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#251 Vitesse2

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 14:07

Surely if it comes from imperial times then it must be from the German "Ingeneur"? This has the added advantage of being directly comparable to the Italian "Ingenere".

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#252 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 16:41

Bringing this thread up again, after a long interval... The 1979 CPF round at Kiev.

Date: June, 3
Venue: Chayka
Circuit length: 4460 m

F. Easter
Race distance: 21 laps = 93.660 km
Drivers started: 25
Drivers finished: 22
Race results:

  1  Václav Lím			   CZE	 Avia AE2

  2  Jiří Červa			   CZE	 MTX 1-03

  3  Jiří Moskal			  CZE	 MTX 1-03 (?)

  4  Ulrich Melkus			GDR	 SRG MT77

  5  Wolfgang Günther		 GDR	 SEG III

  6  Alexandr Medvedchenko	USSR	Estonia 19

  7  Raul Sarap			   USSR	Estonia 19M

  8  Marcin Biernacki		 POL	 Promot 77 (?)

  9  Toivo Asmer			  USSR	Estonia 19

 10  Alexandr Kucherenko	  USSR	BPS-Estonia

 11  Jiří Mičanek			 CZE	 MTX 1-02 (?)			-1 lap

 12  Gedeminas Neverauskas	USSR	Estonia 19			  -1 lap  

 13  Mait Luha				USSR	Estonia 19			  -1 lap

 14  Edgard Lindgren		  USSR	Estonia-MADI			-1 lap

 15  Vitaly Komarov		   USSR	Estonia 19			  -1 lap

 16  Elmo Salm				USSR	Estonia 18M			 -1 lap

 17  Toomas Napa			  USSR	Tallept-Estonia		 -1 lap

 18  Józef Kielbania		  POL	 Promot 77 (?)

 19  Jacek Szmidt			 POL	 Promot 77 (?)

 20  Sandor Kovács			HUN	 Kovács Special

 21  Kalcho Hinov			 BUL	 MTX 1-03

 22  Boncho Dunev			 BUL	 VMGI 01

DNF  František Valovič		CZE	 MTX 1-03

DNF  Heiner Lindner		   GDR	 SRG MT77 (?)

DNF  Frieder Kramer		   GDR	 SRG MT77 (?)

DNS  Bernd Kasper			 GDR	 SRG MT77 (?)
There are some things about this race that I’d like to know. First, drivers’ times and average speeds are not known – in that year, Czechoslovakian magazines, which were usually publishing quite detailed race results, paid almost no attention to the Kiev CPF event. Second, the Czechoslovakian team – who of their drivers had MTX 1-03 and who stayed at the wheel of old 1-02? For instance, different sources have different opinions about Moskal’s car. The same question can be asked re German team. And, as usual, I have a confusion with Polish cars. I guess that all of them were Promots 77, equipped with Lada 21011 engines (like all the cars in this race), but I couldn’t find any strong evidences of it. And, finally, two very obscure F. Easter cars from Bulgaria, VMGI 01, and Hungary, Kovacs Special. Does anyone have photos of them?

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 20:03

Only bulgarian F-Easter VGMI-01 also known as Bulgaria 1300 was built in "technical university?" in Sofia for Kaltscho Hinov. Later for other Bulgarian drivers MTX 1-03 was purchased, i suppose bulgarian car was not good enough. Kovács Spl. aka Kovács KH-01 was similar hungarian one-off.

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 20:27

The letters 'GI' in 'VMGI 01' meant 'institute of geology' IIRC... And I do know exactly that its designer and driver was Dunev, not Hinov. But I haven't seen any pic of this car, anywhere.

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 21:03

I have some evil pictures of this car anywhere. Mit Dunev you are right indded...

#256 Allen Brown

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 09:59

I am delighted to see my favourite TNF thread back again. :wave:

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#257 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 17:47

Your favourite TNF thread??? :eek:

#258 Allen Brown

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 17:51

Definitely. And I suspect I'm not alone in that.

#259 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 18:06

...blushing... :blush: :)

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#260 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 18:55

And Kiev '79 touring car race results:

Race distance: 21 laps = 93.660 km
Drivers started: 23
Drivers finished: 20
Race results:

