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#551 ensign14

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 20:24

Same system in Czechoslovakia. Last years champion had car with number 21 and so on.

So did each country in the Warsaw Pact start with a different number? Alphabetical order or something?

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 22:55

So did each country in the Warsaw Pact start with a different number? Alphabetical order or something?

I don't know, but all the time the constant batch of numbers for every country was fixed. Perphats in DDR, Poland and USSR were numbers fixed to driver, not championship results.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 06:00

to find information gonna put some pictures ....

Superb photos again but... is it possible to post them with better image quality and higher resolution?

I don't know, but all the time the constant batch of numbers for every country was fixed. Perphats in DDR, Poland and USSR were numbers fixed to driver, not championship results.

Every driver becoming a permanent member of the Soviet CPF team was assigned his own personal number by a chief of the team and raced with this number not only in the Cup but also in national events. Those who did one-off entries received any free number.

BTW, I'm aware of some exceptions to the fixed batches of numbers. In 1967, Henri Saarm (USSR) had the 'Hungarian' number 52, and in 1972, the Czech driver Václav Bervid raced with the 'Polish' number 12.


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Posted 17 March 2011 - 16:51

So did each country in the Warsaw Pact start with a different number? Alphabetical order or something?

In Poland usually the number stayed with car for most years, new arrivals filling in the empty numbers.
From time to time there was a clean-up, with numbers attributed on merit.


#555 GrzegorzChyla

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 17:00

So did each country in the Warsaw Pact start with a different number? Alphabetical order or something?

from memory:

Poland had 1-20
Czechoslovakia 21-
Bulgaria 4x
Hungary 5x
Soviet Union 6x and 7x
German Democratic Republic 8x and 9x
Romania 100 to 120

Attribution within a country was left to internal regulations.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 17:40

In 1964 Hungarian numbers 31-40

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 22:03

I gave two photos of TOOMAS NAPA, what caught my attention was that is on track in Resita / Romania / Cup of Peace and Friendship ....is certainly, I well known route ...but do not know in what year was, 1984 or 1986???...

pictures belong here: http://www.toomasnap...ery/img025.html

....can anyone identify the year?

# 72 TOOMAS NAPA - CPF - Resita / Rumunia - 1984 or 1986
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b]# 72 TOOMAS NAPA[/b] - CPF - Resita / Rumunia -
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#558 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 06:22

The first photo is definitely from the 1986 race, but the second one is probably from the 1988 one - please pay your attention to the difference in the appearance of Napa's cars: the symbols above the number 72 and the colours of the safety bows.

#559 nelutzu

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 23:28

ok, and thanks this is my address: nelutz69@yahoo.com -- :drunk: so I can send you photos a better resolution.

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stage Nr: 6. Resita- (Rumänien) 13.14-09-1986 / Werner Hirschvogel #108 - Dacia 1300
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#560 nelutzu

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 14:32

FOTO : Table participants / Cup of Peace and Friendship (Cupa Pacii si Prieteniei) rund -5. Resita( Rum) 9.9.1984

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 14:51

FOTO:
# 24 VESELY J. (CSS) - ( Winner -1- ) Resita 9.9.1984 Cup of Peace and Friendship

https://lh4.googleus...ta CFP 1984.jpg

foto by CORNEL BIBIRI


#562 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 19:43

Brilliant contribution again, especially the 1984 race protocol :up:

#563 nelutzu

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 09:12

Slowly appear one more data and information, these last photos I have received from CORNEL BIBIRI (ex Formula EASTER driver in period 1985-1989 license number to CPF #112(1985-1986) an exceptional pilot, His only problem for him on the track was EUGEN PETEANU #111 :|


Resita 9.9.1984 Cup of Peace and Friendship / the paddock / cars ready to go to the start line
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Resita 9.9.1984 Cup of Peace and Friendship / cars ready for the start of the CPF
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#564 nelutzu

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 17:32

FOTO : Table participants Gr A2 / Cup of Peace and Friendship (Cupa Pacii si Prieteniei) rund -5. Resita( Rum) 9.9.1984

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#565 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 19:29

And once again many thanks for the results table!

