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#151 GMACKIE

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 21:22

Just a bit of useless information..........Jack Meyers had the record DOWN Silverdale Hillclimb!

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#152 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 22:39

You'd better tell us more, Greg...

That sort of information needs to be recorded!

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 23:29

I feel privileged to have been around when motor-sport often included a 'bit of fun'.

As the Siverdale return 'road' was not suitable for cars with little ground clearance, some would drive back down the Hill, and some of those would do so at a very fast rate!

Jack Meyers asked the time-keeper [was it Ray O'Day?] if he could time them DOWN the hill. Jack was President of the VSCCA at the time [I think], and Ray was all for it. I don't remember any times, and they were most likely not recorded - for obvious reasons - , but Jack Meyers was quickest by a long shot!

Cheers, Greg

PS .......Don't tell CAMS, Ray.

#154 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 23:57

A bit late for them to ban Jack now, don't you think?

And as Silverdale's long closed, Jim's escaped to an island off the coast of Tasmania and the timekeeper's probably passed on too, I don't think CAMS would be very interested!

#155 Terry Walker

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 15:07

I've accidentally turned up a start date for Perth's oldest known hillclimb - Crystal Brook Rd, or as it was in 1916, Welsphool Rd. The hillclimb section was bypassed in the post WW2 era, and renamed.

There had been a "sand pull" along the bush track and then up the escarpment in 1917, and another in 1919. But the inaugural was on Saturday 4 November 1916, and ony used the hill, a distance of about 2 miles.

There waas the usual handicapping of the time, by RAC HP and some subtle formula, (the event was run by the Royal Automobile Club of WA). Amazingly, Fastest Time was by a Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost driven by V Cockram. On Hcp the event was won by C Dent in a Daimler. There were a number of lady drivers, characteristically placed in their own ghetto rather than included in the overall results.

However, I corrected that myself by sorting by time along, and ladies came in 4th, 5th and 6th fastest, and there was one DNF on the day when a lady driver came undone and bent the car up a bit - a few mudguard dents and a fright, apparently, was all that happened.

The hill was used intermittently into the late 1960s.

Thanks to TROVE - a fluke discovery when I was looking or something else.

The 1901-1935 section of my results file on my website had been updated accordingly

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 21:16

Exploring the NSW Southern Highlands atm, knew about Fountaindale and Razorback but learning about Berrima and Oxleys Hill Bowral (fabulous hill, and the incline, would have suited big engined cars)

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 21:50

Does anybody have a list of competitiors for the Greensborough hill climb? I am after the MG entries.
Also, what road was the hillclimb held on?

Cheers,
Matthew.



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Not what you seek, but for the prewar MG site an old and undoubtedly familiar photo of Hope Bartlett's Q Type. I learned only in the last fortnight that the previously unknown figure beside the car is Fred Robinson who spannered and passengered in this and other Bartlett MGs at the time.

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 21:50

No doubt, I did a lot of exploring up around that area including Newnes, Sofala, Hill End and in more recent times (20-30 years ago!) I had to call into the Rylstone Base Hospital with a badly banged up ankle. The nurse wanted to cut off my motorcycle boot so I said no thanks and rode back to Sydney in a lot of pain and in the pitch dark with meagre off road lighting.

While I'm here, I seem to remember Orange and Mount Canobolas being associated with a speed event - no its not Gnoo Blas (damn what I'd give to remember half the things I've forgotten!!)


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The thread on Ted Ansell uncovered this information re the Hillclimb at Orange that I am so proud my brain remembered in a moment of clarity :clap:

 

Run by Orange LCC, 400 yard course, hill rises 310 feet.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 10:32

Forty Bends - today - fairly rough what's left of it...Forty Bends road would only be about a mile in length, that's all that's left in that location anyway..ahhh the memories though!

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 21:09

Thanks for the memories Mick, I ran there in 1964/65 in my Mazda 800, such a great Hill Climb for the smaller powered cars when compared to Huntley Hill my home climb.

For me the best corner was the first left hand corner after the start, depending on how you attacked it made or broke your time and lets not forget Apple Shed.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 22:39

Apple Shed.......a bit 'sideways'. 1962

 

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The start. 1962

 

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 22:42

Amaroo Park Hillclimb. 1979

 

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 00:31

Amaroo Park Hillclimb. 1979
 
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Top shot!

