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#151 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 14:04

PS. Stefan - letter l in name Kielbania as l in first name Rafal Szombierski. You know this guy.


Yes. How did you know? Poor Rafal, no luck in league racing, neither in Sweden or Poland. He is a talented rider and I hope he will do better next year.

I shall try to set-up my keyboard so I can write Polish l, and Czech diacretics...

Thanks all for your help.

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#152 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 14:11

Here are the translations of the phrase 'Cup of Peace and Friendship' into the official languages of the states which national teams took part in CPF, in order of joining:

1963
Polish: Puchar pokoju i przyjazni
German: Pokal für Frieden und Freundschaft
Hungarian: ?

1964
Czech: Pohar miru a přatelstvi
Slovak: Pohar miru a priatelstva

1966
Russian: Кубок мира и дружбы

1974
Bulgarian: ?

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Romanian: Cupa de pace şi prietenie

#153 st59cz

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 15:08

Slovak: Pohar mieru a priatelstva



#154 anjakub

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 17:49

Geza and Mihai please help.

Hungarian: Béke Barátság Kupa (?)
Romanian: Cupa Pāci ºi Prieteniei (?)

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 19:30

Hi Alexey, Andrzej,

in Polish magazin Motor from 1967 and 68 I found "Puchar Krajow Socjalistycznych", in the same source from 1969 is "Puchar Przyjazni KS"

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 19:41

Michal, not any problem.
In sixties used several different name. For example in Poland: "Puchar Krajow Socjalistycznych" and "Puchar Przyjazni Krajow Socjalistycznych", in Czechoslovakia: "Zavod Druzby Narodu" and "Pohar ZST", etc.

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 20:00

Originally posted by st59cz
In sixties in czech press it was Pohár ZST (Pohár zemí socialistického tábora) = cup of socialist camp countries, no idea was it official or not.


...not only in press, here are official programs :

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 21:06

Stefan,

Cena Prachovských skal was in sixties no hillclimb, but race circuit:

Cena Prachovských skal, Jièín, 31.7.1966, international race

8x14,5=116km
Pole position Jaroslav Bobek 6-25,2

1. 2 Jaroslav Bobek, ÈSSR, Škoda F3, 51:36,3
2. 111 Leo Mattila, FIN, Cooper T76, 52:00,5
3. 15 Miroslav Fousek, ÈSSR, Škoda F3, 52:47,6
4. 96 Christian Pfeiffer, DDR, Melkus Wartburg, 55:59,4
5. 87 Manfred Brettschneider, DDR, Melkus Wartburg, 56:15,0
6. 11 Otto Buchberger, ÈSSR, Drak II. Wartburg, 56:35,0
7. 49 Vladimír Skopal, ÈSSR, Hamal Wartburg, 58:22,4
8. 20 Zdenìk Køivohlavý, ÈSSR, Chelík I. Wartburg, 59:00,8
9. 3 Milan Nevole, ÈSSR, Hamal Wartburg, 7
10. 7 Vladimír Kutra, ÈSSR, Kupr Wartburg, 7
11. 22 Karel Cejnar, ÈSSR, Dukla Wartburg, 7
12. 4 Josef Brázda, ÈSSR, Brázda DKW, 7
13. 17 Jan Husták, ÈSSR, Gbelec I. Wartburg, 6

DNF
97 Joachim Willmann, DDR, SEG Wartburg, in lap 2
28 Karel Babolka, ÈSSR, Ryba Wartburg, 2
30 Kai Gudenhjelm, FIN, Lotus 22, 2
6 Václav Bobek st., ÈSSR, Škoda F3, 3
12 Alois Gbelec, ÈSSR, Gbelec II. Wartburg, 4
8 Ing.Vladislav Ondøejík, ÈSSR, Delfín 65 Škoda, 5
10 Vladimír Havlík, ÈSSR, Kondor Wartburg, 7
89 Siegfried Leutert, DDR, SEG Wartburg, 7

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 21:49

Wow! Looking at the map, this must be a fantastic race course! :love:

Thanks, Michal and all of you who have participated in this thread.
It's getting better and better... more and more information.
I hope you guys can decide the right names for this races, and then tell me - in latin letters! :lol:

Stefan

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#160 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 08:28

Andrzej, Michal, sat,

I think that we would never come to an agreement in the question of the correct official name of CPF. It changed year after year, there were many names in a number of countries... So I suggest to call this racing series 'Cup of Peace and Friendship of Socialist Countries', CPFSC in brief, not depending on current year and venue.