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 20:07

We obviously know F1 drivers have huge fame around the world, F3 drivers much less so even in their own countries. How popular was F1 behind the Iron Curtain pre-Hungarian GP, and how famous were the Formula Easter drivers? Was it the sort of career that every schoolboy wanted, or seen as a bit of a hobby for the engineering set? :)

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 19:45

As to me, it's difficult to give any reliable answer, as I was at the child age at that time and became aware of Soviet racing far after its collapse :) Perhaps someone elder than me can answer?

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 20:44

Gr A2 / Cup of Peace and Friendship (Cupa Pacii si Prieteniei) rund -5. Resita( Rum) 9.9.1984
Winners:
#64 Grigoriev Aleksej. (URSS) - place - I
#23 Petr Samohyl (CSSR)- place - II
#22 TOMASEK Vlastimil. (CSSR)- place - III
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Posted 24 March 2011 - 21:05

although he had serious problems with the training session, TOMASEK finished in third place :drunk:

#22 TOMASEK Vlastimil. (CSSR)- place - III
https://lh6.googleus...ta CFP 1984.jpg



#570 nelutzu

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 21:32

We obviously know F1 drivers have huge fame around the world, F3 drivers much less so even in their own countries. How popular was F1 behind the Iron Curtain pre-Hungarian GP, and how famous were the Formula Easter drivers? Was it the sort of career that every schoolboy wanted, or seen as a bit of a hobby for the engineering set? :)


Do not know how it was for others, but here in Resita / ROMANIA, I was watching with interest the Formula Easter, for me was here at my house, F1 for me was very far, only in newspapers and magazines, impossible to see Live...

For me this competition of FORMULA EASTER was the most popular, until 1989 when it began to disappear....

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 21:36

Cup of Peace and Friendship (Cupa Pacii si Prieteniei) rund -5. Resita( Romania) 9.9.1984

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foto by CORNEL BIBIRI


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Posted 25 March 2011 - 20:49

# 72 TOOMAS NAPA - CPF - Resita / Rumunia - 1984 or 1986
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Thanks for sharing your pics Nelutzu was anyone unfortunate enough to use the circuit tyre barriers ?

At a time when drivers on the West side of the Iron Curtain were lucky to avoid getting killed by catch fence poles it appears drivers on the East side were lucky to avoid being killed by truck tyres :eek:

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:26

....was anyone unfortunate enough to use the circuit tyre barriers ?

Fortunately nobody suffered any damage, ..... after the race in 1984 in Resita the next competition took place in Galati(1985) ... then these competitions organized by Romania were held only in Resita in 1986, 1988 and 1989 ....

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.... drivers on the East side were lucky to avoid being killed by truck tyres :eek:

Yes, drivers have been lucky, still believe that those huge tires have been arranged for better visibility of the route, and obstacles, route is located in the city where there are numerous road signs, and those thin tubes were hard to see in high speed ...
As I said, fortunately everything was as drivers feel good in Resita, and return in large numbers every time the competition was held...

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 13:30

Fortunately nobody suffered any damage, ..... after the race in 1984 in Resita the next competition took place in Galati(1985) ... then these competitions organized by Romania were held only in Resita in 1986, 1988 and 1989 ....


Yes, drivers have been lucky, still believe that those huge tires have been arranged for better visibility of the route, and obstacles, route is located in the city where there are numerous road signs, and those thin tubes were hard to see in high speed ...
As I said, fortunately everything was as drivers feel good in Resita, and return in large numbers every time the competition was held...


I see what you mean with respect to the tyres being course markers and alerting drivers to thin obstacles, glad no one was hurt by them :wave:

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 15:00

Quite an original way to tell the drivers where to go and where not to go :) I wonder if there were any cases of these tyres rolling across the track after a push or a shock.

Edited by Alexey Rogachev, 27 March 2011 - 15:01.


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Posted 27 March 2011 - 19:11

... I wonder if there were any cases of these tyres rolling across the track after a push or a shock.

No, something did not happen in a competition CPF :drunk: with Track officials were involved and local authorities, police and army... :eek: everything for smooth running of the competition


Alexey, please tell me which cars(F - EASTER) in the period 1980 -1989 and now I run in competitions... They have FIA approval?
Easter cars manufactured in Romania never had approval, and after 1990 this is why cars(F Easter) have disappeared from the car competitions...

