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#301 Giraffe

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 16:54

With a more modern vehicle yes, but not in this particular case.


This is a very modern vehicle Rob!

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#302 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 17:35

I'm a real hypocrite about number plates - I hate the witless efforts you see around the UK (step forward GAZ and BAZ), but then again I bought a couple of 5 character registrations for my motorcycles to avoid having to fix plates the size of estate agent signs to my dainty Italian bikes.

Anyway, to the point. I saw J1CKX on a car near Lightwater the other day, and all was forgiven...fabulous. Trouble was, it was a nondescript Euro box, not a GT40 or somesuch.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 17:42

This is a very modern vehicle Rob!


Another illusion shattered. From that front view, I fondly imagined it might have been the real thing, those plates are of course illegal on several counts on a modern vehicle.


#304 BRG

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 20:14

Judging from the size of the lettering, they would be illegal on an older vehicle too.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 15:23

Driving through Sevenoaks today, I saw CS1 on a Range Rover.

I remember that registration number being used by Chris Sclater on his Escort rally cars in the seventies so I assume he has parted company with it or (looking at the driver of the Range Rover) had a sex change.

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#306 RS2000

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 22:36

Driving through Sevenoaks today, I saw CS1 on a Range Rover.
I remember that registration number being used by Chris Sclater on his Escort rally cars in the seventies so I assume he has parted company with it or (looking at the driver of the Range Rover) had a sex change.
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Wasn't CS1 Clark and Simpson's number then? I think Chris Sclater only drove a David Sutton (C&S) car once and retained the ex-Boreham works reg nos on all his own Escorts. Mike Hibbert was probably seen most in (the red) CS1.
If Chris Sclater now has CS1 on a Range Rover, the B&B business must be doing OK! I wonder if I would recognise his wife now if driving it (Sally Kemsley, unmissable then, daughter of Jack, "father" of the RAC Rally in its greatest days).


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Posted 08 September 2011 - 12:05

Wasn't CS1 Clark and Simpson's number then? I think Chris Sclater only drove a David Sutton (C&S) car once and retained the ex-Boreham works reg nos on all his own Escorts. Mike Hibbert was probably seen most in (the red) CS1.
If Chris Sclater now has CS1 on a Range Rover, the B&B business must be doing OK! I wonder if I would recognise his wife now if driving it (Sally Kemsley, unmissable then, daughter of Jack, "father" of the RAC Rally in its greatest days).


Oh dear, there goes my memory again, I really should have remembered that fact, thanks for the correction RS2000 and Mike was every bit as quick in the car as CS was in his! It is quite possible that there is no motor sport connection now that the number resides in the most expensive part of Kent.

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#308 Vitesse2

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 20:00

Spotted cruising round Bath today - an Aston Martin Vantage with the plate JAB 8A arranged to read JABBA. The driver didn't look very Hutt-like though.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 22:08

Anyway, to the point. I saw J1CKX on a car near Lightwater the other day, and all was forgiven...fabulous. Trouble was, it was a nondescript Euro box, not a GT40 or somesuch.


IIRC '1CKX' used to be on an MG B GT that could often be seen near Hanger Straight during meetings like the Silverstone 6 hours back in the late 70's and early 80's.


#310 Stephen W

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:14

IIRC '1CKX' used to be on an MG B GT that could often be seen near Hanger Straight during meetings like the Silverstone 6 hours back in the late 70's and early 80's.


I believe that the owner of this plate previously had an MG Midget as I recall seeing a Midget with that plate en route to Silverstone.

#311 alansart

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:52

Spotted at Mosport Park in 1985. This meeting was the debut of the TWR Jags in the World Sports Car Championship.