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 19:13

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
Andrzej, Michal, sat,

I think that we would never come to an agreement in the question of the correct official name of CPF. It changed year after year, there were many names in a number of countries... So I suggest to call this racing series 'Cup of Peace and Friendship of Socialist Countries', CPFSC in brief, not depending on current year and venue.


Alexey,

from my point of view you can let it simplified to CPF as you used until now....

Michal

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 19:21

Alexey, I agree with Michal. Simply: Cup of Peace and Friendship (CPF).

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Posted 02 September 2004 - 03:34

I vote for CPF too..

#164 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 02 September 2004 - 07:29

OK, let's call it CPF. Brevity is the soul of wit, isn't it? :)

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Posted 11 September 2004 - 22:34

Stefan,

here I have something from 1967:

Závod mezi pavilony, BVV Brno(=Brno Fairs and Exhibitions), 1.5.1967, 1st round of CSSR championship

2 Heats 2x1,7km, the final race 35x1,7=59,5km, 15 cars
Results
1. 1 Jaroslav Bobek, AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3, 35:21,2
2. 3 Miroslav Fousek, AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3, 35:48,2
3. 4 Otto Buchberger, ARC Brno, Drak II. Wartburg, 34 laps
4. 23 Vladimír Skopal, AMK Habartov, Hamal Wartburg, 34
5. 50 Miloš Vlèek, Praha, Magda Wartburg, 34
6. 15 Jiøí Srnský, AZNP Vrchlabí, Škoda Lucia, 32
7. 56 Stanislav Votava, AMK Bøezová, Hamal Wartburg, 32
8. 48 Ivan Èermák, AMK Radotín, Èermák Wartburg, 32
9. 9 Karel Cejnar, Dukla Ústí n.Orlicí, Dukla Wartburg, 31
10.42 Jan Öhm, AMK Litomìøice, Öhm Wartburg, 28
11. 5 Vladimír Kutra, Pøáslavice, Kupr Wartburg, 24
12. 37 Oldøich Brunclík, AZNP Vrchlabí, Škoda Lucia, 17
13. 7 Zdenìk Køivohlavý, AMK Taxi Praha, Chelík I. Wartburg, 10

DNF
21 Václav Bobek st., AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3, at lap 26
2 Vladimír Hubáèek, Dukla Praha, Melkus Wartburg, at lap 13

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Posted 12 September 2004 - 16:04

Continue :

Pod štramberskou Trúbou, Štramberk, International race, 18.6.1967
(race for invited CPF members, but not oficial CPF round, which was held later in Brno)
final race for 10x6,1=61km, 17 cars
Results
1. 1 Jaroslav Bobek, ÈSSR, Škoda F3, 27:12,4
2. 2 Vladimír Hubáèek, ÈSSR, Melkus Wartburg, 27:16,2
3. 21 Václav Bobek st., ÈSSR, Škoda F3, 27:53,0
4. 10 Alois Gbelec, ÈSSR, Gbelec III. Wartburg
5. 3 Miroslav Fousek, ÈSSR, Škoda F3
6. Herbert Armstroff, DDR, Melkus Wartburg 9 laps
7. 8 Jan Husták, ÈSSR, Gbelec I. Wartburg, 9
8. Sobieslaw Nowak, Pol, RAK Wartburg, 9
9. Willy Lehmann, DDR, SEG Wartburg, 9
10. Joachim Krause, DDR, Melkus Wartburg, 9
11. 73 Sandor Kiss, Hun, DKW, 9
12. 77 Dr.Miklos de Sorgo, Hun, DKW, 8
13. 76 György Fülöp, Hun, DKW, 8

DNF
72 Antal Nemeth, Hun
O.Bartkowiak, Pol, RAK Wartburg
H.Nowowiak, Pol, RAK Wartburg
Brettschneider, DDR, Melkus Wartburg

Can anybody help with startnumbers ?
Can anybody help with more exact specification of cars of Hungarian drivers ?
Does anybody know which of two Brettschneider brothers this one could be?