Do you know any site or place where you can buy a Formula Easter framework, approved by the FIA ???


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Posted 28 March 2011 - 06:13

I'm not absolutely sure in what I'm writing but F. Easter rated as the national formula (B-8 category), so its technical regulations weren't to be worked out by FIA itself but by national federations and/or clubs. The fact that it existed at once in a number of East European countries was a result of an accord between these federations in the early seventies to unify their technical regulations so as to work out a new formula for the Cup of Peace and Friendship instead of the old 1-litre Formula 3.

Re buying a F. Easter car... I've heard from my Estonian friends of an Estonia 20 brought to Romania in the nineties. No 'FIA approval', of course ;) You may try to trace and find it though.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 21:02

I'm not absolutely sure in what I'm writing but F. Easter rated as the national formula (B-8 category), so its technical regulations weren't to be worked out by FIA

Ok, I understand, and thank you

Re buying a F. Easter car... I've heard from my Estonian friends of an Estonia 20 brought to Romania in the nineties. No 'FIA approval', of course ;) You may try to trace and find it though.

I know of a car brought from Estonia, but do not know if this, one of the photographs brought in 1990, but do not know if the Estonia...
The car was brought in Cluj(Romania)1990 ... passed from one owner to another,.... without anyone to enter the contest racing .... that car was business subject only :evil: .. and it was the VW engine 1596cmc...

Can you tell me if this car is one ESTONIA 20 ??? ...unfortunately I still do not differentiate, I have to learn :drunk:

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 05:16

Definitely this is not the Estonia 20. Firstly, the car on your photos obviously has a monocoque chassis, and the E20 based on a tubular frame. Secondly, the front suspension seems to be a push-rod one, meanwhile the E20 had a good old coil-and-wishbone suspension. Thirdly, the side radiators position differs. I really cannot say what this car is.

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 11:14

Hi,
Is it possible that this is a mix of a Estonia 20 or 25 and a self made car body?
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Posted 30 March 2011 - 05:44

From Alexandr Sadovsky, the chief designer of the Estonia 25: this is definitely not the E25. I may add that this is not the Estonia 20 either. Most probably a self-made car...

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 19:28

So did each country in the Warsaw Pact start with a different number? Alphabetical order or something?


I just found a copy of 1984 Cup regulations (in Russian) and in point 2.6 it defines starting numbers as:
Poland 1-19
Czechoslovakia 20-39
Bulgaria 40-49
Hungary 50-59
Soviet Union 60-79
German Democratic Republic 80-99
Romania 100 to 120


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Posted 07 April 2011 - 20:17

In the early years of Cup, this rule does not always apply


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 14:32

I believe that the end to all exceptions to this rule was put in 1973, when the CPF began its new life.

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 20:32

I got some new images from CPF - Resita - Romania... but do not know what year it is ???
....seems to be the year 1989, after the circuit configuration... only in that year(1989) was made a short track race...

#64 – Toivo Asmer, (USSR) Estonia 21M ??? CPF Resita / Romania 198_?
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#64 – Toivo Asmer, (USSR) Estonia 21M ??? CPF Resita / Romania 198_?
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#64 – Toivo Asmer, (USSR) Estonia 21M ??? CPF Resita / Romania 198_?
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#64 – Toivo Asmer, (USSR) Estonia 21M ??? CPF Resita / Romania 198_?
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after car design, in what year you think it ?.... photographer says that in 1983 .... I say it's 1989
... and I say this because in 1983 could be on track the cars Lada Samara... ???

is .... or not?
#72 – Yury Katsay, USSR, Lada 2108 / SAMARA
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is .... or not?
#78 – Vladimir Egorov, USSR, Lada 2108
#22 – Vlastimil Tomášek, Czechoslovakia, Lada 2108
#72 – Yury Katsay, USSR, Lada 2108
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:drunk: interesting as they were to crash #22 to #72 ...but nothing happened.... :wave:
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Posted 10 April 2011 - 16:21

Looks like Year 1989.
In 1989 #22- Petr Bold

#587 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 18:32

...and Asmer's car is the Estonia 21.10 but not the 21M.