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#312 terry mcgrath

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:08

I have western Australian plate [XJC] on my jaguar XJC
I have western Australian plate [Eventer] on my Lynx Eventer an XJS shooting brake
I have western Australian plate [XK150] on my jaguar XK150 "Tour de France" Fixed Head Coupe
I have western Australian plate [HK500] on my Facel Vega HK500
and if it was quick and simple to post pics on this site I would do so
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the best plate I have seen is [Real One] on peter briggs genuine 427 AC cobra!

#313 DampMongoose

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 17:02

Peter Alliss the commentator has had 'PUT 3' on his Bentley for years... in tribute to his woeful performances near the end of his career with the putter!

#314 Paul Hurdsfield

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 18:40

I couldn't think of anywhere else to put this, it may not be famous, but I thought it was interesting.
Spotted in Monterey on my recent USA holiday.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 19:37

I couldn't think of anywhere else to put this, it may not be famous, but I thought it was interesting.
Spotted in Monterey on my recent USA holiday.


Make mine a Rooisbos please, I wonder who has 'PIECEOFCAKE' ? :rotfl:

#316 Geoff E

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 21:58

While following BU53 BEE this morning, FA57 JAG came the other way.

#317 johnthebridge

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:18

Saw T1P OF on a 4x4 crew cab the other day


Rather late in the day I'm afraid, but were you never tempted with HAM 15H?
Anyone remember the John Britten dealership racing Spridgets, SS 1800 and BR1 10 (hah!)?
What was the number that RR press/road test cars carried for years?

In the dim and distant, I've had, and disposed of for no financial gain (can't stand the things)-
327 MMM
PAW 21
DB 123
2 FLY
SYL 429

Ouch!

Edited by johnthebridge, 06 August 2012 - 10:01.


#318 AJB

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 16:12

What was the number that RR press/road test cars carried for years?

1800 TU?

#319 D-Type

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 18:44

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What was the number that RR press/road test cars carried for years?
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I don't know. But I do know it was not RR1. When Freddie Laker launched the BUA VC10 service to East , Central and (I think) South Africa in the sixties, by flying a VC10 freighter to several major potential customer centres, it carried a Rolls Royce demonstrator as a crowd puller and to demonstrate the plane's carrying capacity. This was numbered RR1 - but this had been Freddie's idea and he had supplied the plates and they were fitted on board the plane and removed before the car was returned to Rolls Royce in Britain.

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#320 johnthebridge

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 06:26

1800 TU?

Yep, that's the one. Thanks.

#321 D-Type

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 17:15

Can I revive this to try and sort out the Ecurie Ecosse cars. From Graham Gauld's Ecurie Ecosse history I have:

C-Types
JWS 353, XKC 006 - Ian Stewart and later David Murray
MVC 630, XKC 046 - James Scott Douglas
KSF 181, XKC 041 - Jimmy Stewart
KSF 182, XKC 042 - Ninian Sanderson

ex-works Lightweight C-Types
LSF 420, XKC 051 - 1953 Le Mans winner as a works car
LFS 671, XKC 053
LFS 672, XKC 052

production D-Types
MWS 301, XKD 501 - 1956 Le Mans winner
MWS 302, XKD 502
MWS 303, XKD 561

ex-works 'long nose' cars
RSF 301, XKD 606 - 1957 Le Mans winner
RSF 302, XKD 504
RSF 303, XKD 603 - believed to be the Le Mans winner by the American who bought a car built up from XKD 603 and parts of XKD 602 from Ecurie Ecosse

Listers
341 SG, BHL 104
RSF 301, BHL 109 - originally the Monza single seater, rebuilt as a sports car in 1959 also used the recycled RSF 301 number before the Tojeiro

Tojeiro-Jaguars (chassis not numbered)
7 GNO - car raced in 1958
RSF 301 - 1959 car recycling the RSF 301 number after the Lister

So, that's the first question: was RSF 301 officially transferred and registered with DVLA?
And the second one is more confusing. At Le Mans in 1957 the two long nose cars carried what are reported to be trade plates:
XKD 606 carried 341SG and XKD 603 carried 376SG. This is feasible on the assumption that it took time for Ecurie Ecosse to register them. But to muddy the waters further, black and white photos show the numbers as white letters on a dark (red or black) background and trade plates were red letters on a white background - or at least 774 RW was when carried by the factory cars in 1953 to 1956.

