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#51 ian senior

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 08:18

Fantastic news. Remember how we discussed a kind of lower-key alternative to the Goodwod Revival - this could well be it, or something approximately like it. More of a "motor racing in the raw" than a glamourfest. Get your old Anglia and Thermos of soup ready now.

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#52 petefenelon

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 09:06

Originally posted by Barry Boor
If this is true, Alan, it's great news.


Agreed. The first version was a great day out for the hardcore fans, but the Arctic winds made it just a little too Aintree-authentic ;) It was a good event but needed slightly sharper organisation, I hope a second version at a better time of year (and possibly priced a little lower) and with a little more going on off-track is a great success.

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 09:38

I believe there is a suggestion of some kind of sprint format....... I got the news from Trisha Pilkington, whose TOPS group supported the last event.

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 09:52

Originally posted by ian senior
Fantastic news. Remember how we discussed a kind of lower-key alternative to the Goodwod Revival - this could well be it, or something approximately like it. More of a "motor racing in the raw" than a glamourfest. Get your old Anglia and Thermos of soup ready now.


I wish some venue owner would do it right now , for sure they would very soon get good crowds, its what a lot of people crave.

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 09:59

Hi

Alan's news about the reinstatement of Tatts is great - I just picked up on this http://www.aintree.o...g_construct.htm

Anybody got any further news about what happened to the 'demolition', proposed or otherwise of Tatts?

By the way, I dug out my copy of Tony Bagnall's history of the circuit and had a further dose of nostalgia before putting the light out last night! An interesting read, but sadly no colour pictures apart from on the rear cover.

I'll be popping in again a bit later today - amazing to have some great history on my doorstep, plus the great Oulton Park just twenty minutes away from home.

And yes, Dave, it would be good to meet up with fellow North West based TNFers - thanks for the invite. :up:

Cheers

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 10:14

Originally posted by petefenelon

Who was it that turned the McLaren M19s into F5000s? - there's a picture of a very young me sitting in one of those.

Brian Robinson?

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My only sortie to Aintree was in 1975 when I was working for Alexis, when we also ran the Alan Taylor Racing Driver School which operated there and at Cadwell.

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IIRC a night out in Bootle was, ahem... *interesting*!

#57 Stephen W

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 13:22

I suspect the proposed event for 2007 which was going to as close to the anniversary date of Moss winning the British GP in the Vanwall may not take place. Currently there is little or no progress and as time marches on it will become less likely.

The original proposal was for a motor bike race meeting on the club circuit on the Saturday and a Sprint on the Sunday. The latter is unlikely due to the timescales to organise however it could be run as an Historic Racing track day!

Aintree Circuit Club have been having a few internal problems but these are hopefully now resolved.

The original line of Tatts Corner has disappeared under a grandstand however there are outline plans to move the corner infield. The previously mentioned 'assembly area/paddock' is in fact the car park for the new grandsatnds.

If anoyone wants to see the CLUB CIRCUIT in operation pop along on Saturday when Liverpool Motor Club are running a track day. Thankfully there is a full entry list with 8 'reserves' travelling in case they can get a run so if you haven't already booked in you can at least spectate.

There are a lot of 'ground works' still going on at the venue and it isn't finished by any means. However the club circuit is still in use FIVE times a year for cars with two track days and three sprints - all run by Liverpool Motor Club.

For further details see www.liverpoolmotorclub.com

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 13:43

Aintree fans may be interested to know that at Goodwood I bought "A Record of Motor Racing at Aintree" by Graham Heath & John Lawson, in 2 volumes going up to 1964. It is a "Formula One Register-style" fact book (but not published by F1R) listing all entries, grids & results where known. Plastic covers and spiral bound. No illustrations. Presumably available from the publisher
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#59 Rob29

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 13:58

Originally posted by RAP
Aintree fans may be interested to know that at Goodwood I bought "A Record of Motor Racing at Aintree" by Graham Heath & John Lawson, in 2 volumes going up to 1964. It is a "Formula One Register-style" fact book (but not published by F1R) listing all entries, grids & results where known. Plastic covers and spiral bound. No illustrations. Presumably available from the publisher
Skycol Publications
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How much?

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#60 bradbury west

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 14:09

I just want to pay personal thanks to Graham Heath for the superb help which he gave to me with my own research.

