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#251 Geoff E

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 20:19

I think the link title says it all http://www.thisislin...tail/story.html

... but as the board automatically shortens links, perhaps it doesn't after all. :blush:

Edited by Geoff E, 02 January 2012 - 20:20.


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#252 Gary Davies

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 00:33

And now.. 70 years. The Derwent reservoir flypast in this link.

So moving.

#253 Allan Lupton

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:30

And now.. 70 years. The Derwent reservoir flypast in this link.

So moving.

as was last night's sunset ceremony at Scampton as seen on TV.
Got me thinking about what I did in May 1943, which led to noticing yet again how very young many of the aircrew were - some only 13 years older than me and even Gibson was only 25 when he led the raid.

#254 Odseybod

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:29

some only 13 years older than me and even Gibson was only 25 when he led the raid.


And he was the Old Man (24 at the time of the raid?).

Quite enjoyed the programme and thought it good of them to include a few howlers for TNF viewers to get indignant about (talking about the Merlins in the Griffon Spits, for one).

Would also have liked to see the view from the bomb-aimer's position in the Lanc, rather than the usual one from the mid-upper turret, but maybe the camera person couldn't get in there with his bulky gear?

Slight OT, am I right in thinking the Dambusters film was required to show the mine as a sphere rather than a drum, as it was still on the secret list, or is that more urban folklore?


#255 Vitesse2

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:47

Quite enjoyed the programme and thought it good of them to include a few howlers for TNF viewers to get indignant about (talking about the Merlins in the Griffon Spits, for one).

Dan Snow was slightly less Tigger-ish than usual (and did correct Eddie Butler's Griffon/Merlin error, I think), but he did drop one enormous bollock when he asked Barnes Wallis' daughter if her father had viewed the Dambusters raid as a highlight of his career. Has he not seen the film and the scene where Wallis discovers how many aircrew had been lost? His daughter was polite enough not to slap him down about it, but she didn't seem best pleased by the question - especially when he showed up his lack of proper research by saying the letter he was quoting had been written when she was eleven rather than fourteen.

Overall, though, a pleasing programme and you have to give credit to the pilot of the Lanc for arriving what looked like bang on time to the second and parking the thing straight and within about six inches of symmetrical behind the flagpole.

#256 Tony Matthews

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:20

Dan Snow was slightly less Tigger-ish than usual (and did correct Eddie Butler's Griffon/Merlin error, I think), but he did drop one enormous bollock when he asked Barnes Wallis' daughter if her father had viewed the Dambusters raid as a highlight of his career.

I agree, Dan Snow had obvioulsy taken an anti-Tigger pill, but even so he was not really in touch with wjhat was going on and who he was talking to. Suggesting to the Kiwi Dambuster that flying to the UK for the event must have been demanding... Yes, probably a lot more demanding than flying a Lancaster across Germany at night, etc, etc. Surely, Barnes Wallis' daughter had said earlier in the programme that her father was devastated by the loss of crew, or have I mixed that in from another programme? All in all, a moving event, and would have been better without either presenter.

#257 JtP1

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:25

Dan Snow was slightly less Tigger-ish than usual (and did correct Eddie Butler's Griffon/Merlin error, I think), but he did drop one enormous bollock when he asked Barnes Wallis' daughter if her father had viewed the Dambusters raid as a highlight of his career. Has he not seen the film and the scene where Wallis discovers how many aircrew had been lost? His daughter was polite enough not to slap him down about it, but she didn't seem best pleased by the question - especially when he showed up his lack of proper research by saying the letter he was quoting had been written when she was eleven rather than fourteen.

Overall, though, a pleasing programme and you have to give credit to the pilot of the Lanc for arriving what looked like bang on time to the second and parking the thing straight and within about six inches of symmetrical behind the flagpole.



The BBC or any modern revisionist history program maker actually doing research and getting their facts right? You must be joking. Timewatch was especially bad at one point. One only has to check the thread on the BBC review of GP in the 50s to 70s to see the level of research.

#258 Nick Savage

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:45



Slight OT, am I right in thinking the Dambusters film was required to show the mine as a sphere rather than a drum, as it was still on the secret list, or is that more urban folklore?
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Yes, spot on : not an urban myth, but the Ministry still had the shape on the Secret List - this, despite the Germans finding a nearly complete Upkeep lying amongst the woods after the raid. German scientists worked through the principles and (if I recall the footage correctly) then experimented with dropping a smaller version from an Fw 190 in trials. Never used in action.

Off on another footnote, the small bar at the Petwood Hotel, Woodhall Spa, the squadron aircrew bar, used to have a three-metre piece of the top of a fir tree that one of the 617 pilots had collected on his Lancaster's tail wheel when practising low-flying prior to the raid. No wonder they were popular with the locals...

The Petwood led a very chequered life in the 70s and 80s, going bankrupt every 2 years or so, but I have not been in recently - has anyone here been there in the last couple of years ?
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:46

Not directly connected to the Dambusters but a wonderful film of Lancasters and their crews;



There can't be very much film of Lancasters line-astern on the perimeter track of a WW2 airfield.

I was also struck by the similarity of the narration to Len Deighton's "Bomber"; a great read for anyone interested in Lancasters, WW2 and Bomber Command.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 13:34

Good show last night and on Radio 2 this morning. Really surprised that there was no Royal person at the ceremony. Ideal for prince William I would have thought.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 13:40

Good show last night and on Radio 2 this morning.


I'm beginning to wish that I'd seen it, but the advertised presence of Dan Snow persuaded me not to bother. Wonder if it will be repeated? Almost everything seems to be these days, usually several times.


#262 Vitesse2

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 14:30

I'm beginning to wish that I'd seen it, but the advertised presence of Dan Snow persuaded me not to bother. Wonder if it will be repeated? Almost everything seems to be these days, usually several times.

