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#101 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 05 June 2004 - 05:03

1973 Cup of Peace and Friendship - round 2 (USSR, Minsk)
June, 3
Track: Borovaya
Track length: 4.030 km
F. Easter
Race distance: 15 laps (60.450 km)
Fastest lap: ?
Drivers started: 19
Race results:
1. Wolfgang Küther GDR Küther Eigenbau Lada 28'30.5"
2. Madis Laiv USSR Estonia 18 Lada 28'36.6"
3. Heinz Melkus GDR Melkus 71 Wartburg 28'51.1"
4. Ulrich Melkus GDR Melkus 71 Wartburg 28'54.2"
5. Henri Saarm USSR Estonia 18 Lada 28'57.0"
6. Wolfgang Krug GDR SEG Lada 29'03.4"
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8. Jan Soukup CZE Metalex 1107 Škoda
9. Enn Griffel USSR Estonia 18 Lada
10. Jiři Rosicky CZE Metalex 1107 Škoda
11. Anatoly Alkhimovich USSR Estonia 18 Lada
...
13. Karel Jilek CZE Metalex 1107 Škoda
...
17. Ivan Friedl CZE Metalex 102 Škoda
...
DNF Albin Patleich CZE Metalex 1107 Škoda

Nations Cup: 1. GDR 134 pts 2. USSR 122 pts 3. CZE 104 pts 4. POL 99 pts

Tourings (1600 cc)
Race distance: 15 laps (60.450 km)
Fastest lap: ?
Drivers started: 18
Race results:
1. Oldřich Brunclik CZE Škoda 120S 30'07.3"
2. Milan Žid CZE Škoda 110R 30'08.0"
3. Jaroslav Bobek CZE Škoda 120S 30'09.3"
4. Andrzej Wojciechowski POL Polski FIAT 125P 30'56.9"
5. Yuri Terenetski USSR Moskvich 412 30'57.1"
6. Manfred Günther GDR Wartburg 353 31'45.8"
...
10. Vikis Oleka USSR Lada 2101
11. Eduard Pistunovich USSR Lada 2101
...
13. Arnold Dambis USSR Moskvich 412
...
DNF Karel Jilek CZE Metalex-Lada 2101
DNF Dalibor Janek CZE Metalex-Lada 2101

Nations Cup: 1. CZE 139 pts 2. GDR 113 pts 3. USSR 109 pts 4. POL 104 pts

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#102 fines

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Posted 13 June 2004 - 20:54

This is a wonderful thread, and I hope you guys keep at it for a long time. I just wish I could contribute more...

#103 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 13:35

Thank you, Michael, I'll try to justify your hopes :)

#104 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 09:11

A couple phrases from the review of the 1974 Minsk CPF round, published in 'Svet Motoru', 24, 1974:

...sedme misto si mezi 24 vozy vybojoval se škodovkou o objemu 1150 cm3 dalši ès. Representant, Jar. Kovaø.

(...the seventh place amongst 24 cars was taken by other Czechoslovakian driver, Jaroslav Kovaø, who was driving a 1150 cc Škoda.)

What Škoda was it? As far as I know, both 110R and 120S were equipped with 1107 cc engines...

...Polak Jagelsky, ktery jediny z jednadvadceti startujicich skupiny C9 mel ve svem voze motor o objemu 1500 cm3.

(...Polish driver Jagelsky, who was the only one at the wheel of 1500 cc car amongst 21 C9 (i. e. F. Easter) starters.)

Truly unbelievable! It is well-known that F. Easter limited engines' capacity by 1300 cc... Can anyone explain why Jagelsky raced a 1500 cc car nevertheless? And what car was it?

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 14:06

Polish driver Jagelsky, who was the only one at the wheel of 1500 cc car




some time was allowed to Polish racers to use Polski Fiat engines from Formula Polonia (IIRC), is possible that was 1500?

#106 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 30 July 2004 - 08:25

Yes, the http://www.motor.pol...25p/index-a.htm web-site says there were various versions of 125P, including the 1500 cc one. But I don't understand why cars equipped with 1.5-litre engines were allowed to be raced in F. Easter events! Maybe Andrzej is capable to make the situation more clear... :confused:

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Posted 31 July 2004 - 21:38

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
...sedme misto si mezi 24 vozy vybojoval se škodovkou o objemu 1150 cm3 dalši ès. Representant, Jar. Kovaø.

