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#201 Rob29

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 12:19

Very interesting stuff here but I am a bit confused by the nationality codes.What is 'ESSR'? is that the same as USSR?
Suggest we stick to the official FIA codes?
SU= soviet union
PL=poland
DDR-was eastern germany
CS=chechoslovakia
H=hungary

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#202 David McKinney

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 12:44

As most of the contributors to this thread are from Eastern Europe, I am quite confortable with them using the abbreviations that are familiar to them
ÈSSR is obviously Czechoslovakia ;)

#203 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 18:20

Andrzej, here is a photo of Rak that took part in the 1966 Leningrad CPF round. I scanned it from an old magazine, so its quality is very low... :(

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What type of Rak is it? Is it Rak 64 or any modified version of it?

#204 anjakub

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 10:40

Alexey, it looks like Rak 66. Number 3 - Wladyslaw Szulczewski.

#205 Jimmy Piget

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 19:11

Originally posted by Jimmy Piget
In order to complete my 1967 review — soon, i.e. when complete, to be dispatched to anybody who cares — I am looking for this missing information :
- 01.05 Brno Vystaviste F3 qualifying heats (both classifications & length).
- 21.05 Györ F3 complete results (I only know the 4 first classified). Length of circuit ? Race length ?
- 04.06 Kraków F3 complete results (I only know first 3 classified). Length of circuit ? Race length ?
- 17-18.06 Stramberk F3 qualifying heats (both classifications & length).
- 30.07 Piest'any F3 complete results (I only know the 6 first classified). Race length ?
- 30.07 Tallinn F3 — any information newly unveiled ?
- 20.08 Prievidza F3 results (I only know the winner, Hubacek). Length of circuit ? Race length ?
- 02-03.09 Brno F3 Friendship race complete results (I only know 5 first classified). Race length ?
- Praha Strahov F3 results (I only know the winner, Jankowski) & date. Length of circuit ? Race length ?
If possible, complete entry lists for every F3 round in Czechoslovakia (including Stramberk & Brno)
A lot of things isn't it ? Sorry to annoy.


About Stramberk, I read in another thread there were 34 cars entered — I only have 24 in my data...

#206 anjakub

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 19:56

The same

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Polish round of CPF in Szczecin 1969 - Ksawery Frank

#207 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 20:49

Thanks! This is Rak 66, no doubt... But now I'm really confused with the variety of Polish cars in CPF in 1968-76 :confused: As far as I know, there were two types of Promots (1971, and 1975), one type of Rak-Promot (1967), and some types of Raks (1961, 1964, 1966, and perhaps some types are missed here) - I guess that two or more types of cars listed here could be raced along with each other for two or three seasons. Also the 1967 type of Promot was mentioned in some books and magazines, being powered by Cosworth and Wartburg - were they the same cars than Rak-Promot? And when did Rak-Promots stop racing - in 1976, they were still on tracks, weren't they?

#208 anjakub

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 20:12

Polish formula cars, it is very difficult question.
In our racing programmes by the drivers names very rarely used names and types of the formula cars. More often appeared (according to the times) definitions - Junior, Rak, Polonia, Ester or simply Formula.

Please, short list of the Polish formula cars:
Rak 61
Rak 62
Rak 64
Rak 65
Rak 66
Rak-Promot 67
Promot 71 (popular name Formula Polonia) - I version - built 3 cars
Promot 75 (Formula Polonia) II version - 6 cars
Promot 77 (Formula Ester) I version - 6 cars
Promot 79 (Formula Polonia-Ester) - 5 cars
Promot 81 (Formula Ester) II version - 5 cars
Promot 83 (Formula Ester) III version, 1st series - 5 cars
Promot 85 (Formula Ester) III version, 2nd series - 6 cars

Extra:
Beta Junior and Delta Junior in 1962
JJ-01 (from constructor and driver Jacek Jurzak) - 1982-1983

When when did Rak-Promots stop racing I don't know. At times Polish drivers were rebuilding cars.

#209 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 10 February 2005 - 20:38

Hi guys,
time to bring up this thread again...
I am trying to update my F3 1968 files and I am asking for help one more time...
Russian races is very well covered, thanks to Alexey Rogachev, but I have not much from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary.

Many thanks in advance, for any kind of information!