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 00:07

CPF Albena- Bulgaria .... What a year it be?

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 00:12

CPF Albena (Bulgaria)

#82 -Heiner Lindner HTS ???
#100- ???
#81 - Ulrich (Ulli) Melkus ???
#23 - ???

and another two cars :confused: not identify the numbers...

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 05:20

CPF Albena (Bulgaria)

#82 -Heiner Lindner HTS ???
#100- ???
#81 - Ulrich (Ulli) Melkus ???
#23 - ???

and another two cars :confused: not identify the numbers...

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This picture looks like from 1976:

82 Heiner Lindner HTS
?? Karel Jílek MTX 1-03
100 Sándor Kovács KH Forma C-9

23 Jiří Červa MTX 1-03
81 Ulli Melkus SEG
??? Promot?

but was no Albena race that year?

Edited by sat, 18 April 2011 - 05:22.


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Posted 18 April 2011 - 18:07

??? Promot?

looks like #5 Promot of Józef Kiełbania.

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 23:07

This picture looks like from 1976:

but was no Albena race that year?

CPF was not in 1976 in Albena... but definitely in 1977, 1978 and 1979 ....

1978 or 1979 may be this photo :drunk:
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# 23 Jiří Červa MTX 1-03
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Posted 19 April 2011 - 04:11

CPF was not in 1976 in Albena... but definitely in 1977, 1978 and 1979 ....

1978 or 1979 may be this photo :drunk:
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# 23 Jiří Červa MTX 1-03
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1977 23 Václav Lím Avia AE1 not match
1978 23 Jiří Červa MTX 1-03 but Melkus drive MT77 and Kovács raced with N. 50 ??
1979 23 Jiří Mičánek MTX 1-03 not match

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 07:06

I can not distinguish between the cars ... that's why I'll find out through you in what year is this photo ???...

Person who made ​​the pictures( Valentin Nemtanu) ... said he was as official Albena from Romania .... was part of romanian team sports officials ... but does not know in what year, because he was several times...

Edited by nelutzu, 19 April 2011 - 07:59.


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Posted 06 June 2011 - 14:58

This picture looks like from 1976:

82 Heiner Lindner HTS
?? Karel Jílek MTX 1-03
100 Sándor Kovács KH Forma C-9

23 Jiří Červa MTX 1-03
81 Ulli Melkus SEG
??? Promot?

but was no Albena race that year?



It is possible that this picture is from 1976 in Albena. There was a test race scheduled and only two cars per country approved.

I think #23 is Jiri Cerva. But #100? From GDR it is Lindner and Melkus (HTS)

BTW_ I will ask Heiner Lindner during the CLASSIC Grand PRIX on "Schleizer Dreieck" on begin of July


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:45

It is possible that this picture is from 1976 in Albena. There was a test race scheduled and only two cars per country approved.

I think #23 is Jiri Cerva. But #100? From GDR it is Lindner and Melkus (HTS)

BTW_ I will ask Heiner Lindner during the CLASSIC Grand PRIX on "Schleizer Dreieck" on begin of July


Hi all - I have a answer from Robert Stec (PL) regarding this picture:

"On Your photo from Albena (car in last row, behind number 23) there is a Promot from 1969 year, with Fiat
1500 engine, chassis number 26/69, driven by Jozef Kielbania."


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 18:14

CPF Albena- Bulgaria .... What a year it be?

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I will try to find the place - I will be in Albena during first two weeks of July.
It looks like the start, doesn't it?

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 14:37

What happened to this topic? Were some old pages lost? :eek: It has surely been started before 2009...

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 14:46

What happened to this topic? Were some old pages lost? :eek: It has surely been started before 2009...

Not lost, Alexander. Just put away for safe keeping until they fix some problems:

http://forums.autosp...howtopic=149797

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 14:59

Not lost, Alexander. Just put away for safe keeping until they fix some problems:

http://forums.autosp...howtopic=149797


Thank you. I was about to start worrying. I have not been here for a couple of weeks, so I have completely missed the announcement...