(...the seventh place amongst 24 cars was taken by other Czechoslovakian driver, Jaroslav Kovaø, who was driving a 1150 cc Škoda.)

What Škoda was it? As far as I know, both 110R and 120S were equipped with 1107 cc engines...


Škoda engines were:

988ccm (68x68mm) as used in Škoda 100
1107ccm (72x68mm) as used in Škoda 110 and 110R
1144ccm (73,2x68mm) with special head as used as above for racing in class up-to 1150ccm
1174ccm (72x72mm) as used in production versions of Škoda 120S
1289ccm (75,5x72mm) as used in factory Škoda 120S and later in Škoda 130RS

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Posted 04 August 2004 - 20:14

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
But I don't understand why cars equipped with 1.5-litre engines were allowed to be raced in F. Easter events!


In year 1974 in accordance with the regulation of the CPF Polish team could start with two formula cars with 1500cc engines (Formula Polonia).
Likewise in touring cars class started cars with 1600 engines. Example: two FSO factory cars with engines from Fiat 132 (1600) with drivers Andrzej Jaroszewicz and Robert Mucha.
Note: real name is Jagielski (Stefan Jagielski).

#109 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 05:53

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Posted 11 August 2004 - 19:05

1974 Cup of Peace and Friendship, round 1 (USSR)
Date: June, 2
Venue: Borovaya
Circuit length: 4.030 km

F. Easter
Race distance: 23 laps = 92.690 km
Fastest lap: ?
Drivers started: 21
Race results:
1. Karel Jilek CZE Metalex 102 Škoda
2. Ulrich Melkus GDR Melkus Lada
3. Jiři Šmid CZE Metalex 102 Škoda
4. Hartmut Thassler GDR Küther Eigenbau Lada
5. Madis Laiv USSR Estonia 18 Lada
6. Enn Griffel USSR Estonia 18 Lada
...
DNF Wolfgang Küther GDR Küther Eigenbau Lada – lap 16, accident
DNF Albin Patleich CZE Metalex 102 Škoda – lap 16, accident
DNF Jiři Rosicky CZE Metalex 102 Škoda – fuel system failure
DNF Stefan Jagielski POL

Nations Cup: 1. CZE 2. USSR 3. GDR 4. POL

Tourings (1600 cc)
Race distance: 23 laps = 92.690 km
Fastest lap: ?
Drivers started: 24
Race results:
1. Jaroslav Bobek CZE Škoda 120S
2. Milan Žid CZE Škoda 120S
3. Oldřich Brunclik CZE Škoda 120S
4. Robert Mucha POL Polski FIAT 125P
5. Andrzej Jaroszewicz POL Polski FIAT 125P
6. Peter Mücke GDR Wartburg 353 -1 lap
7. Jaroslav Kovař CZE Škoda 110R -1 lap
...
11. Eduard Pistunovich USSR Lada 2101
12. Valdis Melnbardzis USSR Moskvich 412
13. Valery Ankuda USSR Lada 2101
...
DNF Yakov Lukyanov USSR Lada 2101 – lap 9, accident
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DNS Andrzej Wojciechowski POL Polski FIAT 125P
DNS Alexandr Oczkowski POL Polski FIAT 125P
(both weren't allowed to start as they hadn't taken part in the qualifying, arriving to Minsk when the session had been over)

Nations Cup: 1. CZE 2. POL 3. GDR 4. USSR 5. BUL

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Posted 12 August 2004 - 18:36

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
1974 Cup of Peace and Friendship, round 1 (USSR)
...
DNF Jiři Rosicky CZE Metalex 102 Škoda – fuel system failure
...


Alexey,

in book AUTOMOBILOVÝ POHÁR MÍRU A PØÁTELSTVÍ from Ing.Zdenìk Èížek is on the page covering Minsk race this sentence: " Eight place of Ing.Rosický was enough for ÈSSR to hold out successfully also in the competition of teams".

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Posted 12 August 2004 - 18:40

...there is also mentioned there, that Ing.Rosický had problems with carburetor and Jagielski ended in the last corner without petrol...