   1  Vitaly Bogatyrev		  USSR  Lada 21011		  126.3 km/h

   2  Vladimir Trushin		  USSR  Lada 21011		  +4.4”

   3  Mikhail Bogatyrev		 USSR  Lada 21011		  +6.0”

   4  Alexey Grigoriev		  USSR  Lada 21011

   5  Alexandr Nuzhdin		  USSR  Lada 21011 

   6  Jonas Dereškavičius	   USSR  Lada 21011

   7  Ladislav Bareš			CZE   Lada 21011

   8  Vlastimil Tomášek		 CZE   Lada 21011

   9  Igor Naumchenko		   USSR  Lada 21011

  10  Valery Vayshvila		  USSR  Lada 21011		  +1’43.9”

  11  Sieghard Sonntag		  GDR   Lada 21011		  -1 lap

  12  Jan Šenkyř				CZE   Lada 21011 (Škoda?)

  13  Harry Kindel			  GDR   Lada 21011

  14  Václav Bervid			 CZE   Lada 21011

  15  Lajos Kardos			  HUN   Lada 21011

  16  Horst Kornacker		   GDR   Lada 21011

  17  Georgy Pererneychev	   BUL   Lada 21011

  18  Milcho Kovachev		   BUL   Lada 21011

  19  Ivan Trendafilov		  BUL   Lada 21011

  20  Yuvenaly Kryukov		  USSR  Lada 21011

 DNF  Anatoly Kulinich		  USSR  Lada 21011

 DNF  Sandor Lucs			   HUN   Lada 21011

 DNF  Miroslav Heřman		   CZE   Škoda 120S (Lada?)

 DNS  Peter Mücke			   GDR   Zastava 101

 DNS  Jaan Tedre				USSR  Lada 21011
I know only the approximate value of the winner’s speed – generally speaking, I could count his race time, going by this value and the race distance, but, of course, it wouldn’t have been an actual time. So can anyone add real drivers’ times to this table?

Second, one can see that almost all the cars were Ladas 21011 (after the transfer of invincible Škodas 130RS to ETCC and rallies, CPF A2 class was called ‘Lada Club’). There were only two exceptions in the entry list: first, Mücke’s Zastava (Peter DNS due to some problems during the qualifying/training); second, Škoda 120S of Czechoslovakian team. But who was at its wheel? I’m inclined to think it was Heřman, although not being completely sure – it could be Šenkyř, too...

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 19:44

VMGI 01 :confused: Possibly 'institute of geology' was a sponsor.

In 1979 Dunev drove Bulgaria 1300 (tubular frame, engine VAZ 21011, gearbox from ZAZ 968, length 3850 mm, width 1660 mm, weight 426 kg, Barum tyres - front 185/60-13, rear 215/70-13, fuel tank 26 l under drivers seat). Probably I have a photo of this car, but now I don't know where.

Kovács Spl. aka Kovács KH-01 from contructors names - Sandor Kovacs and Elemer Hundsza. Second KH-02 was the RAF-79 from brothers Vesely.

#262 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 19:59

Originally posted by anjakub
VMGI 01 :confused: Possibly 'institute of geology' was a sponsor.

I wish I remembered where I had found some poor data on this car... : Within the nearest few days, I shall try to find that article in the library, and if I succeed in it, I'll explain here how that 'Institute of Geology' was related to F. Easter racing.

Andrzej, every time I bring this thread up, asking numerous hard-to-answer questions, you answer some of them, and your help is really inestimable! Many thanks! :up: :clap:

#263 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 08:41

I have found a brief story of VMGI 01. VMGI (ВМГИ) means 'Висшия минно-геоложки институт' (Higher Institute of Mining and Geology). The designer of the car, Boncho Dunev, graduated this institute and became a lecturer there. He started racing in 1974 on Lada 2101, and later decided to design his own F. Easter signle-seater. It was built in 1978 by the section of automobilism of VMGI, and sponsored by the RD department of VMGI. Dunev was assisted by other enthusiasts of motorsport from VMGI - Konstantin Nesterov, Khristo Yosifov and Neno Shishkov, and the exterior of the car was designed by Zhanin Traykov, the student of the Institute of Fine Arts (!!!).

#264 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 19:02

Mine and Allen Brown's old favourite thread again...

What do we know about the race (or races) at Havirov, Czechoslovakia in 1972?

Thanks to Jimmy Piget, we have a date, june 18, and a winner - Frantisek Janotka.

But was there a CPF-round earlier this year at the same venue?

Anyone? Michal, Sat, Alexey, anjakub...?

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#265 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 19:46

The Czechoslovakian round of the 1972 CPF was held on May, 9 at Most, not in Haviřov. Stefan, has F. Easter been included into your sphere of interest henceforth?;)

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 19:54

Yes!

Ah, Most, not Havirov - nevertheless - information is needed...


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#267 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 04:32

http://www.puru.de/d...assic6.html#pok On that page, Minsk is shown as the first round, Most as second, but it was vice versa in fact.

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Posted 29 April 2006 - 08:46

Well, I'm bringing this good old perennial up - I hope that TNF'ers hadn't tired of its almost three-year falling-and-rising-again :) Searching for the results of the 1980 Kiev CPF event, I found some info, but, as usual, many questions have still remained unsolved.

