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[David T.]

Hallo! Who's able to provide me with a (possibly) complete list of all Toj sportscars types (no single seaters, please) and with some information about Mr.Obermoser? Wishes and thanks in advance

[Udo K.]

David,

here some career records of Jörg Obermoser. Most of them you will know, but maybe some are interesting.

1971 sees him debuting in the German Formula 3 Championship driving a BMW engined Brabham BT35. Still an "Ausweisfahrer" he comes 2nd in the Mendig Airport race. The season's final in Hockenheim is his first win.

1972: Driving an Ford Escort in the smaller touring car category he finished 4th in total of the Deutsche Rennsportmeisterschaft.

1973: Again in an Escort in the DRM. This time only 14th in the final classification.
In this year he starts drivin 2 litre sports cars. His mount is a GRD-BMW S73, in which he finishes 5th in the Österreichring round of the 2000cc European Championship. Another outing in Croix-en-Ternois sees him finishing 4th in the same car.
In the 300 KM Nürburgring, valid for Interserie points, Obermoser comes home 7th, winning the 2000 cc class.

1974: The year the first TOJ (Team Obermoser Jörg) appears. His first recordable result is an 8th place finish in the Trophee d'Auvergne driving his own TOJ-BMW SS02, followed by a 6th spot in Mugello.
At the Avus Rennen (non-championship) on September 1st he again is out with his SS02 finishing in 5th spot, after being fastest in practice. Now he had a team mate: Peter Scharmann brings the other SS02 home in 3rd.
Obermoser still finds the time to again drive in the DRM, this time in a BMW 2002TI. Winning in Mainz-Finthen and Hockenheim plus some more high point finishes brings him 2nd place in the championship.
He also takes part in the 6 Hours Grosser Preis der Tourenwagen at the Ring, sharing with Dieter Basche ( exact result unknown - anybody?).
At the end of the season he takes his SS02 to the final Interserie race at Hockenheim, but finishes a low 7th.

1975: Our British friends will maybe remember Obermoser because of his win in the non-championship
" Britannica 2000 " race at Brands Hatch. This time he drove his new TOJ-BMW SC03.
In the Interserie he achieves some class wins with this car, giving him 9th place in total and victory in the
2-litre class.
Again he drives a 2002TI in the DRM, greatest success is winning the Nürnberg 200 Miles. At the end of the year he is 4th in the final standings.

1976: It's DRM again in the BMW, again finishing 4th in the championship, but without a chance of beating the
Zakspeed Escorts.
Some more outings in the Interserie with SS03 and SC301, winning in Mainz-Finthen and 8th spot in the Hockenheim Südwestpokal is good enough for class victory. This gives him 8th place in the final standings of the series.

1977: Obermoser takes to the sportscar world championship: Monza 500 KMs sees him finishing 12th with co-driver Kurt Hild in a now Ford-engined SC301. In a SC302 he comes home 2nd in Le Castellet sharing with
Pierre-Francois Rousselot.
His last season of DRM racing was his worst, only minor placings with the 320i make him 16th in the championship.

1978: Interserie only. 1st in Kassel-Calden with the SC302. In Wunstorf he is in the SC303, with which he wins the Nürburgring Trophy "round the pitlane" in late August (Super Sprint). 2nd place to Merzarios Alfa 3 litre
in the Hockenheim season's final earns him second spot in the final championship order behind winning man Helmut Bross.

I think 1978 was his last season racing himself, no more records after that. From 1979 to 1984 many different TOJs were driven in the Interserie by as many drivers.
I can send you the results file, if you are interested.

David, that's all from pure stats - maybe they are quite useful, though...

[Frank de Jong]

My small database comes up with the following Toj-sportscars:
1974: Toj SS02, pretty much looking like a GRD74 with Warsteiner livery. Schnitzer BMW engine.
1975: Toj SS03 for Paul Keller (probably an updated '74 car); a SC03 for Obermoser, both with Motorsport engines.
1977: Toj SC302 for Oberoser; DFV engine
1978: Toj SC206, for Mario Ketterer, with Pirelli tyres and a Heidegger engine.
1980: Toj SM01 (?) for Le Mans (#22) and Ketterer. Only information is of one of my famous German cardgames.
Obermoser raced, as said, in 1973 a GRD S73, not only with Schnitzer BMW engines but with a Cosworth sometimes as well.
More details on the cars are available.