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#113 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 12 August 2004 - 18:44

Oh, that was my mistake :cry:
I have found the same phrase in the aforementioned article from 'Svet motoru':

Rosicky, ktery vady karburatoru dohanel rychlou juzdou s kopce a v zataèkach, pøispel svym osmym mistem k vitezstvi tymu ÈSSR take ve skupine C9.

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Posted 12 August 2004 - 19:53

DNS Alexandr Oczkowski POL Polski FIAT 125P



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#115 Muzza

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Posted 12 August 2004 - 21:22

Slightly off-topic... does anyone know which language pack would allow me to display Polish, Slovak and Czech characters in Microsoft Access?

We are having trouble to display these special characters; even if we import them from Word (where they are displayed corectly), they are automatically replaced by some weird things such as ASC 188 when pasted into Access!

Similar help with a language pack for Turkish language would be much appreciated. I have spent some ten hours in phone calls to Microsoft and Hewlett Packard, and many more hours at their manuals and websites, but so far nothing has worked...

Thanks,


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#116 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 17 August 2004 - 11:45

Anyone who as the result (or any information) about the race in Budapest 1966, july 3 or july 10?

Stefan

#117 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 17 August 2004 - 13:16

Hi Stefan,

Here is what I have on that CPF event:

1. Vladimir Hubaček CZE Melkus Wartburg
2. Heinz Melkus GDR Melkus Wartburg
3. Józef Kielbania POL Rak Wartburg
...
8. Ants Seiler USSR Estonia 9 Wartburg

Nations Cup: 1. GDR 2. CZE 3. POL 4. HUN 5. USSR

Not very much indeed, but that's all what I have found...

#118 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 17 August 2004 - 17:15

Thanks Alexey, you are a star!

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 17:39

Budapest, 12 June 1966 (1st round of the CPF championship in 1966).
25 laps x 3150 m = 78,75 km

1. Vladimir Hubaèek (CS) Melkus Wartburg, 42:26,4 = 111,3 km/h
2. Heinz Melkus (DDR) Melkus Wartburg, + 0,2 s
3. Józef Kielbania (PL) Rak Wartburg, + 1:39,1
4. Siegfried Leutert (DDR) SEG Wartburg
5. Longin Bielak (PL) Rak Wartburg
6. Christian Pfeiffer (DDR) SEG Wartburg
etc.

First position: 1-25 lap - Hubaèek

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#120 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 19:05

Thanks Anjakub! :clap:
The date, june 12 - are you sure?

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Posted 27 August 2004 - 21:13

I have also 12 June

and

10. Alois Gbelec
11. Kutra
14. Vladimír Valenta (Fuel pump)

all from Czechoslovakia

#122 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 06:16

Stefan, I guess that you had started collecting the 1966 F3 data, hadn't you?

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 09:38

I have reverse order of the Czechoslovakian drivers:
10. Vladimir Kutra (CS) Wartburg
11. Vladimir Valenta (CS) Wartburg
14. Alois Gbelec (CS) Wartburg

and retired:
Wladyslaw Szulczewski (PL) Rak Wartburg
Antoni Weiner (PL) Rak Wartburg

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 13:40

I have reverse order of the Czechoslovakian drivers:




): my mistake :mad:

#125 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 14:06

Alexey, please have a "preview":
http://www.formula2....F366_IndexE.htm

Stefan

#126 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 14:46

:up: :up: :up:

I also have the results of the last CPF round of that year, held in Czechoslovakia - they are a bit more detailed than you have on your site (thanks to IMV for them). They're as follows:

1. Jerzy Jankowski (POL) Rak Cosworth 38'13.5"
2. Vladimir Hubaček (CZE) Melkus Wartburg 38'34.6"
3. Heinz Melkus (GDR) Melkus Wartburg 39'01.4"
4. Frieder Rädlein (GDR) Melkus Wartburg -1 lap
5. Peter Findeisen (GDR) Melkus Wartburg -1 lap
6. Wladyslaw Szulczewski (POL) Rak Wartburg -1 lap
7. Vaclav Bobek (CZE) Škoda F3 -1 lap

Also I can provide you with the results of Soviet 1966 F3 events - please let me know if you need them.

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 15:14

please let me know if you need them.



Yes, please! Anything which can make the results pages more complete.