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Posted 12 September 2004 - 16:14

Continue:

Pod štramberskou Trúbou, Štramberk, 2nd round of ÈSSR championship, 18.6.1967
2 heats 5x6,1km, final race for 8x6,1=48,8km, 17 cars
Results
1. 3 Miroslav Fousek, AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3, 21:44,2
2. 2 Vladimír Hubáèek, Dukla Praha, Melkus Wartburg, 21:47,6
3. 1 Jaroslav Bobek, AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3, 21:59,8
4. 21 Václav Bobek st., AZNP Ml.Boleslav, Škoda F3, 22:04,4
5. 10 Alois Gbelec, ARC Brno, Gbelec III. Wartburg, 23:04,8
6. 22 Karel Babolka, ARC Brno, Vlasta Wartburg,
7. 8 Jan Husták, AMK Jihlava, Gbelec I. Wartburg,
8. 48 Ivan Èermák, AMK Radotín, Èermák Wartburg, 7 laps
9. 42 Jan Öhm, AMK Litomìøice, Öhm Wartburg, 7 laps
10. 6 Vladimír Havlík, ARC Brno, Kondor Wartburg, 7 laps
11. x
12. x
13. x

DNF
15 Jiøí Srnský, AZNP Vrchlabí, Škoda Lucia
37 Oldøich Brunclík, AZNP Vrchlabí, Škoda Lucia
4 Otto Buchberger, ARC Brno, Drak II. Wartburg
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Posted 12 September 2004 - 16:47

Originally posted by IMV
8. Sobieslaw Nowak , Pol, RAK Wartburg, 9


Michal, are you sure?

In 60's we have two F3 drivers with name Nowak - Jerzy and Henryk.

O.Bartkowiak, Pol, RAK Wartburg = Otto Bartkowiak
H.Nowowiak, Pol, RAK Wartburg = Henryk Nowak

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Posted 12 September 2004 - 19:23

Originally posted by anjakub

Michal, are you sure?

In 60's we have two F3 drivers with name Nowak - Jerzy and Henryk.

O.Bartkowiak, Pol, RAK Wartburg = Otto Bartkowiak
H.Nowowiak, Pol, RAK Wartburg = Henryk Nowak


Andrzej - no, I am not sure, this result is not from official printed results, but from hand-written report from race from manager of AZNP Vrchlabí team. So such a small mistake is possible... . But it brings new question - Jerzy or Henryk ?

Michal

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Posted 12 September 2004 - 20:59

Thanks Michal and anjakub.
Anything about 1964?

Stefan

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 04:48

Unfortunately I don't have much information on the 1964 CPF. Here are the results of Czechoslovakian round (Velka Cena ČSSR), held on August, 22 at Brno (thanks to IMV for them) :

1. Max Byczkowski GDR Melkus Wartburg
2. Frieder Rädlein GDR Melkus Wartburg
3. Siegfried Seifert GDR SEG Wartburg
4. Jerzy Jankowski POL Rak Wartburg
5. Heinz Melkus GDR Melkus Wartburg
6. Longin Bielak POL Rak Wartburg
7. Vladimir Valenta CZE Mustang Wartburg

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 19:03

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
Unfortunately I don't have much information on the 1964 CPF. Here are the results of Czechoslovakian round (Velka Cena ČSSR), held on August, 22 at Brno,10 laps = 139,4 km (thanks to IMV for them) :

1. Max Byczkowski GDR Melkus Wartburg 1-05:32,6
2. Frieder Rädlein GDR Melkus Wartburg 1-06:09,9
3. Siegfried Seifert GDR SEG Wartburg 1-06:11,8
4. Jerzy Jankowski POL Rak Wartburg 1-06:26,7
5. Heinz Melkus GDR Melkus Wartburg 1-06:32,3
6. Longin Bielak POL Rak Wartburg 1-09:26,7
7. Vladimir Valenta CZE Mustang Wartburg
Fastest lap Max Byczkowski 6:25,4 = 130,2 km/h


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Posted 14 September 2004 - 19:14

Závod automobilù - Brno - Výstavištì, BVV Brno(=Brno Fairs and Exhibitions), 17.5.1964, 1st round of ÈSSR championship
2 heats 20x1,7km, the final race for 20x1,7=34km, 10 cars

Results
1. 9 Ing.Jiøí Gajdoš, Tatra Kopøivnice, Tatra Delfín, 22:05,2
2.10 Jiøí Pìlucha, Tatra Kopøivnice, Tatra Delfín, 22:25,4
3. 8 Vladimír Kutra, Pøáslavice, Kupr Škoda, 22:39,0
4. 4 Vladimír Valenta, ARC Brno, Mustang Wartburg, 22:24,0
5.12 Oldøich Šusta, AMK Plzeò, Pauer Ford 105E, 19 laps
6. 1 Josef Brázda, ARC Brno, Brázda Wartburg, 15
7.13 Jiøí Vohralík, AMK Habartov, Hamal Wartburg, 14
8. 5 Jan Husták, AMK Jihlava, Tatra Škoda, 4
9. 3 Otto Buchberger, ARC Brno, Drak I. Wartburg, DNF