Does anyone know the full story?


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Edited by D-Type, 28 November 2012 - 17:45.


#322 Allan Lupton

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 18:25

So, that's the first question: was RSF 301 officially transferred and registered with DVLA?
And the second one is more confusing. At Le Mans in 1957 the two long nose cars carried what are reported to be trade plates:
XKD 606 carried 341 SG and XKD 603 376 SG. this is feasible on the assumption that it took time for Ecurie Ecosse to register them. But to muddy the waters further, black and white photos show the numbers as white letters on a dark (ged or black) background and trade pltes were red letters on a black background - or at least 774 was when carried by the factory cars in 1953 to 1956.

Does anyone know the full story?

Matters of general fact:
No DVLC in those days, so all they had to do was nip to the Edinburgh Council offices to get the number transferred, if indeed they did.
Trade plates were General (white on red) and Restricted (red on white) and it was always a bit controversial that 774RW was a Restricted number and was being used outside the Restictions:

Edited by Allan Lupton, 20 August 2012 - 18:26.


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 14:21

This may well have previously been the subject of discussion here on this thread, and I wonder if the rather non-PC nature of this particular registration detracts from it's value?!?!

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#324 Graham Gauld

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 15:52

Can I revive this to try and sort out the Ecurie Ecosse cars. From Graham Gauld's Ecurie ecosse history I have:

C-Types
JWS 353, XKC 006 - Ian Stewart and later david Murray
MVC 630, XKC 046 - James Scott Douglas
KSF 181, XKC 041 - Jimmy Stewart
KSF 182, XKC 042 - Ninian Sanderson

ex-works Lightweight C-Types
LSF 420, XKC 051 - 1953 Le Mans winner as a works car
LFS 671, XKC 053
LFS 672, XKC 052

production D-Types
MWS 301, XKD 501 - 1956 Le Mans winner
MWS 302, XKD 502
MWS 303, XKD 561

ex-works 'long nose' cars
RSF 301, XKD 606 - 1957 Le Mans winner
RSF 302, XKD 504
RSF 303, XKD 603 - believed to be the Le Mans winner by the American who bought a car built up from XKD 603 and parts of XKD 602 from Ecurie Ecosse

Listers
341 SG, BHL 104
RSF 301, BHL 109 - originally the Monza single seater, rebuilt as a sports car in 1959 also used the recycledRSF 301 number before the Tojeiro

Tojeiro-Jaguars (chassis not numbered)
7 GNO - car raced in 1958
RSF 301 - 1959 car recycling the RSF 301 number after the Lister

So, that's the first question: was RSF 301 officially transferred and registered with DVLA?
And the second one is more confusing. At Le Mans in 1957 the two long nose cars carried what are reported to be trade plates:
XKD 606 carried 341SG and XKD 603 carried 376SG. this is feasible on the assumption that it took time for Ecurie Ecosse to register them. But to muddy the waters further, black and white photos show the numbers as white letters on a dark (red or black) background and trade plates were red letters on a black background - or at least 774RW was when carried by the factory cars in 1953 to 1956.

Does anyone know the full story?