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#61 James Page

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 14:31

Originally posted by petefenelon
Agreed. The first version was a great day out for the hardcore fans, but the Arctic winds made it just a little too Aintree-authentic ;) It was a good event but needed slightly sharper organisation, I hope a second version at a better time of year (and possibly priced a little lower) and with a little more going on off-track is a great success.


Good grief - it was INCREDIBLY cold! I thought it was great, though. We were able to stand virtually ON the start/finish straight as Martin Morris came over the line in R11B, neck and neck with a chap in an FW07 (?) Williams, who was desperately trying to put the power down on the slippery surface.

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 15:25

How much?
£15 each from a "dealer". Knowing pesonally how much work this knid of thing takes I thought it pretty reasonable although I could have provided some extra data had I known about the project. Still, that's always the case isn't it!
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#63 Kingsleyrob

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 19:30

Hi again

Intersting how much interest there is in Aintree after I posted just last night!

Anyway I got there again today, with camera. Although I took loads of shots, I'm just going to try and put a few on through ImageShack...

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Blimey! My preview tells me I have c*cked up bigtime - sorry!

Anyway, you get the picture - Tatts demolition in progress. I wondered if the guys sweeping up knew just what had gone on all that time ago??

Although it's great to be there, I'm not sue the place photographs well, being flat and reasonably featureless. I'd be amused if the golfers suddenly wondered why the traffic has increased if this encourages more visitors. :rotfl:

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 19:41

Rob - could you replace your last pic with pic with a smaller file, please? It's currently 2,592 pixels wide whereas the maximum for TNF is between 650 to 800... :eek:

Ta :up:

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 20:01

Thanks TW :wave:

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But think I have c*cked up again. Couldn't seem to get it to go small, so to speak!!

Rob :confused: :confused: :confused:

#66 Kingsleyrob

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 20:04

What am I doing wrong??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 20:09

Originally posted by Kingsleyrob
What am I doing wrong??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Rob


Dunno mate ;)

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 20:17

Originally posted by David Beard

Dunno mate ;)

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#69 Kingsleyrob

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 20:19

Doh!!! : : : :

Cheers Dave :up: :up:

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 20:22

Fixed in your earlier post too.

Have a butcher's at this thread as it might give you some useful tips.

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#71 roger ellis

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 20:24

One of my earliest racing memories is of spectating at Aintree in the 50s. Dad must have parked up near the short straight between the Cottage & Country corners as that was our vantage point.

Although I can remember seeing a gull-wing Merc 300SL win one of the races, I have no idea which meeting this was, the exact year, or anything about the other races.

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 20:26

Judging from your third picture Rob, the old Aintree Circuit Club clubhouse is no more... :(

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 23:34

Sorry, can't recall where the Club House was MCS, but I do recall a curious 'Scrutineering Bay' - a kind of car port! Can anyone confirm or is my memory playing tricks? Or was it at Oulton? Maybe this should be the dementia forum for me rather than the nostalgia forum - some things are a bit hazy, others as clear as a bell.

I do remember clearly as a ten year old thinking that 'scrutineering' was an odd word and looking it up in the dictionary.

The tarmac 'pit lane' is almost amusing to see on the Club Circuit, about six feet wide with grass growing in it. The numbers and start line are still there too.

Let's see if I can post the photo of the proper pit straight:

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Gotcha!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Will get around to posting a few more soon. Just thinking of the corners - they have an apppealing set of radii (if that's not too sad a thing to feel - pass my anorak) and I'd have loved to have seen the F1ers in action. Is there much good footage around? I recall seeing a bit in some of the Duke heroes series.

Cheers

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#74 Alan Cox

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Posted 27 September 2006 - 06:58

Thanks for your interesting pictures, Rob.

There isn't a vast catalogue of Aintree footage available commercially, but there is a Castriol film "Grand Prix Trio 1955" that includes Moss's first GP victory at the British GP, and also a BP film, available on Terrific Stuff videos about the "Grand Prix d'Europe 1957". I have seen film of the first, anti-clockwise, meeting on some compilation or other, but can't recall which one.

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Posted 27 September 2006 - 08:22

Originally posted by Kingsleyrob
Sorry, can't recall where the Club House was MCS, but I do recall a curious 'Scrutineering Bay' - a kind of car port! Can anyone confirm or is my memory playing tricks? Or was it at Oulton? Maybe this should be the dementia forum for me rather than the nostalgia forum - some things are a bit hazy, others as clear as a bell.