Question: are you a little under-tyred or just over-rimmed? (I understand that that side is loaded :-)

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 02:23

Answer: Probably more like over-tired......due to work load.  ;)



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 06:26

Blimey Greg did the steering lock up on you, now that can be nasty.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 22:01

40 Bends records, 1962.

 

Scutineer shifted my VW to "GT", because of the oil temp. gauge mounting, although it was quite acceptable at Bathurst, W.F., Catalina, etc. :confused:

 

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 22:08

I see in the results Jackie Sargent, Cooper Mini, this car was prepared by my old friend Stan Smith ex. Lynx / Rennmax & many other motor bike establishments.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 22:22

And Ron Haylen..........now he was a good Mini pedaller. :up: Passed away, sadly, a couple of years back.



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 09:15

Went up Big Hill Rd, The Oaks NSW 2570 today...anyone know whether it was ever used as a Hill Climb?

Also, heard Leura referred to as "The Cascades" today...more to follow after further ratting about :)



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 20:56

Mick I have never heard of a Hill Climb at the Oaks area as it would be too close to Silverdale, I surmise that Big Hill Rd. is a public road, with Bowral being just up the road it seems highly unlikley, also there was the Hill Climb at Douglas Park.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:11

We had discussion a long time ago about a hillclimb between Picton and Camden...

Big Hill Road would have been too rough for most kinds of hillclimbs, at least post-war.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 04:59

Mick I have never heard of a Hill Climb at the Oaks area as it would be too close to Silverdale, I surmise that Big Hill Rd. is a public road, with Bowral being just up the road it seems highly unlikley, also there was the Hill Climb at Douglas Park.


Dan, Silverdale would be about 87Km from Bowral on the new ho-hum freeway (so not that close before that was built!) but Douglas Park is awful close to the Razorback so maybe they were one in the same...Cheers, Mick

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 06:46

Douglas Park H/C was down near the river.....Razorback H/C was near Cawdor. Not the same.

 

I wish you'd listen, Mick. :rolleyes:



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 08:57

Douglas Park H/C was down near the river.....Razorback H/C was near Cawdor. Not the same.
 
I wish you'd listen, Mick. :rolleyes:


Caw! Sorry Guv! I do listen...its retaining I have trouble with :confused:



#175 DanTra2858

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:00

Guys was Razorback pre or post WW2

#176 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 13:16

Greg, where was the Douglas Park climb?

Mick... the Silverdale to Bowral distance hasn't changed, not even with the introduction of the freeway. Not that it's relevant, hillclimbs can exist quite close to each other while the nature of Silverdale, also the years of operation, differed from the others anyway.

In the same area was also Robertson.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 21:18

Douglas Park, Ray.

 

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 22:34

When was Razorback Hill Climb as I can not find any results of event.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 22:43

Just found the answer to my own question thanks to David McKinney report.

1947
5/4 Foley’s Hill (NSW) - Ron Ewing, Buick Special
5/4 Mt Tarrangower (Vic) - Clarrie Head, Ford A speedcar
19/4 Rob Roy (Vic) - Ernie Seeliger, Itala-V8
25/4 Wiseman’s Ferry (NSW)
4/5 Toodyay (WA) - Jack Nelson Ford 10 special s/c
Mt Helena (WA)
21/9 Rob Roy (Vic) - Doug Whiteford, Kaye Special
2/11 Australian Championship, Rob Roy (Vic) - Arthur Wylie, Ford A special
23/11 Parkerville (WA) - Barry Ranford, Mercury Special
30/11 Razorback (NSW) - George Reed, V8 special
13/12 White’s Hill (Qld) - Charlie Whatmore, Studebaker Special