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#210 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 15:19

I have resumed my search for the results of Soviet CPF rounds - now it's time for the 1977 event. I have succeeded in finding the complete results table with a great help from a person from Germany - unfortunately he isn't a member of TNF - but, as usual, there are some questions regarding that race that I cannot answer... But, of course, the results table first :)

1977 Cup of Peace and Friensdhip - round 1

Date: June, 5
Venue: Borovaya
Circuit length: 4.030 km

F. Easter
Race distance: 23 laps = 92.690 km
Drivers started: 21
Drivers finished: 17
All the cars were powered by Lada engines (1198 or 1294 cc), except the car of Stefan Jagielski, which was equipped with Polski FIAT 125P unit.
Race results:
1. Karel Jílek CZE Metalex 103
2. Václav Lím CZE Avia AE1
3. Jiří Červa CZE Metalex 103
4. Toomas Napa USSR Estonia 18M
5. Wolgfang Günther GDR SEG 3
6. Vladislav Barkovsky USSR BPS Estonia
7. Heinz 'Heiner' Lindner GDR SRG MT77
8. Anatoly Alkhimovich USSR Estonia 18
9. Valery Lukashevich USSR Estonia 18
10. Jiří Vančura CZE Metalex 103
11. Vladimir Grekov USSR Estonia 18M
12. Ulrich 'Ulli' Melkus GDR SRG MT77
13. Frieder Kramer GDR SEG 3
14. Edgard Lindgren USSR Estonia 18M
15. Józef Kielbania POL Rak-Promot
16. Stefan Jagielski POL Promot 75
17. Sandor Kovacs HUN Kovacs Special
DNF František Valovič CZE Metalex 103
DNF Eduard Markovsky USSR Estonia 18
DNF Martin Biernacki POL Rak-Promot
DNF Raul Sarap Estonia 19M

Teams:
1. Czechoslovakia 139 pts
2. East Germany 111 pts
3. USSR 80 pts
4. Poland 59 pts

Now, the questions itself. First, the drivers' race times and average speeds are needed, as this time I hadn't a chance to read race reports (of course, if there were any) in Czech, Slovak and Polish magazines, where the detailed race results were usually published. Also it isn't known who drove the fastest lap in the race and what the speed of the FL was.

Second, what was the exact name of Lím's car? Czechoslovakian 'Automobil' says it was Avia AE1, and Russian 'Za Rulem' says it to be Avia 1300.

Third, here is a photo of a Polish racing car that took part in that event (source: 'Russian and Soviet Cars', vol. 3, by Lev M. Shugurov) - no, not #62 (this is Estonia 19M with Raul Sarap at the wheel), but #5:
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(I'm sorry for breaking the rules of posting images here, as I'm posting a big high-resolution photo, but if I had posted a small image, the Polish car would have been too small for reliable identification)

Is that a modified version of the 1967 Rak-Promot? If so, was it indeed powered by Lada unit? Was car #5 being driven by Kielbania? I know that Jagielski was driving Promot 75 definitely, but I'm not sure about Biernacki - was he at the wheel of another Promot 75 or another Rak-Promot?

Furthermore, I still don't know the exact spelling of Biernacki's name :blush: I have seen both Biernacki and Biernadski, both Martin and Marcin in different sources... :confused:

I shall post the results of the touring cars race here tomorrow...

#211 anjakub

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 16:18

1. Number 5 it is Kielbania (Rak-Promot). Jagielski - 6, Biernacki - 2.
2. Correct: Marcin Biernacki.

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 17:22

Czechoslovakian 'Automobil' says it was Avia AE1, and Russian 'Za Rulem' says it to be Avia 1300


Czech source is correct.

Correct name of Metalex is MTX 1-03 (single seater, third type)

Here practice results:

Karel Jílek 1. 01:44,000
Jiøí Èerva 2. 01:44,000
Ulli Melkus 3. 01:44,000
Toomas Napa 4. 01:44,800
Václav Lím 5. 01:44,800
Heiner Lindner 6. 01:45,400
Raul Sarap 7. 01:45,400
Wolfgang Günther 8. 01:45,600
V. Barkovskij 9. 01:46,600
Józef Kielbania 10. 01:53,400
Marcin Biernacki 11. 01:54,400
Sztefan Jagielski 12. 02:03,200
Frieder Krämer 13. 01:46,800
František Valoviè 14. 01:47,800
V. Lukaševiè 15. 01:47,800
A. A¾chimoviè 16. 01:48,200
Eduard Markovskij 17. 01:50,200
Vladimir Grekov 18. 01:50,600
Jiøí Vanèura 19. 01:51,600
Edgar Lindgren 20. 01:54,000
Sándor Kovács 21. 01:57,200

#213 anjakub

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 17:35

So the car #6, which can be seen behind the Estonia of Sarap, is Promot 75, isn't it?


Car #6 - Promot 75 (second version of Formula Polonia car so-called Duck).

Avia AE1 is right. From 1976 Lim's car was equiped VAZ 1300 engine, early VAZ 1200. In 60's Avia F3 used Ford 1200 engine.

#214 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 17:42

Andrzej, sat, thank you very much!