I do remember clearly as a ten year old thinking that 'scrutineering' was an odd word and looking it up in the dictionary.


Yes, the Scrutineering Bay was a two-sided, roofed oddity that sat on the tarmac of what was once the Sefton Straight. The cars then joined the club circuit at Cottage Corner - your pic shows that the cottage appears to be still intact.

The old Clubhouse features, somewhat strangely, in a sequence of the Bob Judd book "Monza" I seem to recall. Does he still write his racing books?

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Posted 27 September 2006 - 08:23

Originally posted by MCS



The old Clubhouse features, somewhat strangely, in a sequence of the Bob Judd book "Monza" I seem to recall. Does he still write his racing books?


Hope not.

#77 Stephen W

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Posted 27 September 2006 - 08:36

Originally posted by MCS
Judging from your third picture Rob, the old Aintree Circuit Club clubhouse is no more... :(


The OLD clubhouse has gone BUT there is a new one which is just out of shot to the right as you look at the photo and on the right hand side of Sefton Straight.

The first picture that Rob posted shows the major problem you would have in bringing racing back to the full circuit. The fences on BOTH sides of the track are so close that you will never get a racing license unless they are either removed or there are Armco barriers errected at what would be an horrendous cost.

Rob's second shot looking down Sefton Straight from Anchor Crossing is the area where the Sprint Paddock is housed. Rob's third shot shows Cottage Corner which is now the access road from the Paddock to the start of the sprint course.

Currently as part of the security there is a chain link fence running across the infield from Railway Straight to Cottage Corner. Under new plans to extend the golf course from 9 to 18 holes this fence would be removed. Once this has been done and the new holes completed it is hoped that the track can get back its license to run MULTI-LAP spints on the Club Circuit. This is still some time off as I understand funding is an issue but once Liverpool Motor Club can run multi-lap sprints it isn't too big a leap to get to the point where car racing can return to the Club Circuit. Let us not forget that motorcycle racing takes place on the course several times a year!

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Posted 27 September 2006 - 16:22

It's good to hear that there are plans to get Aintree back in action. I was competing in sprints in the late 80s and early 90s, and always jumped at the chance to do Aintree events. It was the place I took my first class win (over a guy I could NEVER beat at Curborough!) - I still have the great Aintree Circuit Club medallion I won for that - and also the place I blew up my Chevette HS engine on one of the first 2-lap events (MGCC I think), pulling 7000rpm in 5th over the finish line at the time ... ouch!
Loved the run around Beechers - careful on the way in and then feeding in the horses ( :lol: ) as early as possible to get out onto Railway Straight going FAST!! Great stuff (to be spoken with a strong Scouse accent).

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#79 Stephen W

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Posted 27 September 2006 - 18:41

Originally posted by Stoatspeed
It's good to hear that there are plans to get Aintree back in action. I was competing in sprints in the late 80s and early 90s, and always jumped at the chance to do Aintree events.

Great stuff (to be spoken with a strong Scouse accent).

Dave


Dave, Aintree IS in action and has been continuously since you competed there!

Since 1991 it has hosted at least one round per annum of the British Sprint Championship and has on two occasions been voted the Best Organised Sprint Championship event of the Year!

It is some time since we were able to run a two-lap sprint - 1992 I think was the last - due to the fence on the in-field.

The track day on Saturday is the last event of 2006 and I will post details of the 2007 events once they are confirmed.

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#80 Lotus 45

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Posted 27 September 2006 - 19:37

Just discovered this thread.

I absolutely loved Aintree. It was the first place I clapped eyes on a racing car - September 3rd 1955, the Daily Telegraph Trophy meeting.
Incidentally, the streamlined Connaught was there then, in the main race which was won by Roy Salvadori (Maserati). Peter Collins won the F Libre race in the V16 BRM . . .

If you want to know the full story of Aintree, then Tony Bagnall's excellent book "The unfulfilled dream - The story of motor racing at Aintee" is the one and only source. Published by CFM Publishing and very, very reasonably priced at £20.

I had hoped to add some pictures but Imageshack doesn't want to know tonight so - maybe tomorrow.

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Posted 27 September 2006 - 19:48

OK - Imageshack is speaking to me again so here goes!

This shot of a special saloon race start on the club circuit (between Cottage and Country corners)has the main grandstands in the background.

