jan 14) Ciro Cayres (own Maserati / Chevrolet)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo (Oct 6) Hugo Galaverna (own Wayne / Chevrolet)

1962 — Campeonato argentino (1st Ramón Requejo)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo (Sep 2) Ramón Requejo (own ? / Chevrolet)
Interlagos 500 (BR) Roberto Galucci (own Maserati / Chevrolet)

1963 — Campeonato argentino (1st Násif Estéfano, own Wayne / Chevrolet, wins not available)
Interlagos 500 (BR) (Sep 7) Roberto Galucci (own Maserati / Chevrolet)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo (Sep 8) Vicente Cipolatti (own Wayne / Chevrolet)

1964 — Campeonato argentino (1st Andrea Viannini, car / engine not available, wins not available)
Prêmio John Kennedy (BR) Interlagos Roberto Galucci (own Maserati / Chevrolet)
Rafaela (RA) autódromo Domingo Di Santo ( ? / ?)

1965 — no campeonato argentino
Interlagos (BR) (Oct) Camilo João Christófaro (own Maserati / Chevrolet)
Rafaela (RA) autódromo ? (? / ?)

1966 — Campeonato argentino (1st Vicente Cipolatti, car / engine not available, wins not available)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo ? ( ? / ?)

1967 — Campeonato argentino (1st Ramón Requejo, car / engine not available, wins not available)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo ? ( ? / ?)

1968 — Campeonato argentino (1st Eduardo Copello, Berta Cooper / Torino, wins not available)
Buenos Aires (RA) Jorge Ternengo (Horacio Steven ? / ?)
Córdoba (RA) Alta Gracía ? ( ? / ?)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo (Oct ) ? ( ? / ?)

1969 — Campeonato argentino (1st Jorge Ternengo)
San Rafael (RA) Jorge Ternengo (works Berta / Tornado)
Río Cuarto (RA) Jorge Ternengo (works Berta / Tornado)
Mendoza (RA) Jorge Ternengo (works Berta / Tornado)
Buenos Aires (RA) (Jun ) Násif Estéfano ( ? / Tornado)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo Jorge Ternengo (Peña Rueda Bravi / Tornado)

1970 — Campeonato argentino (1st Emilio Bertollini, own Berta / Tornado, wins not available)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo Néstor García-Veiga ( ? / ?)

1971 — Campeonato argentino (1st Jorge Cupeiro)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo Jorge Cupeiro ( ? / Chevrolet)

1972 — Campeonato argentino (1st Ángel Rubén Monguzzi)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo Ángel Rubén Monguzzi ( ? / ?)

1973 — Campeonato argentino (1st Néstor García Veiga)
5 wins (RA) Néstor García Veiga (works Berta / Tornado)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo ? ( ? / ?)

1974 — Campeonato argentino (1st Luis Di Palma)
9 wins (RA) Luis Di Palma (works Berta / Tornado)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo ? ( ? / ?)
2 rounds (RA) ? ( ? / ?)

1975 — No champion elected, only 3 races run
? (RA) Luis Di Palma ( ? / ?)
? (RA) Néstor García Veiga ( ? / ?)
? (RA) ? ( ? / ?)

1976 — Campeonato argentino (1st Pedro Passadore, own Pianetto / Dodge, wins not available)
Rafaela 500 (RA) autódromo Luis Di Palma ( ? / ?)

1977 — Campeonato argentino (1st Pedro Passadore, own Pianetto / Dodge, wins not available)

1978 — Campeonato argentino (1st Luis Di Palma, own Pianetto / Dodge, wins not available)

1979 — Campeonato argentino (1st Jorge Omar Del Río, works Pianetto / ?, wins not available)

• 1966-1979 MAF1 partial statistics :
Luis Di Palma (22) — Ángel Rubén Monguzzi (9) — etc.

Mecánica Nacional Argentina — fuerza limitada
1947
Buenos Aires (RA) Retiro (Feb 9) Edison Hortal (own Plymouth preparado)
Rafaela (RA) San Francisco (Feb 9) ? (? / ?)

1948-1949 — No information

1950
Premio Carlos Trincavelli (RA) Pergamino (Jun 18) Jesús Iglesias (own Plymouth preparado)
Premio Armstrong (RA) (Jun 25) Jesús Iglesias (own Plymouth preparado)

1951 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Jesús Iglesias)
Premio Domingo Marimón (RA) Capilla del Monte (Feb 18) Jesús Iglesias (own Plymouth preparado)

1952 & after — No information

Mecánica Argentina Fórmula 2
up to 1500 cc ?