[David T.]

Thank you very much. A scanty story of the Toj can be obviously reconstructed from the results' evidence, but I'm more interested in the development of any single model. I also have several photos of the Le Mans cars (including some non-qualifiers or non-starters), but would like to know more about the technique. Does the final number indicate the capacity of the engine (e.g. 202 for 2 litres, 303 for three litres)? How many of those cars were built? I know that Obermoser was the importer of GRD (also known as Modus). I also know Mister Obermoser is a modelling fan and he's offering 1:24th models of many sports cars of the 70s, including the Toj's, but I haven't found any address right now. From "Time and two seats" by Janos Wimpffen I can list a certain number of engines associated with Toj chassis' and I think the list is quite complete.

I found something more technical at

http://www.auto-bike...ruppe6_1974.htm

Thank you for your cooperation, I'm looking forward to gathering more technical facts and notices about the factory in the very next days.

[wildman]

Originally posted by David T.
I also know Mister Obermoser is a modelling fan and he's offering 1:24th models of many sports cars of the 70s, including the Toj's, but I haven't found any address right now.

Here's a list of current and future models offered by Obermoser: Island Collectibles

[Jeremy Jackson]

Further to what Frank has, according to my database, I know of5 3-litre chassis SC301 - SC304, plus SC306, (except I have SC303 with a 2-litre BMW in early 1976, but that may be an error). I don't have a record of SC305.

2-litre cars SS02, SG03 (Some sources have SS03), then the SC204-206. I seem to recall an SC207, but I may be mistaken. I've not got one in my database.

SM01 may have been based on SC206? Hubert Steiebig drove both these.

Hope that helps

[David T.]

Here's a models' list from the 1:24 miniatures web site:

1974 TOJ SC02 2 litre BMW powered
1975 TOJ 202 2 litre BMW powered
1976 TOJ 302 3 litre Cosworth powered
1975 TOJ 203 2 litre BMW powered
1977 TOJ 206 2 litre BMW powered
1977 TOJ SC304

It's still something, now I will cross these data with the ones in the above threads.

[Rainer Nyberg]

Just a footnote perhaps, but the Strandell-Porsche Group C2 car, which was used during 1985-86 had a (previously unused?) TOJ Group 6 chassis underneath the Lotec bodywork.

[mickj]

I read somewhere that Harald Ertls 'Lotus Europa G5' was based on a TOJ chassis. Can anyone verify this.

[David T.]

Originally posted by Rainer Nyberg
Just a footnote perhaps, but the Strandell-Porsche Group C2 car, which was used during 1985-86 had a (previously unused?) TOJ Group 6 chassis underneath the Lotec bodywork.

Actually in the Directory of Group C Cars the Strandell-Porsche is listed as an old Toj chassis (which hadn't been never raced) fitted with a Lotec bodywork.

[ReWind]

You can contact Jörg Obermoser via his website.

Recently I asked him for date and place of his birth and he willingly responded.
(If anyone is interested: 19 June 1943, Freiburg im Breisgau, Schwarzwald [i.e. Black Forest].)

[Roman]

As about TOJ... i have these information, mostly from hillclimbs...:

