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#1 maxie

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:02

Fantastic!!!

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#2 Nikolas Garth

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:03

FIA plot to help out Coulthard for the WDC. :mad:

#3 fifi

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:07

woooohooooo go Fisi

#4 bira

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:08

To all those copy/paste websites out there: this is an Atlas F1 exclusive so bugger off! :p

#5 Arrow

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:13

What an amateurish mess.

A fitting end to an amateurish race.

#6 fifi

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:13

bira - is this all your doing ;)

#7 lustigson

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:15

From the FIA press release: "If this proves to be the case, the race classification would be that at the end of the 54th lap and not at the end of the 53rd lap as published."

What IS the classification after the 54th lap apart from that Fisichella was ahead?

#8 calibre001

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:19

Oh Dear. Bit of a mess.

Well done Atlas :clap:

I have been cynical in the past about your ability to break news, but this is a fantastic scoop to get :up:

#9 Steel

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:21

If this is true FIA ruling really sucks. If rules can be interpreted differently in such
a simple matter as this it's almost scary to think how it works (or not) when it comes to
more delicate issues. :down:
It will be interresting to hear the reasoning behind it.

#10 SeanValen

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:22

:eek: :eek: OMG! OMG! WOW! WOW!

Ghostrider what are your thoughts on this?
You know other forumers will be wondering about the fisi fan Ghostrider. :D


But I like to see some more stuff and read more news before I celebrate, as I think Fisi deserved the Brazil GP win.

#11 mr. handsome

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:23

He very well might deserve it, I don't dispute. It's just that why the *** it took till mr. schumacher opened his mouth before anything began to happen?

But hey, I'm only 8 yrs. old, like Nikolas Garth said, and please, note this age y'all and ignore what I said in the introductories, please.

#12 bira

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:24

The FIA now have it on their website as press release.

FYI - this is all the Bulletin Board's doing... I can't say more than that! :);)

#13 lustigson

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:26

Originally posted by bira
FYI - this is all the Bulletin Board's doing...

You mean that the FIA people read this forum to such an extent that it might effect race results? :eek:

#14 fifi

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:27

Originally posted by bira

FYI - this is all the Bulletin Board's doing... I can't say more than that! :);)


:clap: :clap:

#15 bira

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:27

Originally posted by lustigson

You mean that the FIA people read this forum to such an extent that it might effect race results? :eek:


NO.

#16 Steel

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:30

Regarding Fisichella deserving the win more than Kimi or David I am not so sure. If he is
claimed the winner of the Brazilian GP it is just as much a lucky win as it was in Kimis case.
He was in the right place at the right moment.

#17 lustigson

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:31

Originally posted by lustigson
What IS the classification after the 54th lap apart from that Fisichella was ahead?


If I am not mistaking, the result would be:
1. Fisichella
2. Räikkönen
3. Coulthard
4. Frentzen
5. Villeneuve
6. Trulli
7. R. Schumacher
8. Da Matta

#18 AS110

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:35

I'm not happy,this is really going to upset my Fantasy Manager results,I'm going to complain - there's ten bucks at stake here. :(

#19 AndreasNystrom

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:36

im not sure when did fisichella overtake kimi?.. wasnt it on lap 54, on t3?
in t1, and t2, kimi was still the raceleader.. or?

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#20 Smooth

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:38

Awesome!! :up:

I hope, Bira, that we can get a column from GF soon!! :up:

#21 Sir Frank

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:38

I think Alosno would still be in there, he was running ahead of Webber and collected his wheel when "lapping" him, he was only a few seconds behind Kimi and Fisico, so he should have crossed the line with them a lap earlier.

#22 RichardB

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:38

Originally posted by AndreasNystrom
im not sure when did fisichella overtake kimi?.. wasnt it on lap 54, on t3?
in t1, and t2, kimi was still the raceleader.. or?


Yes but that means that at the end of lap 53 Kimi leads and at the end of lap 54 Fisi leads

#23 A3

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:38

Originally posted by bira
FYI - this is all the Bulletin Board's doing... I can't say more than that! :);)


:eek: :clap:

Can you tell us after the FIA's meeting?

#24 Sintra

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:39

Originally posted by Bira
FYI - this is all the Bulletin Board's doing... I can't say more than that!



Ok, let's try out a NLP-technique on Bira... :p
Suppose you could say more than that Bira, what would it be?