1968 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Pablo Brea, car / engine not available, wins not available)

1969 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Carlos Reutemann)
10 wins (RA) Carlos Reutemann (own De Tomaso / Fiat)
2 races (RA) ? ( ? / ?)

1970 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Osvaldo Bessia, car / engine not available, wins not available)

1971 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Osvaldo Bessia, car / engine not available, wins not available)

1972 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Cocho López, works Martos / Peugeot, wins not available)

1973 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Carlos Jarque, car / engine not available, wins not available)

1974 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Jorge de Amorrortu, car / engine not available, wins not available)

1975 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Miguel Ángel Guerra, car / engine not available, wins not available)

1976 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Miguel Ángel Guerra, car / engine not available, wins not available)

1977 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Miguel Ángel Guerra, car / engine not available, wins not available)

1978 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Agustín Beamonte, works Berta / Fiat, wins not available)

1979 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Miguel Ángel De Guidi, works Berta / Volkswagen [= Dodge], wins not available)
6 wins 1979-1980 (RA) Luis Di Palma (Di Palma Berta / Volkswagen [= Dodge])

1980 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Guillermo Maldonado, Di Palma Berta / Volkswagen [= Dodge], wins not available)

1981 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Alberto Scarazzini, car / engine not available, wins not available)
? (RA) Guillermo Maldonado (Di Palma Berta / Volkswagen [= Dodge])

1982 — Campeonato Argentino (1st Guillermo Maldonado, Di Palma Berta / Volkswagen [= Dodge], wins not available)

Too much gaps isn't it ?

#27 David McKinney

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Posted 22 March 2003 - 18:17

My principal sources are Roberto Lorenzo's Medio Siglo de Automovilismo Argentina which goes up to about 1953, then Alfredo Parga's four-volume Historia Deportiva del Automovilsmo Argentino, plus occasional reports in foreign (to Argentina) magazines and, like you, data from correspondents in Argentina.
I'm sure I could fill in some gaps for you, but it would be a huge task, and I don't quite know when I might find the necessary time.
I will however try to provide at least the champions each year

#28 David McKinney

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Posted 23 March 2003 - 09:27

Mecanica Nacional in Argentina dates back to before WW2, when the first attempts were made to distinguish between imported GP cars, or Coches Especiales, and locally-made one-offs.
Separate races for Fomenta Limitada, originally for cars using Ford Model T parts, were held in the 1930s, and a national championship instituted in 1940. The senior MN class, Fuerza Libre, did not get its own championship until 1949. This became Formula 1 in 1962.
A separate Model T championship was in place by 1954, and ran until at least 1960, and a small-car category called “Minijunior” was introduced a little later, with a championship from 1965; this became Formula 4 in 1968.
The first Formula 2 championship was run in 1969, with Formula Renault and Formula 3 appearing later

Fuerza Libre champions
1949: Jose Fantó (Mercedes-Benz)
1950: Hector Niemitz (Chrysler)
1951: Alberto Crespo (Alfa Romeo)
1952: Jésus Iglésias (Plymouth)
1953: Alfredo Pián (Ford V8)
1954: Alfredo Pián (Ford V8)
1955: Alfredo Pián (Ford V8)
1956: Jésus Iglésias (Chevrolet)
1957: Ramón Requejo (Chevrolet)
1958: Jésus Iglésias (Chevrolet)
1959: Jésus Iglésias (Chevrolet)
1960: Ramón Requejo (Chevrolet)
1961: Hugo Galaverna (Chevrolet)

Formula 1 champions
1962: Ramón Requejo (Requejo-Corvette)
1963: Nasif Estéfano (Chevrolet)
1964: Nasif Estéfano (Chevrolet)
1965 - no award
1966: Vicente Cipolatti (Chevrolet)
1967: Ramón Requejo (Chevrolet)
1968: Eduardo Copello (Cooper-Tornado)
1969: Jorge Ternengo (Berta-Tornado)
1970: Emilio Bertollini (Berta-Tornado)
1971: Jorge Cupeiro (Tornado Sprint)
1972: Angel Rubén Monguzzi (Painetto-Dodge)
1973: Néstor Garcia Veiga (Chevrolet)
1974: Rubén Luis Di Palma (Berta-Tornado)
1975 - no award
1976: Pedro Passadore (Painetto-Dodge)
1977: Pedro Passadore (Painetto-Dodge)
1978: Rubén Luis Di Palma (Berta-Tornado)
1979: Jorge O Del Rio (Painetto-Dodge)

#29 David McKinney

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Posted 23 March 2003 - 09:32