1975
- Keller, TOJ SC03
- Schulthess
1976
- Ketterer, TOJ SC03
- Deutsch, TOJ SC03 BMW
- Deuggi, TOJ SC203
- Schulthess, TOJ SC304
1977
- Deutsch, TOJ SC04 BMW
- Deutsch, TOJ SC203 BMW
- Ketterer,TOJ SC205 BMW
- Stürz, TOJ SC205 BMW
1978
- Deutsch, TOJ SC206 BMW
- Ketterer, TOJ SC206 BMW
1979
- Toth,TOJ SC206 BMW (chassis 7902/78-1978)
1980
- Pignard, TOJ SC206 BMW

etc
1982 - Fernando Gomez
1988 - Rolf Köppel, TOJ SC03 BMW (chassis SC03004)
1989 - Stéphane Pustelnik, TOJ SC205, Bernard Chamberod, TOJ SC206 BMW
1990 - Claude Falk, TOJ NSU,
1991 - Petit, TOJ SC206 BMW, Mike Pendlebury, TOJ SS02
1992 - Tomas Aranda,TOJ Fitter BMW
1993 - Degout, TOJ SC206
1996 - Serge Vidal, TOJ SC206 (ex Chamberod ????????)
1997 - Victor Abraham, TOJ BMW
1999 - Patrice Auguier, TOJ SC206
2000 - Michael Neveu, TOJ SC206
2002 - Horst Deutsch, TOJ SC206 BMW

So, how to find more chassis info data or more info about TOJ??

[Gerard Gamand]

The french magazine Autohebdo test the TOJ V8DFV SC302-16-77 at Paul Ricard in 1977

[Gerard Gamand]

[group 7]

hi

I add some pics of the toj cars

group 7

http://i169.photobuc...4_obermoser.jpg




http://i169.photobuc...-06-03i-105.jpg

[Phil Rainford]

Two pictures of the Gilbert Baird entered Toj/BMW at the Failsafe Trophy Race for Thundersports September 1st 1985 Oulton Park.

[IMG]http://img116.images...6/img077uw5.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img49.imagesh...7/img078ds2.jpg[/IMG]



In both pictures Sean Walker is the driver:

[r.atlos]

Just to avoid any confusion: This photo of Obermoser from the 300km Nürburgring race in 1973 predates obviously all TOJ activities and shows him in his GRD S73:

Originally posted by group 7
hi

I add some pics of the toj cars

group 7

Here are some more of Hubert Striebig's car. The first one was taken in Montlhéry on 28/10/1979 and still shows the "old" yellow and black livery:



The second one is also from Montlhéry but this time from the 1980 "Coupes du Salon" (05/10/1980). The car has now reverted to a green / black / yellow livery as previously sported in Le Mans in 1978.

[rdmotorsport]

I remember a German driver from Rosenheim drove the Toj sportcars and F2 cars a guy called Hemming Hagenbaurer although he often raced under various sobriquets and at one time he was going to drive for me we even had Jim Crawford set up the car for him but as these things do it never happened but I do beleive he had a collection of Toj s he also later was involved in another underfunded car with great potential the Lotec.

Rodney Dodson.

[r.atlos]

Henning Hagenbauer, obviously, rings a bell with me but in a different context: He used to a run together with Günter Egermann (btw, I also have seen quite often the spelling "Eggermann") a team with two KMW SP30 in 1976 or so. I think that outfit was called "Sport Car Team of Austria" and was based in Vienna. As both drivers competed under an Austrian licence it never crossed my mind that Hagenbauer could have been from the Rosenheim area.

Your remark about "various sobriquets" is very interesting because I always had the impression he had come out of the blue and disappeared from one day to the other.

The Lotec was, indeed, also from that region. Kurt Lotterschmidt had driven a TOJ for many years in the late 70s / early 80s and turned to his home-built Lotec at some point in the mid-80s. He was (and I think still is) based in Kolbermoor which is may be some 15-20 km west of Rosenheim.

Now, the thing that comes to everybody's mind when we speak about Rosenheim are obviously the KMWs of Hanns Müller-Perschl and constructor Jo Karasek. However, that's a totally different story and I have seen there are one or two threads here which cover that subject in more depth.

[gerard BARATHIEU]

Phil,

pn ypur first shot ,it seems to be a PORSCHE 908 behind the TOJ.

Have you a better shot of this car and who was driving it ?

Thanks a lot.

[fausto]

Originally posted by gerard BARATHIEU
Phil,

pn ypur first shot ,it seems to be a PORSCHE 908 behind the TOJ.

Have you a better shot of this car and who was driving it ?