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QUOTE (D-Type @ Aug 20 2012, 19:15)
Can I revive this to try and sort out the Ecurie Ecosse cars. From Graham Gauld's Ecurie ecosse history I have:

C-Types
JWS 353, XKC 006 - Ian Stewart and later david Murray
MVC 630, XKC 046 - James Scott Douglas
KSF 181, XKC 041 - Jimmy Stewart
KSF 182, XKC 042 - Ninian Sanderson

ex-works Lightweight C-Types
LSF 420, XKC 051 - 1953 Le Mans winner as a works car
LFS 671, XKC 053
LFS 672, XKC 052

production D-Types
MWS 301, XKD 501 - 1956 Le Mans winner
MWS 302, XKD 502
MWS 303, XKD 561

ex-works 'long nose' cars
RSF 301, XKD 606 - 1957 Le Mans winner
RSF 302, XKD 504
RSF 303, XKD 603 - believed to be the Le Mans winner by the American who bought a car built up from XKD 603 and parts of XKD 602 from Ecurie Ecosse

Listers
341 SG, BHL 104
RSF 301, BHL 109 - originally the Monza single seater, rebuilt as a sports car in 1959 also used the recycledRSF 301 number before the Tojeiro

Tojeiro-Jaguars (chassis not numbered)
7 GNO - car raced in 1958
RSF 301 - 1959 car recycling the RSF 301 number after the Lister

So, that's the first question: was RSF 301 officially transferred and registered with DVLA?
And the second one is more confusing. At Le Mans in 1957 the two long nose cars carried what are reported to be trade plates:
XKD 606 carried 341SG and XKD 603 carried 376SG. this is feasible on the assumption that it took time for Ecurie Ecosse to register them. But to muddy the waters further, black and white photos show the numbers as white letters on a dark (red or black) background and trade plates were red letters on a black background - or at least 774RW was when carried by the factory cars in 1953 to 1956.

Does anyone know the full story?


Edit: typos


OK: Firstly the last paragraph. The trade plates were Edinburgh motor trade plates issued to Merchiston Mews Garage that were white on RED

Reference the Tojeiro Jaguars the original 7GNO was the factory car LOANED to Ecurie Ecosse. In the deal David Murray was toldby John Ogier who owned the car, that he could buy the car at the end of the season but it depended on whether David wanted to buy the registration number 7GNO that went with it. He did not. With regard to the chassis number I quote from a letter from John Ogier to David Murray when Murray asked for the chassis number to put on his 1958 Le Mans entry John wrote: The Tojeiro has no chassis number as it was self-constructed. The registration number is 7GNO. Ecosse eventually did not enter this car for Le Mans. Ecurie Ecosse ran the car for the first time in the support race to the 1958 British Grand Prix at Silverstone with Ivor Bueb at the wheel. At the end of the season the car went back to John Ogier and John Tojeiro embarked on building a completely new Tojeiro-Jaguar specifically for Ecurie Ecosse to be delivered in time for the 1959 Le Mans 24 hour race. This car did have a chassis number TAD 1/59 and duly ran at Le Mans with Ron Flockhart and Jock Lawrence carrying the RSF 301 registration number "borrowed" from the D type Jaguar.( It happened quite a lot back then) This is the car Masten Gregory wrote off at Goodwood and the remains were eventually put together by Crosthwaite & Gardner and sold to Dick Skipworth and normally raced by Barrie Williams.

As for XKD603/ XKD606 and the melding of parts I am very familiar with this as I took Stan Sproat to the company where both cars were lying in wait with the bodies removed. Stan had his notebook with him and he went from one car to the other identifying his welding and isolating which parts in one car were from 603 and which were from 606 and both cars were taken apart and the correct bits that remained were put together to make XKD606 - the 1957 Le Mans Winner- with as many of its original parts as could be expected. However, I think you are confused with the Le Mans winning cars. The American to whom you refer owns the short nose 1956 Le Mans winning car and as far as I am aware the XKD 606 is still in the Louwmans collection.

Hope this is of help



#325 arttidesco

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 15:55

This may well have previously been the subject of discussion here on this thread, and I wonder if the rather non-PC nature of this particular registration detracts from it's value?!?!