Fuerza Limitada champions
1940: Alfredo Pián (Ford T)
1941: Alfredo Pián (Ford T)
1947: Ramón Mazzutti (Chevrolet)
1948: Juan Tamborini (Willys)
1949: Alfredo Pián (Ford T)
1950: Alberto Crespo (Plymouth)
1951: Jésus Iglésias (Plymouth)
1952: Omar Fuentes (Ford A)
1953: Remigio Caldara (Ford T)
1954: Enrique Sticone
1955: Enrique Sticone (Plymouth)
1956: Helvecio Enrico (Plymouth)
1957: Omar Fuentes
1958: Enrique Sticone
1959: Enrique Sticone (Plymouth)
1960: Helvecio Enrico
1961: Orlando Blas Sotro (Ford T)
1962: Roque Laborito (Ford T)
1963: Orlando Blas Sotro (Ford T)
1964: Humberto Rubén Thomas (Ford T)
1965: Abel Thomas (Ford T)
1966: Santiago Herrero (Ford B)
1967: Alfredo F Coronel (Ford T)
1968: Alfredo F Coronel (Ford T)
1969: Alfredo F Coronel (Ford T)
1970: Alfredo F Coronel (Ford T)
1971: Alfredo F Coronel (Ford T)
1972: Raúl C Guagliano (Ford T)
1973: Héctor Rosso (Ford T)
1974: Héctor Benito (Ford T)

Ford T champions
1954: Luis Porporato
1955: Hugo Galaverna
1956: Hugo Galaverna
1957: R Jubany
1958: Hugo Galaverna
1959: Orlando Blas Sotro
1960: E Solian

#30 David McKinney

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Posted 23 March 2003 - 09:35

Minijunior champions
1965: Roberto Galluzzi (NSU special)
1966: Jorge Kissling (Crespi-BMW)
1967: Carlos Ragno (Crespi-BMW)

Formula 4 champions
1968: Carlos Ferrea (Crespi-BMW)
1969: Carlos Ragno (Crespi-Renault)
1970: Juan Pablo Laskac (Crespi-Renault)
1971: Juan Pablo Laskac (Crespi-Renault)
1972: Carlos Alberto Jarque (Crespi-Renault)
1973: Jorge de Amorrutu (Crespi-Renault)
1974: Miguel Angel Guerra (Crespi-Renault)
1975: Miguel Angel Guerra (Crespi-Renault)
1976: Héctor De Rossi (Crespi-Renault)
1977: Juan J Reybet (Crespi-Renault)
1978: Eliseo Salazar (Avante-Renault)
1979: Gustavo Sommi (Crespi-Renault)
1980: Victor Rosso (Crespi-Renault)
1981: Carlos Lauricella (Crespi-Renault)

Formula 2 champions
1969: Carlos Reutemann
1970: Carlos Luis Barragán
1971: Osvaldo Bessia (Brabham-Fiat)
1972: Osvaldo López (Martos-Peugeot)
1973: Carlos Alberto Jarque (Lotus-Renault)
1974: Jorge de Amorrutu (Crespi-Fiat)
1975: Miguel Angel Guerra (Lotus-Renault)
1976: Miguel Angel Guerra (Lotus-Renault)
1977: Miguel Angel Guerra (Lotus-Renault)
1978: Augustin Beamonte (Berta-Fiat)
1979: Miguel A Deguidi (Berta-Dodge)
1980: Guillermo Maldonado (Berta-Dodge)
1981: Alberto Scarazzini (Berta-Dodge)
1982: Guillermo Maldonado (Berta-Dodge)

Formula 2 Codasur
1983: Guillermo Maldonado (Berta-VW)
1984: Guillermo Maldonado (Berta-VW)
1985: Guillermo Maldonado (Berta-VW)
1986: Guillermo Maldonado (Berta-VW)

Formula 2 Nacional
1987: Gabriel Massai (Berta-VW)
1988: Gabriel Massai (Berta-VW)
1989: Gabriel Massai (Berta-VW)
1990: Gabriel Massai (Berta-VW)
1991: Gabriel Massai (Berta-VW)
1992: Gabriel Massai (Berta-VW)

Formula Renault
1982: Roberto Urretavizcaya (Crespi)
1983: Nestor Gurini (Crespi)
1984: Nestor Gurini (Crespi)
1985: Miguel Etchegaray (Berta)
1986: Nestor Furlan (Crespi)
1987: Daniel Neviani (Crespi)
1988: Luis Belloso (Crespi)
1989: Sergio Solmi (Crespi)
1990: Omar Martinez (Crespi)
1991: Omar Martinez (Crespi)
1992: Norberto Della Santina (Crespi)
1993: Juan Manuel Silva
1994: Guillermo Di Gracinti (Crespi)
1995: Brian Smith (Crespi)