DNS
25 Zdenìk Køivohlavý, AMK Taxi Praha, Gbelec Jr. Wartburg


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Posted 14 September 2004 - 19:40

Cena Prachovských skal, Jièín, International race and 2nd round of ÈSSR championship, 5.7.1964
10x14,5 = 145 km
Results:
1. 25 Manfred Brettschneider, DDR, Melkus Wartburg, 1-08:27,6
2. 9 Ing.Jiøí Gajdoš, ÈSSR, Tatra Delfín, 1-10:02,4
3. 10 Jiøí Pìlucha, ÈSSR, Tatra Delfín, 1-11:12,3
4. 6 Alois Gbelec, ÈSSR, Gbelec I. Wartburg, 1-11:48,5
5. 18 Oldøich Šusta, ÈSSR, Pauer Ford 105E, 1-14:43,6
6. 2 Otto Buchberger, ÈSSR, Drak I. Wartburg, 1-16:02,8
7. 4 Jan Husták, ÈSSR, Tatra Škoda, 1-16:03,6
8. 13 Vladimír Havlík, ÈSSR, WHV Wartburg, 8 laps
9. 17 Jiøí Vohralík, ÈSSR, Hamal Wartburg, 8

DNF
26 Peter Brettschneider, DDR, Melkus Wartburg
27 Günter Klug, DDR, Melkus Wartburg
19 Jaroslav Šustr, ÈSSR, Svazarm Škoda
21 Josef Brázda, ÈSSR, Brázda Wartburg
7 Vladimír Kutra, ÈSSR, Kupr Škoda
22 Arnošt Vávra, ÈSSR, AVA Wartburg
20 Jindøich Kondziolka, ÈSSR, SAM Škoda
15 Václav Poživil, ÈSSR, Jiskra III. Wartburg
3 Vladimír Valenta, ÈSSR, Mustang Wartburg
12 Zdenìk Køivohlavý, ÈSSR, Gbelec Jr. Wartburg
1 Stanislav Chelík, ÈSSR, Chelík I. Wartburg


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Posted 14 September 2004 - 19:55

Michal, may I ask you why there aren't the names of leading Czechoslovakian drivers of the 60s in the 1964 results that you've posted here? I see neither Vladimir Hubaček nor Jaroslav Bobek nor Vaclav Bobek nor Miroslav Fousek... Did they take part in the national championships or in international events only?

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 20:24

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
Michal, may I ask you why there aren't the names of leading Czechoslovakian drivers of the 60s in the 1964 results that you've posted here? I don't see neither Vladimir Hubaček nor Jaroslav Bobek nor Vaclav Bobek nor Miroslav Fousek... Did they take part in the national championships or in international events only?


Alexey, they didn´t have any cars. Melkus Wartburg car for Vladimír Hubáèek was ready first during winter 64/65. First Škoda F3 car rolled out on the beginn of 1964, but factory took developement very seriously and didn´t start until the car was enough competitive. They rather all 1964 year tested the car and developped the engine. With this first prototype car still with aluminium bodywork started in the first half of 1965 season Václav Bobek st. and from 1965 CPF Brno race, when he with his brother Jaroslav jumped into two new cars, this prototype was driven by Miroslav Fousek. From begin 1966 season he obtained (built) also new car, which is today displayed in the National Technical Museum in Prague.

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Posted 15 September 2004 - 18:48

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
Here are the results of Czechoslovakian round (Velka Cena ÈSSR), held on August, 22 at Brno...



The day after:

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 20:46

Andrzej,

nice pictures, but the first one is start from the same race, but 1965.

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Posted 17 September 2004 - 23:07

Velká cena ÈSSR, mezinárodní závod automobilù, Brno, 23.7.1964
12 laps = 167,3km


1. 33 Leo Mattila, Fin, Lotus, 1-06:13,7
2. 45 Rolf Scheel, D, Cooper, 1-06:43,5
3. 4 Jerzy Jankowski, PLR, RAK Wartburg, 1-07:08,9
4. 41 Günter Schramm, D, Cooper, 1-07:45,3
5. 15 Longin Bielak, PLR, RAK Wartburg, 1-07:55,2
6. 1 Max Byczkowski, DDR, Melkus Wartburg, 1-08:45,4
....

