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#51 flatlander48

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 17:49

When people rail about this perceived problem, I always wonder why it bothers them so much. It's like they're trying to defend or hold onto something. What?

Personally, I have always tended toward the view that whenever possible and reasonable, people could be addressed simply as they would like to be addressed. What, is that difficult? It's not a matter of political correctness, simply of good old-fashioned manners.


I would consider it to be a form of arrogance when someone refuses to use a name or a term that has been specifically requested.

I am reminded of the Ali vs. Terrell fight. When Cassius Clay made it known that he was no longer Clay and wished to be known as Ali, for some reason his decision was met with great offense, as if he were committing some kind of crime. (Those were the times, what can you say.) One opponent, Ernie Terrell, refused to honor Ali's his wish and taunted him with the name Clay. Now, Ali could have easily knocked out Terrell early, but he didn't. Instead, he carried Terrell around the ring for the full 15 rounds, holding him up with one glove and pounding him in the face with the other, repeating with every blow, "What's my name? What's my name?" It was what we would call today a teachable moment.



Glad you mentioned this. I had been thinking about making this point, but you've done a good job in recounting the story. Thanks!

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#52 Jim Thurman

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 18:43

When people rail about this perceived problem, I always wonder why it bothers them so much. It's like they're trying to defend or hold onto something. What?

Personally, I have always tended toward the view that whenever possible and reasonable, people could be addressed simply as they would like to be addressed. What, is that difficult? It's not a matter of political correctness, simply of good old-fashioned manners.

:up: Same here. I've never quite understood this. Basic politeness trumps any perceptions.

Similarly, the disputes over "tradition" when schools renamed athletic teams that had Native American nicknames. Locally, one in the San Fernando Valley planned on changing its name from Braves. A middle aged, white alum complained that it wasn't a racist name and that it was throwing away all the tradition, stating that the name was Braves, not something truly offensive like Redskins or Savages. He spoke eloquently and calmly at meetings and to local news about this, emphasizing that his complaints were not about being contrarian or against any "Political Correctness". Then, during homecoming he managed to disrupt the proceedings, made a complete and total ass of himself and revealed that it was ALL about fighting "against PC-ness" (he made it clear by ranting that as they carried him off) :rolleyes: ...and promptly lost what support he had. The teams are the Patriots now.

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#53 RStock

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 19:02

I looked through the thread and I don't believe the name of former NFL star Walter Payton has been mentioned. He did quite a bit of sport car racing after his retirement from football.

Also there is former NBA star Brad Daugherty, who has co-owned several teams in NASCAR series and is a commentator for ESPN's NASCAR coverage. I'm not sure if he has ever driven in a race however as his height is quite a disadvantage for him, but he has had a love of racing his entire life and wouldn't be surprised if he had entered a race of some sort at one time or another.

Edited by RStock, 02 February 2013 - 19:02.


#54 flatlander48

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 19:26

I looked through the thread and I don't believe the name of former NFL star Walter Payton has been mentioned. He did quite a bit of sport car racing after his retirement from football.



As I remember, he drove in the Trans-Am series. Not sure, he may have also run some races in the IMSA GTO category. Later he went into partnership with Dale Coyne and formed Payton/Coyne Racing in 1986 to compete in CART. Sometime after Payton's death, the organization was renamed Dale Coyne Racing, but I don't know exactly when that was.

#55 Tim Murray

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 19:48

Here's an old thread mainly about Payton:

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#56 P.Dron

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 20:32

I would like to know how Mr Magoo can tell the difference.

#57 Magoo

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 20:57

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#58 Magoo

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 20:59

I would like to know how Mr Magoo can tell the difference.


It's what you call an ironic nickname.


#59 P.Dron

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 23:00

It's what you call an ironic nickname.


Ah, blind to physical danger I suppose.

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#60 Magoo

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 15:57

Ah, blind to physical danger I suppose.


That would be interesting but not terribly ironic.