Date: May, 31
Venue: Chayka
Circuit length: 4460 m

F. Easter
Race distance: 21 laps (93.660 km)
Drivers started: 27
Drivers finished: 23
Race results:

  1  Václav Lím			 CZE  Avia AE2 Lada		39’41.72” = 141.57 km/h

  2  Frieder Kramer		 GDR  SRG MT77 Lada		+4.69”

  3  Ulrich Melkus		  GDR  SRG MT77 Lada		+11.61”

  4  Heiner Lindner		 GDR  SRG MT77 Lada

  5  Toomas Napa			USSR Estonia 20 Lada

  6  Alexandr Medvedchenko  USSR Estonia 19 Lada

  7  Karel Jílek			CZE  MTX 1-04 Zastava	 +46.69”

  8  Vladimir Andreev	   USSR Estonia 19 Lada

  9  Jan Veselý			 CZE  RAF 80 Lada		  +59.46”

 10  Jiří Moskal			CZE  MTX 1-03 Zastava	 +1’16.27”

 11  Vladislav Barkovsky	USSR Estonia 19 Lada

 12  Otto Bartkowiak		POL  MTX 1-03 Lada (?)

 13  Viktor Klimanov		USSR Estonia 19 Lada

 14  Raul Sarap			 USSR Estonia 20 Lada

 15  Anatoly Shimakovsky	USSR Estonia 19 Lada

 16  Jacek Szmidt		   POL  MTX 1-03 Lada (?)

 17  Józef Kielbania		POL  Promot 77 Lada (?)

 18  Andrzej Szulc		  POL  MTX 1-03 Lada (?)

 19  Lech Jaworowicz		POL  MTX 1-03 Lada (?)

 20  Csaba Asztalos		 HUN  Ikarus Easter Lada

 21  Atanas Atanasov		BUL  MTX 1-03 Lada

 22  Nikolay Stanchev	   BUL  MTX 1-03 Lada

 23  Edgard Lindgren		USSR Estonia-MADI 02 Lada

DNF  Alexandr Kucherenko	USSR BPS-Estonia Lada

DNF  Toivo Asmer			USSR Estonia 19 Lada

DNF  Boncho Dunev		   BUL  VMGI 01 Lada

DNF  Wolfgang Günther	   GDR  SEG III Lada
As one can see, the race times of top-three and of other Czechoslovakian drivers are known only (they have been found in 'Svĕt motorů'). Can anyone add race times of other drivers, please?

As usual, I have problems with identifying the machinery of Polish team. Here is a photo of the front rows of the starting grid (taken from 'Za Rulem', August 1980) :

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Three Polish drivers can be seen there. Two of them - no. 4 and 5 - definitely are at the wheels of Czechoslovakian MTX 1-03 single-seaters, but the third (no. 2 - I suppose it was Kielbania) seems to drive a certain Promot. As it doesn't look like Promot 75 'The Duck', I guess it is a Promot 77. Andrzej, am I right? If so, what engine did it have? Once again Soviet magazines proudly wrote that everyone on the starting grid had a Lada 21011 behind his back, but I'm not inclined to agree with that, being aware of Polish team's fidelity to Polski FIAT units (maybe not on MTX, but at least on Promots). Moreover - a total bolt from the blue - there were two Zastava-powered single-seaters taking part in the race! They were MTX 1-04 of Karel Jílek and MTX 1-03 of Jiří Moskal. According to 'Svĕt motorů', that experiment failed because of variance between torque curves of Yugoslavian engines and gear-ratios of standard gearboxes, fit to Ladas. Did Jílek and Moskal continue driving with the same engines in other rounds of the 1980 CPF or did they return to Ladas?

The only Hungarian driver in the race, Csaba Asztalos, was at the wheel of an unknown car - a certain Ikarus Easter. Does anyone have a photo of it and any technical data?

Thank you in advance :)

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Posted 29 April 2006 - 18:24

"Ikarus" of Csaba Asztalos was German SRG MT77, i guess more of this was imported to Hungary. Zastava engines were eyesore for some comrads functionary. Jílek was ban from start in Schleiz hence. And that was, no one was able to mantain two different engines - one for four "international" races and anoother for five other. These curious bans and reglement changes was mostly common job of soviets and east germans.

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Posted 04 May 2006 - 16:46

Very interesting, sat - I had suspected a forcibly 'implantation' of Lada engines to F. Easter cars to be, and you have given an evidence of it. No doubt that Soviet DOSAAF officials were an interested party, but I cannot understand why they were supported by their colleagues from East Germany.

Now, after some interval, the results of the 1980 Kiev touring car race. All the cars but two were Lada 21011's. Peter Mücke was at the wheel of his Zastava 101, and Petr Samohýl had the Škoda 120L. It was said to be works tuned - is it right?