Yes, in the race report that I recently found, Kielbania's car was called 'RAK-Zhiguli', and Jagielski's one 'Polonia-FIAT'.

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 18:24

Alexey, I forgot...

The fastest lap in the F. Easter race: Jilek, Cerva and Melkus - 1m44,0s. The touring cars race: Milan Zid - 1m44,8s

#216 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 19:20

Are you sure that these times are of fastest laps in the race? It seems to me you mean the results of the qualifying - please take a look at the post by sat above...

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 14:48

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
1966 Cup of Peace and Friendship, round 3 (USSR, Leningrad)
July, 23
Track: Nevskoe Koltso (the Neva Ring)
Track length: 3.26 km
Race distance: 24 laps (78.24 km)
Fastest lap: Heinz Melkus (1'32.4" = 127.0 km/h)
Drivers started: 14
Race results:
1. Heinz Melkus GDR Melkus-65 Wartburg 38'40.1" = 121.4 km/h
2. Longin Bielak POL RAK Wartburg
3. Frieder Rädlein GDR Melkus-65 Wartburg
4. Laszlo Bognar HUN Melkus-62 Wartburg
5. Józef Kielbania POL RAK Wartburg
6. ?
7. Yuri Andreev USSR Melkus-64 Wartburg –3 laps
8. Viktor Lapin USSR Melkus-64 Wartburg -3 laps
9. Yakov Vartpatrikov USSR Melkus-64 Wartburg -3 laps
10. Evgeny Glukharev USSR Melkus Wartburg
DNF Ants Seiler USSR Estonia-9 Wartburg
DNF Herbert Armstroff GDR Melkus Wartburg

Can anyone add anything to this?


Nice to see that there was such a race in St.Petersburg. Can't see any Ukrainian drivers though.

#218 anjakub

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 17:30

Are you sure that these times are of fastest laps in the race? It seems to me you mean the results of the qualifying - please take a look at the post by sat above...



Alexey, In my records I have these results as FL, but...

#219 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 17:32

Here is the info on the touring cars race:

Race distance: 23 laps = 92.690 km
Drivers started: 24
Drivers finished: 17
Race results:
1. Oldřich Brunclík CZE Škoda 130 RS
2. Milan Žid CZE Škoda 130 RS
3. Zdenĕk Vojtĕch CZE Škoda 130 RS
4. Vitaly Bogatyrev USSR VAZ 21011
5. Valery Ankuda USSR VAZ 21011
6. Petr Martinovský CZE Škoda 120S
7. Yuvenaly Kryukov USSR VAZ 21011
8. Lothar Thomas GDR Škoda 130 RS
9. Bernd Zimmermann GDR VAZ 21011
10. Yury Prosyannikov USSR VAZ 21011
11. Laszlo Szebenyi HUN VAZ 21011
12. Alexandr Zamyslov USSR VAZ 21011
13. Ivan Tsarsky BUL VAZ 21011
14. Bretislav Enge CZE Škoda 130 RS
15 (NC) Bozhin Tanchev BUL VAZ 21011
16 (NC) Seighard Sonntag GDR Wartburg 353
17 (NC) Ivan Nikolov BUL VAZ 21011
DNF Valery Vayshvila USSR VAZ 21011 (10 laps)
DNF Peter Mücke GDR Zastava 101
DNF Pal Gaal HUN VAZ 21011
DNF Vladimir Trushin USSR VAZ 21011
DNF Stefan Krynchev BUL VAZ 21011
DNF Andras Nagy HUN VAZ 21011
DNF Vladimir Glushkov USSR VAZ 21011

Teams:
1. Czechoslovakia 139 pts
2. USSR 74 pts
3. East Germany 73 pts
Hungary 0 pts
Bulgaria 0 pts

There are three questions concerning this race. First, any info on drivers' race times, average speeds, and fastest laps would be appreciated. Second, there were two Škodas 120S in the race. One of them was driven by Petr Martinovský, but I don't know who was at the wheel of the second - perhaps one of the Hungarian or German drivers? And third, can anyone explain why German Peter Mücke was driving a Jugoslavian Zastava? It was a very exotic car for CPF touring races, which were called 'Lada Club' beginning from the late 70s... ("Startovní pole, které připomíná značkový klub Lada" - "Automobil", December 1983) And Jugoslavia itself never paid any attention to CPF...

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#220 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 17:37

Originally posted by anjakub


Alexey, In my records I have these results as FL, but...


Perhaps the fastest lap in the tourings race was driven by Brunclík, but this info is not reliable...

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 17:59

And third, can anyone explain why German Peter Mücke was driving a Jugoslavian Zastava? It was a very exotic car for CPF touring races



Alexey, not very exotic - see regulations of CPF

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 18:01

Originally posted by indyricefan13


Nice to see that there was such a race in St.Petersburg. Can't see any Ukrainian drivers though.