#25 CLX

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:42

In a race with so many accidents, turnovers and errors, no driver can be said to have deserved the win. Especially if you consider the full race distance was ever completed.

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:43

Originally posted by AndreasNystrom
im not sure when did fisichella overtake kimi?.. wasnt it on lap 54, on t3?
in t1, and t2, kimi was still the raceleader.. or?



Fisi overtakes Kime ended lap 53 as leader, in lap 54 Fisi overtakes Kimi and Giancarlo have finished lap 54 as the leader, finishes lap 55 as leader ,



AND FINISHES THE RACE AS LEADER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :kiss:



Congratulation to the FIA that they are rethinking the decision of their racestewards to give the right man the win and not the man who finishes 2nd. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:44

Originally posted by lustigson


If I am not mistaking, the result would be:
1. Fisichella
2. Räikkönen
3. Coulthard
4. Frentzen
5. Villeneuve
6. Trulli
7. R. Schumacher
8. Da Matta


http://www.formula1.com/timings/ has the standings at the end of Lap 54, as far as I can make out :

1. Fisichella
2. Räikkönen
3. Alonso
4. Coulthard
5. Frentzen
6. Villeneuve
7. R. Schumacher
8. Trulli

#28 Karpow

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:48

Dear lord, what a mess... :mad:
If Fisichella is granted a victory I am SURE that this is not the way how he wants to earn his 1st victory.
Amateurish FIA suckers. Learn to read your stupid rulebook or change the rules so that stewards don't have to guess what is the right decision in case X. Phew!! :down:

#29 FucF1

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:48

WooHoo!!! :D :up:

I honestly thought I'd never see a Jordan on the podium again never mind another victory....

Congratulations Eddie, Fissichella and the Jordan team.....commiserations Kimi (just about my favourite driver at the moment) but you and McLaren will have other victorys.

And thanks Atlas for making my day and great reporting.

(only downside is I'd have really like to have seen Fissichella on the top step and the Soldiers Song being played....oh well....)

#30 SeanValen

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:51

Originally posted by CLX
In a race with so many accidents, turnovers and errors, no driver can be said to have deserved the win. Especially if you consider the full race distance was ever completed.


The rain-hit race was littered with crashes and incidents and ended in bizarre circumstances with Raikkonen's win. Teams were allowed to change the set-up of their cars to suit the wet conditions an hour before the race. McLaren had already been given special dispensation to change the engine in Raikkonen's car after the power unit suffered a crack during the qualifying session.

I didn't like the way the rules were overlooked in this GP anyway, so maybe Kimi would have a DNF'd if the engine change didn't occur, and after all that, 8 points for 2nd place is something to celebrate still, and his lead in championship isn't badly reduced.

#31 Robbie

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:52

Originally posted by Karpow

If Fisichella is granted a victory I am SURE that this is not the way how he wants to earn his 1st victory.


True, but he did cross the finish line ahead of Kimi, so it will surely feel like a victory.

#32 lustigson

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:53

Originally posted by bigbrickz
1. Fisichella
2. Räikkönen
3. Alonso
4. Coulthard
5. Frentzen
6. Villeneuve
7. R. Schumacher
8. Trulli

If those results are correct, the WDC standings would look like this:
1. Kimi Räikkönen, 24 (1)
2. David Coulthard 15 (1)
3. Fernando Alonso, 14
4. Giancarlo Fisichella, 10 (1)
5. Jarno Trulli, 9
6. Juan Pablo Montoya, 8
7. Rubens Barrichello, 8
8. Michael Schumacher, 8
9. Ralf Schumacher, 8
10. Heinz-Harald Frentzen, 7
11. Jacques Villeneuve, 3
12. Jenson Button, 2
13. Nick Heidfeld, 1
Mark Webber, 0

#33 K-One

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:53

All this happened after Schumi started complaining that Fisi is the real winner...Where are you conspiracy theorists? MS=FIA=FIAT=MOSLEY

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:53

Originally posted by SeanValen
:eek: :eek: OMG! OMG! WOW! WOW!
Ghostrider what are your thoughts on this?
You know other forumers will be wondering about the fisi fan Ghostrider. :D
But I like to see some more stuff and read more news before I celebrate, as I think Fisi deserved the Brazil GP win.


:clap: :clap: :wave: I am right here!!!!

Is this really true??? Can it be so???