When I was a nipper I had a book on registration letters and I'm sure it said something to the effect that The Dept. of Transport was responsible for sifting out offensive letter combinations :confused:

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:10

When I was a nipper I had a book on registration letters and I'm sure it said something to the effect that The Dept. of Transport was responsible for sifting out offensive letter combinations :confused:




I suppose it is no worse than Jimmy Blumer's FKU2

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:12

... anyway, why didn't anyone pick up on my interesting D 1 ENW ? Singed: Disgruntled of Anglesey


Presumably now "Disgruntled of Malta", Barry. It's over two years since nobody picked up on your interesting D 1 ENW.

At the risk of appearing a complete oaf amongst our esteemed colleagues, I have to admit I haven't a clue to its significance.

Am I alone?

Rob :wave:

Edited by Kingsleyrob, 17 September 2012 - 16:14.


#328 Tim Murray

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:13

This may well have previously been the subject of discussion here on this thread ...

It has indeed:

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WOG1 on Nigel Webb's XK150S. He once took this to Brixton :rolleyes: and the locals thought it was a great joke!

Also had a knock on his door one day and found two DVLA officials there. They asked him if he would voluntarily
surrender the plate due to its controversial nature. After showing them the licence doc they had issued, they were
sent away and he has the plate to this day. Wonder which is worth more, the plate or the car?



#329 Barry Boor

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:21

I am sure you are far from alone, Rob, the rest are just too embarrassed to admit it.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:25

I am sure you are far from alone, Rob, the rest are just too embarrassed to admit it.


I'm standing inline with Rob :)


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:32

I'm standing inline with Rob :)


And I'll stand right behind you, we'll be like bookends.


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:52

And I'll stand right behind you, we'll be like bookends.


I'll be the odd bookend out then :blush:

#333 Tim Murray

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 17:13

Yr wyf yn gwybod yr ateb.  ;)

#334 Peter Horsman

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 18:01

Saw modern Bentley the other day in London. HA51 LEG In a newspaper a day or so later, I coincidentally learned that it is apparently owned by a successful builder who was injured in a motor accident and used his compensation to start his business. His injury? Erm, he lost a leg. Well done him!

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Saw modern Bentley the other day in London. HA51 LEG In a newspaper a day or so later, I coincidentally learned that it is apparently owned by a successful builder who was injured in a motor accident and used his compensation to start his business. His injury? Erm, he lost a leg. Well done him!

I didn't realise Hopalong Cassidy was the original cowboy builder ... :wave:





/fetches coat and runs for cover ...

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I believe recently departed Max Bygraves was on the other side of the planet the day I took this photo at the Silverstone Six Hours, I wonder which 'pikey' this plate belongs to ?

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 21:07

Anybody mentioned XKM 201, the Broadley Special and road registered as a Lola.......the first in a long line.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 15:43

To say nothing of WJ1515 in the background, with maybe Arthur Mallock and my father fettling "Bombsk".
Isn't that the Mike MacDowell Lotus mk 9 there too?

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 15:53

Saw a Nissan crewcab farm vehicle thing the other day with RO05TER

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#340 BRG

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 19:54

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I believe recently departed Max Bygraves was on the other side of the planet the day I took this photo at the Silverstone Six Hours, I wonder which 'pikey' this plate belongs to ?

Ah, dear old Max! I wanna tell you a story.... Max used to have a flat in London SW1 and the flats shared an underground car park with our office. At that time I drove to work, and one very wet morning ventured down the car park ramp a little too energetically. The floor was concrete, polished by tyres and dropped oil which made it a skating rink when wet. I had a opposite lock moment and nearly sideswiped a sky blue Roller with the registration MB9. When I mentioned this to a colleague, he said,"Oh, that's Max Bygraves's car". A definite oops moment.

In the same area, I one day saw NCB1. It was on a rather battered Ford Escort van, but as it was in National Coal Board livery and was parked outside their HQ building, it was a bit of a give away who owned it. Nationalised industries, eh? No wonder the miners were so bolshie! I wonder if they had transferred it to the van temporarily while the NCB's chairman changed his limousine?