12. 6 Alois Gbelec, ÈSSR, Gbelec I. Wartburg,
13. 28 Oldøich Šusta, ÈSSR, Pauer Ford E105,
15. 19 Vladimír Kutra, ÈSSR, Kupr Škoda,
17. 10 Ing.Jiøí Gajdoš, ÈSSR, Delfín Tatra,


DNF
5 Vladimír Valenta, ÈSSR, Mustang Wartburg
32 Roman Dirschl, D, Lotus
7 Heinz Melkus, DDR, Melkus Wartburg

Waiting for start...
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Posted 18 September 2004 - 09:37

Michal,
many thanks.

Jerzy Jankowski is waiting for start (1965)
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Posted 18 September 2004 - 09:52

Back to the history of Soviet CPF rounds - the 1975 event ;)

Date: June, 1
Venue: Borovaya
Circuit length: 4030 m
Weather conditions: rain

F. Easter (all cars with VAZ (Lada) engines)
Race distance: 23 laps = 92.690 km
Drivers started: 20
Drivers finished: 18
Race results:
1. Madis Laiv USSR Estonia 18 - 46'24.0" = 119.9 km/h
2. Vladislav Barkovsky USSR Estonia 18 - 45'25.6"
3. Vladimir Grekov USSR Estonia 18 - 46'50.8"
4. Jiři Červa CZE Metalex 102 - 47'55.8"
5. Heiner Lindner GDR HTS - 48'07.6"
6. Karel Jilek CZE Metalex 103 - 48'08.0"
7. Hartmut Thassler GDR HTS - 23 laps
8. Jiři Rosicky Metalex 102 - 23 laps
9. Valery Lukashevich USSR Estonia 18 - 22 laps
10. Józef Kielbania POL Promot - 22 laps
11. Otto Bartkowiak POL Promot - 22 laps
12. Wolfgang Krug GDR SEG - 22 laps
13. Anatoly Alkhimovich USSR Estonia 18 - 22 laps
14. Elmo Salm USSR Estonia 18 - 22 laps
15. Stefan Jagielski POL Promot - 22 laps
16. Ulrich Melkus GDR Melkus - 22 laps
17. Albin Patleich CZE Metalex 102 - 21 laps
18. Enn Griffel USSR Estonia 18 - 18 laps
DNF Mikhail Lvov USSR Estonia 18 - 14 laps
DNF Jükk Reintam USSR Estonia 18 - 14 laps

Teams:
1. USSR 169
2. CZE 148
3. GDR 144
4. POL 104

Tourings - 1600 cc
Race distance: 23 laps = 92.690 km
Drivers started: 20
Drivers finished: 15
Race results:
1. Milan Žid CZE Škoda 130RS - 49'16.8" = 112.9 km/h
2. Vitaly Bogatyrev USSR VAZ 2103 - 49'17.2"
3. Oldřich Brunclik CZE Škoda 130 RS - 49'21.4"
4. Oldřich Horsak CZE Škoda 130 RS - 49'22.6"
5. Ksawery Frank POL Polski FIAT 125P - 49'23.2"
6. Alexandr Zamyslov USSR VAZ 2103 - 50'12.3"
7. Yury Terenetsky USSR Moskvich 412 - 23 laps
8. Eduard Pistunovich USSR VAZ 2103 - 23 laps
9. Yuvenaly Kryukov USSR VAZ 2103 - 23 laps
10. Valery Ankuda USSR VAZ 2103 - 22 laps
11. Turchuk - 22 laps
12. Nikolov BUL - 22 laps
13. Valdis Melnbardzis USSR Moskvich 412 - 22 laps
14. Kudlaty - 21 laps
15. Yakov Lukyanov USSR VAZ 2103 - 20 laps
DNF Iliev Tsarsky BUL - 16 laps
DNF Petr Bold CZE VAZ 2103 Metalex - 6 laps, accident
DNF Semen Anikin USSR VAZ 2103 - 4 laps
DNF Tuchenishky - 4 laps
DNF Stefan Krynchev BUL - 3 laps

Teams:
1. USSR 157
2. CZE 134
3. POL 112
4. BUL 101

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Posted 18 September 2004 - 11:31

One´s more 64´ :

Cena Slovenska, Piešany, International race and 3rd round of ÈSSR championship, 12.7.1964
15x7,25 = 108,75 km, 25 cars
Results