Formula Super Renault
1994: Juan Manuel Basco (Berta)

Formula 3 Sudamericana
1987: Leonel Friedrich (Berta-VW)
1988: Juan Giacchio (Dallara-Alfa Romeo)
1989: Néstor Furlan (Dallara-Alfa Romeo)
1990: Christian Fittipaldi (Reynard-Alfa Romeo)
1991: Alfonso Giaffone (Ralt-VW)
1992: Marcos Gueiros (?-VW)
1993: Fernando Croceri
1994: Néstor Furlan (Dallara-Fiat)
1995: Ricardo Zonta (Dallara-Mugen)

#31 David McKinney

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Posted 23 March 2003 - 09:39

Mecanica Nacional in Argentina dates back to before WW2, when the first attempts were made to distinguish between imported GP cars, or Coches Especiales, and locally-made one-offs.
Separate races for Fomenta Limitada, originally for cars using Ford Model T parts, were held in the 1930s, and a national championship instituted in 1940. The senior MN class, Fuerza Libre, did not get its own championship until 1949. This became Formula 1 in 1962.
A separate Model T championship was in place by 1954, and ran until at least 1960, and a small-car category called “Minijunior” was introduced a little later, with a championship from 1965; this became Formula 4 in 1968.
The first Formula 2 championship was run in 1969, with Formula Renault and Formula 3 appearing later

Fuerza Libre champions
1949: Jose Fantó (Mercedes-Benz)
1950: Hector Niemitz (Chrysler)
1951: Alberto Crespo (Alfa Romeo)
1952: Jésus Iglésias (Plymouth)
1953: Alfredo Pián (Ford V8)
1954: Alfredo Pián (Ford V8)
1955: Alfredo Pián (Ford V8)
1956: Jésus Iglésias (Chevrolet)
1957: Ramón Requejo (Chevrolet)
1958: Jésus Iglésias (Chevrolet)
1959: Jésus Iglésias (Chevrolet)
1960: Ramón Requejo (Chevrolet)
1961: Hugo Galaverna (Chevrolet)

Formula 1 champions
1962: Ramón Requejo (Requejo-Corvette)
1963: Nasif Estéfano (Chevrolet)
1964: Nasif Estéfano (Chevrolet)
1965 - no award
1966: Vicente Cipolatti (Chevrolet)
1967: Ramón Requejo (Chevrolet)
1968: Eduardo Copello (Cooper-Tornado)
1969: Jorge Ternengo (Berta-Tornado)
1970: Emilio Bertollini (Berta-Tornado)
1971: Jorge Cupeiro (Tornado Sprint)
1972: Angel Rubén Monguzzi (Painetto-Dodge)
1973: Néstor Garcia Veiga (Chevrolet)
1974: Rubén Luis Di Palma (Berta-Tornado)
1975 - no award
1976: Pedro Passadore (Painetto-Dodge)
1977: Pedro Passadore (Painetto-Dodge)
1978: Rubén Luis Di Palma (Berta-Tornado)
1979: Jorge O Del Rio (Painetto-Dodge)

#32 Rob29

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Posted 23 March 2003 - 10:32

Mention of penpals reminded me that I had one in the 70s,but lost contact about the time of the Fawklands War. Was Tony Watson now Argentine correspondent for Autosport Mag. Found a pile of paper in my store room,in a bit of a mess and mainly about F4 which Tony did.
F1 Concordia-2 Apr 72
1-Di Palma Berta-T
2-Pla Trueno-C
3-Reqejo Martos-C
4-Bianchi Crespo-F
5 Carubia Bravi-T
6 Sancho Bravi-T
7-E.Alonso Crespi-T
8 Favre Cenci-C
9 Cuvertino Ditulio-C
10 R.Sotro Sotro-F

34th Rafaela 500 Miles-7 May 72
1-Monguzzi Pianeito-Dodge
2-Prono Bravi-Tornado
3-Pla Trueno-Chev
4-Almeida Albisu-Dodge
5-Sancho Bravi-Chev
6-'Andrea' Crespi-Tornado
7-Cuvertino Ditullio-Chev
8-Bianchi Crespo-Ford
9-Andreeita Rico-Chev
10-Di Palma Berta-Tornado
Lap record; Mauricio Garcia 235.142 kph.