1948
26/1 Hawkesbury (NSW) - Ray Mitchell Ford-Jeep
24/2 White’s Hill (Qld) - Charlie Whatmore, Studebaker Special
17/3 Mount Tarangower (Vic) - Ron Edgerton, Lycoming Special
(Easter Saturday) Rob Roy (Vic) - Tony Gaze, Alta
Box Hill (NSW) - Ray Mansell, Skate
Kelmscott (WA) - Arthur Collett, MG TC
2/5 Rob Roy (Vic) - Doug Whiteford. Kaye Special
16/5 Hawkesbury (NSW - Frank Kleinig, Hudson Special
14/6 Glen Ewin (SA) - Granton Harrison, V8 Special
8/8 Hawkesbury (NSW) - Jack Murray, Day Special
15/8 White’s Hill (Qld) - Charlie Whatmore, Studebaker Special
19/8 Hawkesbury (NSW - Frank Kleinig, Hudson Special
28/8 Glen Ewin (SA) - Harry Neale, Ford A midget
19/9 Rob Roy (Vic) - Arthur Wylie, Wyliecar
24/10 (NSW) - Gordon Nicol, SS 100
2/11 Australian Championship, Rob Roy (Vic) - Frank Kleinig, Hudson Special
13/11 Glen Ewin (SA) - Ron Uffindell, MG K3
21/11 Razorback (NSW)
27/11 Hurstbridge (Vic) - Cec Warren, Ford A midget

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:55

Just found the answer to my own question thanks to David McKinney report.

1947
5/4 Foley’s Hill (NSW) - Ron Ewing, Buick Special
5/4 Mt Tarrangower (Vic) - Clarrie Head, Ford A speedcar
19/4 Rob Roy (Vic) - Ernie Seeliger, Itala-V8
25/4 Wiseman’s Ferry (NSW)
4/5 Toodyay (WA) - Jack Nelson Ford 10 special s/c
Mt Helena (WA)
21/9 Rob Roy (Vic) - Doug Whiteford, Kaye Special
2/11 Australian Championship, Rob Roy (Vic) - Arthur Wylie, Ford A special
23/11 Parkerville (WA) - Barry Ranford, Mercury Special
30/11 Razorback (NSW) - George Reed, V8 special
13/12 White’s Hill (Qld) - Charlie Whatmore, Studebaker Special

1948
26/1 Hawkesbury (NSW) - Ray Mitchell Ford-Jeep
24/2 White’s Hill (Qld) - Charlie Whatmore, Studebaker Special
17/3 Mount Tarangower (Vic) - Ron Edgerton, Lycoming Special
(Easter Saturday) Rob Roy (Vic) - Tony Gaze, Alta
Box Hill (NSW) - Ray Mansell, Skate
Kelmscott (WA) - Arthur Collett, MG TC
2/5 Rob Roy (Vic) - Doug Whiteford. Kaye Special
16/5 Hawkesbury (NSW - Frank Kleinig, Hudson Special
14/6 Glen Ewin (SA) - Granton Harrison, V8 Special
8/8 Hawkesbury (NSW) - Jack Murray, Day Special
15/8 White’s Hill (Qld) - Charlie Whatmore, Studebaker Special
19/8 Hawkesbury (NSW - Frank Kleinig, Hudson Special
28/8 Glen Ewin (SA) - Harry Neale, Ford A midget
19/9 Rob Roy (Vic) - Arthur Wylie, Wyliecar
24/10 (NSW) - Gordon Nicol, SS 100
2/11 Australian Championship, Rob Roy (Vic) - Frank Kleinig, Hudson Special
13/11 Glen Ewin (SA) - Ron Uffindell, MG K3
21/11 Razorback (NSW)
27/11 Hurstbridge (Vic) - Cec Warren, Ford A midget

How many of those drivers and cars are still around?  I am not sure of any of the drivers but some of the cars are. I believe the Kleinig Hudson is still around, as is the George Reed special, The Harry Neale Midget,The Granton Harrison Special? Replica?, I think some others.



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 21:44

Kiama Club I believe used to run a Hill Climb somewhere in Jambaroo, I do remember a death at the Hill in late 1958/59 of a Kiama driver in a Ford Prefect open wheeler & a very serious accident to Whinny Ashmore in the ex Ron Imisides MG TC, the hill was closed after these accidents. Are there any other memories of this hill lingering out there.

#182 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 05:38

Originally posted by Lee Nicolle
How many of those drivers and cars are still around?  I am not sure of any of the drivers but some of the cars are. I believe the Kleinig Hudson is still around, as is the George Reed special, The Harry Neale Midget,The Granton Harrison Special? Replica?, I think some others.