I am not taking anything for granted until Fisi has ten points in the WDC standings!! :smoking:

#35 mr. handsome

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:55

Originally posted by K-One
All this happened after Schumi started complaining that Fisi is the real winner...Where are you conspiracy theorists? MS=FIA=FIAT=MOSLEY


here I am :wave: ! (see my post above, not an elaborated theory though, but a hint toward that direction.)

#36 SeanValen

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:56

Originally posted by Ghostrider


:clap: :clap: :wave: I am right here!!!!

Is this really true??? Can it be so???

I am not taking anything for granted until Fisi has ten points in the WDC standings!! :smoking:


I would still give it today and maybe tomorrow, so more confirmation is revealed, like Jordan issuing a statement, but it looks like Fisi's win, but how you act on your hopes is your choice, difficult when u want to celebrate or not, but for me, I still want to see more stuff, but other people are already convinced.

#37 Ghostrider

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:56

Another thing, will Ron be equally happy now and still praise Fisi. Stay tuned. :lol:

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:57

Originally posted by bira
FYI - this is all the Bulletin Board's doing... I can't say more than that! :);)

What does that mean?

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 10:59

Originally posted by Tomecek
What does that mean?


Some posters here I think stated that Fisi had started his 56th lap so he should be the winner. Maybe that info or something somehow reached FIA or Jordan or something like that.

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#40 KenC

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:00

Ahhh....justice is served!

#41 Tomecek

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:01

Originally posted by Ghostrider


Some posters here I think stated that Fisi had started his 56th lap so he should be the winner. Maybe that info or something somehow reached FIA or Jordan or something like that.

Thank you :up:

#42 fifi

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:01

well according to the jordan wwebsite

Jordan Grand Prix has received the FIA statement concerning the results of the Brazilian Grand Prix, which is in keeping with the team's evidence. The team awaits the outcome of the stewards' meeting on Friday 11 April.



there keep there mouth shut just now

#43 random

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:04

Here's the FIA Press Release.

Simply amazing.

#44 kwood24

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:04

well i personally think justice will prevail (for one of the few times) from the FIA.

Congrats to Fisi and 10 points for Jordan :clap:


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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:07

What I don't understand is why Jordan didn't appeal the original reace classification. It's clear from the rules that if Fisi started lap 56, the results are based on the classification at the end of lap 54, when Fisi was in the lead. So all you have to know is whether Fisi crossed the line after getting through Webber's debris before the red flag was thrown. And who would be better placed to know this that people in the pit lane, such as the Jordan team?

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:07

Firstly - well done Bira and Atlas :clap:

Regarding the BB's influence - maybe Bira took note of a few arguments in the discussions in the other threads and made a few inquiries to the FIA and they realised they screwed up!!??? In time I think we will find out.

Regarding Fisichella winning - I dont see this as much of a problem - Im happy if he does finally get his first win - he is long overdue - but its a shame he couldnt celebrate it like he deserved to on the podium top step. Well done Fisi :up:

As for Kimi - well i can live with him losing 2 points - atleast it doesnt hurt his championship all that much.

Wow - what an eventful start to the season!! :eek:

#47 Ghostrider

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:09

Originally posted by Bart
What I don't understand is why Jordan didn't appeal the original reace classification. It's clear from the rules that if Fisi started lap 56, the results are based on the classification at the end of lap 54, when Fisi was in the lead. So all you have to know is whether Fisi crossed the line after getting through Webber's debris before the red flag was thrown. And who would be better placed to know this that people in the pit lane, such as the Jordan team?


Maybe they were preoccupied with how Alonso and Webber were doing?

#48 buzz1

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:11

I just watched the replay again and it looks like Fisi is the winner because he passed the accident place around 15 seconds before Alonso crashed there and the race was red flagged immidiately after Alonso crashed. So it means that Fisi should cross the start/finish in 15 seconds from the accident place even if he wasn't up to full speed and start lap 56......

#49 SeanValen

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:11

Originally posted by gerry nassar


As for Kimi - well i can live with him losing 2 points - atleast it doesnt hurt his championship all that much.

Wow - what an eventful start to the season!! :eek:


Exactly, if Kimi is as good as you believe, he'll bounce back, he's still got a great lead any driver would want at this stage, 8 points is alot for 2nd place, and Fisi likely won't be his championship challenger.


But for the season, it gives a spread out celebration feel, 3 different winners in 3 GPS-Equality of f1 celebration for the fans of the winners. :smoking:

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 11:11

Well done Atlas. You rule :up:. A shame that Webber loses his points :.