Race distance: 21 laps = 93.660 km
Fastest lap: Vitaly Bogatyrev (2'01.94" = 131.67 km/h)
Drivers started: 28
Drivers finished: 22


  1  Vitaly Bogatyrev			  USSR	 43’22.46” (129.56 km/h)

  2  Miroslav Heřman			   CZE	  +18.42”

  3  Vlastimil Tomášek			 CZE	  +22.48”

  4  Mikhail Bogatyrev			 USSR

  5  Alexey Grigoriev			  USSR

  6  Jonas Dereškavičius		   USSR

  7  Nikolay Bakhmurov			 USSR

  8  Imre Gulyas				   HUN

  9  Pal Gaal					  HUN

 10  Alexandr Nuzhdin			  USSR

 11  Bogdan Khitsyak			   USSR

 12  Peter Mücke				   GDR

 13  Vladimir Krivodub			 USSR

 14  Igor Naumchenko			   USSR

 15  Klaus-Peter Schachtschneider  GDR

 16  Andras Szabo				  HUN

 17  Janis Alliks				  USSR

 18  Ivan Trendafilov			  BUL

 19  Georgy Peterneychev		   BUL

 20  Václav Bervid				 CZE	  -2 laps

 21  Khristo Stoychev			  BUL

 22  Sieghard Sonntag			  GDR

DNF  Yury Serov					USSR

DNF  Jäan Tedre					USSR

DNF  Petr Bold					 CZE	  overheating

DNF  Ferenc Karg				   HUN

DNF  Milcho Kovachev			   BUL

DNF  Petr Samohýl				  CZE
I also need help with identification of some photos, found here.

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Two Ladas of the German team. Who were the drivers?

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The same Lada #97 together with another car of this type, driven by Miroslav Heřman from Czechoslovakia.

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Car #40 - someone from Hungarian team?

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Car #81 is the SRG MT77 of Ulrich Melkus, #6 is MTX 1-03 of Polish team - who's at the wheel?

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Posted 05 May 2006 - 16:17

A bit answers:

1. All Polish drivers with VAZ 21011 engines. Jozef Kielbania (Promot) too.
2. Ikarus or Ikarus special was East-German SRG MT77.
3. Start numbers
German: 97 Klaus Peter Schachtschneider, 96 Sieghard Sonntag
Polish: 6 Lech Jaworowicz
40 isn't Hungarian number but Bulgarian. 40 - Khristo Stoychev (probability 99,99%)

1980 was a strange season. In each country was the (almost) other tecnical regulations. Example - numerous disqualification, even in Torun.

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Posted 05 May 2006 - 17:07

:up: !!!

And what happened in Torun?

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Posted 05 May 2006 - 21:35

September 7th, 1980 - airfield circuit in Torun. In Formula Easter race on finish line was the following order: Moskal, Kramer, Melkus, Jan Vesely and Cerva. After the race in agreement with rules of the championship took engines from the cars of the first trio and best drivers from all national team to technical control. Some time later after stormy and long discussion were disqualified Moskal, Kramer and Sarap due to big diameter of intake tube. At basis this decision was differently version of the technical rules of the Formula Easter in each countries partecipated in CPF.

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Posted 07 May 2006 - 06:19

That continued in 1981... There was a story of the disqualification of the winner, Václav Lím, for the compression ratio exceeding 10, and the runner-up, Raul Sarap, for 10.5" rear tyres. I believe it happened in Kiev '81.

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Posted 07 May 2006 - 10:30

Yes, that continued in 1981. In Kielce disqualified Lim (third), in Kiev Lim (first) and Vesely (second), in Albena Napa (second) and Melkus (third).

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 11:51

Originally posted by anjakub
...in Kiev Lim (first) and Vesely (second)...

And what about Sarap? Perhaps I'm wrong saying that the story which I retold in brief in my prevoius reply happened in Kiev '81. Could you please tell as much as you can about the disqualification of Lím and Veselý so that I could compare your story with what I know. My facts are based on the article published in the Russian edition of "Auto, Motor und Sport" in May 2005 - I'll try to find it, if you're interested in reading it.

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 12:28

In Kiev with Lim and Vesely was disqualiefied one more driver, probably Sarap. I must check it and who was second before disqualification.
Alexey, of course I am interested this article in the Russian edition of "Auto, Motor und Sport". If you know I have not problems with Russian.

#278 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 12:59

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 16:12

Alexey, many thanks.

After reading comes to mind one note. According with presently obligatory trends in our countries majority of such articles says that old political state system was very bad. Further we reading about activity of agents of special services, etc., etc. But obout sport and important facts only not much.

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#280 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 16:32

You're quite right - this article is far from perfection, following these biases against our recent past (even though it is written by a person who glorified and praised the Cup of Peace and Friendship in the Soviet press some 20...30 years ago). One could think that everyone who came from the USSR abroad was a KGB agent!!! :mad: The only useful thing about this rubbish is the detailed description of the aforementioned story of the disqualification - it's impossible and stupid to deny that some near-sport intrigues were in the CPF indeed, in spite of its name.

P.S. And, of course, photos are very good, too. The biggest of them, above the title, is taken in Kiev in 1978. Most of the cars in the front rows can be easily identified.