No Ukranian nationality in 1966-was part of USSR.

#223 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 18:43

I guess that indyricefan13 have meant drivers from Ukrainian SSR taking part in CPF. But they appeared there only in 1978 for the first time AFAIK - they were Anatoly Kulinich and Igor Naumchenko in tourings, Alexandr Medvedchenko and Sergey Nenkho in F. Easter.

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 19:04

Peter Mücke was far-famed Zastava driver, and IIRC was not sold officialy in DDR :confused:

#225 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 10:14

Originally posted by anjakub


Alexey, In my records I have these results as FL, but...


Finally I found a race report published in 'Svět motorů" - but without drivers' times and average speeds, though. Here is a phrase from the article concerning the qualifying times:

Přes všechny tyto starosti jsme s tréninkovými časy mohli být spokojeni. V cestovních vozech byl nejrychlejší Milan Žid za 1:44,8, ve formulích měli tři jezdci stejný čas -1:44,0. Dva z nich byli naši - Červa a Jílek, třetím byl Ulli Melkus.

(Despite all those worries, we could be satisfied with the qualifying times. In touring cars, the fastest was Milan Žid with 1'44.8", in single-seaters three drivers had equal time, 1'44.0". Two of them were our people - Červa and Jílek - and the third was Ulli Melkus.)


#226 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 18:52

Anyone who has information about the CPF Round at Dresden, september 8, 1968? Can't find anything, anywhere. Maybe it was cancelled ?

I am also searching for results of the Czechoslovakian CPF round at Havirov, may 11, 1969.

Well, I am searching any kind of information about 1969, I have results from Russia, thanks to Alexey, but not much from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary.

Many thanks in advance!

Stefan

#227 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 19:05

11.5.1969 Haviřov

1. Vladimir Hubáček CZE Lotus 41C Cosworth
2. Vladislav Ondřejík CZE Lotus 41C Cosworth
3. Václav Bobek CZE Škoda F3
4. Manfred Berger GDR Melkus Wartburg
5. Heinz Melkus GDR Melkus Wartburg
6. Henri Saarm USSR Estonia 9 Wartburg (or he was 11th? two sources give different pieces of info :confused: )
...
9. Vladimir Grekov USSR Estonia 9 Wartburg
...
14. Oldřich Brunclík CZE Lucia Škoda

Teams:
1. Czechoslovakia
2. GDR
3. Poland
4. USSR

#228 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 19:10

Oooh! That was fast! Only 13 minutes for a reply! :clap:

Thanks, Alexey!

#229 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 19:28

There were three rounds in the 1968 CPF, namely: Szczecin, Štramberk, and Riga. I remember some race reports about the race in Riga published in Soviet newspapers, and the German round was mentioned there as being the final race of the 1968 CPF - "...we'll meet in autumn in GDR to determine finally the fastest...", and so on. But I cannot find any data on it, so I guess it was cancelled indeed.

#230 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 22:38

Now I remember... in august/september 1968 there wasn't much of "Peace and Friendship" in this area of Europe.
No doubt, the race in Dresden must have been cancelled due to these circumstances.

Stefan

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 06:21

Well, there was a "race" in Prague, but they used tanks instead of race cars... It's a sad story...

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 06:30

Originally posted by sat
Peter Mücke was far-famed Zastava driver, and IIRC was not sold officialy in DDR :confused:


A Zastava was quite common in the former GDR... I also think it was officially sold, but this is another story. If you had "Deutschmark" (i.e. West-German currency) you could get anything and immediately, also a Lada or Zastava or even a VW Golf or a Citroen. If you had just "Mark der DDR" (East-German currency), you had to make an order for a car and then wait more than 10 years for delivery :-) One result was that the prices for second-hand cars were sometimes higher than new cars... And everyone had at least half a car of spare parts in his basement!

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 21:18

I stay corrected...

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 20:07

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
11.5.1969 Haviřov

1. Vladimir Hubáček CZE Lotus 41C Cosworth
2. Vladislav Ondřejík CZE Lotus 41C Cosworth
3. Václav Bobek CZE Škoda F3
4. Manfred Berger GDR Melkus Wartburg
5. Heinz Melkus GDR Melkus Wartburg
6. Henri Saarm USSR Estonia 9 Wartburg (or he was 11th? two sources give different pieces of info :confused: )
...
9. Vladimir Grekov USSR Estonia 9 Wartburg
...
14. Oldřich Brunclík CZE Lucia Škoda

Teams:
1. Czechoslovakia
2. GDR
3. Poland
4. USSR



Hi Alexey,

on the 6th place was maybe Longin Bielak - look what I found in Polish magazine MOTOR from 16.6.1969 :
Formula 3 startowala v Havirovie (CSRS)
.....
Na liscie wynikow indywidualnych najlepszego z Polakow Longina Bielaka z Automobilklubu Warszawskiego, wyprzedzaja trzej Czechoslowacy: Hubaczek i Ondrejk na Lotusje, Bobek na Skodzie oraz dwaj Niemcy: Berger na SEG - Lehmann - Wartburg i Melkus na Melkusie - Wartburgu. Reszta naszych jezdzcow zajela dalsze miejsca, a Bartkowiak na skutek uszkodzenia auta nie ukonczyl wyscigu.
...

