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#601 cornel1955

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 11:08

hello everybody....i am Cornel Bibiri from romania ex-easter racing pilot 1984-1989...a lot of photos was made by me and my wife but my memory is lost :stoned: ....of course last photos of Resita are made in 1989....my memory is back again :rotfl: ...Nelutz is "lost" in Italy , we hope he will give us a sign here on forum ...greetings all of you especialy Puru ,Alexey and Ferdie and many thanks for beautiful pictures and important informations

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#602 cornel1955

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 11:25

Hi all - I have a answer from Robert Stec (PL) regarding this picture:

"On Your photo from Albena (car in last row, behind number 23) there is a Promot from 1969 year, with Fiat
1500 engine, chassis number 26/69, driven by Jozef Kielbania."


#100 possible to be Kazakov from Bulgarie..is the same car Metalex racing on Vidraru in Romania in 1983... i am not sure about the year of Albena...i have photo with Kazakov on Vidraru made by me but i dont know to post here :rolleyes:

Edited by cornel1955, 20 June 2011 - 11:28.


#603 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 18:03

Welcome to TNF, Cornel, I'm glad to see you here :wave:

#604 cornel1955

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 18:17

Welcome to TNF, Cornel, I'm glad to see you here :wave:


hello Alexey, glad to see you too....i am happy because you an other friends on this forum don't forget old races and old pilots who made history in auto-sport...about 100 photos i posted on 4tuning in Romania...some photos are here 1 or 2 pages back... :clap:

#605 Alexander M

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 15:45

hello everybody....i am Cornel Bibiri from romania ex-easter racing pilot 1984-1989...a lot of photos was made by me and my wife but my memory is lost :stoned: ....of course last photos of Resita are made in 1989....my memory is back again :rotfl: ...Nelutz is "lost" in Italy , we hope he will give us a sign here on forum ...greetings all of you especialy Puru ,Alexey and Ferdie and many thanks for beautiful pictures and important informations


Hello Cornel, very happy to see a driver involved in F.Easter racing onboard! :clap:

#606 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 18:11

hello Alexey, glad to see you too....i am happy because you an other friends on this forum don't forget old races and old pilots who made history in auto-sport...about 100 photos i posted on 4tuning in Romania...some photos are here 1 or 2 pages back... :clap:

I wish they were of bigger size and better quality... and I'm sure I'm not the only person who does ;)

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 06:56

I wish they were of bigger size and better quality... and I'm sure I'm not the only person who does ;)


ok...with great pleasure i'll try to rescan a lot of photos at higher resolution and post it here, but this i think will not solve problem....photos was made by a Smena 8 camera and ORWO film b/w...glad to meet you Alexander and many thanks for replay :wave:

Edited by cornel1955, 25 June 2011 - 07:00.


#608 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 07:38

In any way, if you do so we will be very grateful, as your photo archive is of great value :up:

Edited by Alexey Rogachev, 25 June 2011 - 07:38.


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Posted 11 July 2011 - 07:42

Hi all - I have a answer from Robert Stec (PL) regarding this picture:

"On Your photo from Albena (car in last row, behind number 23) there is a Promot from 1969 year, with Fiat
1500 engine, chassis number 26/69, driven by Jozef Kielbania."


I had meet Mr. Heiner Lindner on the Classic Grand Prix "Schleizer Dreieck" last weekend (http://www.puru.de/sch11.html)
I had now a clarify view regarding the picture from Albena 1976.
- The race was only a test. No start and no timing – only demonstration.
- Only two racers per country.
- Sandor Kovacz (#100-H), Lindner (#82-GDR), behind Karel Jilek (CZ), Ulli Melkus (#81-GDR), Jozef Kielbania (PL) und Jiri Cerva (#23-CZ).
- The other racer is also from Hungaria
- the race was scheduled on end of September or begin of October 1976
- no touring cars invited

Heiner Lindner resells his HTS-Chassis to Sandor Kovacz during the way back home (in Budapest).

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Posted 16 July 2011 - 07:43

Just a quick note - I have just returned home after two weeks in Albena.
I walked a lap of the track. I will show some photos once I settle down back here.

Generally - it looks not much hanged here since 1980s

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 21:30

Just a quick note - I have just returned home after two weeks in Albena.
I walked a lap of the track. I will show some photos once I settle down back here.

Generally - it looks not much hanged here since 1980s


well... I found some photos of Albena from 1970s and now I know what changed - a trees...

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#612 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 16:20

Thank you, Grzegorz, please go on :up: I also enjoy visiting old circuits and comparing their present-day views with old photographs taken at the same places (BTW, I hope I'll be at Bikernieki on August, 6-7 :wave: ).

Could you please mark the positions of your photos on a space image (e. g. from Google Earth)?

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 06:21

Hi all,

Please have a look at this link: http://www.ceskeokru...-a-slavu--11665

This is from Havirov-Senov. But which year?