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 13:49

The full results of the 1981 Kiev race (after the disqualification of the top-three drivers) are as follows:

Date: May, 31
Venue: Chayka
Distance: 21 laps (93.660 km)
Drivers started: 29
Drivers finished: 25 (22)

 1	Jiří Moskal					 CZE   MTX 1-03				40’20.44”

 2	Toomas Napa					 USSR  Estonia 20			  +0.22”

 3	Alexandr Medvedchenko		   USSR  Estonia 20			  +16.68”

 4	Bernd Kasper					GDR   SRG MT77

 5	Vladislav Barkovsky			 USSR  Estonia 20

 6	Heinz Siegert				   GDR   SRG MT77

 7	Jiří Červa					  CZE   MTX 1-03

 8	Anatoly Shimakovsky			 USSR  Estonia 20

 9	Raimonds Gudrikis			   USSR  Estonia 20

10	Vladimir Andreev				USSR  Estonia 20

11	Ivars Kruminš				   USSR  Estonia 20

12	Toivo Asmer					 USSR  Estonia 20

13	Józef Kielbania				 POL   Promot 77

14	Sandor Kovacs				   HUN   Kovacs KH02 (?)

15	Viktor Klimanov				 USSR  Estonia 20

16	Nikolay Stanchev				BUL   MTX 1-03

17	Frigyos Turan				   HUN   SRG MT77 (?)

18	Csaba Asztalos				  HUN   Ikarus Easter

19	Edgard Lindgren				 USSR  Estonia-MADI 02

20	Raycho Sergiev				  BUL   MTX 1-03

21	Kalcho Hinov					BUL   MTX 1-03

22	Frieder Kramer				  GDR   SRG MT77

DNF   Alexandr Kucherenko			 USSR  Estonia 19			  8 laps

DNF   Hironim Kochański			   POL   Promot 77			   7 laps

DNF   Jiří Mičanek					CZE   MTX 1-03				3 laps

DNF   Heiner Lindner				  GDR   SRG MT77				1 laps

DQ(1) Václav Lím					  CZE   Avia AE2				compression more than 10.0

DQ(2) Jan Veselý					  CZE   RAF 80				  non-standard camshaft 

DQ(3) Raul Sarap					  USSR  Estonia 20X			 rear tyres wider than 9”
The main questions re this race are concerned with Hungarian and (as usual ;)) Polish drivers. First, what was Kovacs’s car: KH01 (his home-made car) or KH02 (ex-RAF)? Second, what car did Turan have? In 1982, he had the MT77, so I’ve decided to name the same car in the 1981 race but I’m not sure whether it is right.

And why were only two Polish drivers in this race?

The results of the touring cars race:

 1	Petr Samohýl					CZE   Škoda 120L			  43’20.67”

 2	Vitaly Bogatyrev				USSR  Lada 21011			  +2.87”

 3	Miroslav Heřman				 CZE   Škoda 120L			  +3.33”

 4	Alexandr Nuzhdin				USSR  Lada 21011

 5	Pal Gaal						HUN   Lada 21011

 6	Grigory Levitsky				USSR  Lada 2105

 7	Imre Gulyas					 HUN   Lada 21011

 8	Andras Gergel				   HUN   Lada 21011

 9	Sergey Belozerov				USSR  Lada 21011

10	Stefan Jankovic				 ROM   Lada 21011 (?)

11	Mikhail Bogatyrev			   USSR  Lada 21011

12	Vlastimil Tomášek			   CZE   Lada 21011

13	Bogdan Khitsyak				 USSR  Lada 21011

14	Nicu Grigoras				   ROM   Dacia 1300 (?)

15	Jäan Tedre					  USSR  Lada 21011

16	Andras Szabo					HUN   Lada 21011

17	Lyubomir Peshev				 BUL   Lada 21011

18	Georgy Peterneychev			 BUL   Lada 21011

19	Henrik Mandera				  POL   Polski FIAT 125P

20	Richard Kozlovski			   POL   Polski FIAT 125P

21	Khristo Stoychev				BUL   Lada 21011

22	Buerebista Urcu				 ROM   Dacia 1300 (?)

DNF   Nikolay Bakhmurov			   USSR  Lada 21011			  14 laps

DNF   Alexey Grigoriev				USSR  Lada 21011			  9 laps

DNF   Valery Vaišvila				 USSR  Lada 21011			  8 laps (collision with Bakhmurov)

DNF   Ivan Trendafilov				BUL   Lada 21011			  7 laps

DNF   Ladislav Bareš				  CZE   Lada 21011			  1 lap

DQ	Igor Naumchenko				 USSR  Lada 21011
I’m not sure if the cars of Romanian drivers are named correctly – different sources give different info.

What was the story in Schleiz ’81? Was the touring cars race held there? If it was, why weren’t its results counted towards the CPF? I read somewhere that there was a protest against the Polish team, which had a 1.5-litre FIAT’s (it was an exception to the 1.3-litre limit, as their engines were OHV’s meanwhile the other teams had cars with the OHC units). Was this really the reason of that scandal in Schleiz?

Very strange was the choice of the national representatives of the Czechoslovakian team. Despite Samohýl’s brilliant results in the first two rounds, he wasn’t included into the national team and, as a result, the Czechoslovakians were 1st and 3rd in the race but Czechoslovakia was only 4th in the nations cup. What was the reason of such a strange choice? It made possible the Hungarian team to win with 115 points, and the Romanian debutants were second with 90 points!