1. 23, Max Byczkowski, DDR, Melkus Wartburg, 51:50,2
2. 27, Christian Pfeiffer, DDR, SEG Wartburg, 53:36,6
3. 21, Josef Brázda, ÈSSR, Brázda Wartburg, 14 laps
4. 19, Jaroslav Šustr, ÈSSR, Svazarm Škoda, 14
5. 3, Vladimír Valenta, ÈSSR, Mustang Wartburg, 14
x 7, Vladimír Kutra, ÈSSR, Kupr Škoda,
x 4, Jan Husták, ÈSSR, Tatra Škoda,
x 6, Alois Gbelec, ÈSSR, Gbelec I. Wartburg,
x 13, Vladimír Havlík, ÈSSR, WHV Wartburg,

DNF
29, Stephan Sklenar, A, Lotus

Michal

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Posted 21 September 2004 - 16:32

Unfortunately I don't have much information on the 1964 CPF. Here are the results of Czechoslovakian round (Velka Cena ČSSR), held on August, 22 at Brno,10 laps = 139,4 km (thanks to IMV for them) :



and

Velká cena ÈSSR, mezinárodní závod automobilù, Brno, 23.7.1964



Two races named "Velka Cena"?

Could it be the same race, but different heats, held august 22-23 or july 22-23?


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Posted 21 September 2004 - 22:13

2 races on newly updated track (13,94km) :

on Saturday 22.8.1964 Cup race
and Sunday 23.8.1964 Interantional race

July is mistake in all probability

#185 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 05:55

Michal, sat, may I ask you what was 'Štramberska trúba' under which a number of F3 races was held in the 60s? Does it mean 'Štramberk chimney-stalk' or any other kind of 'trúba'? :confused:

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 06:55

Štramberská trúba is a castle tower.

#187 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 19:20

Thanks, Eugen! My knowledge in Czech language and history are modest indeed... :blush:

To anjakub: could you please tell me the names of the following Polish drivers who raced in the 1975 Minsk CPF round:

Turczuk
Kudlaty
Tuczeniszki

Did they all (and Ksawery Frank as well) drive Polski FIAT 125P tourings? And why did they take part in the race instead of more experienced drivers - Aleksander Oczkowski, Andrzej Wojciechowski, and Andrzej Jaroszewiecz?

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 19:34

Tadeusz Kudlaty
Tadeusz Turczuk

Tuczeniszki - I don't know this name.

In CPF 1975 the members of Polish team were Ksawery Frank, Tadeusz Kudlaty, Tadeusz Turczuk and Bohdan Walknowski. All drove Polski Fiat 125p.

#189 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 20:00

Andrzej, as ever your help was immediate and excellent :clap: Many thanks!

Originally posted by anjakub
Tuczeniszki - I don't know this name.

Perhaps he was a Bulgarian driver? :confused: Only a surname in the lap chart published in 'Za Rulem' (the word in the red frame)... but what a puzzle to solve!

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Originally posted by anjakub
In CPF 1975 the members of Polish team were Ksawery Frank, Tadeusz Kudlaty, Tadeusz Turczuk and Bohdan Walknowski. All drove Polski Fiat 125p.

One more difficulty - there is no Walknoswki is the lap chart above! Either it isn't full or Walknowski DNS in this race?

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 22:48

Originally posted by sat
2 races on newly updated track (13,94km) :

on Saturday 22.8.1964 Cup race
and Sunday 23.8.1964 Interantional race :up:

July is mistake in all probability


(I mixed date of race with my birthday :blush: :rotfl: )
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Posted 21 October 2004 - 14:22

The Czech "Automobil" magazine (1978, #3) says that the 1977 CPF winner, Karel Jilek, was driving a car called MTX - Wilkinson Sword. The article says it was a modified version of MTX 1-03, but it says nothing about its unusual name. There is a number of photos where one can see an emblem on the front of the car - two crossed swords and the words 'WILKINSON SWORD'. What was the origin of this name?

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 03:39

'WILKINSON SWORD' was brand of razor blades, sponsor of Jilek.

#193 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 14 December 2004 - 20:09

