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[Alexey Rogachev]

Originally posted by .ru
1907 International Race Moscow – St. Petersburg

The race time of tourists category winner was 16h18', he was at the wheel of Darracq. Unfortunately I don't know his name.

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev


The race time of tourists category winner was 16h18', he was at the wheel of Darracq. Unfortunately I don't know his name.

According to Braunbecks Sport-Lexikon the Tourist Class was won by a driver called Schwarz in a Brasier in a time of 14 hours 2 minutes 50 seconds (45.978km/h). Oddly, this is faster than than Fokin, for whom 14h 18m (45.174km/h) is quoted. Just to round it off, it gives 9h 21m (74.730km/h) for Duray.

However, I think there may be a clue to this discrepancy in the fact that Braunbecks gives a distance of 646 kilometres, rather than 646 versts: I'll leave it to the more mathematically inclined to try to work out the relationships between time, distance and speeds!

[Alexey Rogachev]

Originally posted by .ru
Tourists category (out of classification) – 4 entrants:
¹? F. Zhemlichka (RUS)
¹? Grachev (RUS)
¹? Leshchinsky (RUS)
¹? Schlicht (RUS)

Are you sure we mean the same race? I don't see Schwarz among these four entries...

As 1 verst was equal to 1.067 km, the total race distance of 646 versts was 689 km approximately.

[Vitesse2]

Displayed at the Heritage Motor Centre at Gaydon, there is a trophy in the form of an equestrian statue of Peter the Great. This appears to relate to an event not previously included in this thread - a "Russian International Tour", which took place in 1910 and covered a route from St Petersburg to Moscow via Kharkov. The trophy was apparently won by the aforementioned Harold Kendall, whose 40hp Austin was one of six finishers from 46 starters.

There are several previous mentions of Kendall in this thread, but they all relate to 1912: the trophy bears a plaque in Cyrillic script, but the date 1910 is quite clearly visible. So what was this event?

Displayed next to it is a small plaque (again in Cyrillic script but with no explanation) which is clearly dated 1913

[anjakub]

Richard,

In 1910 Harold Kendall (Austin) took part in the Rally for Emperor’s Prize, also named the Cup of Tsar (La Coupe du Tzar) on route St. Peterburg – Pskov – Vitebsk – Kiev – Homel – Moskva – Novogorod – St. Peterburg (date on old Russian calendar 16-30 June 1910). Kendall won the Prize of the St. Peterburg Automobile Club.

The plaque from 1913 – I don’t know which event. Is possible to see photos of these trophies and inscriptions.

[Vitesse2]

Thanks Andrzej

Afraid I can't give any more details: I didn't have a camera with me and they're behind glass anyway. The 1913 plaque was about 8cm tall and 12cm wide and showed a profile of a fairly standard open tourer of the period.

I may be going back to Gaydon next week, so I'll try to get more information, but my knowledge of Cyrillic is less than nil!

[Pavel Lifintsev]

The plaque probably relates to some of the trials not mentioned in my posts. Although they often included speed events such as verst race, those trials weren't races in any way - rather reliability tests or simply long journeys. From memory purely five or six trials were held in 1913, the most known of them were Moscow - Berlin - Paris and star rally with finish in Moscow.

As Andrzej wrote we need to see photo of the plaque, otherwise it's hard to say to which event it belongs.

Me personally thinks it's just a memorabilium and not a prize. The plaques were usually presented to all finishers - like this one, from the 1912 Rally for Emperor's Prize.

[Vitesse2]

That's very similar to the one at Gaydon. I thought it was unlikely to be a racing trophy as the car depicted was a tourer.

[Oleksij Hrushko]

As there will be first Russian Grand Prix this Sunday I prepared article about first motor race in Russia which took place in 1898.

 

http://racingchronic...for-cycling-en/ (only text)

 

http://racingstat.co...ety-for-cycling (only race results)

 

Sources used - this thread, book "Automoto passion in Russian Empire" about pre-1917 automobile and racing activities in Russia written by Melentiev and published in 2005, articles from Russian magazines - Automotosport from 1990, Za Rulyom (At the wheel) from 1968 and 1998, pre-1917 Kyiv magazine Sport and pre-1917 Russian magazine Automobile.

[Oleksij Hrushko]

Biography of winner of 1898 race Petr Belyaev - http://racingchronic...elyaev-died-en/

[Rupertlt1]

Well done, .ru!

I only concern spelling of some names.

Samuel Suurmets often appeared in contemporary reports as 'Surmets', but he is of Estonian ancestry and right spelling of his surname is Suurmets.

As to names of French entrants , I have found them only in Russian, but I suppose that right variants are:

Hippolyte-Auguste Deschamps (or Dechamps), not Dechan
Barbais, not Barbay.

I am not sure 'Mazy' or 'Mazi'; 'Merl' or 'Merle'

Maybe french-speaking experts will clarify what is right.

Spelling of German names - von Lode, Lidtke, Farich, and even Schneiderov with Russian 'ov' at the end is obvious.



John,

Troubetskoy is a branchy family of Russian noblemen, and I am quite sure that 1899 Troubetskoy and Prince Igor are from the same family but their exact relations are not known to me.

Genealogy of Troubetskoy family goes back to Gedeminovichi kin of Lithuanian Grand Dukes (XIII century).

Here you can trace the genealogy from Lithuanian Grand Dukes to Troubetskoy (but only in Russian): http://hronos.km.ru/...geanl_lt_1.html

Troubetskoy family coat of arms with description in Russian can be found here: http://library.tvers...oryane/0907.htm

 

Troubetskoy, Trubetskoy, Troubetskoi, Trubetskoi, Troubetzkoi all seem to turn up. Much later Igor Troubetzkoy was an early Ferrari customer after WW2?

 

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 22 February 2022 - 16:03.

[Vitesse2]

Troubetskoy, Trubetskoy, Troubetskoi, Trubetskoi, Troubetzkoi all seem to turn up. Much later Igor Troubetzkoy was an early Ferrari customer after WW2?

 

RGDS RLT

Wikipedia gives the following spellings for the family: Trubetskoy (English), Трубецкие (Russian), Трубяцкі (Belarusian), Trubecki (Polish), Trubetsky (Ruthenian), Трубецький (Ukrainian), Troubetzkoy (French), Trubic (Croatian), Trubezkoi or Trubetzkoy (German). So it really depends on which language your original source was written in and whether or not it was translated/transliterated into something else.

 

There's an extensive genealogy here, but Igor doesn't seem to feature ...

 

https://www.geni.com...mes/troubetzkoy

[Rupertlt1]

More Igor: https://www.historic...m?driverID=7516

 

RGDS RLT