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These two shots show (in part) why Formula Ford was so popular - Country Corner at the start was often very interesting . . .

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And who says there were no facilities on the Club circuit in the 70s?

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#82 petefenelon

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Posted 27 September 2006 - 20:05

Originally posted by Lotus 45
OK - Imageshack is speaking to me again so here goes!

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Fantastic pics Peter, very atmospheric - thanks. Looks like about 1975 or so?

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Posted 27 September 2006 - 21:18

Originally posted by roger ellis
One of my earliest racing memories is of spectating at Aintree in the 50s. Dad must have parked up near the short straight between the Cottage & Country corners as that was our vantage point.

Although I can remember seeing a gull-wing Merc 300SL win one of the races, I have no idea which meeting this was, the exact year, or anything about the other races.


I'll bet that was Tony Brooks in Rob Walkers car

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Posted 28 September 2006 - 12:51

Whilst I can't remember anything else about this event, I just hope it wasn't the 55 GP!

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Posted 28 September 2006 - 13:15

Originally posted by petefenelon


Fantastic pics Peter, very atmospheric - thanks. Looks like about 1975 or so?



Yes, '75 and '76. Unfortunately, I didn't have a decent camera and access beyond the barrier in the years when the full circuit was in use! I did cover most of the Club Circuit events in the 70s, however.

These pics, again from the 70s may bring back memories to some and give others a bit of an insight into what the circuit looked like at that stage.

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Thes Austin 7s are at Village Corner, the right-hander leading onto Valentine's way where the horse track is on the left. The Pub visible in the background is the Blue Anchor after which Anchor Crossing was named.

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Actually there were facilities at Aintree! The timekeepers had the upper deck of the Aintree bus from which to overlook the start/finish line, other officials enjoyed alternative bus or caravan accommodation nearby.

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At major meetings, the numbers of the first four cars in the race were displayed on the "towers" atop the "Big Embankment" along Railway Straight. They can be seen in the background of this shot of Club Corner. Note that the railway was still just beyond the fence at this stage and had not yet been replaced by housing estates.

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Kim Mather's BRM P153 turning off the Railway Straight into Club Corner in July 1973. Marshal protection didn't seem to have the same priority it might today, considering that this post is at the end of a long, very fast straight . . .

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And finally . . . The Aintree Club Circuit pits in August 1974 with Kim Mather receiving the signal and his wife (Yvonne?) on the watches.

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#86 Alan Cox

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Posted 28 September 2006 - 16:42

Loveley stuff, Peter. They show just how low-key the facilities were that you needed in the 70s in order to run a race meeting!

I remember spending many a happy Saturday watching a terrific variety of machinery contesting various categories just for the sheer hell of it, more often than not without a whiff of championship points as a consideration.

Boatloads of Irish FF racers - Formula Libre par excellence - Brook Hire Escort and Firenza - Brians Murphy and Litherland - Kim Mather - Alo Lawler - Ian Smith - Derek Walker - Alan Minshaw - Viv West etc, etc, etc........

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Posted 28 September 2006 - 17:14

Very well put, Alan. And what marvellous pictures, Peter. Thanks :up:

There was always something of genuine interest at Aintree, I thought. Often some quite unusual entries (which, of course, added to the interest), certainly some characters and the racing itself was invariably close - maybe the circuit layout helped, I don't know.

I can certainly remember some great racing and it really did have an atmosphere all of its own; definitely a different scene to Oulton Park, even though a lot of the entries were the same. Quite a few of the Croft and Rufforth regulars seemed happier with the Aintree clubbies than the more serious MCD-oriented Oulton meetings and there were regularly several reserves for many of the races that Ian Smith so cleverly put together.

I'd go back tomorrow...

#88 Alan Cox

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Posted 28 September 2006 - 21:41

I hear from Trisha Pilkington that she was in conversation with Mike Ashcroft at Donington last weekend, and the word was that planning was still going ahead for a two-day event next year.

Fingers crossed..............

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Posted 30 September 2006 - 09:24

Can anyone offer a copy of the Autosport report of the F3 meeting at Aintree (should be 24th April 1975 issue), scanned, faxed or whatever?
Thanks in advance.
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#90 Stephen W

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 19:42

Originally posted by Alan Cox
I hear from Trisha Pilkington that she was in conversation with Mike Ashcroft at Donington last weekend, and the word was that planning was still going ahead for a two-day event next year.