Andrzej, can you help? Thanks, Michal

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 20:35

Originally posted by Stefan Ornerdal

Well, I am searching any kind of information about 1969, I have results from Russia, thanks to Alexey, but not much from Poland, Czechoslovakia,...
Stefan


Hi Stefan,

CPF Round 3, 29.6.1969 Szczecin

1. Ing.Vladislav Ondrejík, CZ, Lotus 41C Ford Cosworth
2. Vladimír Hubácek, CZ, Lotus 41C Ford Cosworth
3. Heinz Melkus, GDR, Melkus Wartburg
4. Yuri Andreev, USSR, Estonia Wartburg
5. Václav Bobek, CZ, Skoda F3

Source: Svet Motoru 26/69


CENA CSR A CENA PRACHOVSKÝCH SKAL
Jièín, 14,5 km, 24.8.1969
8 laps= 116 km
Results
1. Vladimír Hubácek, (CZ), Lotus 41C Ford Cosworth, 8 laps, 51:50,2
2. Frank Conti, (I), Chevron B15, 8, 52:20,8
3. Miroslav Fousek, (CZ), Skoda F3, 8, 52:21,2
4. Ing.Vladislav Ondrejík, (CZ), Lotus 41C Ford Cosworth, 8, 52:51,0
5. Dieter Bentz, (D), Tecno 69, 8, 53:16,5
6. Václav Bobek st., (CZ), Skoda F3, 8, 54:19,1
7. Andre Willem, (B), Lotus 35 Ford, 8, 59:20,0
8. Miloslav Hrubý, (CZ), Kupr Wartburg, 7
9. Karel Vanek, (CZ), Studio Renault R8, 7
10. Tauno Olavi Nurmi, (FIN), Cooper S, 7
11. Oldøich Brunclík, (CZ), Skoda Lucia, 4
12. Milos Srámek, (CZ), Skoda Lucia, 3

DNF
Rene Scalais, (B), Cooper T 76 Lucas, in lap 6
Jaroslav Bobek, (CZ), Skoda F3, in lap 2
Zdenek Krivohlavý, (CZ), Chelík I. Wartburg in lap 1

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 23:01

Originally posted by IMV



Hi Alexey,

on the 6th place was maybe Longin Bielak - look what I found in Polish magazine MOTOR from 16.6.1969 :
Formula 3 startowala v Havirovie (CSRS)
.....
Na liscie wynikow indywidualnych najlepszego z Polakow Longina Bielaka z Automobilklubu Warszawskiego, wyprzedzaja trzej Czechoslowacy: Hubaczek i Ondrejk na Lotusje, Bobek na Skodzie oraz dwaj Niemcy: Berger na SEG - Lehmann - Wartburg i Melkus na Melkusie - Wartburgu. Reszta naszych jezdzcow zajela dalsze miejsca, a Bartkowiak na skutek uszkodzenia auta nie ukonczyl wyscigu.
...

Andrzej, can you help? Thanks, Michal


I'm not Andrzej, but can help... :cool:

Formula 3 has started in Havirov (CSRS).
On the individual results list, there was three Czechoslovakians: Hubacek and Ondrejik in Loti, Bobek in a Skoda, and two Germans: Berger in a SEG-Lehmann-Wartburg, Melkus in a Melkus-Wartburg, ahead of the best Pole - Longin Bielak from Automobilklub Warszawski (A. of Warsaw). Our other drivers occupied farther places, and Bartkowiak did not finish due to car failure.


You're right, Bielak was sixth.

#237 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 05:12

Given that Bielak was 6th in fact, then Saarm took 11th place. Piotr, Michal, thank you :)

Originally posted by IMV
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4. Yuri Andreev, USSR, Estonia Wartburg
...


Andreev drove de Sanctis Cosworth in 1969-70, being the only person of the Soviet team who was at the wheel of the car from Western Europe. The others had the Wartburg-powered Estonias at their disposal.

#238 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 07 May 2005 - 17:30

This photo is from the http://www.f3history.co.uk web site. The caption says that it was a mid-sixties Rak:

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Can anyone determine what type of Rak it is? It looks like 66, but differs from it by some details...