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 16:15

Hi all,

Please have a look at this link: http://www.ceskeokru...-a-slavu--11665

This is from Havirov-Senov. But which year?

BR
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Some pictures from 11.5.75 and some from 26.9.76

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 17:42

I do realize that it may be off-topic, but I think this subject should be mentionned here.

I just learned about formation of V4, a circuit racing championship created by federations of Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary.

News is here:
http://wyscigi.autok...chodzi-v4,38085

Name comes from Visegrad Group

I suggest that if anyone wants to discuss this subject he/she should create a new topic in Racing Comments - I will find it.

Grzegorz Chyła

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 10:52



R.I.P. Aleksej Grigorjew

http://avdeyenko.liv...com/119726.html

#617 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 15:10

Very sad news, Ray. The interview that you've given the link to is in Russian, so people here possibly cannot understand who Grigoriev was. In brief: the one of the most successful Soviet racing drivers of the eighties, double USSR champion (1983, 1986) and double CPF winner (1983, 1988). He always raced in the A2 group of saloon cars, and his number 64 was as famous as Napa's 72 or Kozankov's 68.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 17:06

Hi - it seems we lost another good guy.
R.I.P. Janis Alliks (1946 -2012)

http://www.balticrac...p...as&news=272

#619 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 18:30

The video of the 1986 CPF round at Schleiz: . Not the full race, but all its key moments moments are present.

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#620 GrzegorzChyla

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:50

You may find it interesting to know that last friday Longin Bielak was driving a formula car - for first time in 40 years!
here is some info and photos:
http://wyscigi.autok...a-bielaka,43256

It was great to see him in such a great condition.

#621 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 14:45

How old is he now?

#622 David McKinney

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 15:06

Good question - he first raced at least as early as 1953, and that's nearly 60 years ago ;)

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 16:34

He is 86 years old

#624 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 20:00

Maybe this is a world record of longevity in motor racing...

#625 Tim Murray

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 21:20

He certainly deserves an entry in this thread:

Long lasting careers

#626 David McKinney

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 21:30

If this was his first race for 40 years, it hardly qualifies as "longevity"...

#627 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 18:06

But it's in any way remarkable. Have we any hope to see him (and other Polish drivers) in Riga at the Dzintara Volga in September?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:32

1986 Hungaroring - start > 13:50



#629 GrzegorzChyla

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:55

But it's in any way remarkable.

I have to check this, but I think he first took part in a rally as early as 1948.
He finished his racing career about 1970, but since then he occasionally participated in rallies.
This run I mentioned before was definitely not a competition, he just drove a few short laps on a twisty track.

But in recent years he regularly takes part in a rally for veterans organized near Cracow: Rajd Żubrów (Bisons' Rally).
In 2011 he was classified 2nd behind Sobiesław Zasada. AFAIK there is age coefficient in classification, but nevertheless it is an outstanding performance from both drivers.

Have we any hope to see him (and other Polish drivers) in Riga at the Dzintara Volga in September?

I am trying to convince them to do this, but I doubt any of them will come this year.

Please note that it will not be Longin Bielak driving this Promot, but his son Paweł - who has some rally backgrounds but still needs to improve his single-seater skills.



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Posted 12 October 2012 - 21:33

We are coming now to what we began with - I've managed to find the full results of the third round of the 1966 Cup of Peace and Friendship, which I'm happy to share here.

Place Car no. Driver Country Laps Time Fastest lap
1 81 Heinz Melkus GDR 24 38'39" 1'32.2"
2 1 Longin Bielak Poland 24 39'28" 1'36.0"
3 83 Frieder Rädlein GDR 24 39'46" 1'36.7"
4 31 László Bognár Hungary 22 39'35" 1'45.0"
5 5 Józef Kiełbania Poland 22 39'53" 1'34.2"
6 29 Tibor Szeles Hungary 22 40'19" 1'47.4"
7 65 Yuri Andreev USSR 21 39'01" 1'47.0"
8 63 Viktor Lapin USSR 21 39'33" 1'47.0"
9 7 Yakov Vartpatrikov USSR 20 39'02" 1'52.8"
NC 15 István Sulyok Hungary 9 40'16" 1'49.0"
DNF 28 Evgeny Glukharev USSR 9
DNF 3 Władysław Szulczewski Poland 5 1'34.4"
DNF 20 Ferenc Demmel Hungary 2
DNF 66 Ants Seiler USSR 2 1'43.2"
DNF 80 Herbert Armstroff GDR 0
DNS 2 Antoni Weiner Poland

Edited by Alexey Rogachev, 12 October 2012 - 21:38.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 21:53

Alexey, in your opinion which drivers, if any, could have been F1 stars had they raced outside the Iron Curtain? Logically the USSR should have had three or four drivers as good as the top British or French names of the time.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 06:10

I think there were many but most of them didn't have any chance to try their luck in international racing. The only chance to take part in a race abroad was the CPF national team, which was normally comprised of four drivers and two 'reserves'. Among its long-time members I would name as possible F1 stars Yuri Andreev, Madis Laiv, Toomas Napa, Alexandr Medvedchenko, and Viktor Kozankov.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 15:34

Not Ants Seiler?