Thanks a lot.

The car behind the yellow Toj should be a S2000, possibly a Lola or a Shrike/Aquila...

[Bonde]

The car behind the yellow Toj in the first photo in post 16 indeed appears to be a Shrike S2000, and in the second picture the following car appears to be a Royale S2000.

[Phil Rainford]

Originally posted by Bonde
The car behind the yellow Toj in the first photo in post 16 indeed appears to be a Shrike S2000, and in the second picture the following car appears to be a Royale S2000.

Correct on both counts!

In the first picture it is a Shrike P15 driven by Mike O Brien and Robin Donovan, while the second picture shows the Royale RP37 of Tim Wright and Steven Roberts

[Bondurand]

I'm not totally sure of my memory, this was so lon ago... but I associate Toj not only with sportcars but alos single seaters (was it F2, F3 or FVee????) any hint on this?

I went to Jorg's site, but I can't read german

[Marcus Simmons]

You're absolutely right, Bondurand.

Keke Rosberg drove a Toj F2 car in 1976 - his first year out of Super Vee - and finished in the points a couple of times.

Was there ever a better livery than Warsteiner. Or product?

[Bondurand]

I'd love to read more on this F2 attempt...

Was there a relation with the 1975 F1 entry for Harald Ertl in a Hesketh with the splendid Warsteiner livery?

[Bonde]

I believe the owner is a TNF member: http://www.racecar-c...ndex.jsp?F2.jsp

[Jim Keller]

TOJ built two models of F2 cars as well as Super Vee and F3 cars.

Jorg Obermoser told me that there were 10-12 F3 / Super Vee cars built, he wasn't sure of the exact number.
He was sure that there were 8 Formula Two cars built, six in 1976, the F201's and two in 1977, the F202's.
The first two F201's were works cars for Keke Rosberg and sometimes Hans Heyer. The remaining 4 F201's were customers cars, chassis number 3 went to Gotlieb Bichteler. I don't know where the other three went.
They show up in the F2 results with various drivers
The F202's were both works cars, one for Danny Sullivan, the other for Rolf Stommelen.

Of the F201's, chassis number one is in Germany with????????, chassis number two is with Wolfgang Mathai, also in Germany. I have chassis number 3. No idea where the other three went
Of the T202's, both cars and a new, unfinished tub are with Bob Storz in Westbank BC Canada.
I have no idea where any of the F3/Super Vee's are.

Jim Keller

[r.atlos]

Originally posted by rdmotorsport
I remember a German driver from Rosenheim drove the Toj sportcars and F2 cars a guy called Hemming Hagenbaurer although he often raced under various sobriquets and at one time he was going to drive for me we even had Jim Crawford set up the car for him but as these things do it never happened but I do beleive he had a collection of Toj s he also later was involved in another underfunded car with great potential the Lotec.

Rodney Dodson. [/B]

Originally posted by r.atlos
Henning Hagenbauer, obviously, rings a bell with me but in a different context: He used to a run together with Günter Egermann (btw, I also have seen quite often the spelling "Eggermann") a team with two KMW SP30 in 1976 or so. I think that outfit was called "Sport Car Team of Austria" and was based in Vienna. As both drivers competed under an Austrian licence it never crossed my mind that Hagenbauer could have been from the Rosenheim area.

Henning Hagenbauer has made contact with me following our discussion above. He is doing well apparently and planning to return to the tracks next year with a LM1 sport prototype.

I also know for sure now that Günther Egermann was spelled with one "g" only.

Henning would also like to get into contact with Rodney Dodson, as well. Seems a PM through this forum did not work; so if Rodney or somebody knowing his whereabouts read this, please give me a PM.

[francoisb123]

A car ended is life in France for hillclimbs, with wrong Dallara style body .
chassis plate was:
TYP: TOJ MSV1
FAHRGEST NR: 1

First super vee?

What kind of car initially (someone has a picture?)GRD look alike?

François

[adminj]

Here is a picture of a TOJ Super Vee. Location/date: Norisring 1975. Car #15/Driver: Peter Scharmann.
He finished on 8th place.