It appears not, but it's on iPlayer: http://www.bbc.co.uk...s_70_Years_On/#

#263 mfd

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 19:21

The Petwood led a very chequered life in the 70s and 80s, going bankrupt every 2 years or so, but I have not been in recently - has anyone here been there in the last couple of years ?


They're doing fine Nick - celebrations all this week & the bar is 1940s style! Tomorrow locally at the "Kinema in the Woods" which is another popular throwback to old style cinema is showing the film followed by a lunch at the Petworth - http://www.petwood.co.uk/

#264 MartLgn

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:20

I was fortunate enough to see the BBMF Lancaster fly fairly low over the house a couple of years ago on its way to an event in the North East. It's route took it very close to the former AVRO factory in Chadderton although I have since learned that this particular aircraft was built in Chester. The recent BBC and C4 documentaries and reconstructions have their faults but it does no harm to remind us of the ingenuity and tenacity of Barnes Wallis and the skill and unbelievable bravery of the young men who delivered these weapons into the then enemys back yard.


#265 Paul Parker

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 15:22

I was fortunate enough to see the BBMF Lancaster fly fairly low over the house a couple of years ago on its way to an event in the North East. It's route took it very close to the former AVRO factory in Chadderton although I have since learned that this particular aircraft was built in Chester. The recent BBC and C4 documentaries and reconstructions have their faults but it does no harm to remind us of the ingenuity and tenacity of Barnes Wallis and the skill and unbelievable bravery of the young men who delivered these weapons into the then enemys back yard.


Given the current and ongoing saga of the German domination of the EU and its attendant manufacturing prosperity the description of said country as 'the then enemy' is perhaps not quite accurate. :)

#266 cpbell

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 15:22

I was fortunate enough to see the BBMF Lancaster fly fairly low over the house a couple of years ago on its way to an event in the North East. It's route took it very close to the former AVRO factory in Chadderton although I have since learned that this particular aircraft was built in Chester. The recent BBC and C4 documentaries and reconstructions have their faults but it does no harm to remind us of the ingenuity and tenacity of Barnes Wallis and the skill and unbelievable bravery of the young men who delivered these weapons into the then enemys back yard.


It flew over our house a few years back - what a sound! :love:

#267 Gary Davies

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 05:09

Pardon me if something like this has already been posted, but it seems that progress with Peter Jackson's mooted remake of The Dam Busters is, er, making very little progress at all. See http://dambustersblo...busters-remake/

 


Mr Jackson seems to be a tad irritated by frequent questions as to how the project is going, viz: "There is only a limited span I can abide, of people driving me nuts asking me when I’m going to do that project." The problem, apparently, lies with endless Hobbit films. (Never seen one, never likely to.)

 

But he also said: "We still have the rights, and it’s one in a little pot of movies. We don’t have a next movie nailed down, but certainly The Dam Busters is one of them." 



#268 Allan Lupton

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 08:00

A remake seems unnecessary to me - what can it add except paid work for a large number of people in the film industry? If Mr Jackson's comments are accuratly quoted, let us hope that the scriptwriter's command of English is better!



#269 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 08:01

This thread needs a name change, it is 70 years now. :wave:



#270 Gary Davies

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 08:49

As the fred starter, let's see if the system will le me do it... (darts off to try)

 

.... apparently it won't.

 

Seems a reasonable point, Lee.

 

If his honour the Nostalgia Forum Moderator sees fit, perhaps he could do the deed.  :wave:



#271 Vitesse2

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:14

As the fred starter, let's see if the system will le me do it... (darts off to try)

 

.... apparently it won't.

 

Seems a reasonable point, Lee.

 

If his honour the Nostalgia Forum Moderator sees fit, perhaps he could do the deed.  :wave:

Done. :wave: (I did try to do a strikethrough of sixty to highlight the change, but apparently HTML doesn't work in thread titles!)



#272 kayemod

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 13:18

This is the Möhne Dam as it is today, or a couple of years ago at any rate, probably looking exactly as it would have done a year or so after the raid, when it had been repaired by thousands of Organisation Todt slave labourers, most of them Russians or other eastern European prisoners, thousands of whom died during the work. It's interesting to note, something I've never seen mentioned in any of the numerous Dambusters TV programmes, that these slave labourers were hurriedly shipped from working on the Atlantic Wall defences on the French coast, which would have meant that Our Boys had slightly less to contend with on D Day than they might otherwise have done. I think that the fact that repairing the dam was regarded as such a high priority by Germany's wartime leaders is highly significant, and any revisionist historians claiming that the raid was a waste of men and resources would do well to remember that.

 

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#273 elansprint72

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 17:20

Attached is the flight schedule for the TWO Lancasters over the next few weeks:

 

http://www.warplane....14-uk-tour.aspx



#274 elansprint72

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 10:36

Found on youtube, amongst many other clips:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=_W58OAVHfvg



#275 Alan Cox

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 19:22

A somewhat indifferent effort from Sunday at Goodwood

 

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#276 Paul Hurdsfield

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 14:12

Here is my effort from a hill overlooking Holmfirth a week or so ago.

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#277 Snakedriver

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 01:06

I just cant help it!

 

Im an American, and have not watched U-271 or Pearl Harbor!  I do not approve of any twisting of history.  I do however enjoy a good war story.

 

I would like close by telling the Hollywood set that we have just as good, interesting, and heroic history as anybody.  So stop intercoursing it up!

 

Now that I mentioned it:  Does anybody know the difference between a fairy tale and a war story?

A:  A fairy tale starts out "Once upon a time..."  A war story starts out "No shit!  There I was..."

 

Cheers,

Leo