#239 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 15:08

Bringing up this thread again - the 1978 event is waiting for researchers... The more I know, the less I know - this is the most accurate description of the situation I have come to. It seemed that few, albeit very detailed, sources would give me irrefragable answers to all my questions. But nothing of the sort - and I have to ask TNF'ers for help as usual...

1978 Cup of Peace and Friensdhip - round 1

Date: June, 4
Venue: Chayka, nr Kyjev, Ukraine
Circuit length: 4.460 km

F. Easter
Race distance: 22 laps = 98.120 km
Drivers started: 24
Drivers finished: 20
Fastest lap: Václav Lím (1'57.1" = 137.1 km/h)
Race results:

 1  Wolfgang Günther	  GDR  ?				  43’40.0”

 2  Václav Lím			CZE  Avia AE1		   43’53.4”

 3  Vladislav Barkovsky   USSR BPS Estonia		44’18.4”

 4  Toomas Napa		   USSR Tallept Estonia	

 5  František Valovič	 CZE  MTX 1-03

 6  Alexandr Kucherenko   USSR BPS Estonia

 7  Elmo Salm			 USSR Estonia 18M

 8  Ulrich Melkus		 GDR  SRG MT77

 9  Edgard Lindgren	   USSR Estonia 19 (?)

10  Frieder Kramer		GDR  SRG MT77

11  Antanas Jurävicius	USSR ?

12  Jiří Moskal		   CZE  MTX 1-02 (?)

13  Alexandr Medvedchenko USSR Estonia 19

14  Marcin Biernacki	  POL  ?

15  Karel Jílek		   CZE  MTX 1-03

16  Józef Kielbania	   POL  Rak-Promot

17  Stefan Jagielski	  POL  Promot 77 (?)

18  Otto Bartkowiak	   POL  Promot 77 (?)

19  Sergey Nenkho		 USSR Estonia 19

20  Gedeminas Neverauskas USSR Estonia 19

DNF Wieslaw Mikolajczyk   POL  ?				  7 laps

DNF Wolfgang Krug		 GDR  SEG III (?)		6 laps

DNF Raul Sarap			USSR Estonia 19M		3 laps

DNF Kalchno Hinov		 BUL  ?				  3 laps

DNS Jiří Červa			CZE  MTX 1-03
The most burning question is the identification of the winner's car. One article briefly says it was SEG, the second alleges it was SRG MT77. But look at this - it looks like Ferrari 312T2 rather than any East German single-seater!

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Can anyone identify it?

Second, my usual ignorance of Polish racing cars :blush: Andrzej, I guess you are the only person who can help... Here is a photo of a Promot on the starting grid in Kyjev (going by no. 6, it must be Stefan Jagielski) :

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The only thing which I'm sure of is that it isn't a Rak-Promot - thanks to Andrzej's explanations in this thread :) I guess that it is either Promot 75 ot 77, but which of them?

Third, you can see that only top three drivers' times are present in the results, and for all of other drivers finished neither their times nor the number of laps completed are known. The results are mostly taken from Slovak magazine 'Stop'. Perhaps the more detailed data can be found in Czech 'Svĕt motorů', but this time I don't have a possibility to browse through its 1978 issues. Michal, Andrzej, sat, does anyone of you have that article 'Svĕt motorů' about Kyjev '78 race?

And, finally, is the spelling 'Wieslaw Mikolajczyk' correct?

I'll post the touring cars' results (and questions!) here tomorrow :)

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 11:14

'Wieslaw Mikolajczyk' is correct (of course without diacritics).

Stefan Jagielski - Promot 75 - PFiat 1300 (Polonia II version - named 'duck')

Wolfgang Gunther - SEG III

#241 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 12:11

Andrzej, thank you very much! :up:

I remember that I asked you about a Promot in the 1977 Minsk event, and you answered me here, but I decided to ask again re the 1978 race because one of the articles said that all the cars had been Lada-powered, thus it could be a Promot 77... However, you've got to the truth :)

Günther's SEG seems to have a body built by Günther himself as I have never seen any photos of another driver at the wheel of a car like that, and Günther kept on driving it (although in other colors) until 1982.

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 15:09

Here are the touring car results. Strangely enough this time almost everything is clear – of course, except the times of the drivers outside the top three. Ah, no, one question nevertheless: was Martinovský’s car Škoda 130RS or 120S? In 1977, he drove a 120S, but this doesn't mean that he was at the wheel of the same car in 1978...