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#128 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 16:02

OK, I'll try to post them to you tomorrow :)

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 18:35

Stefan, please correct dates of the 1966 Cup of Peace and Friendship:
June 12 - Budapest (H)
June 26 - Warszawa, Babice airfield (PL)
July 29 - Leningrad, Nevskoe Koltso (SU)
August 14 - Schleiz (DDR)
September 25 - Praha, Strahov (CS)

#130 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 18:50

Thanks. :clap:
You guys are so kind!

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#131 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 19:32

Originally posted by anjakub
July 29 - Leningrad, Nevskoe Koltso (SU)

Andrzej,

The Leningrad event was held on July, 23, not 29 - see my web-site: http://ussr-autospor.../1966fscc3.html. The date featured on Stefan's 1966 F3 index page is correct.

#132 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 19:40

Alexey! You have never told me that you have a web-site! Great!
Many years ago I tried to learn cyrillic letters. Now I have to find my notes and books from that evening course... or use babelfish but there I got very strange results!

Stefan

#133 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 19:51

Stefan,

Have you ever seen this image above my posts on this BB?;)
Posted Image

I started my web site on June 30, 2003 - this image have been here for more than a year... :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 22:11

Originally posted by Stefan Ornerdal
Alexey, please have a "preview":
http://www.formula2....F366_IndexE.htm

Stefan


Hi Stefan,

Stramberk 15.6.1966, 1st round of CSSR Championship

two heats 10x6,1=61km, the final race (20 drivers) 15x6,1=91,5km


1. 2 Jaroslav Bobek, AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3, 42:20,2
2. 1 Vladimír Hubáèek, Dukla Praha, Melkus Wartburg, 43:10,0
3. 49 Vladimír Skopal, AMK Habartov, Hamal Wartburg, 14 laps
4. 11 Otto Buchberger, ARC Brno, Drak II. Wartburg, 14 laps
5. 20 Zdenìk Køivohlavý, AMK Taxi Praha, Chelík I. Wartburg, 14 laps
6. 7 Vladimír Kutra, Pøáslavice u Olomouce, KU-PR Wartburg, 14 laps
7. 28 Karel Babolka, ARC Brno, Ryba Wartburg
x. 44 František Trefanec, Šlapanice, Drak I. Wartburg
x. 10 Vladimír Havlík, ARC Brno, WHV Wartburg

DNF
4 Josef Brázda, ARC Brno, Brázda DKW
12 Alois Gbelec, ARC Brno, Gbelec II. Wartburg
6 Václav Bobek st. , AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3
21 Ing.Libor Kroupa, AMK Ingstav Brno, Kroupa Wartburg
3 Milan Nevole, AMK Habartov, Hamal Wartburg

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#135 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 22:49

Ooooh, thank you, thank you... :clap:

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 03:21

1.5.1966 Brno 25 laps


1. Škoda F3 - Jaroslav Bobek - AZNP Mladá Boleslav - 25:13,300
2. Škoda F3 - Václav Bobek st. - AZNP Mladá Boleslav - 25:14,400
3. Brázda IV-DKW - Josef Brázda - ARC Brno - 26:12,200
4. Melkus-Wartburg - Vladimír Hubáèek - Dukla Praha
also raced:
Mustang-Wartburg - Vladimír Valenta
Wartburg - Robotka


and in 4.9.1966 it was Mezinárodní závod automobilu better ů (u with ring)

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 09:48

Nearly a year ago I wrote small reviews of 1986-1990 Cup of Friendship and posted it on Russian historical forum (now it closed). But this summer I've started to prepare English version of these stories. So, as soon as possible I'll post it here at TNF.
But now I have a little question (first of all to Alexey :)). Alexey, you named your this thread as ''…Cup of Peace and Friendship…" Is it official name of the 1966 Cup? I thought that word Peace was added to name of the Cup only in 1990, because then rules was changed and to start at the Cup allowed not only competitors from Eastern Europe, but also from others countries. But before it I think that name of competition was Socialist Countries Cup of Friendship. Is it right or not?

#138 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 10:03

Sergey,

Frankly speaking, I don't know what was the correct official name for the racing series being discussed on this thread :confused: In Soviet magazines & books, it was called 'Friendship of Socialist Countries Cup', and I featured the same in the results that I sent to Darren Galpin in autumn 2002. But later I met sat and anjakub here on TNF, and they have said this series to be definitely 'Cup of Peace and Friendship'. Also I have read a number of race summaries in Czechoslovakian and Polish magazines, and there were the following names featured:

Pohar miru a přatelstvi in Czech

Puchar pokoju i przyjazni in Polish

I hope you needn't speaking and reading these languages fluently to understand that it means 'Cup of Peace and Friendship'.