The last one I know of to die was Tony Gaze, but I am not sure about:

Gordon Nicol
Ray Mansell
Granton Harrison

The cars... not a complete list:

Itala V8 - written off at Lobethal in 1948
Jack Nelson's 'White Mouse' Ford Special has been rebuilt
George Reed's car is likely the black car, which seems to be all gone
The Kaye Special didn't survive long at all, I doubt that it will be resurrected due to its Lincoln Zephyr V12 engine
Whatmore's Studebaker is still around in a later form, refer to Dick Willis

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:57

Kiama Club I believe used to run a Hill Climb somewhere in Jambaroo, I do remember a death at the Hill in late 1958/59 of a Kiama driver in a Ford Prefect open wheeler & a very serious accident to Whinny Ashmore in the ex Ron Imisides MG TC, the hill was closed after these accidents. Are there any other memories of this hill lingering out there.


Can you narrow down where the road was Dan? For example, the Jamberoo Mtn road is a doozy and could support a climb in places...

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 11:06

Working on that Mick.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 01:53

The Jambaroo Hill climb was run on Wallaby Hill Road at the back of Jambaroo, coming into Jambaroo from Kiama you go straight through the roundabout just after the Pub & turn left at the end of the road which brings yo onto Wallaby Hill Road. I am not sure of which part of the road was used or if it was dirt or tar, investigations continuing.

The Climb was not used after the Death of the Kiama driver.

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Posted 24 October 2014 - 06:59

Kiama Club I believe used to run a Hill Climb somewhere in Jambaroo, I do remember a death at the Hill in late 1958/59 of a Kiama driver in a Ford Prefect open wheeler & a very serious accident to Whinny Ashmore in the ex Ron Imisides MG TC, the hill was closed after these accidents. Are there any other memories of this hill lingering out there.


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The remais of the Ashmore TC after his accident that nearly cost him his life.

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 05:35

40 Bends records, 1962.
 
Scutineer shifted my VW to "GT", because of the oil temp. gauge mounting, although it was quite acceptable at Bathurst, W.F., Catalina, etc. :confused:
 
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Posted in case anyone associates the Uren (Tom) who passed away today with the racing Doctor...

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#188 Dick Willis

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 08:06

I'm impressed to see the Nota Major ( which I have owned for the last 4 years ) had the outright hill record and ahead of the Holden powered Nota Din too.

 

Some significant names on the record list too, Tom Sulman, Ralph Sach, Brian Lawler, Les Schwebel, Ken Ward, Bill Burns, Paul Bolton and---------------Greg Mackie



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Posted 15 February 2015 - 06:16

The HRCC (Qld) is bringing back the Mt Cootha Classic Hillclimb last run in 1915 as part of Brisbane's 150th year celebrations:

http://www.coothaclassic.com.au/

They hope to make it an annual event. Around 200 competition places. Entries open soon after Christmas.


Latest scuttlebutt is that heaps of work has been done, re-surfaced the track and made new pit areas & access roads etc

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Posted 17 February 2015 - 10:59

Hi

I am collecting the history of the Mt Tarrengower hillclimb.

Last year Mt Tarrengower hillclimb celebrated its' 85th year, the oldest hillclimb in Australia.

I have a lot of records of the event and a list of all competitors, except for a few years that I am missing information on.

I noticed an old post asking about the spelling. Originally it was Mt Tarrangower but for some reason in the early 1950s it was changed to Mt Tarrengower.

If I can help anyone researching anything on Mt Tarrengower, please let me know.

 

I am also researching the hillclimb history of a 1919 Indianapolis Ballot that came here in the mid 20s and was reported to have help most Australian hillclimb records for the next 24 years.

In the late 30s it was fitted with a FordV8 and later in the 1950/60s the original engine was refitted. Previous owners, Cooper, F Bray, J Gullan (V8), E Thomas (V8), R Edgerton.

Any help appreciated.



#191 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 February 2015 - 12:43

Sorry, the original engine wasn't refitted...

Ron Edgerton acquired a damaged engine from Briggs Cunningham and rebuilt it. He put, he told me, 1,000 hours into making the crankshaft sections. This happened in the seventies.

The timing of the fitment of the Ford V8 was indeed in the late thirties. I have heard (but can only partially recall) the story of getting the original crankcase over the wall and into the CAC facilities in an attempt to repair it after yet another rod had come out the side.