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 19:59

Ah, dear old Max! I wanna tell you a story.... Max used to have a flat in London SW1 and the flats shared an underground car park with our office. At that time I drove to work, and one very wet morning ventured down the car park ramp a little too energetically. The floor was concrete, polished by tyres and dropped oil which made it a skating rink when wet. I had a opposite lock moment and nearly sideswiped a sky blue Roller with the registration MB9. When I mentioned this to a colleague, he said,"Oh, that's Max Bygraves's car". A definite oops moment.

In the same area, I one day saw NCB1. It was on a rather battered Ford Escort van, but as it was in National Coal Board livery and was parked outside their HQ building, it was a bit of a give away who owned it. Nationalised industries, eh? No wonder the miners were so bolshie! I wonder if they had transferred it to the van temporarily while the NCB's chairman changed his limousine?


I thought Max Bygraves had MB1 and Mercedes Benz were very pissed off when Sing along Max refused to sell it to them :)


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 20:08

I thought Max Bygraves had MB1 and Mercedes Benz were very pissed off when Sing along Max refused to sell it to them :)

Maybe he had more than one car? Not unheard of...

Or maybe I misremembered the number on the Roller. Which is entirely possible - it was back in the early 1980s.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:32

I thought Max Bygraves had MB1 and Mercedes Benz were very pissed off when Sing along Max refused to sell it to them :)


Yes he did, I often saw him driving a Bentley or RR with that number, and always a friendly wave if you let him out of a junction or parking space. His stated position for many years that he wasn't going to sell to "Those bloody Germans", apparently they'd bombed his mum back in that 1939-45 period of unpleasantness, but I think that he must have weakened eventually, as "Those bloody Germans" seem to have the number now.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:25

To say nothing of WJ1515 in the background, with maybe Arthur Mallock and my father fettling "Bombsk".
Isn't that the Mike MacDowell Lotus mk 9 there too?

Yes,the Lotus Mk 9 registered PDD 76 and later raced by John Anstice-Brown still with the Ford sidevalve engine

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 21:37

I've seen a photo (somewhere) of max Bygraves standing next to a Mk1 Sorite with the registration number "MB1"

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 22:51

Yes he did, I often saw him driving a Bentley or RR with that number, and always a friendly wave if you let him out of a junction or parking space. His stated position for many years that he wasn't going to sell to "Those bloody Germans", apparently they'd bombed his mum back in that 1939-45 period of unpleasantness, but I think that he must have weakened eventually, as "Those bloody Germans" seem to have the number now.


Looks like Max made the "bloody Germans" go through the proper channels to get it ;)


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Posted 20 September 2012 - 13:40

Shouldn't be allowed - I am deeply offended.

And anyway, why didn't anyone pick up on my interesting D 1 ENW ?

Singed:

Disgruntled of Anglesey


"Dai from North Wales" maybe....


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Posted 20 September 2012 - 15:38

Yes,the Lotus Mk 9 registered PDD 76 and later raced by John Anstice-Brown still with the Ford sidevalve engine


Thanks, I thought that was it. Mike MacDowell lived in Cheltenham, and I remember being with my father in Simplicity (EDD 168) on our way to Silverstone for a club meeting, and being overtaken somewhere around Andoversford by this car. We ran in a small convoy to Silverstone, though I think my father had to pedal harder than he did!


#349 Barry Boor

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 15:43

O.K. I'll fess up....

D 1 ENW (or, in Welsh di enw - pronounced dee enoo) translates as NO NAME.

I bet you are utterly underwhelmed.

Edited by Barry Boor, 20 September 2012 - 15:59.


#350 kayemod

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 15:48

O.K. I'll fess up....

D 1 ENW (or, in Welshe di enw - pronounced dee enoo) translates as NO NAME.

I bet you are utterly underwhelmed.


I think that for most of us, the feeling is one of near total underwhelment