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 07:02

Hi Alexey,
they made decision just on the base of Kiev training results - there were Samohýl 0,3sec slower than Heøman......
Michal

#283 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 18:54

Then I have to say that the head of Czechoslovakian team either was a very short-sighted person or he wasn't able to learn by his own mistakes :lol: In the first two '81 rounds (Haviřov and Kielce) Samohýl was faster than Heřman, being third in the first round and winning the second.

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 21:24

Alexey

Would it be appropriate to re-title this thread - perhaps something shorter, embracing the thread as it now is? Clearly it has expanded from discussing round 3 at Leningrad in 1966! :D

Perhaps you could make a suggestion?

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#285 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 14:59

The same thought crossed my mind first on September 15, 2003, when I posted here the results of the 1968 CPF round ;) So I think "Cup of Peace and Friendship" (or perhaps "The Cup of Peace and Friendship" - I'm not sure if 'the' is necessary here) would be an appropriate title. I hope that anjakub, sat, IMV and other people being active in this thread would have no objections to this :)

#286 David McKinney

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 15:45

...or even "Peace and Friendship Cup", which is the term used by most English-language publications (at least in earlier times)

#287 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 15:55

English-language publications about it? :eek: I know only the article from 'Autocar' from 1977 - it was called 'Cup of Friendship' there.

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 16:28

Nothing to get excited about, Alexey
Just the occasional mention in passing, every year or so

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 08:33

Only place I recall seeing it mentioned before finding this thread,was the italian'Autosprint'
A wonderful thing is the internet;has found all sorts of racing I never knew existed.
One question I need for my records;were there ever any female drivers in the PFC? Just found one in the current 'Formula Russia'

#290 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 19:18

There was a female driver from East Germany in the early 80s, Helga Heinrich. She raced mainly in hillclimbs, but possibly also took part in a few number of CPF rounds.

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 19:09

This time I’m late in posting here the results of the next Soviet round of the Cup of Peace and Friendship, as I have nearly finished working at the 1982 season. That’s because I have no questions re that race to ask, except the little one about the types of Czechoslovakian MTX single-seaters. But firstly, the race results table.

Cup of Peace and Friendship, round 2
Date: June 6, 1982
Venue: Chayka

F. Easter
Race distance: 21 laps (93.660 km)
Drivers started: 29
Drivers finished: 26

  1  Ulrich Melkus			  GDR  SRG MT77				40’14,89”

  2  Toomas Napa				USSR Estonia 20			  +6.47”

  3  Frieder Kramer			 GDR  SRG MT77				+17.40”

  4  Edgard Lindgren			USSR Estonia-MADI 02

  5  Jan Veselý				 CZE  RAF 80

  6  Alexandr Medvedchenko	  USSR Estonia 20

  7  Jiří Moskal				CZE  MTX 1-03

  8  Pavel Eisenhammer		  CZE  MTX 1-06

  9  Toivo Asmer				USSR Estonia 20

 10  Václav Lím				 CZE  Avia AE2

 11  Hartmuth Thassler		  GDR  SRG MT77

 12  Vladislav Barkovsky		USSR Estonia 20

 13  Vladimir Andreev		   USSR Estonia 20

 14  Ivars Kruminš			  USSR Estonia 20

 15  Viktor Gasenko			 USSR Estonia 20

 16  Christian Grochowski	   POL  MTX 1-03

 17  Viktor Klimanov			USSR Estonia 20

 18  Jacek Jurzak			   POL  JJ 01

 19  Stoyan Apostolov		   BUL  MTX 1-03

 20  Józef Kielbania			POL  Promot 81

 21  Hironim Kochanski		  POL  Promot 81

 22  Jacek Szmidt			   POL  MTX 1-03

 23  Csaba Asztalos			 HUN  Ikarus Easter

 24  Nikolay Stanchev		   BUL  MTX 1-03

 25  Kalcho Hinov			   BUL  MTX 1-03

 26  Petko Petkov			   BUL  MTX 1-03

DNF  Wolfgang Günther		   GDR  SEG III				 19 laps

DNF  Frigyos Turan			  HUN  SRG MT77				 6 laps

DNF  Raimonds Gudrikis		  USSR Estonia 20			   1 lap
Group A2
Race distance: 21 laps (93.660 km)
Drivers started: 28
Drivers finished: 23