1978 Cup of Peace and Friendship - round 1

Date: June, 4
Venue: Chayka, nr Kyjev, Ukraine
Circuit length: 4.460 km

Touring cars (Group A2, 1300 cc)
Race distance: 22 laps = 98.120 km
Drivers started: 29
Drivers finished: 25
Fastest lap: Ladislav Bareš (2'00.5" = 133.2 km/h)
Race results:


 1  Ladislav Bareš		CZE  Škoda 130RS		   45’27.8”  

 2  Vitaly Bogatyrev	  USSR Lada 21011			45’34.8”

 3  Marian Bublewicz	  POL  Polski FIAT 128 Coupe 45’42.0”

 4  Jonas Dereškävicius   USSR Lada 21011

 5  Vlastimil Tomášek	 CZE  Škoda 130RS

 6  Vladimir Glushkov	 USSR Lada 21011

 7  Miroslav Heřman	   CZE  Škoda 130RS

 8  Pal Gaál			  HUN  Lada 21011

 9  Yury Kozlov		   USSR Lada 21011

10  Anatoly Kulinich	  USSR Lada 21011

11  Imre Gulyás		   HUN  Lada 21011

12  Igor Naumchenko	   USSR Lada 21011

13  Petr Martinovský	  CZE  Škoda 120S

14  Sergey Alexandrov	 USSR Lada 21011

15  Jan Senkýř			CZE  Škoda 110R

16  Yakov Lukianov		USSR Lada 21011

17  Peter Mücke		   GDR  Zastava 101

18  Vikis Oleka		   USSR Lada 21011

19  Bernd Zimmerman	   GDR  Lada 21011

20  Valery Vayshvila	  USSR Lada 21011

21  Sieghard Sonntag	  GDR  Wartburg 353

22  Marin Velev		   BUL  Lada 21011

23  Stefan Krynchev	   BUL  Lada 21011

24  Ivan Tsarsky		  BUL  Lada 21011

25  Laszlo Szebenyi	   HUN  Lada 21011

DNF Vladimir Trushin	  USSR Lada 21011			 15 laps

DNF Vladimir Ponedelnik   USSR Lada 21011			  7 laps

DNF Yuvenaly Kryukov	  USSR Lada 21011			  7 laps

DNF Andras Nagy		   HUN  Lada 21011			  6 laps

DNS Georgy Peterneychev   BUL  Lada 21011


#243 IMV

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Posted 17 October 2005 - 19:35

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
....Ah, no, one question nevertheless: was Martinovský’s car Škoda 130RS or 120S? In 1977, he drove a 120S, but this doesn't mean that he was at the wheel of the same car in 1978...


Hi Alexey, yes, it was his first season with Skoda 130RS car...

Michal

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 22:33

Dear friends,
do you have any results from 1970, Polish, Czech, Soviet and CPF championships?


Kind regards
Stefan

#245 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 19:06

Hi Stefan, nice to see you here again, gathering data for the next update of your site :) Here is what I have on the Cup of Peace and Friendship of 1970:

Round 1 – Czechoslovakia, Haviřov, May 9

 1  Vladislav Ondřejík		 CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth

 2  Yury Andreev			   USSR de Sanctis Cosworth

 3  Zbigniew Sucharda		  POL  Rak Cosworth

 4  Longin Bielak			  POL  Rak-Promot Holbay

 5  Heinz Melkus			   GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 6  Ksawery Frank			  POL  Rak-Promot Wartburg

 7  Miroslav Fousek			CZE  Škoda F3

 8  Frieder Rädlein			GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 9  Ulrich Melkus			  GDR  Melkus Wartburg

10  Vladimir Hubáček		   CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth

11  Václav Bobek			   CZE  Škoda F3

12  Manfred Berger			 GDR  Melkus Wartburg

13  Jaroslav Mlcek			 CZE  MGK Wartburg

Round 2 – Soviet Union, Minsk, June 7
Circuit length: 4.030 km
Race distance: 22 laps = 88.660 km
Fastest lap: Vladimir Hubáček (1’36.0” = 151.13 km/h)

 1  Vladislav Ondřejík		 CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth

 2  Yury Andreev			   USSR de Sanctis Cosworth		   +17”

 3  Heinz Melkus			   GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 4  Ulrich Melkus			  GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 5  Peter Findeisen			GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 6  Henri Saarm				USSR Estonia 9M Wartburg

 7  Ksawery Frank			  POL  Rak-Promot Wartburg

 8  Józef Kielbania			POL  Promot Cosworth

...

14  Enn Griffel				USSR Estonia 9M Wartburg

...