And to partially answer the rest of Ensign's question, there were probably a couple of Czechoslovakian and East German drivers who would fit in that category, and a Pole or two

But it's impossible at this distance (in time and geography) to judge accurately without having seen any of them in action :)

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 16:22

Definitely you are right: we didn't see them in action so we seem to start one of those 'what-if' discussions in this 'fluff-free zone' :) But going on what I have read and heard of Ants Seiler (there's a very good Estonian book about him published some years ago), he was a racing cars designer first of all. The very first Estonia single-seater, which appeared in 1958, was mostly a result of his tireless work and enthusiasm. Then he created the Estonia 2, the Estonia 3 and so on. He used to pay much more attention to designing and building cars than driving them. Nevertheless he won the 1961 USSR championship at the wheel of the 500-cc Estonia 3 and took the second place twice (1965 and 1966 1-litre F3 championships). But his international racing career was too short: he died in a racing accident in Riga in June 1968 (the last bend of the Bikernieki circuit is called Seiler since then).

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 17:30

Alexey touches on a very important point, here: in these races, technology and mechanical "wizardry" could make a BIG difference. I still recall my astonishment when, back in the eighties, Paul Sheldon published one of his first Black Books and formed the opinion that East German Paul Greifzu may have been on par with Fangio as a driver. In my opinion, Greifzu was "merely" a clever engineer, who beat his rivals in his workshop.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 19:17

We did see Kozankov in British F3 - Urmas Pold looked better as his team-mate, but of course they were very much one-off races.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 18:53

Heyyy, Good evening friends :wave some work for you all, ....

In the picture below we have two cars that I see them two years in competition TRENTO BONDONE, how old are these machines ?

# 319 TYKAL Petr / / MTX 1.03
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#358 Mikov Ondrej / CEHIA / Formula Easter MTX 1.03
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#638 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 19:19

According to "Československé formule" by Michal Velebný, MTX 1-03 were in production in 1975 to 1981.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 19:43

According to "Československé formule" by Michal Velebný, MTX 1-03 were in production in 1975 to 1981.


ist interesting to me if these cars have participated to The Cup of Peace and Friendshipr, :drunk:

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#640 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 19:55

If you mean the 1-03 type altogether - then definitely yes. But if you mean exactly the cars that you have photographed... then you should: firstly, know their chassis numbers, and secondly, consult a specialist in Czechoslovak racing history, Velebný himself maybe  ;)

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 21:01

ist interesting to me if these cars have participated to The Cup of Peace and Friendshipr, :drunk:

See:
http://www.euromonta...d...6/75/&lng=2
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http://www.euromonta...d.../1976&lng=2

I doubt that these particular cars ever run in Cup of Friendship - of type 1-03 there were 53 made (according to Velebny's book). There were only 4 cars from each country, and for Czechoslovakia usually at last 2 places were taken by Lim's Avia and Vesely's RAF.
I have some papers from Polish rounds of the Cup, so if it is really important I can check chassis numbers of Czechoslovak team cars.

There were six 1-03s sold to Poland, most of them at some occasion participated in the Cup. I know that 3 of them still exist.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 20:32

Thanks a lot guys, for me was a great pleasure revisit these 2 cars, :drunk: even in the city (RESITA / Romania) where I grew up I could admire them....

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:11

Thanks a lot guys, for me was a great pleasure revisit these 2 cars, :drunk: even in the city (RESITA / Romania) where I grew up I could admire them....

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foto by Cornel Bibiri


cars 21 ond 23 are MTX 1-06. MTX 1-03 can be further in grid in Bulgarian hands.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 05:43

Dear all,

 

I found this old topic while I searched information on my racecar. Nowadays I own the racecar of Andras Gergely, which was built in '86 or '88 - I' not sure.

I'm looking for any information, photos of the car, so if anybody has some more in his archives, please post it here, or contact me in PM.

 

Alexey Rogachev linked a page, with more photos on this car (http://www.racinghis...Riga/index.html) but unfortunately I didn't find anything there...

Has somebody archived these photos before they lost?

 

Also, if anybodys interested, I'll gladly share some photos on current state of the car.

 

I found an old advertisement here: http://www.race-cars...098698577ss.htm

 

It seems the car was modified somewhere in the past, the chassis is longer, this means the fairing is modified also, the small wing over the gearbox has disappeared, the fairing over the instrument panel has a small bulge, but this is the same car definitely.

 

 

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Photos from the second - the support-race 1986:

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