  1  Alexey Grigoriev		   USSR Lada 21011			  43’45,30”

  2  Nikolay Bakhmurov		  USSR Lada 21011			  +0.30”

  3  Vlastimil Tomášek		  CZE  Lada 21011			  +37.85”

  4  Petr Samohýl			   CZE  Škoda 120L

  5  Mikhail Bogatyrev		  USSR Lada 21011

  6  Adolf Fešárek			  CZE  Lada 21011

  7  Evgeny Molchanov		   USSR Lada 21011

  8  Ladislav Bareš			 CZE  Lada 21011

  9  Pal Gaal				   HUN  Lada 21011

 10  Nicu Grigoras			  ROM  Dacia 1300

 11  Yury Katsay				USSR Lada 21011

 12  Andras Gergel			  HUN  Lada 21011

 13  Imre Gulyas				HUN  Lada 21011

 14  Ivan Ivanov				BUL  Lada 21011

 15  Andras Szabo			   HUN  Lada 21011

 16  Ditmar Isensee			 GDR  Lada 21011

 17  Lyubomir Peshev			BUL  Lada 21011

 18  Georgy Geradzhiev		  BUL  Lada 21011

 19  Georgy Peterneychev		BUL  Lada 21011

 20  Horst Kornacker			GDR  Lada 21011

 21  Sieghard Sonntag		   GDR  Lada 21011

 22  Victor Nicoara			 ROM  Dacia 1300

 23  Buerebista Urcu			ROM  Dacia 1300

DNF  Jäan Tedre				 USSR Lada 21011			  14 laps

DNF  Vladimir Glushkov		  USSR Lada 21011			  13 laps

DNF  Sergey Dadvani			 USSR Lada 21011			   8 laps

DNF  Alexandr Nuzhdin		   USSR Lada 21011			   3 laps

DNF  Hans-Jürgen Käppler		GDR  Lada 21011			   1 lap

The only thing I’d like to know is about the types of MTX single-seaters. In 1981, Metalex started producing the new wing-cars, MTX 1-06. So the question is as follows: what type of MTX did Moskal and Eisenhammer drive in the Kiev event? Going by the article in Czechoslovakian “Automobil” (November 1982), Moskal most likely was at the wheel of the very first MTX 1-03, although extensively modernized. And what about Eisenhammer? In the last rounds of the 1982 CPF, he drove the 1-06 – did he have the same car in the beginning of the season?

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 05:10

Eisenhammer raced MTX 1-06 whole saison. I mean that Ikarus of Astalosz is in fact german SRG MT77.

#293 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 05:57

Definitely it was - this have been discussed in this thread earlier ;)

#294 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 16:27

The 1983 Cup of Peace and Friendship, round 1

Date: June, 5
Venue: Chayka
Circuit length: 4.460 km

F. Easter
Distance: 22 laps (98.120 km)
Drivers started: 29
Drivers finished: 23

   1  Václav Lím				  CZE   Avia AE3				  41’27.56”

   2  Bernd Kasper				GDR   SRG MT77				  +14.63”

   3  Jiří Červa				  CZE   MTX 1-06				  +30.42”

   4  Toivo Asmer				 USSR  Estonia 20

   5  Edgard Lindgren			 USSR  Estonia-MADI 02

   6  Jacek Szmidt				POL   MTX 1-03

   7  Alexandr Medvedchenko	   USSR  Estonia 20

   8  Raul Sarap				  USSR  Estonia 21

   9  Viktor Gasenko			  USSR  Estonia 20

  10  Vladimir Krivodub		   USSR  Estonia 20

  11  Józef Kielbania			 POL   Promot 81

  12  Boris Eilandt			   USSR  Estonia 20

  13  Jacek Jurzak				POL   JJ 01

  14  Stamo Iliev				 BUL   MTX 1-03

  15  Hartmuth Thassler		   GDR   SRG MT77

  16  Hironim Kochanski		   POL   Promot 81

  17  Ulrich Melkus			   GDR   SRG MT77

  18  Stoyan Apostolov			BUL   MTX 1-03

  19  Jiří Moskal				 CZE   MTX 1-06

  20  Raycho Sergiev			  BUL   MTX 1-03

  21  Frigyos Turan			   HUN   SRG MT77

  22  Csaba Kesjar				HUN   MTX 1-06

  NC  Yury Bambanderov			USSR  Estonia 20

 DNF  Wolfgang Günther			GDR   SEG III				   20 laps

 DNF  Ivars Kruminš			   USSR  Estonia 20				13 laps

 DNF  Toomas Napa				 USSR  Estonia 21M			   12 laps

 DNF  Christian Grochowski		POL   MTX 1-03				  12 laps

 DNF  Alexandr Ponomarev		  USSR  Estonia 20				 8 laps

 DNF  Jan Veselý				  CZE   RAF 80					 5 laps
Group A2
Distance: 22 laps (98.120 km)
Drivers started: 29
Drivers finished: 24