So I decided to call the series 'Cup of Peace and Friendship' on TNF as well as in my correspondence, and "Êóáîê Äðóæáû ñîöèàëèñòè÷åñêèõ ñòðàí" ('Friendship of Socialist Countries Cup') on my web-site and on Russian motorsport forum. Also I am used to say "Êóáîê Äðóæáû" ('Cup of Friendship') instead of these long names.

Well, I hope my explanations have satisfied your request... :wave:

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 11:25

In sixties in czech press it was Pohár ZST (Pohár zemí socialistického tábora) = cup of socialist camp countries, no idea was it official or not.

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 14:43

Thanks!

In "Za Rulem" magazine name Cup of Peace and Friendship (without words 'Socialist Coountries' and with word 'Peace') first appeared in 1990, then it became open for drivers and manufactures not only from socialist countries.

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 16:26

In sixties - Cup of socialist countries or Cup of countries of people's democracy.
From seventies - Cup of Peace and Friendship ( I don't remeber from which year).

#142 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 17:03

I guess that there was no official name for CPF at all... :eek: So many countries, so many customs... :

BTW, I' trying to collect the translations of the phrase 'Cup of Peace and Friendship' into the official languages of the states that took part in CPF. I need its translations into Hungarian and Bulgarian now. Can anyone help?

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 20:18

In end of year 1972 on conference of automobile federations from socialist countries was taken decision about new official name for racing and rallies series - Cup of Peace and Friendship.

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 20:21

On conference in Warsaw.

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 21:16

So, on my website, shall I call the 1966 series "Cup of Friendship of Socialist Countries"? It would be nice to do like Alexey intend to do, have the names in their own languages. In latin letters!

Have I got this right, was it 5 rounds 1966:
1. 12.06 Ferihegy Airfield, Budapest
2. 26.06 Babice Airfield, Warsaw
3. 23.07 Nevskoe Koltso, Leningrad
4. 15.08 Schleizer Dreieckrennen
5. 25.09 Strahov Stadion, Prague

I have no information of the round in Poland. Anyone? anjakub?

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 22:35

Originally posted by sat
1.5.1966 Brno 25 laps .....


....non championship race

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 22:45

Most, 18.9.1966, 2nd round of CSSR championship
Two heats 15x3=45km, the final race 20x3=60km

1. 2 Jaroslav Bobek, AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3, 20
2. 15 Miroslav Fousek, AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3, 20
3. 51 Jiøí Srnský, AZNP Vrchlabí, Škoda Lucia, 19
4. 45 Jan Öhm, AMK Litomìøice, Öhm Wartburg, 19
5. 20 Zdenìk Køivohlavý, AMK Taxi Praha, Chelík I. Wartburg, 16
6. 59 MUDr.Jiøí Pech, AMK Synthezia Pardubice, Kupr Škoda, 16

DNF
22 Karel Cejnar, Dukla Ústí n.Orlicí, Dukla Wartburg
6 Václav Bobek st. , AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3
1 Vladimír Hubáèek, Dukla Praha, Melkus Wartburg

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 03:21

I assume that Polish race was in 1966 cancelled.

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 05:47

Originally posted by sat
I assume that Polish race was in 1966 cancelled.


No

Polish racing calendar 1966:
29 May - Radom
26 June - Warszawa (with CPF round)
9 October - Lancut
26 November - Kraków
Results later.
Polish F3 champion 1966 - Józef Kielbania.

PS. Stefan - letter l in name Kielbania as l in first name Rafal Szombierski. You know this guy.

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 08:12

Originally posted by anjakub
In end of year 1972 on conference of automobile federations from socialist countries was taken decision about new official name for racing and rallies series - Cup of Peace and Friendship.

Thank you, anjakub. So, my version of 1990 was wrong :


Originally posted by Stefan Ornerdal
So, on my website, shall I call the 1966 series "Cup of Friendship of Socialist Countries"?

Yes, but maybe "The 1966 Socialist Countries Cup of Friendship" is better?