Jürgen

[francoisb123]

Great thanks...
Seems to be already "WARSTEINER" livery...
But body is very different from GRD or MODUS, no?

[Mallory Dan]

The Scharmann 'TOJ', in 3rd place, looks very Modus-like to me. A similar car is just behind him too. Are the first 2 cars Kaimanns?

[francoisb123]

Yes, on the front end, but top of the car is different.
G.SWAN , on his superb website, seems to say the body was Storz creation:

"The bodywork for SC03 was designed by Achim Storz who would continue to carry out the same arrangement for single seaters".

More information about him?

[fausto]

Achim Storz company was, in the mid-80s, located in Zell-am-See, at that time he was responsible for the body design of the Argo JM19 (another Jo Marquart connection...), now I'm seeing that google offer some results about the man http://www.google.it...him storz&meta=

[Kale]

Please Help !
What firm mades the bodywork from the Formula 2 - F202 ?
Any guy with a mould from this body ??
Any pics ??

regards Kale

[Nanni Dietrich]

Perhaps we have already debated on TNF: in the World Sportscar Championship round held at Le Castellet in 1977 the Toj SC302-Ford Cosworth DFV finished 2nd behind the dominating Alfa Romeo 33SC12 driven by Arturo Merzario/Jean-Pierre Jarier.
Jorg Obermoser shared the car with French driver Pierre-François Rousselot who had replaced Rolf Stommelen (seem to remember Stommelen was injured after he crashed his Arrows F1 during a testing session).
A former Formula 3 talented driver (one of the three winners for France of the Europe F3 Cup for National teams in 1972) Rousselot was signed up by Obermoser at Le Castellet while he was at the circuit simply for a filming or a magazine picture session. Think he didn't drive anymore the Toj (don't know if he went on racing after this great 2nd place).

[francoisb123]

"at that time he was responsible for the body design of the Argo JM19 (another Jo Marquart connection...)"

JM19 is very much later no?

Thanks, whatever.

[fausto]

Originally posted by francoisb123
"at that time he was responsible for the body design of the Argo JM19 (another Jo Marquart connection...)"

JM19 is very much later no?

Thanks, whatever.

JM19 was debuted mid-season 1985, if I'm not wrong

[Gerard Gamand]

This is a fine pic of the Heinz Schulthess team of Warsteiner Swizerland in 1976.

Heinz had two cars : one with a DFV 3 liters and the second one with a BMW Schnitzer 2 liters

He also have this transporter



copyright Gérard Gamand

[Gerard Gamand]

One of the chassis was TOJ SC204

[Ted Walker]

A friend of mine has just imprted a TOJ and chassis plate carries the No SC303-05 Although fitted with an M12 the car shows signs of having been fitted with a DFV. Any ideas ??????

[Kevin Wilkins]

HI
Is there any evidence of a 204 chassis running with a 3.0l engine or did all the 3.0l car chassis's start with a 3?

What was the chassis that he ran at Paul Ricard in 76 or 77?

thanks in advance to those of you who are experts in this field!

[arttidesco]

I read somewhere that Harald Ertls 'Lotus Europa G5' was based on a TOJ chassis. Can anyone verify this.

Simon Hadfield who has seen the Europa G5, confirms that it has a TOJ chassis in this post, I'm curious to know which model/chassis number this might be too ?

Relevant answers maybe credited and used in a forthcoming blog.

[Richard Jenkins]

Facebook is reporting Jorg's death on the 16th September but I've not seen anything to support that anywhere yet.

[ReWind]

I have found two confirmations (in German): here & there.

It is not only sad that Jörg Obermoser is gone but also that it seems that no major media took notice. After all he was one of the big players in German motorsport in the 1970s.

[wolf sun]

Very sad indeed.

[Nanni Dietrich]

I have found two confirmations (in German): here & there.

It is not only sad that Jörg Obermoser is gone but also that it seems that no major media took notice. After all he was one of the big players in German motorsport in the 1970s.

 

Sad sad news.