Jim Gullan raced the car in January, 1940 at Lobethal with the V8 engine installed.

As to hillclimb records 'for the next 24 years' I can't say. Except to say that, although the car won at Rob Roy in June, 1946, it never held the record at that climb. Nor did it even win at Lobethal in 1937 or 1938, nor do I see any of your listed names among the winners at Mt Tarrengower in that period.

For this car, and I really do appreciate the worth of the car and of Ron's rebuild of it, to have held 'most Australian hillclimb records for the next 24 years' I wouldn't expect these three to be missing from its list of victories.

I sincerely doubt that the car left Victoria to compete anywhere except to go to South Australia and Wirlinga after it took up residence there.

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Posted 18 February 2015 - 22:02

Amaroo Park Hillclimb. 1979
 
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Greg after looking at this photo many times I believe that it is the esses at Huntley Hill not Amaroo, comment please.

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Posted 18 February 2015 - 22:34

It is Amaroo, Dan.....even Huntley is wider than that !



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Posted 18 February 2015 - 22:47

Hi

I am collecting the history of the Mt Tarrengower hillclimb.

Last year Mt Tarrengower hillclimb celebrated its' 85th year, the oldest hillclimb in Australia.

I have a lot of records of the event and a list of all competitors, except for a few years that I am missing information on.

I noticed an old post asking about the spelling. Originally it was Mt Tarrangower but for some reason in the early 1950s it was changed to Mt Tarrengower.

If I can help anyone researching anything on Mt Tarrengower, please let me know.

 

I am also researching the hillclimb history of a 1919 Indianapolis Ballot that came here in the mid 20s and was reported to have help most Australian hillclimb records for the next 24 years.

In the late 30s it was fitted with a FordV8 and later in the 1950/60s the original engine was refitted. Previous owners, Cooper, F Bray, J Gullan (V8), E Thomas (V8), R Edgerton.

Any help appreciated.

Wellcome, Robert. Although I do not have a great wealth of knowlege on just about everything, I feel you are taking on some worthwhile projects. :up:



#195 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 February 2015 - 22:56

Originally posted by GMACKIE
It is Amaroo, Dan.....even Huntley is wider than that!


I also think the road is too wide for Amaroo...

And there's not a sign of a sandstone wall anywhere. Could it be right at the very top of Amaroo? I've forgotten what that was like. It's definitely not Silverdale, by the way.

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Posted 19 February 2015 - 01:42

Ray, I have a feeling that even if I stated my VW was Mandarin Red, you would not agree. :rolleyes:



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Posted 19 February 2015 - 06:54

Greg if it is Amaroo then I believe that it is the second corner of the climb as it is not steep enough for the remainder & by the way what ever you reckon the colour of your car is it is OK by me.

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Posted 19 February 2015 - 07:28

Greg if it is Amaroo then I believe that it is the second corner of the climb as it is not steep enough for the remainder & by the way what ever you reckon the colour of your car is it is OK by me.


Me too, if Kevin Rudd can learn Mandarin then its probably an excellent colour for an angry Dub :up:



#199 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 February 2015 - 10:08

As I said before the rudeness came in, Daniel...

It must be right at the top of the climb.

From memory, the first corner was a tight right between a tree and an embankment, then there was a tight left that was cut out of the sandstone. But at the top it did open up.

Many people ate mandarins there, some grew them in the nearby paddocks.

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 00:45

Apparently after fitting the V8 to the Ballot James Gullan sold the Ballot engine to the previous owner of the the Briggs Cunningham car (now in the Collier collection at the Revs Institute in the USA).

"Jumbo" Goddard helped broker a deal between Ron Edgerton and Briggs Cunningham where Ron swapped his fully restored 1904 Cotton Desgouttes for the original engine.

I agree with Ray in doubting the cars' hillclimb record, hence my interest in the car.

Putting that aside its' pre 1940 track record is impressive.Track records at :-Maroubra Speedway,Nowra,Aspendale,Melbourne Motordrome, a1st at Dromana Beach, FTD Strathpine Road circuit and 113MPH at Ninety Mile Beach in 1930.

Ray, you mentioned SA and Wirlinga, can you tell me more about that .