   1  Alexey Grigoriev			USSR  Lada 21011				45’16.19”

   2  Vlastimil Tomášek		   CZE   Lada 21011				+9.90”

   3  Yury Katsay				 USSR  Lada 21011				+45.29”

   4  Vladimir Glushkov		   USSR  Lada 21011

   5  Yury Serov				  USSR  Lada 21011

   6  Ladislav Bareš			  CZE   Lada 21011

   7  Petr Samohýl				CZE   Škoda 120L

   8  Petr Krejbich			   CZE   Lada 21011

   9  Sergey Dadvani			  USSR  Lada 21011

  10  Pal Gaal					HUN   Lada 21011

  11  Nicu Grigoras			   ROM   Dacia 1300

  12  Valery Zakiev			   USSR  Lada 21011

  13  Jaan Tedre				  USSR  Lada 21011

  14  Andras Gergel			   HUN   Lada 21011

  15  Lyubomir Peshev			 BUL   Lada 21011

  16  Georgy Peterneychev		 BUL   Lada 21011

  17  Andras Szabo				HUN   Lada 21011

  18  Hans-Diether Kessler		GDR   Zastava 101

  19  Ditmar Isensee			  GDR   Lada 21011

  20  Constantin Zarnescu		 ROM   Dacia 1300

  21  Ivan Ivanov				 BUL   Lada 21011

  22  Sieghard Sonntag			GDR   Lada 21011

  23  Georgy Geradzhiev		   BUL   Lada 21011

  24  Mikhail Gorbachev		   USSR  Lada 21011

 DNF  Victor Nicoara			  ROM   Dacia 1300				14 laps

 DNF  Vladimir Egorov			 USSR  Lada 21011				 8 laps

 DNF  Hans-Jurgen Käppler		 GDR   Lada 21011				 4 laps

 DNF  Imre Gulyas				 HUN   Lada 21011				 3 laps

 DNF  Stefan Jankovic			 ROM   Dacia 1300				 1 lap
The 1983 event was the last CPF race held at Chayka. After the fatal accident of Polish driver Christian Grochowski the circuit was considered to be too dangerous, and the CPF rounds were transferred to Bikernieki in 1984.

As far as I know, Grochowski’s death was the only fatality in the whole history of the CPF – is it true?

Does anyone have a photo of Jacek Jurzak’s JJ 01, the first monocoque single-seater from Eastern Europe? I have only one pic of this car, being disassembled, without any body panels, so I cannot have a clear idea of its appearance.

I have some doubts as to the correct spelling of the Romanian names, so I would be grateful for corrections – if they need any.

#295 GrzegorzChyla

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 21:07

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
[B]The 1983 Cup of Peace and Friendship, round 1
16 Hironim Kochanski POL Promot 81

you may want to know that he is still active as racing driver! And his son Maurycy has just become polish racing champion.

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
As far as I know, Grochowski’s death was the only fatality in the whole history of the CPF – is it true?

you forgot about Jukk Reintam, Schleiz, 1976...

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev
Does anyone have a photo of Jacek Jurzak’s JJ 01, the first monocoque single-seater from Eastern Europe? I have only one pic of this car, being disassembled, without any body panels, so I cannot have a clear idea of its appearance.

I have send Alexey a photo. I will try to put it up somewhere and I will post a link.
BTW. I found some time ago a short news that Jacek Jurzak died in USA on september 23rd, 2005. I am not sure if it is the same person, but it looks so...

#296 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:07

Originally posted by GrzegorzChyla
you forgot about Jukk Reintam, Schleiz, 1976...

Oh, shame on me! :eek: How could I forget?.. :blush:

Originally posted by GrzegorzChyla
I have send Alexey a photo. I will try to put it up somewhere and I will post a link.
BTW. I found some time ago a short news that Jacek Jurzak died in USA on september 23rd, 2005. I am not sure if it is the same person, but it looks so...

You can use ImageShack to host your photo, I think I am not the only person interested in it :)

#297 GrzegorzChyla

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:30

Originally posted by GrzegorzChyla

I will try to put it up somewhere and I will post a link.


Polish Championship Event, Kielce, 1982:


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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:43

Originally posted by GrzegorzChyla
BTW. I found some time ago a short news that Jacek Jurzak died in USA on september 23rd, 2005. I am not sure if it is the same person, but it looks so...


This is the same...
also look forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33026&postuserid=8677

IIRC Reintam and Grochowski deaths were not only fatalities in the history of the CPF.

Hieronim not Hironim Kochanski

#299 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 19:55

Now I know what JJ 01 looked like, and I have a hazy recollection of seeing this car earlier somewhere in the one of the East European automotive magazines... Wasn't JJ 01 blue?

A very interesting shape of the rear wing - could you please explain what was the reason of making it so complicated? According to the link posted by Andrzej, Jurzak was an aeronautical engineer - he obviously used his experience in this area to design such an unusual structure... :)

Andrzej, thank you for the correction, is 'e' pronounced in this name?

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 20:08

Sorry for my lack of knowledge about East European and Russian racing. I hope I am posting in the correct thread though.

But I am interested to know more about the Formula Easter racing especially at the long old Brno track. As I am a big fan of long tracks like the Nordschleife or the old Spa. So is there any photos of the cars around the Brno track? I can only provide this:

As I bought an old Brno race programme from ebay a few years ago and scanned some photos and put them in here:

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A Ladas VAZ-2101 sits besides Ladislav Bares' Lada VAZ-2101 (no.24) as they lines up for the Socialilist Countries Friendship Cup race


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A Lada Simca by Nett/Müller/Törkel


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The Jaguar of Calderari/Dieudonne and the start of the 1983 Formula Easter race


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Two Formula Easter cars scrapping out


And the programme cover:

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