1976 Cup of Peace and Friendship - round 1

Date: June, 6
Venue: Borovaya
Circuit length: 4030 m

F. Easter
Race distance: 23 laps = 92.690 km
Drivers started: 27
Drivers finished: 24
Fastest lap: Anatoly Alkhimovich (1'46.6" = 136.098 km/h)
Race results:
1. Madis Laiv USSR Estonia 18M Lada - 41'40.4" = 133.452 km/h
2. Anatoly Alkhimovich USSR Estonia 18 Lada - 23 laps
3. Jükk Reintam USSR Estonia 18M Lada - 23 laps
4. Karel Jílek CZE Metalex 103 Lada - 23 laps
5. Jiři Červa CZE Metalex 102 Lada - 23 laps
6. Albin Patlejch CZE Metalex 102 Lada - 23 laps
7. Heiner Lindner GDR HTS Lada - 23 laps
8. Enn Griffel USSR Estonia 19 Lada - 23 laps (+58")
9. Vladimir Grekov USSR Estonia 18 Lada - 23 laps
10. Ulrich Melkus GDR Melkus Lada - 23 laps
11. Petr Samohýl CZE Metalex 102 Lada - 23 laps
12. Mait Lucha USSR Estonia 19 Lada - 23 laps
13. Jiři Rosický CZE Metalex 103 Lada - 23 laps
14. Aleksander Oczkowski POL Promot FIAT - 23 laps
15. Toomas Napa USSR Estonia 19 Lada - 23 laps
16. Valery Lukashevich USSR Estonia 18 Lada - 23 laps
17. Mark Balezin USSR Estonia 16M Lada - 23 laps
18. Martin Biernacki POL Promot FIAT - 23 laps
19. Mikhail Lvov USSR Estonia 18 Lada - 23 laps
20. Józef Kielbania POL Rak-Promot FIAT - 22 laps
21. Raul Sarap USSR Estonia 18M Lada - 22 laps
22. Wolfgang Günther GDR HTS Lada - 22 laps
23. Wolfgang Krug GDR SEG III Lada - 22 laps
DNF Vladislav Barkovsky USSR BPS-Estonia Lada
DNF Stefan Jagelski POL Promot FIAT - 5 laps
DNF Otto Bartkowiak POL Promot FIAT - 1 lap

Teams:
1. USSR 130
2. CZE 120
3. GDR 96
4. POL 83

Tourings - 1600 cc
Race distance: 23 laps = 92.690 km
Drivers started: 23
Drivers finished: 15
Fastest lap: Oldřich Brunclík (1'46.0" = 136.867 km/h)
Race results:
1. Oldřich Brunclík CZE Škoda 130RS - 41'49.2" = 132.984 km/h
2. Jaroslav Bobek CZE Škoda 130RS - 23 laps
3. Milan Žid CZE Škoda 130RS - 23 laps
4. Zdenek Vojtech CZE Šlkoda 130RS - 23 laps
5. Vitaly Bogatyrev USSR Lada 21011 - 23 laps
6. Yakov Lukyanov USSR Lada 21011 - 23 laps
7. Yuvenaly Kryukov USSR Lada 21011 - 23 laps
8. Valery Vaishvila USSR Lada 21011 - 23 laps
9. Peter Mücke GDR Wartburg 353 - 21 laps
10. Lothar Tomas GDR Škoda 120S - 21 laps
11. Pal Gaal HUN Lada 2101 - 20 laps
12. Valdis Melnbardzis USSR Lada 21011 - 20 laps
13. Dezso Kiss HUN Lada 2101 - 20 laps
14. Valery Ankuda USSR Lada 21011 - 20 laps
15. Bernd Zimmermann GDR Škoda 120S - 18 laps
DNF Vikis Oleka USSR Lada 21011 - 18 laps
DNF Harry Kindel USSR Lada 2101 - 16 laps
DNF Alexandr Zamyslov USSR Lada 21011 - 12 laps
DNF Vladimir Glushkov USSR Lada 21011 - 5 laps

Teams:
1. CZE 139
2. USSR 117
3. GDR 101
4. HUN 66

Some questions regarding these race results.

First, what are the entries left in F. Easter race (one unknown entry left) and in tourings race (four entries)? As the race was held in Soviet Union, I guess the unknown entries were Soviet drivers, so no-one on TNF can say who they were - I ask this question just in case.

Second (to anjakub first of all) : according to Polish 'Motor' weekly, in the 1976 Polish Champioship Kielbania was driving Rak-Promot, Oczkowski and Jagelski were driving Promots. Was this state kept in CPF event as well? And what was the difference between the 1976 versions of Promot and Rak-Promot?

Third, a very obscure thing. The qualifying results list, published in 'Stop' magazine, says the front row to consist of four cars, those of Lucha, Rosický, Reintam, and Jílek, and the second row of three cars - Grekov, Griffel, Laiv. But I have seen a couple of photos of the starting field... there were three cars in the first row (#21 Jílek, #70 Reintam, #24 Rosický ), and two cars in the second row (#62 Griffel, #69 Laiv). I have no idea where Lucha (who must be a poleman, as he had made the fastest qualifying lap - 1'45.0") and Grekov were. Judging by the lap chart, they started from the second half of the grid - but why?