#33 Rob29

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Posted 23 March 2003 - 10:52

F1 Comodoro Rivadavia

1-Favre Cenci-C
2-Pla Trueno-C
3-Requejo Marton-C
4-Andreeita Rico-C
5-Di Palma Berta-T
6-R.Sotro Sotro-F
7-E.Alonso Crespi-T
8-J.Ternenco Berta-T
9-Almeida Pascuiti-D
10-Prono Bravi-T

F1-Las Flores 4 Jun 72

1-Monguzzi Pianeito-D
2-Garcia Trueno-C
3-Bianchi Crespo-F
4-Prono Bravi-T
5 Requejo Martos-C
6 Almeida Albizu-D
7-E.Alonso 'Andrea' Crespi-T
8- Pla Trueno-C
9-Bertolini Berta-T

F1 Parana 9 Jul 72

1-Monguzzi Pianeito-D
2-Di Palma Berta-T
3-Requejo Martos-C
4-Pla Trueno-C
5-E.Alonso Crespi-T
6-Prono Bravi-T
7-Bertocini Berta-T
8-Bianchi Crespo-F
9 O.Sotro Sotro-F

#34 Rob29

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Posted 23 March 2003 - 11:38

Entry list for F1 race BA autodrome circuit #9-15laps-20 Oct 74

#2 Luis Ruben Di Palma
3 Jorge Bianchi
4 Angel Monguzzi
5 Mauricio Garcia
6 Jorge Ternengo
8 Victor Hugo Pla
10 Ruben Bulla
11 Daniel Sancho
12 Omar Del Rio
15 Orlando Sotro
24 Raul Guagliano
25 Daniel Favre
32 Enzo Salas
33 Carlos Marincovich
47 Miguel A. Di Tulio
50 Mario Mazzoy
85 Jorge De Amorrortu


Also on supporting TC list one Juan C Iglesias.

#35 Jimmy Piget

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Posted 23 March 2003 - 22:47

Pretty effort, David & Rob, and thanks for it.

But... What ?... Ford Ts in the '1960s & '1970s ????
Or could these cars be Tornados ? Touring cars ?

#36 Rob29

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Posted 24 March 2003 - 09:10

More RA F1 info ex Antonio Watson:

1970 entries;

Team Drivers(s) Chassis Motor

Dodge Bordeu Pianetto Dodge
Formisano Pairetti For-Mar Ford
General Motors Garcia Vega Steven Chevrolet
" Requejo Requejo "
" Pla Bravi "
Pronallo(Ford ) Ternengo Bravi Ford
Competicion Monguzzi Steven Chevrolet
Copello Bertolini Bravi Tornado
Berta Di Palma Berta Tornado
Albizu Cuvertino Albizu-Avante Dodge
R.Joseph Marito Garcia Benamo-Medina Chevrolet
O.Sotro Sotro Sotro Ford

ugh,why does Atlas F1 not like spacing?

Premio 'Apertura' 28 Feb 1970-BA circuit #9-15laps

1st-Omar Cuvertino Abizu-Dodge 25m 12.3
2nd Juan Manuel Bordeu Pianetto-Dodge 25-19.5
3rd Ramon Requejo Requejo-Chev 25-26.3
4th Emilo Bertolini Bravi-T 25-26.6
5th Omar Almeida Pianetto-Ford 26-02.2
6th Victor Pla Bravi-Chev 26-11.4
7th Miguel Barragan Rafaela-Fiat F2 26-11.6
FL; Cuvertino 1-28.1

#37 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 March 2003 - 00:20

Originally posted by Jimmy Piget
But... What ?... Ford Ts in the '1960s & '1970s ????
Or could these cars be Tornados ? Touring cars ?


Yeah, that appealed to me too...

T-models I've only ever seen on vintage car days and at Historic race meetings... even wrecks in paddocks are a very rare thing, and have been for all of my life. People must lead much more sensible lives in South America...

The F-Libre listings look exciting too... any information, for instance, about the Plymouth Iglesias drove?

#38 Jimmy Piget

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Posted 25 March 2003 - 05:41

At this link, there is the story of a home-made engine who carried Remigio Caldara to the 'fuerza limitada" 1953 title :

www.lavozdelinterior.com/2002/0105/suplementos/ automotores/nota75682_1.htm

BTW, David, do you know the specifications for this category (i.e. some kind of engine limitations) ?

#39 David McKinney

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Posted 25 March 2003 - 06:38

Sorry, Jimmy and Ray
Can't help much with any technical matters
I do believe however that for some time at least the 'limitada' class was restricted to cars with four-cylinder engines

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