DNF Vladimir Hubáček		   CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth

Round 3 – Poland, Szczecin, June 28

 1  Vladimir Hubáček		   CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth

 2  Vladislav Ondřejík		 CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth

 3  Ksawery Frank			  POL  Rak-Promot Holbay

 4  Yury Andreev			   USSR de Sanctis Cosworth

 5  Zbigniew Sucharda		  POL  Rak-Promot Holbay

 6  Ulrich Melkus			  GDR  Melkus Wartburg

Round 4 – East Germany, Schleiz, August 9
Circuit length: 7.631 km
Race distance: 11 laps = 83.941 km
Fastest lap: Vladimir Hubáček, Vladislav Ondřejík (3’05.8” = 147.86 km/h)

 1  Vladislav Ondřejík		 CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth		   38’38.6” = 142.18 km/h

 2  Vladimir Hubáček		   CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth			

 3  Yury Andreev			   USSR de Sanctis Cosworth

 4  Heinz Melkus			   GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 5  Ulrich Melkus			  GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 6  Klaus Peter Krause		 GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 7  Enn Griffel				USSR Estonia 9M Wartburg

 8  Madis Laiv				 USSR Estonia 9M Wartburg

 9  Józef Kielbania			POL  Rak-Promot Wartburg

10  Anatoly Sebeykin		   USSR Estonia 16 Moskvich

... 

12  Henri Saarm				USSR Estonia 9M Warburg

13  Peter Findeisen			GDR  Melkus Wartburg

14  Zbigniew Sucharda		  POL  Rak-Promot Holbay

...

DNF Frieder Rädlein			GDR  Melkus Wartburg

DNF Ksawery Frank			  POL  Rak-Promot Holbay

DNF Jaroslav Mlcek			 CZE  MGK Wartburg

DNF Longin Bielak			  POL  Rak-Promot Cosworth

Total score

 1  Ondřejík	  58

 2  Andreev	   46

 3  Hubáček	   31

 4  H. Melkus	 28

 5  U. Melkus	 27

 6  Frank		 24

...

11  Griffel

12  Laiv

13  Saarm

I’m going to post the results of Soviet F3 championship to the 'Soviet Racing' thread tomorrow.

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 10:22

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
Hi Stefan, nice to see you here again, gathering data for the next update of your site :) Here is what I have on the Cup of Peace and Friendship of 1970:
Round 3 – Poland, Szczecin, June 28


 1  Vladimir Hubáček		   CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth

 2  Vladislav Ondřejík		 CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth

 3  Ksawery Frank			  POL  Rak-Promot Holbay

 4  Yury Andreev			   USSR de Sanctis Cosworth

 5  Zbigniew Sucharda		  POL  Rak-Promot Holbay

 6  Ulrich Melkus			  GDR  Melkus Wartburg

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[COLOR=red]11  Ing.Jaroslav Mlèek  CZE   MGK Wartburg[/COLOR]

Round 4 – East Germany, Schleiz, August 9
Circuit length: 7.631 km
Race distance: 11 laps = 83.941 km
Fastest lap: Vladimir Hubáček, Vladislav Ondřejík (3’05.8” = 147.86 km/h)

 1  Vladislav Ondřejík		 CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth		   38’38.6” = 142.18 km/h

 2  Vladimir Hubáček		   CZE  Lotus 41C Cosworth			

 3  Yury Andreev			   USSR de Sanctis Cosworth

 4  Heinz Melkus			   GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 5  Ulrich Melkus			  GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 6  Klaus Peter Krause		 GDR  Melkus Wartburg

 7  Enn Griffel				USSR Estonia 9M Wartburg

 8  Madis Laiv				 USSR Estonia 9M Wartburg

 9  Józef Kielbania			POL  Rak-Promot Wartburg

10  Anatoly Sebeykin		   USSR Estonia 16 Moskvich

[COLOR=red]11 Tomáš Smatlánek   CZE  Melkus Wartburg[/COLOR] 

12  Henri Saarm				USSR Estonia 9M Warburg

13  Peter Findeisen			GDR  Melkus Wartburg

14  Zbigniew Sucharda		  POL  Rak-Promot Holbay

...

DNF Frieder Rädlein			GDR  Melkus Wartburg

DNF Ksawery Frank			  POL  Rak-Promot Holbay

DNF Jaroslav Mlcek			 CZE  MGK Wartburg

DNF Longin Bielak			  POL  Rak-Promot Cosworth



#247 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 11:27

Michal, one question to you: what does 'Ing.' ahead of drivers' names mean?

#248 st59cz

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:00

Ing. is abbreviation of academic title engineer.

#249 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 12:48

Then I have two more questions to ask :) First, how did that 'engineer' academic degree relate to motorsport? Second, as far as I know, the Czech word for 'engineer' is 'inženýr' - so why 'ing.'?

#250 st59cz

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 13:38

Nothing common, it is only usual to give academic title with name in central Europe, this praxis go from A-U monarchy I suppose. These abbreviations are not in czech language (possibly Latin ???)