IMV, sat: je v Českém Internetě nějaký fórum o sportě automobilovém?

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Posted 15 December 2004 - 19:41

Rak-Promot’s were built in 1967. These machines used different engines – Cosworth, Wartburg, etc. The next Polish racing car was Promot. First series produced in years 1971-1973 counted 3 cars – one with engine Polski Fiat 125p 1500 and two with engines Polski Fiat 125p 1300. In second series (1975-1977) were 6 cars – all with engines 1300.

The start position of Lucha, it is a simple question. Lucha was not the member of the USSR team. First positions were for members of national teams, the rest started from the second half of grid. In our socialist countries most important was team classification not individual.

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Posted 15 December 2004 - 20:45

Andrzej, :up:!

Did Promots have any indices that allowed to differ one series from another?

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Posted 15 December 2004 - 20:57

Yes, of course. In the future I will prepare photos of Promots from all series.

#197 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 15 December 2004 - 21:17

Oh, my bad English... :blush: By the word 'index' I have meant the type of the car - was it marked by letters, or numbers, or words?

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 07:03

In order to complete my 1967 review — soon, i.e. when complete, to be dispatched to anybody who cares — I am looking for this missing information :

- 01.05 Brno Vystaviste F3 qualifying heats (both classifications & length).
- 21.05 Györ F3 complete results (I only know the 4 first classified). Length of circuit ? Race length ?
- 04.06 Kraków F3 complete results (I only know first 3 classified). Length of circuit ? Race length ?
- 17-18.06 Stramberk F3 qualifying heats (both classifications & length).
- 09.07 Jicin F3 results (I only know the winner, Václav Bobek). Race length ?
- 30.07 Piest'any F3 complete results (I only know the 6 first classified). Race length ?
- 30.07 Tallinn F3 — any information newly unveiled ?
- 20.08 Prievidza F3 results (I only know the winner, Hubacek). Length of circuit ? Race length ?
- 02-03.09 Brno F3 Friendship race complete results (I only know 5 first classified). Race length ?
- Praha Strahov F3 results (I only know the winner, Jankowski) & date. Length of circuit ? Race length ?

If possible, complete entry lists for every F3 round in Czechoslovakia (including Stramberk & Brno)

A lot of things isn't it ? Sorry to annoy.

#199 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 08:09

The race at Pirita circuit in Tallinn was cancelled because of the accident that happened in Tbilisi in April. Six spectators were killed in it, so a number of races was cancelled in 1967, not only Tallinn event - for instance, Soviet CPF round, that was sheduled to take place on July, 23 in Leningrad, was also cancelled.

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 10:36

Originally posted by Jimmy Piget
In order to complete my 1967 review — soon, i.e. when complete, to be dispatched to anybody who cares — I am looking for this missing information :
...
- 09.07 Jicin F3 results (I only know the winner, Václav Bobek). Race length ?
...

CENA PRACHOVSKÝCH SKAL
Jièín 14,5 km INT 9.7.1967
8 laps= 116 km
Results
1. Václav Bobek st., ÈSSR, Škoda F3, 8 laps, 53:45,1
2. Miroslav Fousek, ÈSSR, Škoda F3, 8,53:46,7
3. Kai Godenhjelm, Fin, Repco Brabham, 8, 54:38,0
4. Ovavi Kuikka, Fin, Cooper, 8, 55:43,5
5. Frieder Rädlein, DDR, Melkus Wartburg, 8
6. Karel Babolka, ÈSSR, Vlasta Wartburg, 8
7. Kristian Pfeiffer, DDR, SEG Wartburg, 8
8. Vladimír Kutra, ÈSSR, KU-PR Wartburg, 8
9. Jan Öhm, ÈSSR, Öhm Wartburg, 7
10. Ing.Vladislav Ondøejík, ÈSSR, Delfín 65 Škoda, 7
11. Zdenìk Køivohlavý, ÈSSR, Chelík I. Wartburg, 7
12. Istvan Sulyok, Hun, Melkus Wartburg, 7
13. Vladimír Havlík, ÈSSR, Kondor Wartburg, 7
14. Karel Cejnar, ÈSSR, Dukla Wartburg, 7
15. Sandor Kiss, Hun, Wartburg, 7

DNS
Vladimír Valenta, ÈSSR, VUT SAAB

DNF
Alois Gbelec, ÈSSR, Gbelec III.Wartburg
Otto Buchberger, ÈSSR, Drak II. Wartburg
Jan Husták, Gbelec I. Wartburg

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