Fingers crossed..............


I wouldn't necessarily build your hopes up!

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 00:23

Let me re-pose here a question that I have asked before but never had answered.

For the British GP races at Aintree, the organisers always allocated even numbers to competing cars. For GPs at all other British venues, and even in the alternate years at Silverstone, all race numbers (i.e. both odd and even) were always seemingly used.

Anyone know why? Was there a difference in the organisation of these races? I always thought that all these events were run under the auspices of the RAC. This has always seemed odd!

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 16:37

The probable answer to 'why' is simply, 'why not?'

Even numbers only was common around Europe in the 1950s and 1960s - Aintree just followed the trend, I suspect.

#93 Stephen W

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 17:07

Originally posted by lofong
Let me re-pose here a question that I have asked before but never had answered.

For the British GP races at Aintree, the organisers always allocated even numbers to competing cars. For GPs at all other British venues, and even in the alternate years at Silverstone, all race numbers (i.e. both odd and even) were always seemingly used.

Anyone know why? Was there a difference in the organisation of these races? I always thought that all these events were run under the auspices of the RAC. This has always seemed odd!


The event may well have been 'under the auspices of the RAC' however it was the local club who made such mundane decisions as what numbers to allocate. After all the suits at Pall Mall didn't need to worry about such trifles - they were more concerned over the choices of wine in the resturant!

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#94 Alan Cox

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 17:11

Some photos from a 750 Motor Club meeting at Aintree, July 1982.

Posted Image The grid for the Formula 4 Championship race - Rob Moores' ex-Daly B38 Chevron on pole - complete with sidepods.

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Posted Image Formula Fords assemble. Richard Street (Royale RP26) on pole.

Posted Image FF start - Tony Allinson leads away.

Posted Image The pit lane exit.

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 20:39

Her legs go right up to her bottom don't they

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 21:24

Now, now chaps, back on thread... :lol:

A few more shots from my visit last week- Country to Village (interesting to compare perspective with the great b&w pic above), a view up towars Bechers, round Bechers, then a view down Railway Straight.

Must have been great in a Grand Prix heading towards the packed grandstands as they were in the 50s and 60s!

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 21:43

Look at the sky colour! :eek: That can't be Lancashire in September, surely?

#98 Kingsleyrob

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 22:32

Yes Barry, it was a glorious day, as was the day before when I was there without my camera.

Thursday was a nice day too, and I ended up taking a detour in the afternoon to Oulton Park. Straight over the Bailey Bridge to find that it was a 'quiet day' - no testing, track or rally day activities.

Quite eerie in silence, but again great to go around the internal perimeter road (if that's not a contradiction!). The gate to the track was open at the inside of Lodge but I didn't dare...

Oulton is great because of its near originality of the track layout - almost as it was when I saw the (near) full GP crowd at the Gold Cups in the sixties. Not as many trees though. I remember one year when Fangio was visiting, and caught him on camera accidentally when he was around the Ferraris in the paddock.

Still, I guess that's for another thread...

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#99 Stephen W

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 08:02

If you check out the FOURTH of Rob's photos you will see a grassy bank on the inside of Beecher's Corner. This is where all the rubble from the new Tatts Grandstands has been dumped and 'landscaped'. The main problem is there is now more rainwater run-off getting onto the track and the drains are struggling to cope.
Similarly on both sides of Country Corner (the first of Rob's photos) just out of camera shot there are more ground works. On the INSIDE they have built up the spectator enclosure which does help with the view BUT again it does produce more rainwater run-off onto the track. On the Outside the grassy area no longer immediately drops away from the track as it did previously which unfortunately means that the rainwater doesn't run off the track as well as before!
It is hoped that once all the groundworks are finished the question of drainage will be addressed.

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#100 Peter Morley

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 14:23

Originally posted by RAP
Aintree fans may be interested to know that at Goodwood I bought "A Record of Motor Racing at Aintree" by Graham Heath & John Lawson, in 2 volumes going up to 1964. It is a "Formula One Register-style" fact book (but not published by F1R) listing all entries, grids & results where known. Plastic covers and spiral bound. No illustrations. Presumably available from the publisher
Skycol Publications
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Liverpool
L15 5AX
(I have no connection with the authors or publishers)
RAP


Here's a flyer for these books, that I just obtained from the publisher - he asked me to forward copies to friends & contacts etc so here you all are:

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